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6:07 AM
I want to preserve my /home, but when I set the mountpoint for the old home partition to /home, it seems to duplicate it, taking up all available disk space.
Does anyone know how I can have just one instance of /home
Please I need urgent help
 
@Phoenix like sheep invading urgent or have essay due tomorrow haven't started urgent
 
@Downgoat The essay is finished but on my existing /home
 
@Phoenix ln -s?
 
I mean how to set it up in the installer
 
oh, so if I udnerstand correctly you are creating a new partion and you want to copy your home folder?
oh I see. In mac it'll keep it, it won't nuke user folders
does fedora do same?
 
user165474
6:20 AM
@LeakyNun So I'm assuming deduplication is forbidden?
 
@Downgoat I am reinstalling Fedora. I want to nuke my old install but keep its /home
 
@HyperNeutrino allowed, of course.
 
user165474
oh ok
 
user165474
I'll try doing more Jelly on a phone
 
@Phoenix ok so suggestion: new partition, reinstall fedora, blank home, mount old partion, move /home, nuke old partion
 
user165474
6:21 AM
it's annoying
 
or if you have a 128GB USB drive it become more easy
 
@Downgoat There isn't space to have my /home folder twice and have the rest of Fedora installed.
 
ohhh I see porblem
 
At least I can back up my essay, ty Live OS
 
I think it is fedora installer problem, did you tell it to not format?
 
6:24 AM
?
 
Do you have a backup?
 
@Phoenix Afaict it only lists the same partition twice for two installs.
 
Update: It's now letting me create sufficiently large partition
For swap
I can have a 50gb swap but a 3gb /
WTF
Ok
I got it to work by clicking random buttons and pushjing random keys
 
user165474
@LeakyNun pEÐfḢ€Q
 
I have actually no idea what I did
But it works now
 
6:30 AM
(stupid chat)
4
Anaconda is and always has been rather confusing.
 
@HyperNeutrino I can do it in two bytes...
 
user165474
...
 
Do I have to have a /boot partition?
 
user165474
wait is the set intersection built-in allowed? or is there something else I'm missing
 
No.
 
6:31 AM
Ok, won't bother with one then.
 
YaST alone is a good reason to favor openSUSE over other distros.
 
@HyperNeutrino result is invalid
 
Does anyone see the counter at the bottom that says 1 GiB free? There is not 1 GiB free.
 
user165474
oh ok
 
@Dennis Maybe I'll try OpenSUSE sometime.
Not right now though.
 
6:33 AM
If your Live CD comes with gparted, just set up partitions using a sane tool.
 
nope
It comes with KDE Partition Manager tho
 
You should be able to install it.
That's still better than Anaconda.
 
Would have been nice to have had that idea before spending an hour getting Anaconda to work, but now I finally got it to be how I want it I'm not touching anything.
Should I create a new user, and should it's name be the one in my existing /home
 
I'd personally not set up swap (assuming you have enough RAM), but most people disagree with me on this.
 
@Dennis I have 4 gigabytes
So I'm setting up swap
Also, because of Anaconda BS it takes up space I can't allocate to anything else anyway
For reasons
 
6:37 AM
Ok, that's not a lot. I'd still rather use zram though.
 
I might set up zram later
I have school tomorrow and its getting late, I just need a functioning OS ASAP.
/sigh
 
@Phoenix You have to create a new user. If you use the same name, your home directory (including the settings therein) will be preserved. If you want that depends on why you're re-installing (I assume) Fedora.
 
@Dennis I tried to switch to nvidia driver and ended up having only black screen in graphical mode.
I had a weird bug where occasionally after waking up my laptop only cursor could be rendered.
I hoped it would fix.
 
X settings could live in the home folder. If you want to use the same username, either delete all config files or rename the user folder in /home.
 
No, I definitely did not touch anything in /home
It was all in /etc
 
6:43 AM
Ah, OK.
Yet another reason to use openSUSE. With btrfs, you can just roll back all changes.
 
