The Nineteenth Byte

Adám

15:00

Millet Mage

Business Cat

@BusinessCat Or seer

Einkorn Enchanter

But its not even illiterative ...

Business Cat

There's apparently a lot of 's' words for magical people

Mr. Xcoder

@EinkornEnchanter I meant Emmer Druid

Einkorn Enchanter

but, thats also not illiterative?

Mr. Xcoder

15:02

Doesn't really matter ...

Kritixi Lithos

do you mean alliterative?

Mr. Xcoder

You're still WheatWizard for us ·˘·

Mayube

ooh ooh

Maize Magician

Mr. Xcoder

Einkorn Charmcaster

Adám

@Mayube Maize Mage. Say that 3 times quickly.

Mr. Xcoder

15:06

Grain Necromancer

Business Cat

Amaranth Animist

@Adám Say ^ three times quickly

Adám

strawpoll.me/13354072

Business Cat

Woo I was right

Kritixi Lithos

technically somebody could see the results section of the strawpoll and get the answer there

Mayube

oh no I got it wrong

Kritixi Lithos

15:11

someone got it wrong

Mayube

ninja'd

I don't pay attention to stuff like that

silly danes trying to be special snowflakes

Mr. Xcoder

Spelt Sorcerer

I got it right >_>

Kritixi Lithos

it's a ratio of 1:3

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube silly americans trying to tell china to invade north korea

Mayube

chiynah

Mr. Xcoder

15:16

@KritixiLithos Yes, 1/4 got it wrong and 3/4 right

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder try this

Mr. Xcoder

@dzaima Works and gives (()(())())

Mayube

I have a fictional apocalyptic world set in the year 2022 where the riots after Trump's election escalated into all-out civil war, Canada occupied Alaska, and then Russia declared war on Canada over Alaskan territories, China and Russia allied, China funded North Korea's invasion of South Korea, South Korea fell and refugees flooded to Japan, who turned themselves into a defensive power-house, meanwhile Denmark and Norway are assisting Canada, and the EU are invading Russia from the east

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Mr. Xcoder

@Mayube Sounds very accurate.

Mayube

It's based on my complete ignorance of world politics

Mr. Xcoder

15:19

@Mayube I doubt EU will invade Russia though

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder Seems correct. You'll have to add comp/index.html after SOGLOnline/ for SOGLOnline to work :)

Mayube

@Mr.Xcoder it's a reactionary move to assist Canada

Adám

@Mayube Denmark and Norway assisting Canada? With what?

Mayube

@Adám Defense of Alaska

Mr. Xcoder

@dzaima Or you will add two links in your answer :P

caird coinheringaahing

15:20

@Adám snow

5

Mayube

in return, Canada let Denmark keep those islands in the north atlantic

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube you mean greenland?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Mego would like it there

Mayube

that too

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing No there are some disputed areas.

dzaima

15:20

@Mr.Xcoder I could put that on answers where async isn't required

Mr. Xcoder

yeah

caird coinheringaahing

they already own greenland

Adám

@Mayube Denmark and Norway don't have any significant military power.

Mayube

and Norway's helping out because... idk, norway and denmark are probably buddies

well maybe they will in the year 2022

Business Cat

@Mayube Hans island?

Mayube

15:21

in a post US Civil War world

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám I agree with Adám

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Denmark has no significant snow either. Not that Canada needs any. Denmark does have plenty of pork though.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám pigs are almost extinct in canada

Mayube

I know 1 danish word, which is one more than I know in chinese, thai, korean or finnish

Adám

@Mayube Tell!

Mayube

15:22

Ske

Means spoon, or so I've been told

Adám

@Mayube spoon or happen?

:38555598 Yeah, it's pronounced [skaysharp]

Mayube

one of my dev partners on a personal project who is danish goes by the username Ske

caird coinheringaahing

so he's called spoon?

Mayube

yep

as a result our dev team is called BentSpoon

caird coinheringaahing

why bent?

Adám

15:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's a normal Danish first name.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Because BendingSpoons is already taken

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám caird isn't a normal english first name

Mayube

because we were following the convention of Adjective-Noun, and we happened to have a picture of a bent spoon

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube I have to ask. Why did you have a picture of a bent spoon?

