The Nineteenth Byte

Check Out Tomato

04:02

a.pop returns nil if array is empty, so I can just a.pop || 0

Pavel

In java that's a compiler error

Check Out Tomato

Yeah, but Ruby is awesome, so there's that

ATaco

@CheckOutTomato Loops make, well not much sense.

Check Out Tomato

?

How

ATaco

Well, where does test get it's input, and how does the program know what test output?

Check Out Tomato

04:09

Every loop, the test is performed, then the top of the stack is checked. If it is truthy, the loop continues. If it is falsey, the loop ends (breaks)

Pavel

Peek or pop?

@CheckOutTomato So, no actual need for a seperate condition block

Check Out Tomato

@Pavel Huh?

Test is what is before the colon. Loop body continues after the colon.

Pavel

Pls provide example of loop

Check Out Tomato

eventually I will end up with a compiler that just translates Tomato to Ruby, then runs the Ruby code.

One sec, let me write one.

0Ydo{La:paY}

@Pavel Counts down from number to 0

This is... definitely an esolang. :)

ATaco

yodo		# Read from STDIN a number
-1no 		# This will be the incrementer, so lower it by one
pa			# Duplicate the top of the stack
1no 		# But leave the other two as the original number.
pa			# Twice
{-1nupupapu-2no:# While the decremented bottom of the stack is truthy, leaving one of them on the top of the stack
	2no		# We subtracted two from that incrementer before, so that it would skip 1. Undo that.
	zo		# Modulus
	(to)?		# if the top of the stack is 0, thus, this is a factor.
	("AHHHHH, NOT A PRIME"Yo)

That should theoretically check primes.

Pavel

04:16

Ok, does {:Y} print the stack (or until it gets to something falsy)?

ATaco

If it's a prime, there's no output, otherwise, there's potentially server "AHH NOT A PRIME"s printed.

Pavel

@ATaco +1 for yodo

Check Out Tomato

@ATaco Syntax errors all over the place.

ATaco

I'm writing it as I read the spec.

You get me an interpreter, I'll get you code.

Check Out Tomato

Comments are `text` not #text

#text only works on the first line, to allow for shebangs

ATaco

04:19

Why

Check Out Tomato

hey, if you want me to do that

i can allow the comments to be # on every line

should I?

Pavel

Why not

Check Out Tomato

parsing

Pavel

The way eLisp does it is it's a comment if it's the start of a line.

Check Out Tomato

I can just delete all \n#.+\n

Mistah Figgins

04:20

@Pavel reeeally needs to be yoda instead

Check Out Tomato

thanks pavel

ATaco

It can theoretically be yoda without any problems.

Check Out Tomato

@Pavel yes

...no

it ends up printing half the elements, since the loop pops the test's result

Pavel

o

ATaco

Oh,the loop is poppy?

Pavel

04:22

{:aY}?

Check Out Tomato

something like {pa:Y}

Pavel

no wait that's silly

ATaco

yodo				# Read from STDIN a number
-1no 				# This will be the incrementer, so lower it by one
pa					# Duplicate the top of the stack
1no 				# But leave the other two as the original number.
pa					# Twice
{-1nupupapu-2nono:	# While the decremented bottom of the stack is truthy, leaving one of them on the top of the stack
	2no				# We subtracted two from that incrementer before, so that it would skip 1. Undo that.
	zo				# Modulus
	(to)?			# if the top of the stack is 0, thus, this is a factor.

Pavel

Is there a way to print the stack? You can't distinguish 0 from empty.

Mistah Figgins

{pa:y}up

Check Out Tomato

04:22

Pavel

@MistahFiggins Syntax error, unfortunatly.

ATaco

We can't add vowels to constructs.

Check Out Tomato

@Pavel I replaced the goat with a test for empty.

Pavel

Coolio

{goto:Y}

Y and y should be switched.

What will you do more often, print or take input?

ATaco

Take Input, you don't own me

Check Out Tomato

04:26

No idea, but that will break all existing programs.

Pavel

>_>

Anonymous

I don't think changing your username to promote a product is really appropriate for SE

Anonymous

Even if it's a non-commercial, open-source programming language

Mistah Figgins

Riker

nice photoshop skillz

ATaco

04:30

I need to give RProgN a logo.

Pavel

Can't be open-source if there is no source

Mistah Figgins

@Riker MSPaint lol

Pavel

@Mego It's been like that for a couple days, unless mods can change usernames it's not fixable for a month.