Thanks for the help!
 
np
 
@Dennis I'll give it a try whenever I actually have the time to create a bootable DVD and need to install a new OS for some reason.
 
@flawr hi
 
I don't actually really see the difference between distros that much
All I noticed switching from Ubuntu to Fedora (that wasn't caused by KDE) was more current repos and dnf instead of apt.
 
6:47 AM
@Phoenix the main differences are their updating system and the range of repos
@Phoenix gentoo for example is completely insane :)
 
Yep, IK
 
and, imho, shouldn't exist :)
also, some don't require you to reinstall regularly which you might like
I got bored of doing that after a while and go for LTS ubuntu
 
@Lembik I think that was caused by me doing a stupid and not Fedora
Although I am using Fedora 26...
 
but I suspect I use almost none of the features of gnome... so maybe there are big differences that I just don't notice
 
@Dennis Does OpenSUSE have 'spins' like Fedora or does it necessarily come with GNOME?
 
6:51 AM
@Phoenix openSUSE's pet DE is KDE. Iirc you can choose which one you want though. Since Leap 42, the installer is quite big and comes with a lot of stuff.
 
That's neat!
And yeah I was wondering why the installer is 4.7 GB
 
It's also not a live image, which is a bit disappointing.
 
Yeah, it would probably make the installer even bigger though.
 
Probably.
 
why does anyone care about whether they have kde or gnome?
I have failed to see a difference
 
6:54 AM
Because GNOME is awful.
 
@Dennis but in what way? I mean I use the DE to launch applications
they both do that
what else do you do with it?
 
Sure, so does openbox.
 
is openbox ugly?
is that what people don't like about gnome, that it is ugly?
 
May 1 at 3:05, by Dennis
GNOME 3 is awful. Sure, you can install a gazillion extensions to make it less awful, but installing a sane DE is much easier.
 
KDE lets you customize a lot of stuff. To turn GNOME into a sane DE, you need extensions. In my experience, these make GNOME even more unstable than mutter does by default, and they'll all break with the next update.
 
6:56 AM
but awful in what way? Does this just mean what it looks like?
I am still not getting it.. could you give a specific example which is not about looks?
 
What it looks like is a rather large part of the workflow. You can't have a task bar without an extension. You can't disable the hot corner without an extension, etc.
 
ok thanks! Taskbar and "hot corner" (a phrase I never heard before) I get
 
And mutter used to crash on me every now and then, but even when it didn't, it was rather sluggish.
 
what is mutter?
 
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6:59 AM
Mutter is a window manager initially designed and implemented for the X Window System, and recently has evolved to be a Wayland compositor. It became the default window manager in GNOME 3, replacing Metacity which used GTK+ for rendering. Mutter uses a graphics library called Clutter giving it OpenGL capability. The name is a portmanteau of Metacity and Clutter. Mutter can function as a standalone window manager for GNOME-like desktops and serves as the primary window manager for the GNOME Shell, which is an integral part of GNOME 3. Mutter is extensible with plugins and supports numerous visual...
got it
 
GNOME's window manager.
 
crashing is no good
to be honest, I no longer find linux in general rock solid
one feature that drives me crazy which I think I could fix if I knew how is that running a python script that uses too much RAM kills me PC cold
 
It never was. No OS with a monolithic kernel is.
 
I have to unplug it at the wall
@Dennis I used to find linux very stable
but I can completely kill it in a simple python loop now
 
I went into linux fully expecting everything to break occasionally
 
7:01 AM
there is no OOM killer it seems
 
It's like a mini-adventure each time I fuck up
 
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But I know so much more about how computers and such work now, it's totally worth it.
 
luckily ext4 rocks so no harm is done
 
Linux is fun.
@Dennis IDK what you mean by 'monolithic' but I've found Windows to break far less often than Linux
 
7:03 AM
@Lembik Are you using swap? The reaper will become active only when all virtual memory is starting to fill up. A large swap partition means there's a lot of disk trashing before anything gets killed, and that can take some time...
 
