The Nineteenth Byte

MD XF

00:04

@Phoenix I'm more into writing languages these days

ASCII-only

> piczles

MD XF

@ASCII-only HAHAHA

Downgoat

@ASCII-only quetion: should we have explicit override keyword?

e.g.: override func loadGoatMemes() { ... }

MD XF

I fixed it

Phoenix

@Downgoat No, C# has one and I don't like it.

Downgoat

00:14

ok thanks adding

Phoenix

Override should be an annotation.

@Downgoat Why do you do this

Downgoat

@Phoenix not if it has semantic value

@Phoenix why am I a goat

Phoenix

@Downgoat What semantic value does it have?

Downgoat

@Shaggy Yes, there is a very quick way in Java to do something, if that something is switching to another language

@Phoenix dynamic symbol lookup

Phoenix

?

Downgoat

00:17

@Phoenix superset of dynamic dispatch

Phoenix

The compiler should be able to determine if something is an override without need for a keyword.

Downgoat

no, but we can tell if potential bork or not bork

MD XF

Phoenix

Please no

@Downgoat Why can't the compiler imply override?

Downgoat

@Phoenix because then we can determine whether to qualitfy the functin for a vtable pos. & dd

Phoenix

00:27

Can you say that again, in complete English. I'm not sure what that last part is

I don't see what's hard. If superclass has function with same name, it's an override.

You can add an override identifier to the function at compile time it you need to.

ASCII-only

@NewMainPosts :| This is really underspecified

MD XF

@ASCII-only I did a lot of fixes on it

Check the revision history; the OP was really determined to make it crap

"piczles" was the best

ASCII-only

00:42

> The current winner is Gryphon's Python 2 answer at -224 bytes

:|

MD XF

@ASCII-only Where is that?

ASCII-only

@MDXF PPCG design userscript, this is caused by bad answer header formatting

totallyhuman

@MDXF there's a link

MD XF

@ASCII-only Ohh

@ASCII-only I fixed it

Helka Homba

@ASCII-only that means they removed 224 bytes from Python's source code and the challenge was solved

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ASCII-only

00:45

> I think there is a problem with you second code ASCII-only it dos'nt follow my mose it just flouts above it

MD XF

@ASCII-only Yeah

ruffle -> roughly, piczles -> pixels, cleerly -> clearly, visable -> visible, etc etc

It was very hard to restrain myself from linking the OP to the dictionary

ASCII-only

@MDXF :| Header is back to crap again

MD XF

What StackExchange is offline

Not anymore

@ASCII-only Back to slightly less crap again

I swear I will start a rollback war with this guy

ASCII-only

Also yay I have three Stack Snippets in my answer lol

MD XF

Those are all pretty cool

You know, it also takes a lot of self-restraint to not DV because of the OP's obnoxiousness

It's clear ish (after my edits) but ... man they were determined to make it not so

New Main Posts

00:54

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Q: Find all the Anagrams, and the Subanagrams too!

This question is heavily based off this question, but should pose a number of additional difficulties. Your Task You must write a program or function that, when receiving a string, prints out all possible anagrams of it. For the purpose of this question, an anagram is a string that contains ...

MD XF

Um

user165474

@xnor Oh alright, that makes sense.

MD XF

Does anyone see odd similarities between Gryphon's profile and Foxy's?

...and names, and posts...

user165474

Hm...

Jan Dvorak

Coincidence :P

user165474

00:58

Hopefully :P

ASCII-only

@MDXF And communities

MD XF

Yeah. They're the same person.

Should we have a moderator check if there's any cross-voting?

user165474

@MDXF How do you know?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino a) having used socks for bad purposes before and b) using socks for not bad purposes now, I can tell

And it's common sense... same communities, same style of writing (except one uses purposefully terrible grammar/spelling), they answer each others' questions, etc.

user165474

Okay. I've never really used a hidden sock before (it's extremely obvious that I have a sock) so I wouldn't be able to tell :P

user165474

01:02

Though that does seem suspicious, I wouldn't be too quick to assume anything.