Kritixi Lithos

why not?

Mayube

15:26

because one time Ske was being lazy on one of our projects, and we threatened him with it

Mr. Xcoder

a bent spoon containing snow

Business Cat

No relation to that magician who bends spoons? I forget his name - Uri something I think

Mayube

magician who bends spoons.. aka every amateur magician ever?

Kritixi Lithos

Uri Gagarin :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube Get back to work!

Mayube

15:27

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's exactly the picture we used

Business Cat

@BusinessCat Uri Geller

caird coinheringaahing

its the first google search

and about a pharmacy award

Mayube

caird coinheringaahing

is that a user here?

Mayube

not that I know of

caird coinheringaahing

15:29

skeptics.com.au/2015/11/24/nz-bent-spoon-to-pharmacy-council

and again, only 2 site mods here!

Adám

Det kan ske at det kan knive når han gafler dem.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám
It can happen that it can knives when he forks them.

Downgoat

GREAT NEWS: JS optional chaining was just merged :O :D

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing It can happen that it is tight when he fetches them.

Mr. Xcoder

@Downgoat What's that great?

caird coinheringaahing

15:31

@Adám google translate is brilliant!

Mayube

On the downside my job isn't the most exciting work in the world, but on the upside I now have an indepth knowledge of US and UK telephone systems

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube not gonna ask, not gonna ask, not gonna... what do you mean?

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Try Det kan ske at det kan knibe når han gafler dem.

Mayube

hook, line and sinker ;)

@cairdcoinheringaahing I work in Telephony

I develop phone systems

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám Oh no: "It may happen that it can bother when he forks them.". This is what it gave.

caird coinheringaahing

15:32

ninja'd

Mayube

And by that I mean I mostly develop a front-end configuration UI for Asterisk, an open-sourced PBX solution

Mr. Xcoder

Convert this (on Google Translate), from Gujarati to English: ફેસ ચથુલહુનો ક્રોધ!

Adám

CMegaChallenge: Given a string, detect whether it is in Norwegian or Danish.

2

Mr. Xcoder

cloud.google.com/translate/docs

That's a starter ^

Mayube

@Adám Braingolf: 2r Outputs 1 for Danish, 0 for Norwegian

under very rare circumstances, outputs 2. This summons Swedish Cthulhu to devour the world

Mr. Xcoder

15:41

@Adám lambda n:[0,1]['Adám'in n].

Mayube

@Mr.Xcoder surely you could just do lambda n:'Adám' in n?

Mr. Xcoder

Yep, but that's boring

Mayube

mine just uses python's RNG to generate a random float from 0 to 2 (inclusive), floors it, then outputs it

there is a > 0 probability it will generate exactly 2, which floors to 2

CMC: Randomly output 0 (with a 49.5% probability), 1 (with a 49.5% probability) or 2 (with a 1% probability)

rough probabilities, 0 and 1 should be evenly distributed, 2 should be roughly 1 in 100 probability

Mr. Xcoder

import random
print([[1]*99+[0]*99+[2]*2]][random.randint(200)])

Sorry. This one is valid:

import random
print(([1]*99+[0]*99+[2]*2)[random.randrange(200)])

Adám

@Mayube APL: .495 .99⍸?0

Business Cat

15:52

@Mayube CJam, 12 bytes: {XT}99*YY]mR (Tester)

Mr. Xcoder

Bye, gotta learn Pyth

Random integer in Pyth?

@isaacg Random integer in Pyth?

Business Cat

> O <int> If A > 0, random int below A. If A == 0, random float 0 to 1. If A < 0, random.seed(-A).

Mr. Xcoder

@BusinessCat Danke

@Mayube Pyth, 24 bytes: @++*[2)2*[1)99*[0)99O200

Dennis

@Mayube 200X’:99

Leaky Nun

@Dennis nice

Business Cat

16:11

Can't you do ³Ḥ instead of 200?

Adám

CMC: 50% chance of 0, 50% chance of a random 0<float<1.

