Oh, duh, sorting.

@ZacharyT Averages?

Yeah, I'm updating my list to include sorting first ... (How did I forget THAT)

(I'll have FF extend the number of commands, that way if I forgot something really essential, I can add it costing only one byte)

XD you can log into GitLab with GitHub account

Oh, SHOOT, maximum and minimum. I feel stupid.

@zachary t how about the quartiles?

though you only need to add two more quartiles, because max, min, and median are already there

I've already got my bytes, I'll definitely add those to my FF extensions.

k

maybe you can condense some of the commands that operate on different datatypes

Bitwise negation not working on lists, can be merged with minimum, for example

I've merged reverse for datatypes (sortof, reverses numbers in addition to strings and arrays)

bitbucket.org/zacharyjtaylor/my-language/src/…

How do those monads look?

just do a bunch of merging for anything like that

What do you suggest I merge? (I want things to make some sense)

I don't know... but it would save bytes if you change errors into just different behaviour

do you have a +1 to every element?

0x45 - Pop ⍵; Push a random item from ⍵ [Does not vecify]
0x46 - Pop ⍵; Push randint(1,⍵)

easily merged?

also maybe it should be randint(0, ⍵)

Nah, 1 will be the default Index Origin.

well, if you want to generate a random bit, it will be annoying

One extra byte. Argument 2, then decrement.

I might modify it so you can do 00 46 (that way descending will work as well)

do you have a push 1 if truthy else 0 command?

also, you can merge 45 and 46?

Yeah, 3B

I have two 6C & 6D atoms... lol

Lua's RnG makes me sad.

How so?

If a randomseed is not specified, a pre-defined machine-specific one is used.

Do any other languages do that?

kind of?

Languages like Java, (I think Python), and such will use a different seed each execution if one isn't specified.

is it always the same seed?

But Lua always uses the same seed.

WTF

>.<

this is the kinda thing I expect from php

(In some implementations, this is fixed, but in official implementations, this is not the case)

Well ... PHP ... we sort of expect it from PHP.

On my computer, print(math.random()) always produces 0.001251220703125

The normal work around is to use math.randomseed(os.time()), but that still causes a 1 second space in which re-running the program will use the same seed.

Because Lua has no way to get the time in any higher precision than Seconds, although you can get the delta time in MS.

>_> why don't you use os.whateveritistogetmilliseconds. oh I got ninja'd

math.randomseed(os.time() * os.time() + os.time()) or something overly complicated?

@ATaco >_> this is bizarre

That still only offers second precision.

Because across all executions within the same second, will have the same value.

I have found a solution to this problem however!

Tables and functions use a Unique ID that is not generated within lua, and uses some other Undocumented RnG.

Seems ... hacky.

Very hacky.

My particular hack is math.randomseed(os.time() + tonumber("0x"..tostring({}):match("table: (.*)")))

I use os.time() because the range of numbers that a table's UID can be is (relatively speaking), small.

Yeah, is it just me, or does Lua seem a lot like JS for some reason?

JS was inspired partially by Lua.

Oh ... prototype OOP.

Lua kindof has prototype OOP.

It has Metatables, which are worse.

I've achieved equivalent results via a function between Lua and JS.

function point(x,y)
  obj = {}
  obj.x = x
  obj.y = y
  return obj
end

Lua is still my favourite language for rapidly prototyping though.

nope python 4 lyfe

function point(x,y) {
var obj = {};
obj.x = x;
obj.y = y;
return obj;
}

Anyone use a static lang for rapid prototyping? Or is that not a thing?

Python: fast prototyping but still has random without hacks

nah tbh I don't even know what prototyping mrans

I use JavaScript and/or Python and/or D for rapid prototyping.

local obMeta = {}
obMeta.__index = obMeta

function obMeta:constructor(x,y)
	self.x = x
	self.y = y
end

function obMeta:__tostring()
	return "x: "..self.x.." y: "..self.y
end

function Obj(...)
	local ob = setmetatable({}, obMeta)
	if ob.constructor then
		ob:constructor(...)
	end
	return ob
end

print(Obj(3, 4))

@DestructibleLemon Rapid Prototyping means producing fast dirty low quality code to try out ideas or solve a simple problem.

python ftw then

Yeah. My main lang there is D, to be honest.

@ZacharyT Do you mean a statically typed language? Does Nim count?

Looks like Python but compiles to C and is statically typed

Yeah, I think Nim would count.

I haven't used it as much as I'd like as I've been distracted by JavaScript projects, but from what I tried it seems fast to write and fast to run, with compile time error detection. I'm definitely going to be using it more once I get round to it

(although it's not for tab users...)

