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@Mendeleev here you go (click the paintbrush on the left to change theme)
 
if (navigator.userAgent.includes("Android") || navigator.userAgent.includes("iPhone")) { serveMobile(); } else {serveDesktop(); }
@Downgoat TIL that exists
 
:|
@Mendeleev Why not use device width?
 
Thanks
 
btw there's one windows phone user who would be sad that it don't support them :(
 
7:03 PM
@Downgoat Small desktop windows and tablets
 
btw, what about android tablets?
 
Hey I just realized, you can put semicolons in random places in C and it doesn't yell at you
 
#@mediamasterrace
 
@Downgoat Still mobile, so those count
@MDXF what
 
@MDXF try putting it inside a statement.
 
7:04 PM
@MDXF in c you can do [0]array and it doesn't yell at you
 
a semicolon on its own is just an empty statement @MDXF
 
@Downgoat Yes I know that
 
but you cann't do printf("hello") without it yell at you ಠ_ಠ
 
Unless you're a fool and you #define } ;} :P
which might not work
 
7:05 PM
@MDXF 0/10 link text doesn't match link
 
Does anyone know if there a reason C didn't have implicit semicolons? They aren't hard to implement
 
@MDXF In C you can do 6//*I LOVE BANANAS*/2 and it can get parsed in two ways
@Downgoat C was created in the 80s
 
@Downgoat No sane language does this.
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@Dennis python?
 
cough python, bash, ruby, haskell, JS
 
7:06 PM
@Dennis Ruby?
 
Python != sane
 
haskell?
 
JS?
Tomato?
 
@Dennis Kotlin, Groovy
 
@Dennis APL? J? K?
 
7:07 PM
APL != sane
Tomato != language ;P
 
@MDXF why?
 
@MDXF Why
 
@Mendeleev Opls you can make implicit semicolon with a potato parser
 
@LeakyNun Semicola aren't mandatory in Python and aren't inserted in any fashion.
 
@Downgoat WHy
 
7:07 PM
It doesn't count if it isn't normally a semicolon language.
 
@Dennis unless you write two statements on the same line
 
Semicola aren't mandatory in Python because newlines are
 
@Mendeleev because 1000x easier to code
 
@Downgoat No
 
actually I take that back
 
7:08 PM
@LeakyNun Yes, but they aren't implicit anywhere. You either need one of you don't. I'm talking about the crap JS pulls.
 
You can't substitute one character for another and say "ooh, look at me, my language doesn't use a semicolon"
 
@MDXF cocacola?
 
@Dennis Brainfuck?
WSF?
 
@Dennis I don't get it.
 
@Mendeleev That is definitely not sane
 
7:08 PM
but if you sum up all the lost programmer productivity beacuse of semicolon bork...
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s/oo/o
 
This conversation is terrible.
 
At least it's kind of on-topic
 
> beacuse
 
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Q: Lots and lots of numbers

user1761786This problem is pretty simple. Write a piece of code to print out this sequence of numbers: https://pastebin.com/MX3Sjirk Output requirements: Must contain numbers specified above Must be in order as specified Numbers can be delimited by any human readable character(s) Shortest code (in # o...

 
7:09 PM
s/eac/eca
@NewMainPosts Thanks for ruining our conversation
 
s/ac/ca
 
What's dev.tio.run??
 
@Dennis I don't see why anyone would do this it is insane
I have used JS for like 4 years and never has been porblem for me
I didn't even know about it until recently too
 
@MDXF Version of TIO used for testing
 
7:10 PM
Ah
@Downgoat s/or/ro
 
may or may have not been intentional (I'm not saying intentional because cannot testify against myself)
 
@Dennis wat is that ;_; it has to be on the same line?
 
@MDXF You didn't see that.
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Usually identical to tio.run unless a new feature is being implemented.
@Dennis I saw it in the revision history
 
s/cannot/I\ cannot
 
7:12 PM
@LeakyNun It implies a semicolon after the return.
 
@LeakyNun It's implicit semicolon insertion, the insanity I'm talking about. I'm fine with being able to end statements with either ;, a newline, or nothing at all. I'm not fine with this.
 
@Phoenix what...
@Dennis that's insane indeed
 
@Phoenix What revision history?
 