I know OpenSUSE is RPM-based, does that mean I can connect to COPR?
 
@Dennis someone said that me which seems odd. So I should remove all swap?
 
@Phoenix A monolithic kernel doesn't delegate tasks to servers in userland. If a driver inside the actual kernel crashes, the whole system goes down.
 
@Dennis Ah, I didn't realize it was a technical term. I thought it just meant 'large'
 
@Lembik If you have enough RAM, sure.
 
7:06 AM
@Phoenix there used to be arguments along these lines. Non monolithic kernels are better in every way except for in practice :)
@Dennis no one ever has enough RAM!
@Dennis to be precise, I have 8GB
 
@Phoenix Both use RPMs, but dnf and zypper aren't compatible. openSUSE has a lot of packages though, so you might not need to.
@Lembik Depending on what you're doing with it, that might be enough. zram helps.
 
@Dennis IHuh. There's even one for Discord, although the official Discord website only lists a .deb download.
And neither Fedora nor Ubuntu have it in their repos.
 
@Dennis If I was were running a system with 100s of users, I assume I could configure linux so this doesn't happen
@Dennis that is limit RAM usage per user or process
 
@Dennis Is software.opensuse.org/package/discord listing community packages? I can't tell.
The website looks like official repos
But looking at the downloads themselves I'm not sure.
 
Everything that starts with home: is packaged by an individual.
 
7:11 AM
So the community packages and official packages are listed together in one place
I'm liking OpenSUSE more and more
 
Yes. That's why you have to click show unstable packages to see those.
 
What's the difference between YaST and Zypper?
Is it like Yum and Dnf?
Or more like dpkg and apt
 
any windows user kind enough to help me compile codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/125863/9206 ?
 
@Lembik TIO?
 
zypper is a command-line tool. YaST is the installer and also a GUI for a lot of things, including package management.
 
7:15 AM
@Phoenix sadly I have to time it on my laptop for the challenge
until TimeItOnline is set up ... @Dennis :)
 
oic
Also it needs a library
 
I know!
I have cygwin and g++
 
No I just noticed that myself
Library is probably not on TIO
 
oh right
there should be an easy way to sandbox individual executables, if there isn't already
 
> openSUSE uses rpm as low-level package handler and zypper as easier frontend, plus a YaST2 module, yum, apt4rpm and PackageKit as options.
> yum
So it might be possible?
I mean, no real point, but still.
 
7:27 AM
and firejail for linux... interesting
 
7:43 AM
Morning chaps
 
and chapesses
 
> Looks at clock
> 12:44 AM
> ಠ_ಠ
 
8:45am here, just got into the office :P
@Lembik whatever helps you sleep at night
 
@Mayube ? :)
 
It's stupid how people with actual jobs get to wake up later than highschoolers.
I have to wake up before six
 
7:49 AM
@Phoenix but then you get to sleep all day :)
 
hehe
 
@Phoenix what do you do between before six and the first lesson of the day?
 
Being a band director must suck, +1 hour for before school jazz band, +1 hour for planning and such, get up at four.
@Lembik eat breakfast, change, travel to school, etc
 
what time is the first lesson?
 
I need to be there by 7, it's a half hour drive
(before six means 5:50, but still)
 
7:53 AM
7 seems early
when does school finish?
 
2
 
ah I see! :)
well there's the difference
 
30 min drive to go to school…
I had to walk for 5 minutes
 
if you have a job that starts at 7, it doesn't finish at 2
 
I hear the term "nine to five job" a lot so it would finish at three it it starts at seven.
 
7:55 AM
It finishes at 2 pm??
In highschool I had days starting at 8am and finishing at 6pm…
 
@Phoenix those exist.. but they don't pay much
 
Ah, I see.
 