Anonymous

@Pavel Mods can change usernames, and have done it in the past for certain cases

Check Out Tomato

@Mego I can't really see a problem with it...?

Pavel

04:33

There is also the fact that it's not causing any issues, yes.

Anonymous

Changing your username to promote a product is borderline spam imo

Check Out Tomato

I was only going to keep it like this for a month.

@Mego "Product"

It's not like I changed my username to "Inexpensive Computers"

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem I answered your VBDay in Jolf. 7 bytes behind lol

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien I was literally just typing a message about that lol

Conor O'Brien

xD

now I need to study for my chem test tomorrow. o/

DJMcMayhem

04:39

Your Jolf begrudgingly wishes V a happy birthday! Made me literally burst out laughing. :)

Conor O'Brien

:D

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem I've been trying to learn Emacs Lisp today just so I can answer that challenge.

@CheckOutTomato Someone needs to draw an ASCII art tomato

                   ,
                  /.\
                 //_`\
            _.-`| \ ``._
        .-''`-.       _.'`.
      .'      / /'\/`.\    `.
     /   .    |/         `.  \
    '   /                  \  ;
   :   '            \       : :
   ;  ;             ;      /  .
    ' :             .     '  /
     \ \           /       .'
      `.`        .'      .'
        `-..___....----`

nvm, found one.

Check Out Tomato

05:15

let me design one

ATaco

That looks like a Pumpkin.

Pavel

@ATaco As far as I can tell, it is the only Ascii art tomato on the internet.

DLosc

06:11

@DJMcMayhem Happy birthday, V! Now in a month and a half, I'll have to come up with a birthday challenge for Pip. Hm...

Check Out Tomato

DAE ever change their password, then type the new one accidentally?

Pavel

06:33

@CheckOutTomato you should make a way to apply multiple vowels to a consonant.

Qwerp-Derp

07:00

Hello

Qwerp-Derp

07:11

Is it possible to have a loop in 1D cellular automata?

DLosc

@Qwerp-Derp Well, there has to be something akin to a loop, at least, for Rule 110 to be considered Turing-complete. But I don't know what that would look like exactly.

Qwerp-Derp

So, like a "clock" of repeating states, which doesn't stop or evaluate to anything.

I'm not sure if those exist, because altering one cell alters all the cells next to it as well

Destructible Watermelon

hi I need help with a thing

Check Out Tomato

@Pavel That's supposed to be one of the difficulties, and what makes it an esolang. You can't just apply one vowel.

Destructible Watermelon

so, say I have 1/11, and 3/32, I add the numerators and the denominators for 4/43. how would I write this as a function?

in proper maths

(/ spreadsheet maths)

Qwerp-Derp

07:21

@DestructibleWatermelon What do you mean "in proper maths"?

DLosc

@Qwerp-Derp If you're looking for a periodic configuration in an elementary cellular automaton, those are pretty easy to come by. (E.g., have a rule where 010 -> 1, 110 -> 1, 011 -> 1, 101 -> 1, 111 -> 0 and give it an initial configuration of 01010: you get a period-2 oscillation.) If you're looking for a periodic configuration in a Turing-complete ECA, probably a lot harder.

Qwerp-Derp

@DLosc Nah, just this is fine. Thanks!

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp no awful hacks

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleWatermelon I'm still confused... do you want a MathJax thing or what?

Or like an Excel formula?

DLosc

DestructibleWatermelon-- Let me paraphrase to see if I understand what you're asking. You have two rational numbers, x and y. Let x = a / b and y = c / d. Are you asking for a formula in x and y that results in (a + c)/(b + d)?

Anonymous

07:29

@DestructibleWatermelon I'm assuming you want decimal input/output. For rational numbers, there are two cases: terminating decimals and repeating decimals. For terminating decimals, it's easy: write the value as a fraction with denominator 1, multiply by 10/10 until the numerator is an integer value, and reduce by dividing the numerator and denominator by their gcd. For repeating decimals, there's a well-known method.

Anonymous

So then you have a, b, c, and d (where x = a/b is the first input and y = c/d is the second input), so you can compute (a+b)/(c+d).

Anonymous

Now to get a formula for that algorithm, you just have to combine the various steps together

Anonymous

The method for computing the numerator and denominator of a repeating decimal works for terminating decimals too, so you don't even need the distinction between the two

Qwerp-Derp

@Mego What langs do you usually program in?

Anonymous

@Qwerp-Derp Python, C, JS

Qwerp-Derp

07:33

In unrelated news, I made a sidebar thing in Clojure and CLJS!