@Dennis it's a bad implementatino of semicolon insertion, you can't apply it to all instances of semicolon insertions
 
@Dennis hax
 
7:13 PM
@Dennis I'm very sorry to respond to you that late: both of the links you provided me with earlier (at about 5 PM) work
 
@Dennis ಠ_ಠ
@Downgoat s/no/n
 
@Dennis don't know why the links Ovs gave me didn't
 
@Mr.Xcoder Uh, that doesn't make it easier. Why does it work in chat but not in comments? I'll try again in the comment section.
 
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A: Largest Number Printable

Ansaa GoodenoughInfinity. Name Ansaa Goodenough Email a@a.com

Ugh. This is the third time this user has submitted infinity to this challenge.
 
@Dennis it is very strange... Now that I test the link ovs gave me again, it works... Earlier, I tried like 10 times but returned 404...
 
7:15 PM
Question: is theme switcher for TIO client good or bad idea
 
Ansaa Goodenough >_>
 
Pro: more theme Con: longer loading time
 
@Mr.Xcoder This is on the same device with the same browser, yes?
 
Thanks for delete, Dennis
 
@Dennis why was this deleted?
 
7:17 PM
@Dennis yes, on my mac, with Safari
@Dennis maybe it was a simple browser/connection error
 
@Mr.Xcoder Are you sure? The logged 404 shows a phone.
 
@Dennis Well, I didn't use the phone for that... O_o
 
Also @Dennis can I protect this?
So much spam :I
 
No need to. The system will block the user eventually. Might have done so already.
 
Yeah, but it's multiple users
Aren't there ~25 deleted invalid answers?
 
7:20 PM
We don't get so much spam that it's a pain to deal with.
 
23 by my count
 
Oh whoops I mistook that question for another one
There was a similar question asked last week
And 23 spammy answers in a week ... would deserve a protection
 
That question is over 3 years old. It's not in a week
 
48 secs ago, by MD XF
Oh whoops I mistook that question for another one
 
And be careful with the word spam. None of those are self-promotion, just invalid
 
7:22 PM
"Spam" on SE means some kind of advertising.
 
That's what it means everywhere, right?
@Mego I have 95. 1900 Celsius? Uh-oh
 
@DJMcMayhem It moreso just means repetitive, unwanted material. That's how I've seen it used.
Like, if you were to post ಠ_ಠ in chat for a bunch of messages in a row, that would be considered spam.
 
> Spam, noun: irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients. OR unwanted or intrusive advertising on the Internet.
 
SE follows the second definition.
 
irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients != advertising
So I wasn't too far off?
 
7:25 PM
@Phoenix Sure, but I don't think a couple of invalid answers qualifies
 
All the spams on the SE Community follow the second part of the definition
 
@DJMcMayhem Agreed
 
If someone was posting answers that fit the first definition, you could still flag it as rude or abusive, which is effectively the same thing as a spam flag.
Even though it's not unwanted advertising
 
We don't get enough invalid or clearly disruptive answers to warrant protection in almost any case.
It's easy to just deal with problems as they arise, and protecting questions causes us to lose some incredibly amazing posts by new users.
 
bye
 
7:27 PM
\o
 
o/
 
Maybe not intresting for everyone, but relevant to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Q: Create a BijectiveBrain

PyRulezCreate a bijective function between the syntactically valid BF programs and the natural numbers This means that you will assign each BF program a nonnegative integer (0,1,2,...) in such a way that each number gets a BF program without syntax errors (and without whitespace or comments). Note tha...

 
7:45 PM
CMC: Given an integer n, output the number of its disting prime factors OEIS A001221
 
:o red has overtaken the starboard
 
require'prime';->n{n.prime_division.size}
 
@Phoenix 05AB1E, 2 bytes: fg
 
@totallyhuman When hasn't it
 
Suppose I have a company with centralized logging and we log google searches made by clients. In this scenario which clients are googling what things might be considered private information that one may normally not want to log (like a password)... but without that information in the logs, what good are the logs?
 
7:48 PM
:o dennis has overtaken the starboard
 
May 30 at 5:34, by Phoenix
Theory: Whenever Dennis says something, the universe rolls a d20 to determine if it should be starred for no reason.
 
@Phoenix but what's the DC
 
@Poke We're trying to figure it out but unfortunatly TNBDE is outdated.
 
@sepp2k With version 16.0 we can almost do that: K∊⍨⊢∘⊂⌺3 3 where K is a constant.
 