Uriel

@Adám APL: (?0)×.5⍸?0 (untested)

Adám

@Uriel .5⍸?0 is the same ?0 in ⎕IO←0.

Mayube

@Adám if my language can't support floats can I output 1? :P

Adám

@Mayube Then output a random int in its strictly positive int range.

Business Cat

16:20

What if the language does support floats but doesn't have a traditional 0 to 1 random?

Mayube

@Adám D: but it's int range is python's int range

Business Cat

Can I do like random 1-100 divided by 100?

Adám

@BusinessCat Yeah.

Uriel

@Adám so (?0)×?2?

Adám

@Uriel Yes, but you can golf that even more. I want 3 chars.

HyperNeutrino

16:21

from random import*;print randint(0,1)*random()

apparently edits aren't in place on mobile >.<

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Q: Generate a box based on user input

Your task is to create a box based upon user input. Let's say I inputted 2. The box generated would look like: -- -- As in, two by two long. Or, if I entered 7: ------- | | | | | | | | | | ------- So, seven by seven. Notice the box generated above has 5 bars up and seve...

Uriel

@Adám ??2. if ?2 is 1, it would result in 0, otherwise in ?0.

Business Cat

@Adám CJam, 14 bytes: 2mr100dmr100/*

Adám

@Uriel Yup.

Einkorn Enchanter

@NewMainPosts That was fast. gj

Business Cat

16:23

Oh wait, apparently CJam can do random floats

Golfed to 8 bytes: 2mr1dmr*

Mayube

a customer using a windows 10 laptop just asked if they can store our device config files that we send them on a floppy disk

the files range from 90 bytes to 110 bytes, so if they wanted to they could store them on punchcards

Adám

@Mayube APL had a significant advantage in the punch card days.

@Mayube How about tweeting them or sending them by sms?

HyperNeutrino

carrier pigeons

totallyhuman

hi

Business Cat

Question: In my language, the multiplication operator is overloaded for (string, string). What should the result of that be? My best idea currently is Cartesian product of the characters

HyperNeutrino

16:34

That's probably a good option. What's multiplication for lists?

Adám

@BusinessCat How do you do cartesian product of numbers?

Business Cat

@HyperNeutrino Cartesian product

Adám

@BusinessCat Then yes, same thing for strings.

Business Cat

@Adám You'd have to make them ranges first I guess

(If that's what that means)

HyperNeutrino

@BusinessCat I'd keep the overloading consistent between iterables in that case then, so same for strings.

Business Cat

16:37

So the final result should be a list of 2-character strings?

HyperNeutrino

@BusinessCat Either that, or you could do this (In Jelly, strings don't exist)

Business Cat

Well in Jelly that basically is a list of 2 character strings

HyperNeutrino

Basically, yes. Depends; what's the main purpose of the language?

Adám

@BusinessCat What about other cartesian operators, like cartesian difference or cartesian sum?

Business Cat

@HyperNeutrino Golfing

@Adám Not even sure what those are

HyperNeutrino

16:49

@BusinessCat Probably strings would work better then, idk

Kritixi Lithos

@BusinessCat I see the PPCG effect has taken over you as well

HyperNeutrino

Wait a sec, not a single Canada Day question was asked? :o

totallyhuman

mm bet there's gonna be an American one though

dzaima

@HyperNeutrino There was, but it was closed. I quite liked it too

Business Cat

Wow. I was vaguely planning to do one but I'm not good at coming up with challenges

dzaima

16:53

@HyperNeutrino codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/127588/…

Adám

@BusinessCat Try it online!

HyperNeutrino

Oh okay.

Einkorn Enchanter

Second poll

Business Cat

@Adám Oh I see. What I was referring to was the Cartesian concatenation. There'll be a command to do that sort of thing with any arbitrary operator

HyperNeutrino

I mean, 150 years of confederation, and not a single challenge about it? :P

Business Cat

16:58

Guess there's not enough Canadians active on PPCG :(

Adám

Hm, how about a 4th of July fireworks code-golf?