What are tab users?

People who prefer tabs to spaces

Let me guess, nim hates tabs>

It has a few unusual ways of avoiding errors, like making variable names nearly case insensitive, and forbidding tabs. Won't be popular with everyone...

Forces you to indent (like python) but won't let you do it with tabs. I use an editor that converts tabs to spaces and it doesn't bother me too much

Right now I'm downloading about 50 GB of Arch Linux

(still, sucks for code golf)

I use Lua because the syntax only sometimes matters.

(And it's always when it's least golfy)

1end doesn't work because of hex, ... that's just ... odd.

do
	local p = print
	function print(...)
		p(...)
		return print
	end
end

print "Hello."
      "Is it me you're looking for?"

Wat.

getmetatable("").__call = print

("Hello,")"World" -- PERFECTLY VALID
"Hello,"("World") -- WRONG, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!!

Ruby > Lua

Lua > Ruby

how?

Give me a major software written in Lua

Lua was released 1993, Ruby was released 1995. Lua > Ruby

@Mendeleev Cry Engine

seriously, GitHub, Discourse, Shopify, etc. are written in Ruby

@ATaco That's not written in it. It just uses Lua for scripting

A majority of it is further written in Lua.

Is it possible there may be more than one useful programming language?

Stop arguing. Jelly is superior.

Both languages are pretty ugly really.

But we love them.

Most useless CAPTCHA

Most easily OCR'd captcha

Also, that's a lot of effort to prove me wrong.

I believed you. I just wanted to learn more about it

I was just on that page

That's fair, it's a fairly nice engine, if a bit poorly optimised.

The CAPTCHA might be measuring the typing speed rather than being based solely on getting the number right

that is not assuring

That's essentially the same idea behind the modern "Checkbox" Captcha.

They should have CAPTCHAs with simple floating point addition

@trichoplax but then the verifier would fail

Prove you are human: 0.1 + 0.2

Well, if the answer is correct, you know they're a bot.

floating point addition: something stringly typing can be useful for...

@ATaco make a bot that answers ans+0.01

OK, here's a random question: Why is it impossible to buy a GPU for the real MSRP? a GTX 1070 should cost 400$, but no matter how hard I search, I can only find places charging six, seven, eight, even up to nine hundred for them. It doesn't make sense

I think that might be called the hdmi effect

I don't know. it should be anyway

@DestructibleLemon You mean where some places charge like 30-40$ for a high end HDMI cable that's literally the exact same thing?

@DJMcMayhem Hdmi effect: thing gets its price inflated because technology is expensive magic

Make a Captcha that: is randomly called Syncronously/ASyncronously, and randomly fails with no concernable reason. That'll really piss off people trying to write bots.

@ATaco s/trying.*$//

What does the s/... even mean??

Well if it's something like account creation, it won't really bother them for long.

@ZacharyT Sed, it's Regex match and replace.

Ohhhhhh

@ATaco same for bots?

@DJMcMayhem Blame the miners

So is there anywhere I could get a GTX 1070 for <500$?

Brick and mortar store?

Hmmm. I was always under the impression that those were way more, but I guess I can give it a shot

I have an idea for a language but I need some help designing it. Anyone care to join me?

Stop. Just, stop. Please.

This'll get trashed.

→ 13 messages moved to Trash

Yup

yep

The kittens were fine. But then it became excessive after the kittens.

sorry guys

@DJMcMayhem You should have left the kittens

They should allow a room owner to un-move messages, just in case something was accidentally trashed. In my opinion, that is.

Also annoyingly enough, my laptop's WiFi won't connect so I can't work on my chess chat bot >.<

O_o

plug in a cable

@HyperNeutrino make an arimaa option as well!

o good idea

but wait I think my dad messed up something when trying to make my computer not be allowed on WiFI after 22h30; I think he was bad at time

I'm going to mirror ALL the Arch Linux

@HyperNeutrino how

how did he do that?

explain please

router has table of allowed MAC addresses

@HyperNeutrino At least your parents are competent enough to try!

my dad's a programmer lol

@HyperNeutrino Oh. thanks

@HyperNeutrino You lucky duck.

My dad's a programmer, but I just redid the home network, so he knows very little about it

I never had an internet curvew

oh whoops I didn't plug the ethernet switch into the router lol

Such as my school lol. They tried banning cmd.exe but this works as a batch file :P

darnit cannot remember crosh commands rip

my dad blocks me from the internet but doesn't know he is doing it

uh what

because he put it on a while ago

but he never turned it off

@HyperNeutrino I did tell him but he doesn't believe

@HyperNeutrino MAC spoofing ftw

^ yay

oh wait no chat commands because idiocy

why would they disable .exe s

doesn't that break things

I mean except for a few necessary ones.