@Lembik Yay I found a solution to my timing problem=)
@Phoenix How many stars are on that d20?
 
user165474
7:56 PM
@flawr at least 19
 
@Phoenix MATL, 5 bytes: Z\Zps
 
user165474
The universe rolls a d6 to decide where the stars will go. Whichever one shows up, the star will not be on that number for the d20.
 
user165474
However, this means that Dennis only has a 1 in 6 chance of being starred each time.
 
user165474
The reason is quite simple:
 
user165474
 
7:58 PM
And if the stars are right, a Cthulhu reference will be starred?
2
 
user165474
Maybe.
 
user165474
What if the stars are left?
 
@luserdroog Precognition?
 
@JanDvorak Apparantly
 
8:14 PM
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Q: Shuffle a Deck of Cards

CalebGiven: A positive integer n Create a program that will randomly (with uniform distribution) reorder a standard deck of cards n times and Output the final shuffled deck. This is code-golf so the shortest code, in bytes, wins!

 
@NewMainPosts duplicate ;-;
 
Okx
8:47 PM
@Phoenix Neim, 2 bytes: 𝐔𝐥
 
@LegionMammal978 Node.JS on an Ubuntu Server.
 
@Okx Is there a Neim that I could use locally?
 
Okx
@Phoenix You can download the .jar included in the git repo, but I don't update the jar too often. If you're experienced enough, you could download the sources and compile that.
 
Where's the git repo?
Nothing is linked from the online interpreter
 
Okx
there's the wiki page linked there
 
8:52 PM
Oic
@Okx Seems to be a bog standard gradle project, can't be that hard.
 
Okx
Hope it isn't. Also, is there a reason why you want an offline version? Additionally, I can update the jar now if you want.
 
@Okx So it can be TIO'd
What's org.projectlombok
Dependancy?
 
Okx
Yes.
Why do you want to put it on TIO? I made the online interpreter because I think I could do better for Neim specifically.
I also get more control, etc.
 
@okx what is this?
 
Okx
@MDXF it's the root of the webserver
I should really assign a domain to that IP :P
 
8:56 PM
Yes but I mean why no domain
 
@Okx Because I can't access the online interpreter on my school network, I had to set up a mobile hotspot.
 
Okx
@Phoenix I don't see any reason why that would be blocked.
 
My guess is because it down't have a domain.
So it think it's too sketchy.
 
Okx
I can put one of those free domains on there :P
 
Ok, so Dennis says that given how frequently you make commits, it might be impractical to continuously rebuild it--it would be great if you rebuilt the jar to be up-to-date and pushed it.
 
user165474
9:07 PM
Shouldn't this just be regular code-golf? Like I really want to roll it back to before OP changed the winning criterion to that horrid spec
 
done
 
user165474
Thanks
 
user165474
Oh ok that edit actually made the preprocessor-thingy clearer
 
That's an awful question, though
What even is that sequence of numbers :P
 
you have to guess apparently
;-;
 
user165474
9:11 PM
Er what is this?
 
Okx
@MDXF There's a comment I made on the OEIS sequence of the difference of the numbers.
 
user165474
"fastest code"
 
I'll fix that :P
 
user165474
I made it bytes because it's code-golf so it's bytes, I don't think OP meant characters because OP is a new user.
 
"this problem is pretty simple" -- links to a 4mb pastebin - "print this! no explanation provided! :D"
 
user165474
9:13 PM
yup
 
user165474
simple != easy
 
user165474
also I love OP's profile
 
Rick Astley dupe? :P
 
I'm gonna change the title to "Print the OEIS sequence"
 
user165474
public int add(int a,int b){
return a+b;
}
 
user165474
9:13 PM
not even formatted correctly ;_;
 
Yup :P
 
user165474
And WHY WOULD YOU EVEN MAKE A FUNCTION FOR THAT
 
enterprise worthy code
 
Haskell, 3 bytes: (+)
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

GryphonFor Meta: This is probably a dupe of something, but I can't find anything too similar. Any tags other than code-golf and primes? Any other problems? Your Task: I need a list of all the primes that exist, but since that program would take quite literally forever to run, I'll take one that s...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Caleb KleveterPrint a Variable's Name code-golf Create a function that takes in a single value and returns or prints the name of the variable passed in. Return nil if a literal expression is passed in. Examples: var apple = "Hello" p(apple) // apple var nil = "Nothing" p(nil) // nil var SOMETHING = 69 p(S...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

GryphonFor Meta: Is this clear enough? Any tags other than code-golf? Are there any valid magic cubes with a size greater than 1 for me to add to my examples? Your Task: You all know what a magic square is! But what about a magic cube? A magic cube is the 3D version of a magic square, and is a se...