HyperNeutrino

That was something I had in mind too :P

I have an idea for a ascii-art challenge involving creating fireworks based on user input, but I don't have the specifics yet.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino I'll work on something

HyperNeutrino

And sandboxing it would cause it to be posted at least 2 days from now which would make it too late. :P

@Adám Okay yay ^-^

The next event for me that's decently close is my birthday but there's no need to make a challenge about that :P

totallyhuman

well beta decay got away with that ;)

Downgoat

17:02

C+ question: is there anyway to do macro of qulalified member?: #define foo(x) Goat::x example: foo(goat) == Goat::goat

HyperNeutrino

> C+

I made a new language yay

It's not a golfing language this time :P

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Then why‽

HyperNeutrino

@Adám I want to try to make an actual language with normal people syntax

Adám

@HyperNeutrino There are not enough already?

Business Cat

Readability is overrated

HyperNeutrino

17:04

And I was too lazy to figure out how to make lists work properly so I just made the comma traverse up one node on a tree, which sets the node back to the list head :P

@Adám Practice :P Don't know for what though :P

totallyhuman

show example code pls

HyperNeutrino

btw lang.py is very borked right now because I haven't figured out how to do thing yet, so run interpreter.py and type in each line of code separately.

Mr. Xcoder

The most improtant question of them all @HyperNeutrino: How to print "Hello World" in C+?

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder carefully

Mr. Xcoder

What's the code, I meant @HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

17:13

@Mr.Xcoder I don't know C+...

totallyhuman

what is C+?

HyperNeutrino

it's a type of soft drink

totallyhuman

there's C and C++ and C# but what is C+

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Sorry, In your language

totallyhuman

>_> the c family is weird

Adám

17:14

@HyperNeutrino How about this? given dimensions, animate (or output each step, or a list of steps) a sky of thos dimensions. In each step, every sky cell has 1/1000 chance of becoming a *, and in the step after, the 8 surrounding chars become \|/--/|\ (if they don't become stars.)

HyperNeutrino

@Adám Good idea. I like that. Maybe also given the probability instead of hardcoded?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Sure.

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder There is no printing yet; there's nothing but literals, operators, assignment, and identifiers. No functions even :P

So it's just "Hello World", 'Hello World', """Hello World""", or '''Hello World'''

wait the multiline strings don't actually support multiline because regex >.<

that's what I get for building my tokenizer on regex I guess :P

dzaima

now I want to make a normal language D:

HyperNeutrino

lol

Oh well, multiline strings are overrated

actually now I still want to implement them >.<

Okx

17:27

@Mayube I finally got around to making that heresayliesslander.surge.sh

HyperNeutrino

> heresay

Isn't it heresy?

Okx

oops

Business Cat

hearsay is a thing

Okx

heresyliesslander.surge.sh

better? :P

HyperNeutrino

yes +1 :P

> Deploy anything in six keystrokes

> There’s only six keystrokes between you and deployment: Type surge and hit enter in your project directory to get it online immediately.

That's actually 11 keystrokes.

Because you have s down, s up, u down, u up, r down, r up, g down, g up, e down, e up, [enter] :P

Okx

17:32

well actually it's way more than that

surge<ENTER><ENTER><BACKSPACE*20>heresyliesslander.surge.sh<ENTER>

HyperNeutrino

Well that's because you had to change the domain :P

Mr. Xcoder

Around ~50 I supoose

HyperNeutrino

Besides, instead of [BACKSPACE*20], you could do [ALT][BACKSPACE*3] if you're on Linux (I think that's true for most distros)

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino ctrl+backspace here (windows)

HyperNeutrino

@LeakyNun interesting, okay.

ctrl-backspace just does a single backspace in the terminal :P

@Adám chat + formatting = death :P

But from what I saw, yeah that looks good :)

Adám

17:36

@HyperNeutrino How is this? hastebin.com/silacidaqa.vbs

@all Please review ^. Can't wait for sandbox.

Okx

vbs? visual basic?

HyperNeutrino

It tries to guess what syntax highlighting to use :P

Okx

it has a strange tendancy to use vbs, even for me

Adám

@Okx It should have guessed APL due to the ×.