MD XF

Should we flag something for mod attention?

user165474

From my experience, I wouldn't yet because though it is suspicious, we shouldn't assume anything, and besides, I don't think mods can check for cross-voting, but if it becomes more obvious or even just not less obvious, you could ping a mod here.

MD XF

True, but Dennis has specifically asked us to use flags for stuff that requires moderator attention...

user165474

Okay, if that is the case, then maybe a flag would be a good idea. I'm not sure what to flag though. Hm.

MD XF

Flag for moderator attention :P

There's an option where you can write a custom message

user165474

01:06

No I mean where to put the flag :P

MD XF

Oh, maybe on Foxy's most recent post?

user165474

Maybe.

user165474

I'd say we flag on the same post so what do you think

user165474

Wait a sec

MD XF

I'm gonna look more at their interactions first

user165474

01:07

Gryphon made a comment on Foxy's post saying something about not invalidating answers.

MD XF

And?

user165474

Unless that's intended to make us think it's not a sock, that seems to me like it isn't a sock.

MD XF

They both answered the same question, the only answer Foxy has

Gryphon edited Foxy's post

user165474

...hm

MD XF

How many interactions can there be??

user165474

01:09

(which one)

MD XF

this, looks like Gryphon/Foxy meant to be on Foxy editing it but was accidentally on Gryphon

Jan Dvorak

Could still be homage

MD XF

Gryphon immediately answered Foxy's first question

Jan Dvorak

Although the edit is pretty convincing

MD XF

immediately

I'm not even gonna look into their Worldbuilding interactions

Oh also Foxy's trash post has 1 vote, my guess: Gryphon's

Jan Dvorak

01:11

coworker? :P

MD XF

Husband/wife? :P

But look at the profiles

They're the same, but Foxy uses intentionally bad english and spelling

It's kind of obvious when it's intentional, ya know?

I'm pretty confident they're the same user. I have to go now, so if anyone wants to flag one of their posts (specifically the one they cross-edited) that'd be great. :-)

Dennis

@MDXF General advice: whenever something looks suspicious, just flag it. Chances are, the moderator team has access to more relevant tools and is thus better equipped to look into it.

MD XF

@Dennis Well, I just flagged one. Thanks

Downgoat

@Dennis brb flagging all posts containing 'sheep'

5

Dennis

Thank goodness for flag bans.

Downgoat

01:32

flag bans?

Dennis

120

A: Allow recovery from flag hellban

Update: Kevin Montrose makes it happen The hell-ban is no more! Long live the verbose, obnoxiously evident ban! Kevin has implemented (more or less) the system described below. Flaggers with a recent (past 7 days) flagging history consisting of at least 10 handled flags where >= 10% of flags we...

Downgoat

:| are you saying flags of blasphemous posts about sheep would not be accepted?

Phoenix

@Downgoat how many sheep related posts even are there?

MD XF

@Phoenix If any, too many

user165474

@Downgoat codegolf.stackexchange.com/search?q=sheep

MD XF

01:42

41 results. I feel like posting something conaining "sheep" just so it's 42

But would that make sheep the answer to life, the universe, and everything?

user165474

Yes. And thus Downgoat would rage-quit PPCG from seeing such blasphemy.

user165474

In comparison, "goat" shows up in twice as many posts

ASCII-only

What's the golfiest way to get null in JS apart from using the literal

user165474

Do you want to find a way shorter than null or just the shortest way not using null?

MD XF

@ASCII-only does 0 work? works in C

ASCII-only

01:44

@HyperNeutrino Not using null

user165474

ok

user165474

Darn, Javascript has undefined and null as separate things.

user165474

Out of curiosity, why do you need it?

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino No reason lol, I'm just wondering

user165474

>.< well then again this is code-golf, having a real purpose is not essential to anything we do :P

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ASCII-only

01:48

({}).__proto__.__proto__ works (also document.oncut usually)

user165474

... why would you do that

MD XF

Save too many bytes by using ... null

user165474

...

MD XF

Welp I'm about to lose 200 rep

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino undefined means something is not defined, null is just empty/null value

user165474

01:49

ah ok

user165474

Darn, var f=a=>a.__proto__;f(f(f([]))) doesn't actually save any bytes

user165474

Also window.onfocus is often null

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Also window.onblur and a lot of other things

user165474

yes

user165474

a lot of window functions are null unless they aren't

user165474

01:53

wait that doesn't mean anything

Riker

@flawr

user165474

?