Destructible Watermelon

@DLosc yup

Anonymous

@DestructibleWatermelon The trouble with that "addition" scheme is that you have to restrict it to reduced fractions, or else the "addition" of any two values could be computed as their arithmetic mean

Matthew Roh

'eyy wassup bois

DLosc

@Mego cc: @DestructibleWatermelon Note that this is an algorithm rather than a function. I doubt there's a closed-form formula for it.

Destructible Watermelon

wait of course I realise the issue now

what I asked for is actually impossible

because no way to tell the difference between 1/2 and 2/4, and no way to make the weighting work right...

Anonymous

07:41

@DestructibleWatermelon It could work, but, like I said, you'd have to restrict it to reduced fractions

Destructible Watermelon

yup, but thats entirely useless for my purposes

I asked stupid question.

Qwerp-Derp

09:07

Doing Zanada even though it's really old :(

For anyone who's played it, I'm currently on level 11 now

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat That's why I alias rm="echo \"You can't use rm\" #"

ATaco

alias rm="echo \"You shouldn't have done that.\";rm -rf / --allow-root"

New Sandboxed Posts

09:53

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Clock Game Twelve people are arranged in a circle like the numbers of a clock. 12 11 1 10 2 9 3 8 4 7 5 6 One of these twelve people is the chosen one while the other eleven are not. You will ask each of these twelve people whether or not the...

betseg

10:04

@KritixiLithos then how do you remove stuff

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg alias kkjjhlhlab="unalias rm"

betseg

Wow

G B

10:25

/bin/rm

Lembik

can someone help with this argument ? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/111613/…

please

Jan Dvorak

That's ... an interesting loophole abuse.

Lembik

yes!

G B

No, it isn't

Jan Dvorak

Is it an uninteresting one then?

G B

10:33

This is almost identical to my answer

Which I had to change because of a similar comment

If a method is not static, then the object it's called on is an argument.

Lembik

@GB please add a comment :)

although the person is being downvoted to oblivion too I see (not yet by me)

G B

He has to learn it the hard way. :-)

As I did.

Lembik

I am not sure Check Out is a boy's name :)

or Check?

G B

Read his profile.

Actually, I think he's just trolling. :-)

Lembik

:)

I am still not sure which answer I am meant to accept

if it's really the shortest one then it seems I am not needed as the system could do that

flawr

11:45

@Riker talk about math/science/anything other than ppcg :)

New Main Posts

13:19

0

Q: 'Press any key to continue' in Java

Your goal is to create a program displaying Press any key to continue and as soon as any key is pressed with or without the exception of ctrl, alt, caps lock, etc, program should terminate. Language used is restricted to ONLY java. 7, 8 or any of its version is allowed.

java

Erik the Outgolfer

@NewMainPosts Too late.

LliwTelracs

It was still open for a few seconds after New Main posts submitted it

Fatalize

Ninja'd by Dennis by 11 seconds…

AdmBorkBork

I like how because the post is tagged java that the "Related" links are things like Code Bots 4, or Battle of the Fellowships

Erik the Outgolfer

14:03

That's because KOTHs often require the use of Java.

AdmBorkBork

14:26

lol, I'm really tempted to link this challenge on CR and direct them to write it as a code-golf challenge here

New Meta Posts

0

Q: Can I use static initializer in Java for code golf?

Here's an example of a static initializer in Java. It is possible to launch a program without a main method in Java using a static initializer and it's way shorter. It doesn't work on ideone.com but in command line or in my IDE, my code in static is executed even if I have no main. The JVM throw...

discussion

Poke

@NewMetaPosts I predict he's using Java 6

Pavel

14:51

@Poke You still use 7

Poke

I don't see how that applies here

Fatalize

15:10

What a missed opportunity for rep for me :(

Riker

hahaha

Fatalize

On the upside I got 20× more visitors on Brachylog's repo after that answer was posted, so I can't complain

DJMcMayhem

Wow. The V question was really well received. It got like 20+ votes while I was asleep

Riker

:o

AdmBorkBork

a) it's a milestone achievement, and folks are upvoting for that, and b) it's a pretty nifty question in and of itself

Matthew Roh

15:27

Eyy wassup bois

(Maybe I should quit talking like this :\)

Riker

prolly

>_>

Matthew Roh

The number 6 somewhat resembles delta (a greek letter)

New Meta Posts

0

Q: Should Java Applets include HTML in the byte count?