HyperNeutrino

this looks nicer

Okx

17:39

i mean you could've just clicked 'view as just text' but ok

HyperNeutrino

but word wrap

Okx

true

HyperNeutrino

also looks good to me +1

Okx

error cannot upvote own thingys

HyperNeutrino

no I mean the challenge :P

though you might want to specify that the code should not output the frame @Adám

dzaima

17:39

how would the probability be given? 0-1? 0-100?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino frame for clarity

@dzaima Yeah.

HyperNeutrino

@Adám specification for clarity

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Should it say frame for clarity only?

HyperNeutrino

@Adám that would be a bit more clear in my opinion.

Uriel

@dzaima taken as a base 2i semi integer

dzaima

17:43

why does base 2i exist.

Adám

@Uriel Yup, or as a character in 128th.

HyperNeutrino

Take it in base i+1

dzaima

challenge idea: convert between bases, including imaginary ones

mathematica would win tho

Uriel

I'm having hard time trying to decide whether numbers in my language will be inserted as quarter imaginary base numerals, roman numerals, hebrew numerals or egyptian numerals. any ideas?

totallyhuman

what i thought was a interesting quirk in my language actually lengthens code by a third

Uriel

17:46

bijective base e was also an option

totallyhuman

rip

dzaima

@Uriel make it different different for each function

Downgoat

@Adám cheddar: random() outputs a random number if norwegian and outputs a random number if danish

Adám

@Downgoat It should actually be fairly detectable:

Comparison of Norwegian Bokmål and Standard Danish

Danish and Norwegian Bokmål (the most common standard form of written Norwegian) are very similar, but significant differences between them exist. The languages are mutually intelligible, with the primary differences being in pronunciation and in the sound system as a whole. == Mutual intelligibility == Generally, speakers of the three largest Scandinavian languages (Danish, Norwegian and Swedish) can read each other's languages without great difficulty. This holds especially true of Danish and Norwegian. The primary obstacles to mutual comprehension are differences in pronunciation. Dani...

@HyperNeutrino I need to go shopping. If I post now, can you answer questions and edit the OP as necessary? I trust your judgment.

HyperNeutrino

@Adám Alright, I can do that. Thanks :)

Adám

17:53

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Q: 4th of July fireworks

Given, in any way and order, dimensions (in whichever order you want) a probability (in whatever format you want) number of iterations (you may choose whether to count the initial state or not) do one of the following: animate, or output each step of, or return a list of states of a space...

code-golf string ascii-art matrix animation

HyperNeutrino

Fun Fact: If you do 1 = 2 in my language, then the literal 1 now evaluates to 2 :P

@Adám yay nice :)

Not So Fun Fact: If you do a = [1, 2] in my language, then the string "a@1" will evaluate to 1. I'm trying to figure out how to fix this without bad code design and without breaking the eval operator.

dzaima

why is that not fun?

Business Cat

What does @ do?

HyperNeutrino

@BusinessCat It's the get_item operator :P

@dzaima Because it's a bug >.<

dzaima

make it a feature

HyperNeutrino

17:56

but it's annoying

Also if you do a = [1, 2] without doing anything before that, then "6@1" will also evaluate to 1 >.<

dzaima

what

HyperNeutrino

When the list [1, 2] is created, it gets an ID from the UUID generator in the parser. :P

dzaima

why 6?

HyperNeutrino

1 is a, 2 is =, 3 is list, 4 is 1, and 5 is 2.

And 0 is HEAD (which is the root of the tree)

a = [1, 2] becomes this:

HEAD:0
|    operator:[Node content = = type = <class 'str'>]:2>0
|    |    item:[Node content = <identifier:a[<class 'str'>]> type = <class 'tokenizer.Token'>]:1>2
|    |    item:[Node content = list type = <class 'str'>]:3>2$!
|    |    |    item:[Node content = <number:1[<class 'sympy.core.numbers.One'>]> type = <class 'tokenizer.Token'>]:4>3
|    |    |    item:[Node content = <number:2[<class 'sympy.core.numbers.Integer'>]> type = <class 'tokenizer.Token'>]:5>3

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