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino Quetion: what is try to do?

Riker

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino (f=a=>a.__proto__)(f({}))

user165474

01:57

Oh hm.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino ({})[a='__proto__'][a]

user165474

Oh nice I did not know that syntax worked

user165474

>.< why is js so weirdddd

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Only Python is weird, in a lot of C-derived languages assignments evaluate to their value

user165474

true

user165474

01:58

well actually originally being a java programmer i'm used to that

user165474

I try to do that too much in python and fail ;_;

MD XF

Is it bad that I have 34 commits in the first not-even two days?

ASCII-only

@MDXF Yes, pls commit less

MD XF

@ASCII-only I didn't mean to but ... well, see the chat, bugfixes and much-needed improvements and such make up most of those

ASCII-only

@MDXF Well yeah but please at least do 10 bugfixes at a time if there are that many bugs pls

MD XF

02:03

@ASCII-only Well, people were actively writing code in it and required the bugfixes immediately

If @LeakyNun deletes his fork I'll squash a lot of them

user165474

What if he gets a spoon

Leaky Nun

@MDXF ??

MD XF

unless force-pulling across forks is a thing

@LeakyNun I have too many Triangular commits

but if I squash them it will invalidate your fork

Leaky Nun

btw I just created another

MD XF

PR?

Leaky Nun

02:07

yes

Downgoat

@MDXF do you mean git merge -X theirs upstream/master?

MD XF

@LeakyNun Why'd you put backticks around four-spaces-indented code?

Wait nvm you space-formatted it and removed backticks

user165474

guys

user165474

i have an english presentation tomorrow

user165474

and i will be rickrolling everyone

user165474

02:16

from their OWN computers }:-D

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino pls do goat version of rickroll :3 :3 :3

user165474

no

user165474

(plz don't downgoat me)

Downgoat

brb uber-downgoating you

user165474

noooooo not like thissss D:

user165474

02:24

downgoat is being r00d

Downgoat

quetion: why are you a neutrino but have benzene as avatar

user165474

sigh I have been asked this question too many times

user165474

Because I feel like it.

user165474

And I like hexagons.

Destructible Lemon

hexagons are pretty cool...

@HyperNeutrino like twice?

ASCII-only

02:29

@HyperNeutrino Then why not change your name

Destructible Lemon

4 times actually?

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino s/s/y/

> r00d

Oh no it's a leetspeaker

user165474

1337 :3

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino 5/1/31/

user165474

@ASCII-only Because I use this username a lot (as in in one place) and I like it :3

user165474

02:34

31I73

user165474

I 4M 4N 3LIT3 C0D3R

user165474

@ASCII-only No hexagony is agonizing

user165474

@HelkaHomba Wait idea, if I take the interpreter for a language and remove some bytes to solve the program, can I claim to have a negative score? :D

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino No

user165474

:(

ASCII-only

02:40

That's like taking most of an interpreter away and just keeping the prime checking function

user165474

aww well it was a decent try

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino nope

Helka Homba

@ASCII-only the rule would be you can't write any of your own code, just remove bytes in the interpreter (no rearranging, no adding)

user165474

@DestructibleLemon y sew mean

Leaky Nun

why on earth are sew and sow pronounced the same

user165474

02:43

We got bored of having 5 vowels so we decided to make a bunch of them sound the same.

Helka Homba

@LeakyNun same reason leak and leek are

user165474

Leeky Nun?

user165474

Leaky Nun

@HelkaHomba same reason? No. In GVS /ow/ became /aw/ (that's why we pronounce "down" as /dawn/)

and /ew/ becomes /ju/ (that's why we pronounce "new" as /nju/)

user165474

queue -> kju?

Leaky Nun

02:45

@HyperNeutrino yes. silent "e" at the end. "qu" pronounced as "k".

user165474

Ah ok

user165474

welp anyway got to go work on stuff now, o/

MD XF

03:05

Did Martin mark this as a dupe before he was a mod?

