The Nineteenth Byte

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Some two-dimensional esolangs, such as Forked, and some non-esolangs, such as Python, can sometimes require spaces before lines of code. This isn't very golfy. Also, I'm lazy and writing a 2d lang that needs lots of spaces before code. Your task is to write a tool that makes these languages golfi...

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien how would I print an integer in str? The wiki doesn't tell me the commands

betseg

ligatures break chrome's bar

HyperNeutrino

how does one get the rss feed for a chatroom

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino there is none

HyperNeutrino

Darn

lol there's a feed for starred messages

Does Jelly have a parseInt?

Huh. As I expected, no, but strings work as numbers?

ATaco

00:22

You're looking for "From Decimal", I think.

Ḍ, Convert from Decimal to Integer.

@HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

Ah, yes. (well that doesn't work if strings don't work as numbers, but I found out they do). Thanks anyway!

Golfing Tip: Instead of using [1,2,3], use "123". Strings in Python are lists which can be used like this for math

ATaco

(Jelly doesn't have strings)

[1,2,3] == "123"

HyperNeutrino

Goddammit

I meant to say "Jelly" not "Python". Stupid me!

Also decimal -> integer does not work for strings :P

ATaco

Alternatively, if you know it's going to be a number, you can use V to just eval it.

ASCII-only

@anyone pls help

totallyhuman

00:38

with wut

ono the xstore thingy is empty ;-;

ATaco

00:54

(yeah i nuked it)

Pavel

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Why

totallyhuman

01:06

:o how'd i out-golf a regex solution with no regex

Wheat Wizard

Is there a version of straw poll where you can enter your own answers?

Pavel

@WheatWizard Google forms

Wheat Wizard

Thats too much work

What high level functions are fun for golfing? e.g. join

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard ... how is it too much work

Wheat Wizard

Google forms is a lot of work to set up

ASCII-only

01:10

literally strawpoll with more options that you can just iggnore

@WheatWizard uh no? just new form -> enter question(s) -> done

HyperNeutrino

besides it ends up in your drive which is already clustered AF

yay I matched Jonathan Allan in Jelly without using an identical solution :P

ASCII-only

for you just like question name -> change type of question to user input -> done

@HyperNeutrino then just put it in a subdirectory?

HyperNeutrino

lol

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only You have to pick all these options like background and colors and stuff. Its too much

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard why not leave those as default

seriously who even changes them

HyperNeutrino

01:12

I rarely do

ASCII-only

exactly

totallyhuman

argh short circuiting

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF there aren't docs

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Yeah I just looked at definitions.rb

I figured it out

Conor O'Brien

cool

what are you doing with it ?

MD XF

01:16

polyglotting

totallyhuman

hey anybody know of a short way of generating '0123456789'?

MD XF

@totallyhuman print('0123456789')?

:P

totallyhuman

:P

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A: Implement a whitespace golfer

Python 2, 93 88 bytes lambda s:'\n'.join([i[0],' '*int(i[0])][i[0]in'0123456789']+i[1:]for i in s.split('\n')) Try it online!

the '0123456789' feels so ungolfy

MD XF

Oh it's for my challenge, maybe I should actually be helpful

Conor O'Brien

"".join(map(str,range(10)))

not shorter but eh

@MDXF Can't you do sizeof(struct{char c;}) or even just sizeof(struct{char;})?

ASCII-only

01:21

@ConorO'Brien looks like that gives 0 though instead of 1

Conor O'Brien

o

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien also breaks c++

Conor O'Brien

rip

Wheat Wizard

@totallyhuman str(range(0,10))[1::3]

str(map(chr,range(48,58)))[2::5]

ASCII-only

str(range(0,10))[1::3]
'0123456789'

HyperNeutrino

01:24

lol I tried outgolfing Jonathan Allan and instead just got a rewording of his answer with the same bytecount xD

Wheat Wizard

CMC whats the worst way to make '0123456789' that looks golfy.

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman charcoal grave mode is the best way to do this :P

Conor O'Brien

'0123456789' in a golfing language

2

totallyhuman

well

HyperNeutrino

@WheatWizard ''.join(map(str, map(chr, range(48, 58))))

totallyhuman

01:28

at least i still outgolf the regex answer

HyperNeutrino

Or if you're using Jelly you could just do ØD :P

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard :P

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only Are you still looking to add charcoal to the polyglot

HyperNeutrino

I used that for the first time today :P

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino that doesn't look golfy

@WheatWizard :| too lazy

HyperNeutrino

01:29

@ASCII-only ik :P

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino wheat wizard specifically said "looks golfy"

i.e. ''.join(map(chr, range(48, 58))) maybe

HyperNeutrino

I tried ;_;

oh right

that works

well I'm stupid ._.