Are JavaScript lists a lot faster than Python lists, by any chance?

oh ok

What do you mean by faster?

not sure, but the same code, which I have, that builds a list of primes, gets me them a lot faster in JS than in Python

Your algorithm might be more optimized for one of the languages, but it may also depend on how you're running them.

I could netboot my school laptop into Arch Linux, then mount my flash drive (tiny thing) as root, do a switch_root, and then use Arch

I could even sleep and stuff

Beauty of it was that there was no trace on disk

I like how we are all freely discussing how we are getting around our schools' restrictions.

That's why I want the USB distro.

@HyperNeutrino Here's the JS code, it's basically the same in Python: github.com/stestoltz/cQuents/blob/master/interpreter.js#L10

Hence all the restrictions.

yeah but schools restriction is: "NO HAX!!!!111111!!!1" disables cmd

@ZacharyT just install Arch on your flash drive like you would on any hard drive

@HyperNeutrino I'm I was homeschooled, so I can do w/e :P

@ZacharyT Just finished up a summer course at a local community college, I had Matlab R2016a and Maple 2016 on my drive, so that was cool

@StepHen Welcome to the club! :)

@StepHen Assuming your parents are actually intelligent, you lucky duck.

But it was an English course so I didn't really get to use them... :P

@DestructibleLemon lol true

is it just me, or does it seem like lots of PPCGers (of hs age) are/were homeschooled?

I have another way to get around my school's restrictions.

It's called bring my laptop to school and use it.

@DJMcMayhem Higher than average percentage :P

Because I'm fed up with using Windows, especially whatever version my school uses.

Yeah, my school has no CS course other than one lead by the most incompetent teacher ever.

I think they still haven't upgraded to Windows 7 yet.

Better than our sh*t school ... WE USE WINDOWS 8!

I've heard... Bad things about our ICS course. :P

Ew win8 is bad

At least stick to 7 because of Aero or use 10 because why not

also mac spoof not work rip

I took the AP Comp Sci Exam alone, hoping to get a 5 so I get cred for doing absolutely nothing :p\

@ZacharyT s/ 8// and you have basically the same thing tbh

it's all windows

What do you mean by 5

Wait, is there any reason ya'll can't just bring in your own laptops and mess around with them during comp class?

@DJMcMayhem You, me, Riker and Stephen at least

does windows 8 randomly demand rebooting?

Uh what Why did it reset my mac address

spoof did not spoof

Highest score possible on AP tests.

@HyperNeutrino well

Oh you were talking about AP12 test

@ZacharyT Took that exam in May, it was so stinking easy

you have to disable internet connection while keeping wifi power on

on mac, you have to hold alt while clicking the wifi thing

@StepHen Yeah. Absolute same. I really wish they still had Comp Sci AB, that looked actually challenging.

also it only works when you're connecting. trying to output the address doesn't display the new one

(@Least more than CSA)

I just use sudo ifconfig wlan0 hw ether [insert mac address]

@ZacharyT My school district accidentally signed me up for AP Computer Science Principles, barely got that switched in time :P

Blech.

then it is the first thing that shows up

@StepHen What is that?

usually

@Mendeleev It's like general computer stuff and ethics and whatnot instead of actual comp sci

it doesn't work when wifi is on so i need to shut off the interface first

@Mendeleev So you can't get out of any college courses with it (usually)

@StepHen Oh

but then when the first connection attempt fails, it resets it

Yeah. Our school district is complete crap. They think they're the best in the state on test scores ... well ... they don't offer Alg I to 7th graders. Seriously. dumb

what is alg I, is it hs course?

Algebra 1.

@StepHen ew sounds gross. what's computers without a bit of trolling other people? code-trolling :P

@HyperNeutrino It can count for HS credits, but if you're good at math you can take it in 6th, 7th, 8th grade

The primary school I used to go to tried to make kids mandatorially make donations now

@DestructibleLemon I thought that was what taxes were for 0.o

I suppose making sure only the smartest students take the test is one way to make sure the school's scores are highest in the state :P

it mostly worked I think

@StepHen taxes and school payments too, I thought

also they like getting the kids to do jobs for them

@StepHen well rip, I wasn't allowed to take any hs courses in grade 8-. it took me like 3 months just to skip grade 9 math and get them to not be dumb. I think I was one of the last people allowed to skip and then they stopped letting people skip

Well I give up trying, Chromebooks are fine I guess.