 
user165474
9:14 PM
:o
 
user165474
what just happened there
 
user165474
I think NSP woke up after taking a short nap
 
user165474
and like "oshoot i have 3 missed posts better post them all"
 
Screw it I'm done trying to make this post work
What should I VTC as
 
Okx
I'm betting that the guy found the sequence somewhere and decided to make a PPCG challenge out of it despite not knowing anything about it
 
9:16 PM
Yup, and is it this or this? There's a link to both in the comments
The Pastebin title is more descriptive than any I've ever seen: "Numbers"
 
Okx
@MDXF they're the same
 
So should I edit the title/body to be ~"print OEIS sequence A001563"?
 
Okx
well, it isn't quite that
 
Oh @HyperNeutrino that works tooo
"Numbers can be delimited by any human readable character(s)" Okay, I'll delimit them with numbers ಠ_ಠ
 
9:20 PM
ಠ_ಠ
 
user165474
lol
 
Should I edit that or leave it as crap?
 
user165474
Edited
 
user165474
lol we might as well have written this challenge ourselves
 
Nah I'm gonna make it whitespace
 
user165474
9:20 PM
actually you know what
 
Yeah :P
 
no i don't know
 
user165474
oh
 
Really? ಠ_ಠ
 
/o___o
 
user165474
9:22 PM
I rolled it all the way back so we could close it because I don't think it's a good challenge
 
:c that doesn't work
 
@HyperNeutrino It can still be closed
At least it's kind of clear-ish
But still not too great of a "challenge"
 
user165474
What's the best close-reason though?
 
Unclear?
 
sliced and shredded to pieces by a ninja
 
9:23 PM
Hah 13 edits in an hour :P
 
user165474
I mean, it seems quite clear to me... then again I assumed a bunch of things probably
 
Well, the thing is, if a question is unclear but can be made clear through a couple simple edits, it's not necessarily off-topic, just ... terrible
 
then you can't VTC
 
I think everyone who sees it DV'ing is good enough motivation for the OP to not do that again
 
just downvote and move on
 
9:25 PM
wut it has two upvotes (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻
 
ಠ_ಠ put the table back
 
user165474
┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
 
user165474
welp got to go now, i'll see what happens to the question eventually. cya o/
 
Okx
those two upvotes were actually the first two votes
 
9:28 PM
...and then the sane votes began? :P
 
@ComradeSparklePony Say something already :P
You keep "typing" and then you don't send anything, it's flipping me out :P
 
That was my intention.
 
Oh D:
Sounds like when that dude named No one came in here and left a space in his textbox until ATaco fixed the bug
 
"No one is typing." ಠ_ಠ
 
Okx
9:34 PM
i was the first sane voter :P
 
I don't know whether to downvote or laugh
 
Yo, there is an esoteric programming language stackexchange in Area 51: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/110478/…
 
@PyRulez People already tried that and it was closed as a dupe
 
Where?
a dupe of what?
 
Software Engineering, I think
Oh wait nvm they tried to make a "Language Development" SE
Close enough, though...
@Okx Sixth here :P
 
9:51 PM
@totallyhuman i just realized what that sounded like; "and then the murders began"
 
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Q: Did decreasing the amount of rep required for meta cause spam?

LaurelOn any other site, the Help Center says this: Because we allow anonymous participation, we require a small bit of parent site reputation to prevent spam, and ensure that meta is for active, engaged members of the community. On PPCG, anyone can post on meta, so this part was removed from the...

 
Is this challenge ready for main, I was going to post it soon:
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Wheat WizardMacgyver's Toolbox answer-chainingrestricted-source Each answer will get a "toolbox" that can be used to construct a program. The toolbox will consist of two things: a list of programming languages a list of valid characters You must write a valid program in one of the languages provided u...

 
@MDXF :o you borked it
 
what... how...
@WheatWizard Looks good to me
 
10:12 PM
Should I post the first answer to my answer chaining question or let other people?
 
okie dokie we have an answer chaining challenge
let's see how this goes
 
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Q: Macgyver's Toolbox

Wheat WizardIn this question each answer will get a "toolbox" that can be used to construct a program. The toolbox will consist of two things: a list of programming languages a list of valid characters You must write a valid program in one of the languages provided using only the characters in the toolb...