''.join(map(str,range(10)))

Destructible Lemon

xd

ASCII-only

__import__("string").digits

10/10 best way

from string import*;print(digits)

totallyhuman

>_>

jonathan suggested str.isdigit() which was way more helpful than all of y'alls advice

ASCII-only

01:33

Charcoal: ”o¶∨e№≔”

Downgoat

@ATaco your sessions aren't encrypted/secure. What backend are you using

ASCII-only

see how golfy it looks plus it's only 9 bytes

@Downgoat some node that some script kiddie wrote :P

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only str(map(chr,[x-49for x in map(ord,__import__("string").lowercase[:10])]))[2::5]

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard +1 nobody can beat this

Downgoat

@ASCII-only @ATaco in that case add secure: true to session({ ... })

@ASCII-only btw do u have time to work on vsl today

ASCII-only

01:35

@WheatWizard you mean ascii_lowercase

Wheat Wizard

Ah yes of course, how could I be so foolish

ASCII-only

python 3: repr(list(map(chr,[x-49for x in map(ord,__import__("string").ascii_lowercase[:10])])))[2::5]

don't forget the list() :P

totallyhuman

repr([chr(i)for i in[x-49for x in[ord(j)for j in __import__("string").ascii_lowercase[:10]]]])[2::5]

listcomp is always shorter than map

:P

ASCII-only

("{}"*10).format(*list(map(chr,[x-49for x in map(ord,__import__("string").ascii_lowercase[:10])])))

Wheat Wizard

@totallyhuman Not always Change x-49 to a map with a lambda

HyperNeutrino

01:40

And you were accusing me of not being golfy? xD

Wheat Wizard

List comps are only better if your using a preexisting function

HyperNeutrino

I thought it was the other way around

ASCII-only

@ATaco halp what is xstore

HyperNeutrino

''.join(eval('['+','.join('chr('+str(x)+')'for x in list(map(int(48).__add__,__import__('itertools').takewhile(int(10).__gt__,range(20))))‌)+']'))

totallyhuman

...wtaf is that

ASCII-only

01:45

@totallyhuman run it and see

totallyhuman

i know what it does

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman it's python

totallyhuman

i know what language it's in

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman code written by zalgo

using an ide where he can only use regex to edit the code

CMP: if you had a server what would you do

also pls someone find a way to do really good text compression in python

do i just use shoco EDIT: wait i only have a 255 char charset available

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only base64 (/s)

ATaco

01:49

@Downgoat How so? I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong.

Downgoat

secure cookie = cookie is sent over https and never on http

Pavel

Does it even use cookies?

totallyhuman

D: how does eat cookie over https

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman Your code is invalid; open returns a file which you need to call read() on

Downgoat

@Pavel idk but in my dev tools i see session cookie

totallyhuman

01:51

Actually, I just realized your previous solution is invalid, because ' '*0 is falsey and that breaks the and/or ternary. Also, the file solution is invalid because you'd have to do open('f','r').read(). — totallyhuman 7 mins ago

ATaco

Oh right, I should probably fix that.

HyperNeutrino

lol

Pavel

ono needs to have annoying warning about cookies

HyperNeutrino

wtf is a series-parallel network

totallyhuman

that was jonathan's code, i never used it

HyperNeutrino

01:52

@Pavel is missing cookie warning like illegal

Pavel

Yes

HyperNeutrino

ah I see :P

ATaco

(Not in Australia!)

It's a European law.

Pavel

Right but you should still have the warning or your site might get blocked in Europe or some shite.

ATaco

ono whatever will i do

It's not targeted at EU users, I'm safe.

ASCII-only

01:54

@ATaco pls what is xstore

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman Wait you were talking about my answer being the outgolfed one the whole time?

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only have a look at it :P

ATaco

Like google drive but shite.

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino yesh

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

ASCII-only

01:54

> shite

Pavel

It was really fun but then ATaco nuked it. ;-;

ASCII-only

what's with all the british english

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino .-. you didn't realize

ATaco

Terrible.

HyperNeutrino

lol I forgot I had a Python answer

ASCII-only

01:55

-1 xstore is bad use dat

ATaco

I should close it, it's a massive security flaw waiting to happen.

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only shite was shat

Pavel

Why'd you nuke the ppcg xstore

totallyhuman

also i accuse of one of the folders to lying to me

it says goatmemes but there's only one

ATaco

@Pavel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ASCII-only

01:57

@Everyone pls think of random string encodings/compression

ATaco

It was 100% memes and didn't need to Survive.

Pavel

Bubblegum

ATaco

Now it's 50% goat memes, and that's okay with me.

Pavel

So it's 50% ordinary memes and 50% gaot memes.

We could have just added goat memes to the old one

ATaco

sǝɯǝɯ ʇɐoƃ

ASCII-only

02:04

@Mego :| how can i get pyshoco to work in python 3

HyperNeutrino

Any help?