Leaky Nun

@MDXF it would seem so.

user165474

@MDXF lol the deleted answer though

MD XF

Haha it's true though...

Everyone upvote this pls (not mine)

ETHproductions

@LeakyNun GVS?

Leaky Nun

@ETHproductions great vowel shift

ETHproductions

03:19

Ah

I don't know much about the history of languages. Never thought this would be the place I learn :P

So... "bite" was pronounced "beet" 600 years ago? Interesting

Leaky Nun

@ETHproductions yes, in a simplistic sense.

ETHproductions

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't that simple

Leaky Nun

and "beet" was pronounced /be:t/ 600 years ago

/e/ is a sound that doesn't exist in modern UK/US English

you may find it in Australia/NZ

and of course, French and German.

ETHproductions

Huh, lemme see if I can find a sound file for it on the Wikipedia page then

Leaky Nun

treat it as halfway between /i/ as in (beet) and /ε/ (as in bet)

Phoenix

03:27

Was "door"" ever pronounced like "doom", I wonder.

ETHproductions

@LeakyNun That's about what I got

Phoenix

Probably

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix why would it be?

Phoenix

Because of its spelling

Leaky Nun

why would the "r" be pronounced like "m"?

ETHproductions

03:27

I think the point is the "oo" would be long

Phoenix

@LeakyNun I was talking about the oo

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix no, you got it the other way round

"doom" was pronounced like "door"

ETHproductions

Similar to "dome"?

Leaky Nun

the "r" prevented the sound from changing

@ETHproductions similar, yes. same, no. This is in the same vein of people pronouncing French é as /ei/ in English...

people just can't do /e/.

ETHproductions

Nothing is ever exactly the same when comparing old and new pronunciations :P

Leaky Nun

03:29

@ETHproductions certainly.

@Phoenix just look at its spelling. "oo" means a long "o".

(that is, until GVS changed "oo" to a long /u/)

Phoenix

GVS?

Leaky Nun

great vowel shift.

ETHproductions

Great Vowel Shift

The Great Vowel Shift was a major series of changes in the pronunciation of the English language that took place in southern England, primarily between 1350 and the 1600s and 1700s. Through the Great Vowel Shift, all Middle English long vowels changed their pronunciation. English spelling was becoming standardized in the 15th and 16th centuries, and the Great Vowel Shift is responsible for many of the peculiarities of English spelling. == History of analysis == The Great Vowel Shift was first studied by Otto Jespersen (1860–1943), a Danish linguist and Anglicist, who coined the term. ==...

Phoenix

Right

TBH I'm just disappointed we don't have thorn anymore. So much time and effort lost writing out th when we could have just had a simple loop.

Leaky Nun

θorn?

write it as theta lol

Phoenix

03:32

wat no

Leaky Nun

IIRC, Icelandic preserved the thorn.

@Phoenix I can't type thorn.

Phoenix

þorn

ETHproductions

@LeakyNun Hence why it's still in the first 256 code points of Unicode

Phoenix

That looks... uh...

Leaky Nun

@ETHproductions I see.

ETHproductions

03:33

Rather than being relegated to some historic section

Leaky Nun

so downgoat would be pronounced as /downgɔ:t/

Phoenix

Like modern "got"?

Leaky Nun

yes, but longer

Downgoat

like downgoot?

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat eh... not really

"oa" represents /ɔ:/, "oo" represents /o:/.

Downgoat

03:47

:| just to clarify: pronounced: "down" - "go" - "t". not "down" - "got", or "down" - "goo" - "t"

:| apparently swift sort is faster than C sort with unsafe float point ops

ETHproductions

So today I was on a Windows 7 computer that had some Yahoo search toolbar program, and a somewhat fishy message popped up

It looked something along the lines of this:

Phoenix

@Downgoat downgroot

ETHproductions

(Excuse the poor photoshop skills, I photoshop with MS Paint)

I just about clicked the OK button, but then I noticed

So I clicked the word "here" and the pop-up respectfully disappeared

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat the "down" would be like the "done" in "condone".

and "goat" is lengthened "got".