@Phoenix also .. do you get any breaks?
most jobs have one minimal break for lunch
 
30 Minutes for lunch and five minutes between periods
 
that's not much!
I would go on strike :)
 
7:58 AM
Tbh if it meant ah extra half hour of sleep I would happily skip lunch
Microsoft Is terrible at naming things.
New console: *Xbox One X*
I wonder how long it took them to come up with that one.
 
X_boxone_X
next they'll announce the xXbox one X
 
xXxboxXx
 
@Phoenix I'll swap you my later start time for your 3 months summer holidays.
 
xXx_boxpussyslayer96one_xXx ?
 
@Phoenix Xbox One -> Xbox One S(uper) -> Xbox One e(X)treme -> Xbox One (I)nsane
 
8:07 AM
@Shaggy where do they get 3 months summer holidays!!
it's 6 weeks in the countries I know
 
my american friend gets 8 weeks
 
@Lembik 3 months everywhere I know (that being Ireland & the UK!).
 
@Shaggy We get out June 28
Basically two months
We do get a two-week winter break tho
 
@Phoenix Sure, 2 months holidays?! That practically nothing!
I wouldn't swap you me later starts fo that but you could have my 70+ hour work week instead! :D
 
@Shaggy as a brit, we got 6 weeks
you in uni or something?
 
8:11 AM
@Shaggy it's not 3 months in the UK
 
I can hardly say to do less work than you do, but that won't stop me from complaining about start time.
 
@Shaggy Term ends around 2? July and starts 1stish of Sept
 
I like how everyone's missing the point ;)
 
@Shaggy unless you mean private schools. Schools are like bikinis. The more you pay, the less you get.
to be fair, no one chatting here can claim they work very hard ;)
 
Noooooooo
I just realized it's Sunday
 
8:15 AM
@Lembik I'm a sysadmin, everything I do is working hard
 
@Phoenix I used to have a job with an 0530 start time, which meant me being up by 0400. My day's work would be done by 1430, though, giving me time to actually live life outside work. It was heaven compared to the "9-5" life.
 
@Mayube :)
 
@Phoenix No it's not, it's monday
 
Good point
When did it become one in the morning
 
an hour after midnight?
 
8:16 AM
@Phoenix 16 minutes ago
 
@Phoenix 8.25 hours ago.
 
I am sleep
o/
 
@Phoenix -6 hours 41 minutes ago
 
8:31 AM
No guys you dont get the point
 
@SIGSEGV ???
 
'When did it become one in the morning'
It cant be one in the morning
Or am I just weird
:|
 
@SIGSEGV Do you really want us to answer that one?! :D
 
smt
just a quick noob question, given a hypothetical challenge where I had to print hello world to stdout, would this submission be acceptable? (with Go's imports and the main function in the header/footer fields and my one line function I want to submit as the actual 'code' on TIO): tio.run/##S8//…
 
@smt No, you need to include import ."fmt"
 
8:42 AM
^ What ASCII said
 
smt
alright, thanks
 
import."fmt"
func f(){Println("Hello, World!")}
Should be valid
 
smt
I see, thanks @ASCII-only
 
@smt And that's not a hypothetical challenge! codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/55422/58974
 
8:50 AM
What are good online sites/ebooks where I can find good non-trivial C programming challenges to solve, to supplement reading K&R ? (Solving the programme should require some amount of non-trivial thinking; and shouldn't require much knowledge of C syntax) ?
[cc: @ASCII-only @ny other who knows C]
 
@AlexKChen you could try project Euler
 
Yeah, thanks. Any other ?
 
@ASCII-only that was my link! :)
 
8:53 AM
@ASCII-only didn't I tell you about that link recently?
 
Oh maybe lol
 
Well it would be better if I couldn't fool myself - i.e I can upload the programme (or a concrete solution, as in PE) and they would run it against test cases.
 
@AlexKChen Yeah which ^ and ^^^ are
 
OK, thanks.
 
@Lembik I just saw your comment, you said you do not get any output?
 