Also I've posted 4 questions on Math.SE by now about the OEIS answer-chaining challenge xD

anyway brb o/

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien C's c++ is being annoying

Oh yeah like ASCII-only said

Conor O'Brien

I'm making my own answer and found a neat way to polyglot C/C++

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Q: Kill it With Fire

Disclaimer: The story told within this question is entirely fictional, and invented solely for the purpose of providing an intro. I am an evil farmer, and to drive up the price of wheat in my area, I've decided to burn the fields of all the farmers around me. I would really like to see th...

ascii-art simulation

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino done

ppperry

02:09

Wait, why are you asking about A000084; that bytecount hasn't been used.

no, that wouldn't make sense ...

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien #ifdef __cplusplus?

Conor O'Brien

nope

Pavel

So what are you doing?

HyperNeutrino

Why do people like using different names on PPCG :P

Pavel

?

HyperNeutrino

02:28

WheatWizard -> EpsilonNeighborhoodWatch

ASCII-only -> somebody

(PPCG -> Math.SE)

Conor O'Brien

lol

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino what makes you think i'd only have two names

HyperNeutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nothing, I'm only comparing PPCG vs Math.SE :P

halp I haz question what is "Address Line 1" and "Address Line 2" for mailing addresses

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino quora.com/How-do-I-fill-in-Address-Line-1-and-Address-Line-2

HyperNeutrino

oo thanks

ASCII-only

02:36

@HyperNeutrino pls google is a thing

HyperNeutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ TNB is sometimes faster

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino >_> not really i googled that

HyperNeutrino

lol

it's better though because then you parallelize your workload so you can do something else in the meantime and get others to do your work because they don't realize that you're doing this to them >:-)

great now nobody's going to help me anymore :(

Helka Homba

Anyone know a chrome extension that helps you select text based on word boundaries rather than character boundaries?

ASCII-only

@HelkaHomba character boundaries?

@HelkaHomba so select up to whitespace?

ATaco

02:43

@HelkaHomba ctrl+shift+left/right is your friend.

Helka Homba

Yeah, like that but mouse-friendy

ATaco

That doesn't sound like VIM.

Helka Homba

@ATaco Actually that helps a lot.

ASCII-only

@ATaco [Ctrl+]Shift+Arrow

ATaco

(Yeah but shift+arrow doesn't actually do what the user intended)

totallyhuman

02:49

ook, not sure how taking input by file is somehow shorter

but that's that

HyperNeutrino

._.

totallyhuman

welp

Jul 14 at 16:03, by Downgoat

@totallyhuman quack?

it has 3 stars lol

HyperNeutrino

lol

totallyhuman

wha?

HyperNeutrino

I'm not an SQL programmer.

totallyhuman

02:57

wut?

HyperNeutrino

(SQL programmers use ALL CAPS all the time :P)

(I don't want to "shout" in chatroom)

totallyhuman

:P

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only I need halp with the graph theory thing

Is this valid series-parallel:

    /\
o--o--o
   |
   o

totallyhuman

i dunno what it's supposed to be but it looks like half a dude on a diving board

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

onvm it isn't im dumb I figured out what the tenth one is

Conor O'Brien

03:00

@MDXF sizeof an empty struct varies between C and C++

MD XF

Huh. I'll see what I can do...

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF come on I wanted to go to sleep ;-;

MD XF

Btw, does anyone know why esolangs.org is down?

:P

totallyhuman

     o
    /|\
    / \
o--o---o
   |
   o

MD XF

Also I need more esolangs that don't do anything when they don't recognize commands

Any suggestions?

totallyhuman

03:03

MseShpdCttr

MD XF

I've already used all of mine (short of Triangular which I am not messing with)

@totallyhuman is that on TIO?

HyperNeutrino

@ConorO'Brien Abandon all sleep, ye who golf.

Conor O'Brien

lol

@MDXF please wait until I leave this room ;-;

totallyhuman

> MseShpdCttr (1 step), 25 upvotes: I used this device called MseShpdCtter that takes a lump of dough and shapes and bakes and spits out a mouse shaped cookie.

https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6983/w hy-i-am-leaving-code-golf

lel

MD XF

@totallyhuman Yeah I just remembered lol

ATaco

03:04

I see that link contained /why

totallyhuman

i cannot get rid of it

how does

ATaco

Be real quick like

totallyhuman

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

Why is esolangs.org down

I'm dying

Literally every TIO esolang links to there

ATaco

> Literally Every

Did you Mean: Figuratively

totallyhuman

03:05

sure

HyperNeutrino

> | Literally Every

> Did you Mean: Figuratively

Did you mean: *every *mean

MD XF

what

no

totallyhuman

owat tf

MD XF

I meant, literally every TIO esolang links to there

exactly like I said

HyperNeutrino

wtf -> wtf the f**k?

totallyhuman

03:06

je suis confus

MD XF

-_-

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino no

ATaco

But not every Esolang links to esolangs tho

HyperNeutrino

yes

totallyhuman

recursive acronyms are evil

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/9494/68615

ATaco

03:07

I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym

totallyhuman

no

it stopped being meta when everybody started using it

:P

ATaco

It's still meta.