Phoenix

donegot

ETHproductions

03:52

What I want to know is why the heck developers are allowed to hide the Cancel button in the middle of the text itself

ASCII-only

04:09

@ETHproductions O_o

@ETHproductions A bit like HTML, I guess?

ETHproductions

I guess

It shouldn't be allowed though IMO

Of course, I've no idea what they'd do to stop that...

user165474

Mobile chat is weird :I

user165474

It's not too bad though, in my opinion.

MD XF

It's awful

user165474

I expected worse.

MD XF

04:15

Well it might be due to the fact that I was using it on a custom phone the one time I tried it

user165474

Possibly. By the way, did you hear back about the potential sock thing?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Not yet, I'll check my flag replies

user165474

Alright. I'll do the same.

MD XF

pending

user165474

wait how do i check

MD XF

04:20

https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/flag-summary/<your user ID here>

user165474

oh ok thanks

user165474

yup pending

user165474

hmmm i only have 1 declined flag

user165474

and that's because i was being dumb and flagged one comment too many and you can't comment unflag

user165474

ooo i finally got the curious badge!

MD XF

04:22

I have two

one was an accident

Oh good job, mine still hasn't loaded :I

user165474

rip

user165474

took me long enough

user165474

i had 5 times the required amount of received questions

MD XF

I probably have 10

(total good received questions, not times)

user165474

ah ok

user165474

04:27

Hi @Riker

user165474

How do I make websites think my phone is a computer?

user165474

Oh wait found out

user165474

*it

user165474

I can't edit things because now my phone's on the desktop chat site and this is even worse

ETHproductions

"found out" works too :P

user165474

04:31

sure :P

user165474

i was mostly trying to use discord without needing to download it

user165474

but the formatting makes it unusable because desktop is not compatible

user165474

so i gave up and I'll just check tomorrow night

MD XF

What timezone?

user165474

the one that's around half past midnight

New Main Posts

04:33

0

Q: Generate a random number

This is to build a random() function that generates a random number that is not going to be repeated I mean do not use the ready made Rand fucntion in your function and If 2 people called the same function at the same time they will get 2 different results. numbers should be between 0 and 1000...

random

user165474

edt i think

user165474

yeah edt

MD XF

UTC - what

For example, pacific northwest is UTC-7

user165474

4

user165474

lol OP tried finding it but didn't find the dupe

user165474

04:37

25

Q: Pick a random number between 0 and n using a constant source of randomness

Task Given a positive integer n less than 2^30 specified as input in any way you choose, your code should output a random integer between 0 and n, inclusive. The number you generate should be chosen uniformly at random. That is each value from 0 to n must occur with equal probability (see Rule...

code-golf random probability-theory

ETHproductions

I could've dupe-hammered it (I wonder what the close reason would have shown), but it's very unclear so I just closed as unclear

Actually no, it doesn't even have the code-golf tag

Downgoat

@Phoenix I. Am. Gaot.

brb making gif

user165474

@ETHproductions could you theoretically hammer any challenge by doing a tag edit to include code golf and then nuking?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino One guy with a gold c++ tag on stackoverflow nuked an incorrectly-tagged Java question

it was hilarious

ETHproductions

@HyperNeutrino Nope, the system catches that

user165474

04:48

aww

user165474

and lol that's great

MD XF

@ETHproductions Have you tried it? :P

ETHproductions

No, but I trust Dennis's word :P

user165474

lol i just wrote a jelly program on a phone it is painful

user165474

feature request: make a jelly app

user165474

04:52

took me about 5 minutes

user165474

and it was 3 bytes

user165474

anyway should go to sleep now. bye!

MD XF

Bye o/

Oh also for those of you who gawk at my rep slope

Look at her, she's doing pretty darn good

Phoenix

05:32

I kinda nuked my fedora install completely just now

Trying to rescue files from live OS

And then reinstall fedora

Why is fedora installer not wanting to work ;-;

All it can render is a cursor

Yay the DE loaded!

Phoenix

05:46

Is it possible to keep my old /home partition when reinstalling fedora?

Leaky Nun

CMC: set intersection. (set built-in not allowed; element in output must be unique; elements in input may not be unique)

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