@ZacharyT I took Saxon, so Geometry was in Alg I and Alg II, and then I took Advanced Math which is Trig and Pre Clac, and then I spent 3 years slogging through Calc, just to (I think) flop the AP Test :P joys of not having a math teacher

We USED to allow 7th grade Alg I. But our sh*t school had to rearrange.

CMC: What was your SAT/ACT score if you took it?

I took the ACT and got--wait, aren't we not allowed to share our scores publicly?

@ZacharyT so... basically they brag about the fact that they only allow kids that already figured out these things on their own to participate

I've never heard that

@DestructibleLemon What are you saying?

I don't know

o_O

"I don't know" on both chats ... lol

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I can't find anything about it online, other than "should you share your ACT score, and with who?"

So... what happens if you try to make a second repository with the same name as another repository in Github, because I'm about to try it

Anyway, I got 35 on the ACT

The world'll explode.

@ETHproductions Damn

I got 31

But I know several people who got 35

wtf I didn't even spoof my MAC and it works now

@HyperNeutrino fun

I think router was just being dumb

Damn. My projection is around 27 or something.

because I just rebooted it

haha, when I went back to the tab I had just looked that up in I found this:

(I'm not Liam btw)

are you sure

> yes thats right we need to make the no thanks button into a passive aggressive attack on your worth

-- every advice-giving website ever

I think there was an xkcd? IDK

ok wtf when I spoof my mac address to a device that works, it disconnects, then when I unspoof, it works again. is having multiple devices on the same mac address bad?

well brb, i'm going to take my chromebook off the router.

@HyperNeutrino probably

@DestructibleLemon xkcd.com/1174?

who starred the fact that an xkcd existed?

thanks

No one :P

... wow, there really exists an XKCD for everything.

hey I think it worked

@ZacharyT I did that

God bless XKCD

@ATaco no don't

@Mendeleev What grade are you in (prepares self)

Oh, okay.

@ATaco Amen

@ZacharyT 9th

Going into 10th

@DJMcMayhem *ramen

@DJMcMayhem That's not bad at all tho, I think that puts you in like the top 4%

internal screaming

@DestructibleLemon DJMcRamen

but nowadays you need top 0.00001% to have a 0.000001% chance of getting into like a grocery store cashier because it's so competitive ><

Does your school offer Physics to sophomores though ... :)

@HyperNeutrino Really? I applied to a grocery store for cashier when I was 16, and the interview was "this is what you'll be doing when you work here"

@ZacharyT No traditional classes - but the school I was going to go to before this one opened had Physics for freshmen too

I was going to take it

@Mendeleev You rang? :P

louder internal screaming

@HyperNeutrino I was going to say there's an xkcd for that, but I'm just remembering an image I saw several times on imgur

@DJMcRamen Seems like you liked that so much, you changed your username to fit it

@Mendeleev hmm, you wouldn't have thought he would notice?

Oh god no, are name changes happening again..?

@DestructibleLemon O___________________________o

I should call myself Noodleev

No, go back to wat.

wat no

is this going to turn into a pastafarian room?

I agree, go back to wat.

I said I wouldn't change my username until 2018

@Mendeleev the suspense

@ATaco It's less professional

@DJMcRamen @Mego Sorry to bother you.

@DestructibleLemon Thank you

@HyperNeutrino 0/10 just a white page when javascript is turned off.

@ZacharyT I used to be Dmitry Kudriavtsev on here

@EinkornEnchanter ooo new image. but yeah probably depends strongly on js

You can probably guess what that name is

@HyperNeutrino Perhaps use Google's tool to determine how well the site is designed for mobile? I'll see if I can find it

Well anyway I have to go now. Bye people o/ and please no more stupid old jokes >.<

I'm just thinking of making my username ý.

Ah, here it is: testmysite.thinkwithgoogle.com

@ZacharyT It's gotta be at least 3 characters though

please fix

I think diacritics count as a character

ýýý

ý is one char

@ZacharyT I don't know

You can do y and a compounding diacritic

If you want you can also put horizontal tabs in your username, they contribute to the count but don't show up

I'd need one more.

the only caveat is they need to be between two non whitespace characters

ýýý will be it if I change my username (Zacharý T. is how I write my name sometimes)

You could make your username ýý or even chose a small character and do something like ý.

> this website is [...]

must not make bad joke

They're prob. Francophones.

do [y] with diacritic and brackets

(If I change it, I'll make it Zacharý, probably)

GTG

Aw man, TestMySite has had some serious Google-ification done to it since the last time I used it... before they would give you a few tips on how to improve the site and include a link to send you more info, now they just say "Your site does so-and-so well. It's slower than this other site. Click here to get your report (and occasional emails with helpful tips on how to improve my online presence, mainly advertisements for other Google products and services)"

dang