Just, less impactful.

totallyhuman

ye but it's boring meta

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF There, I broke 11. Don't break 10 for a few mintues :P

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien About to, editing now...

Conor O'Brien

03:08

NO

;-;

can't you wait

totallyhuman

cwap i gotta learn django

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Sure, go to sleep

Conor O'Brien

thanks

HyperNeutrino

I just realized how many upvotes this has gotten: codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/137846/68942

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino no

that one sticking down doesn't attach to both of the endpoints to an existing one

totallyhuman

03:10

@ASCII-only how about this:

7 mins ago, by totallyhuman

     o
    /|\
    / \
o--o---o
   |
   o

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman stick people are not valid nodes sorry

2

totallyhuman

:c

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only Essentially, we can only connect a new vertex to a leaf node, right?

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino we can only join the endpoints of a series parallel graph to the endpoints of another one

i don't know of a better word than endpoints

HyperNeutrino

Ah okay.

(I use leaf)

HyperNeutrino

03:27

@ASCII-only (on the right side of the line) what graph am I missing for 4 edges?

Or as adjacency pairs:

totallyhuman

0/10 no freehand red circle

HyperNeutrino

Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {0 <=> 1}, {1 <=> 2}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {0 <=> 1}, {2 <=> 3}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {1 <=> 3}, {0 <=> 1}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {1 <=> 3}, {0 <=> 3}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {1 <=> 3}, {2 <=> 3}]]
Graph[[{0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 2}, {1 <=> 3}, {2 <=> 4}]]

totallyhuman

is that mathematica

HyperNeutrino

no

that's program output

totallyhuman

it looks like valid mathematica code

HyperNeutrino

03:29

lol

totallyhuman

Mathics: Syntax::sntxf: "Graph[[{0 <=" cannot be followed by "> 1}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}, {0 <=> 1}]]" (line 1 of ".code.tio").

HyperNeutrino

lol

Anyway what graph am I missing ._.

totallyhuman

ask mathematica

:P

HyperNeutrino

opls

if I get this right I could have a (non-hardcoded) answer to OEIS:challenge-99 in about 10 minutes

totallyhuman

hrmm

so basically you're trying to get 4 line segments essentially

that's most of what i understand of that

HyperNeutrino

03:32

yes

except a line segment can't be sticking out of weird places

totallyhuman

i don't see anything else you could do

HyperNeutrino

(any suggestions are fine, I know what's valid and what's not)

totallyhuman

assuming it has to start from that last point

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman what about otherwise?

totallyhuman

well otherwise you have so many others right?

HyperNeutrino

03:34

yeah

totallyhuman

> Let A(n) = #{(i,j): i^2 + j^2 <= n}, V(n) = Pi*n, P(n) = A(n) - V(n); sequence gives values of n where |P(n)| sets a new record.

and people understand this?!

HyperNeutrino

nope

they're not people

/s xD

@totallyhuman any graphs you can create without building off of the graphs to the left?

totallyhuman

oh there can be other ones on the left?

hrm

wait

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino -1 for having horse sticker but not goat :(

HyperNeutrino

lol

@totallyhuman No there can't; those are the ones for A(3). I'm asking my parents now because they're pretty good at math :P

(they don't seem to mind figuring it out so I finally go to sleep cuz it's almost midnight here)

MD XF

03:49

@ConorO'Brien (pls be asleep) I'm at 13 :D

ATaco

I rewrote the Lexer i used for MaybeLater for a different program, felt so good once everything finally worked.

And just as it should, compiled programs are ridiculously large compared to their inputs.

{
  "tokens": [
    {
      "name": "program_1",
      "data": [
        [
          {
            "name": "expression",
            "data": [
              [
                {
                  "name": "assignment",
                  "data": [
                    [
                      {
                        "name": "local",
                        "data": []
                      },
                      {
                        "name": "var",
                        "data": [
                          [

Is a[2] = 3

totallyhuman

i would've thought that was valid but nvm

took me ages to just to find the right tool to make that :P

HyperNeutrino

I found the last graph:

  ___
 /   \
o--o--o
 \___/

Fortunately, it means that I know what the last one is now.

Unfortunately, it is isomorphic to a graph I already have, which means that this must be by two-dimensional topographical equivalence.

This does not violate any of my past findings. It also does not change the value of A(3).

It does, however, mean that my program is entirely off and is completely unrecoverable to complete this task.

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