9:00 AM
@flawr no not that. It doesn't output as it runs. So I have to guess the max it will get to in a reasonable amount of time and edit the source
I did that in the end but it's not very convenient
so if I run the code as you gave it I never get any output
 
But it should (and it does on my computer) . What did you use to run it?
 
I am on windows which might make the difference
ghc to compile
that's it
my real problem is how to compile the buddy solution in windows
 
@Lembik but it seems that way you never find out to what n it gets anyway?
 
@flawr I do by editing the source
so I tried up to n = 22 and that told me the limit was n = 21
 
Very strange =/
 
9:04 AM
f 21=540
time=77613
f 22=632
time=220391
 
I like the this will eventually stop challenge, because the longer the program runs the lower it's chance of terminating, which leads to some interesting probabilities
 
But how did you get that output now?
 
it just doesn't flush the buffer in windows it seems
@flawr I just ran your code with everything after n=22 removed
 
So it just prints everything when the program finishes?
 
exactly
 
9:05 AM
Would you mind sending me your compiled .exe?
(I can send you mine too if you want/trust me :)
 
:)
 
mommy told me not to take exes from strangers
 
sure but I am sure it's just a buffering issue in ghc+windows
 
or was that candy....
 
But I tested it on windows too (7)
(64 bit)
 
9:15 AM
@flawr so how would I send it?
 
@Lembik dropbox or something?
I think I just found a solution, but I don't know whether it works for you (as it worked on my machine anyway)
 
oh! I just found another oddity :)
 
Okx
In Java lambda expressions, for example, this (ungolfed): s->{s = s+6;System.out.println(s)}, sometimes you might add a semicolon to make this a valid statement when it is a function: Consumer<Integer> consumer = s->{s = s+6;System.out.println(s)};, but if you pass it to a function, you don't need a semicolon: insertFunctionNameHere(s->{s = s+6;System.out.println(s)});. So, my question is: do semicolons at the end of Java lambda expressions count in the bytecount?
 
if I find flawr.exe using windows explorer and click on it I see the output as it runs!
@flawr so the problem is cygwin
@flawr or at least running it from the command line
@flawr can you reproduce that?
 
I don't know cygwin
@Lembik It has my name on it :D
@Lembik from the normal windows command line it works for me
 
9:21 AM
ah ok... well in any case I don't think we need to worry about it any more
what was the pastebin for?
 
that was with enforcing unbuffered output
(line 29)
@Lembik yeah, lesson learned. I mean haskell is a really cool language, but I'm still too bad to do anything productive^^
 
oh I see!
there must be a better way of writing the code
but I am no haskell expert
 
Sure, I is just above my level:D (I used in fact Matlab to generate this haskell code^^)
 
aha!
 
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9:33 AM
@NewMainPosts A dupe of codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/42728/… isn't it?
 
@Phoenix X.B.O.X is the acronym of XBox One X
Doesn't make it a less terrible name though
 
@Fatalize because of PHP?
@Phoenix And the version for male gamers is XBox One Y
 
at least you can laugh about PHP's awfulness. Here Microsoft wants you to spend $500, not as funny
(and by $500 I mean 500€, because we always get robbed)
 
@flawr No they're the Generation VI XBoxes
 
Well X has four arms so that makes sense.
 
9:43 AM
so a generation 2 is V
and 3 is K?
and 1 is.. |?
kinda falls apart when they get to 5 though
 
1 is Q
 
nah 1 would be l or I
would 5 be XI?
 
9:56 AM
UI designe at it's finest :D
 
@flawr are you about to test codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/125863/9206 ? I am not sure how to get it to run in windows
I need help please
 
Gives a new meaning to "pump up the volume"
 
10:11 AM
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(Real!) last call for feedback.
 
@JanDvorak And "crank up the volume""
 
Still not a fan of animated oneboxes, though
 
@JanDvorak Heh! Guess what I was listening to when I read that? youtube.com/watch?v=w9gOQgfPW4Y
 

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