I'm curious whether or not the HTML required to run applets should be included in byte count. Also what's the current standard for counting bytes with applets? In Eclipse if I recall correctly you can run applets without HTML, however in other IDE's you need the HTML.

discussion code-golf

AdmBorkBork

δ 6

Eh, kinda?

DJMcMayhem

@MatthewRoh it also kinda resembles a backwards Eth: ð

Matthew Roh

15:30

I thought it kind of does resemble each other

Downgoat

interesting brain bork

6

Riker

big big jpg

pls no onebox

is spazzing out my ipad tho

Matthew Roh

@DJMcMayhem btw d in delta is pronounced as eth

Riker

@Downgoat thx

Downgoat

@Riker It's JPG but done :P

AdmBorkBork

15:32

@Downgoat You brain borked BorkBork

Pavel

@Poke Update your Java

Matthew Roh

BorkBork is BrainBorked so its now BrainBorkedBorkBork?

Ehh, Its becoming a tongue twister

Poke

@Pavel It's mostly that I prefer not to golf with lambdas that I stick with Java 7.

I like having something that you can copy/paste and run

Matthew Roh

Δ + ⊙ = Illuminati..?

DJMcMayhem

Woah. Dr Seuss's birthday was March 2nd. That's hilarious

Matthew Roh

15:38

Really

btw Dr Seuss is a creator of some memes like the lorax

DJMcMayhem

s/memes/books s/some/many

Of course I know who Dr Seuss is

Erik the Outgolfer

A cat which knows Dr Seuss: normal.

Matthew Roh

Is /dev/random/ just machine noises which somewhat resembles a random number generator

Riker

no

it's a random number generator

Matthew Roh

:\

Riker

15:44

but yah if you don't read it right then it goes wonky

Matthew Roh

Then what's the difference from random and urandom?

Riker

tl;dr: one "blocks" when low entropy (random does)

which makes it less secure for many purposes

somebody linked an article a while ago (on the starboard), look around there

Dennis

Define secure. The data from urandom isn't actually random.

Poke

@Dennis eh? in most cases it provides high quality randomness

Matthew Roh

So TL;DR: Both gets data from entropy, but urandom doesn't wait for high enough entropy, being not totally random-ish?

Dennis

15:48

@Poke High quality or not, pseudo-random is not random.

Poke

it's all pseudo-random

it's being done in a computer

iirc random and urandom both use the same CSPRNG

Matthew Roh

iirc Entropy is a source which generates random data, like the noises by the machine itself?

Poke

2uo.de/myths-about-urandom

you only need to worry about the csprng being properly seeded right after boot while you're still gathering entropy

Matthew Roh

However its true random is more random-ish than urandom

Poke

how

Matthew Roh

15:53

There are applications for urandom and for random, but we cant (for now) prove which is more random :P

Dennis

@Poke But random uses only actual entropy gathered from hardware (e.g., mouse movement). I'm not saying urandom isn't secure (with 256 bits or entropy and a good PRNG, you can get all the pseudo-random data you'll ever need), but that doesn't make it random.

Matthew Roh

So the difference is entropy vs prng seeded with entropy?

Poke

a prng is random enough when properly seeded except when you're actually defining "true random"

hardware like mouse movement isn't random

there are tendencies for that

Erik the Outgolfer

If it gets down to human level, yes.

But even slight differences when repeating tendencies generate different entropy.

So I could as well assume human level is random enough. Hackers obviously couldn't know what physical tendencies a human has anyways :)

Matthew Roh

Actually we should rethink what we define as random

True randomness may not exist

Poke

16:00

i basically said that already >.>

Matthew Roh

What we think as random may not be random

TuxCopter

@Poke It actually is, as mouse movement is influenced by a lot of external factor

Matthew Roh

Even human made randomness may not be random

TuxCopter

And if you want true randomness from hardware a mic would work pretty well

Poke

just because you don't know the pattern or algorithm doesn't mean it's random

Matthew Roh

16:01

Nothing should be defined 'true' random

Poke

^

TuxCopter

Background noise from a mic is random

Erik the Outgolfer

Nothing should be defined "random" at all.

Matthew Roh

Prove it

Erik the Outgolfer

A dice roll? It depends on external factors, such as throwing force, friction, other forces.

Matthew Roh

16:02

(Not you, erik, but tux)

Erik the Outgolfer

Oh. I intended to put that after my message anyways though.