 
10:38 PM
@WheatWizard: @DJMcMayhem: why did you review this post as "looks OK"? it blatantly violates the challenge specification
 
I didn't run it I thought it outputted lacsaP
 
it does
the challenge is to output lacsaP while not looking like you are
 
Then it works?
 
that blatantly looks like it reverses the string
the challenge specifies that the program must look like it outputs forwards
and that program doesn't
 
So it should be downvoted.
I don't think it should be deleted
 
10:40 PM
hmm, are you consdering the "must look like" to not be part of the challenge specification?
 
I was considering part of the scoring criterion
 
right, I'm parsing it like this: "You should code a piece of code that looks like it outputs the language name but actually outputs the name reversed." = validity criterion, "The winner is the answer with the most upvotes in a week!" = scoring criterion; that's the only parse that occurred to me
I guess you could say "'looks like' is subjective, thus it's necessarily part of the scoring criterion"
 
That was my thought
 
I also guess this is part of the reason we close such challenges…
 
to a keen enough eye everything will look like it prints in reverse
Underhanded challenges are pretty bad, I'm glad we have a policy of closing them.
Now if only we could get rid of popcons
 
10:45 PM
What are popcons?
 
hmm, we actually have a statement from a moderator on this: "Note that underhanded is not a winning criterion, unlike popularity-contest; it's more like math in that it's a specification of the content of the challenge."
 
I actually really like underhanded challenges....it's a shame I didn't join until recently.
 
@musicman523 , a challenge where the aim is to optimize for the number of upvotes you receive
 
Thanks!
 
part of the problem with is that all the challenges are answered much the same way; the actual goal of the challenge doesn't matter much, the same underhanded techniques tend to be usable regardless
apparently, part of the problem is also that the challenges attract a huge number of low-quality answers :-(
 
10:47 PM
Once you've seen a few questions you've seen them all.
 
I understand your former point. As for the latter, is that an issue when those answers can simply be downvoted to oblivion?
 
it makes it harder to find the good answers (note that vote count is not a good way to find good answers; good answers are rarely negatively scored, but they only score only 0 or 1 because nobody got to see them)
 
That's fair
 
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Q: What to do about widely disliked questions that don't technically break any rules?

ais523Sometimes a question is posted that widely disliked (often due to being too easy, or being excessively arbitrary, or playing around in a space that's been mostly comprehensively covered without actually being a duplicate). These tend to get downvoted heavily quickly. However, they also tend to g...

 
@ais523 my viewpoint is that VLQ is horribly broken flag, and almost all of them should be reviewed as looks ok. Unless it's blatantly NAA (doesn't contain code, very clearly violates a rule, etc.) That answer is terrible, but I don't think it's necessary Invalid. It's the equivalent of a really badly golfed answer, which I don't think should necessarily be handled with flags.
Especially since in this case looks like it outputs Pascal is very subjective (a problem with the challenge)
 
I Really want VR.SE to be in the commit stage, but there aren't enough questions for it yet...
 
Link?
 
@ATaco does it also encompass AR?
 
Yeah, Hold on, let me get the link.
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Virtual and Augmented Reality

Proposed Q&A site for questions relating to products such as the HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Microsoft HoloLens, and other Virtual / Augmented Reality devices.

Currently in definition.

 
I'd like to voice my opposition to esolangs.stackexchange; I don't think it'd have enough of a community (the existing esolangs communities already struggle to have useful content), and most of the questions there would be ontopic at SO (e.g. the "brainfuck" tag at SO has 596 questions)
 
11:21 PM
@Riker: Please never edit a post from the low quality queue; there's a bug in SE that causes the post to gain an unremovable downvote
 
Isn't that only with VLQs?
 
it's only with LQAs, specifically
with a VLQ the post gets a downvote but it's removable
this is totally backwards, given that PPCG has a ton of useless LQA flags, whereas actual VLQ flags are normally given for good reason
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Q: Community should not autodownvote "low quality" autoflags cleared by edits

DoorknobConsider: User posts an answer. Community autoflags it as "low quality (auto)." (This is frequently a false positive.) User edits answer after 5-minute grace period. (Or perhaps someone else edits the answer.) Community sees the edit and obediently marks the "low quality (auto)" flag as helpful...

 
Man this is even stupider than I thought
 
I just bountied that question because I really feel like something needs to be done about it
there's a new user on 19 reputation rather than 21 because they made a tiny mistake in formatting their first post
 
It beat the current Haskell answer too.
 

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