Matthew Roh

Okay then :)

AdmBorkBork

@MatthewRoh random.org/randomness

Business Cat

A die roll may not be truly "random", but it is unpredictable in most circumstances

TuxCopter

The output of a micro isn't predictable as the output is influenced by different natural factors which are unpredictable.

Erik the Outgolfer

16:06

Unpredictable by human intelligence does not mean truly random though, there can be constant complex patterns that just bork your mind down.

Poke

random != unpredictable

betseg

you cant predict something thats really random

TuxCopter

> Randomness is the lack of pattern or predictability in events.

Matthew Roh

What I meant is, human made things may not be random, we have to use truly random factors such as the nature

Poke

> made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision

Christopher Peart

16:08

I need a goat meme and fast

Matthew Roh

So, mathematically: random => unpredictable?

TuxCopter

Yes

Matthew Roh

Random things are unpredictable, unpredictable things may not necessarily be random

TuxCopter

@ChristopherPeart go on imgur for that

Erik the Outgolfer

Nope, otherwise it would be random <=> unpredictable, which it isn't.

Christopher Peart

16:10

They had no goat memes

just pictures of these adorable goats

Business Cat

But there is a difference between what humans can predict and what is predictable by math

AdmBorkBork

@MatthewRoh But the definition of random is that it's unpredictable ...

Matthew Roh

GOAT means Greatest Of All Time

@BusinessCat true

Erik the Outgolfer

@ChristopherPeart google.com/search?q=goat+meme&tbm=isch

There are some memes there.

Poke

@AdmBorkBork i don't think that's true

TuxCopter

16:12

@Poke Yes it is

Erik the Outgolfer

random: unpredictable by any means

Matthew Roh

@AdmBorkBork the definition of unpredictable is not that its random, its just not predictable

Poke

picking a random number 1-10 you could choose the number two 100 times in a row

if i saw a run of 2's like that

i would predict another 2 unless i had more information

Business Cat

Given enough trials it will happen

Assuming it's truly random

Christopher Peart

imgflip.com/memegenerator/59815316/Proud-baby-goat

Erik the Outgolfer

16:13

If you see 100 2s in a row you will probably start to question the generator...

betseg

given enough trials 100000000000 twos in a row will happen

Poke

6 mins ago, by Poke

> made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision

Matthew Roh

So you mean like a thunder striking the same place 10000000000000 times in a row? Hell no.

Poke

That's what random is

Christopher Peart

imgflip.com/i/1kpp4g

Grr why no onebox

Poke

16:14

doesn't mention predictability at all

Christopher Peart

The Nineteenth Byte onebox theory states: "If you don't want a onebox you gonna get oneboxed. If you want a onebox you will not get a onebox"

Erik the Outgolfer

Citations (^)?

AdmBorkBork

@Poke That is literally what predictability is. If something is happening with a method then that means it's predicitable.

Matthew Roh

If something is made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision, it would be truly random. However, no man could do that (Not even random or urandom!) so nearly nothing should be random

Poke

predictability is just the ability to be predicted

a prediction is an estimate or guess of something happening

there doesn't need to be a method

Erik the Outgolfer

16:18

Even nature has methods.

Christopher Peart

@EriktheOutgolfer I am the citation

Erik the Outgolfer

If you are making a theory yourself, you need to prove it too.

Haunted

@Dennis

Matthew Roh

@AdmBorkBork Ohh boy, a typo

@Haunted ._.

Haunted

sorry that was a typo.

AdmBorkBork

16:20

@Poke That's the rub, then. You're using the English definition, not the mathematical definition.

Like the word "Theory"

Matthew Roh

Uhh, you're kinda breaking this "argument"

Poke

if you're given a function foo which, when called several times, returns the number 4 each time, is that a random function? It's predictable but it might also be random

Christopher Peart

@EriktheOutgolfer I posted a link that I wanted oneboxed. it didn't onebox

Poke

i guess there is a method, then

but it may not be the correct method

the method in this case is that i see that result a lot so it must be constant

Matthew Roh

Theres just typical types of hyperlinks which will be oneboxed

Probs upload on imgur?

Erik the Outgolfer

16:23

Oneboxing isn't a general thing, it only works for specific websites.

Poke

pretty sure oneboxing works with picture extensions

Matthew Roh

@Poke having 4 a thousand times doesnt mean there won't be a 5 somewhere

Erik the Outgolfer

Imgur will work, but then it would be better to just use the "upload" button next to the "send" button in the chatroom directly.

Poke

@MatthewRoh exactly

it could be random and predictable

your prediction might be wrong, though

Matthew Roh

Uhh, what? You're confusing me

AdmBorkBork

16:24

@Poke But that's not what "prediction" means as a mathematical term.

Poke

my argument is that randomness and predictability are not the same

Matthew Roh

If a prediction is wrong do we call it a proper 'prediction'

Haunted

Hello everyone. I am very fascinated looking at the codegolf challenges and in particular the awesome answers. The thing that fascinates me more is the way you guys think, the algorithms that you guys apply, it just wows me. I am looking forward to start involving in the golf challenges.

Can you guys please guide me on what is that I need to focus more on solving these challenges. Is it Mathematics? Algorithms? Data Structures? If there are books to build my base on these subjects, that would be awesome too.

Poke

@AdmBorkBork in math terms you can't evaluate a black box function as predictable or not

you need more information

Haunted

I am sorry if my grammar is not correct or my question sounds stupid.

Erik the Outgolfer

16:26

I would say that you can't determine if a black box function in mathematics is what you think it is.

Matthew Roh

@Haunted The specs of the questions are most likely stated in the questions

Poke

@Haunted personally i've seen a lot of challenge answers that benefit from knowing a lot of mathematics

Christopher Peart

@Haunted Lotta math. I have links to some easy oones

Poke

not including those, it's about knowing the ins and outs of the language you want to use

Christopher Peart

Easy challenges that is

AdmBorkBork

16:28

@Haunted A good understanding of math algorithms (and how you can apply those algorithms in new ways). Also, understanding the language you're using and reading the tips on that language.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Haunted I go with maths too, personal experience shows.

AdmBorkBork

@Poke Uh, right. And?

Haunted

@Poke - Thank you. I have started re-learning Mathematics and I am taking course on Python.

@ChristopherPeart - Thank you, Chris. Easy ones as in easy challenges?

Matthew Roh

Yeah, I agree that math is very, VERY important in generally coding

Poke

@AdmBorkBork so that doesn't help/hinder my argument at all

Christopher Peart

16:30

@Haunted yes

Matthew Roh

We could teach math if you please

AdmBorkBork

@Poke This argument is dependent upon the function being a black box. Thus, mathematically, it has to be non-predictable, and is therefore random.

Haunted

@AdmBorkBork @EriktheOutgolfer - Thank you so much guys.

DJMcMayhem

@Haunted Welcome to the site! :) There's also this page, for some good starter tips

56

Q: Tips for golfing in <all languages>

The aim of this post is to gather all the golfing tips that can be easily applied to <all languages> rather than a specific one. Only post answers that its logic can be applied to the majority of the languages Please, one post per answer

code-golf tips

Christopher Peart

http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/107709/press-any-key-to-continue
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/109865/notcalc-calculate-the-wrong-answer

Haunted

16:32

@MatthewRoh - You can teach maths?

Christopher Peart

two easy challanges

Haunted

@DJMcMayhem - Thank you so much DJ. :) Appreciate the help

Matthew Roh

@Haunted Well, yeah, I'm not really anyone to really teach math but I can if you please

Haunted

@ChristopherPeart - Thank you so much. Appreciate the help on the links.

Matthew Roh

I'm just an ordinary middle school student which learnt a lot

Haunted

16:34

@MatthewRoh - Any good book should be fine. You are kind. Thank you.

AdmBorkBork

@Haunted The other thing -- just start in and answer a challenge! Challenges that already have a lot of answers tend to be easier (in general), so they may be a good way to begin. In general, we Assume Good Faith and allow duplicate answers, so don't feel afraid of coming up with a solution that's similar to an existing one. Don't copy an answer verbatim, however, that's a social taboo.

Matthew Roh

You don't need to learn that much, people here tend not to put calculus or some hard as heck math in their questions

Haunted

@AdmBorkBork - Thank you. I will start very soon. :)

@MatthewRoh - Sure. Thank you. :)

Everyone, you all are very kind and helpful. Thank you again.

Matthew Roh

No problem, just ask here if you don't know something about a challenge

Also we have a meta to discuss about the site

Christopher Peart

@Haunted if you want to post a challenge post it in the sandbox first

I made the mistake of not doing that

Matthew Roh

16:40

Me too, 15 dislikes is a PITA

Christopher Peart

@Haunted codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/102618/… one I wrote that is pretty simple

@MatthewRoh CC: yeah that is the one I did first

It took a meta post and a lot of discussion before it worked

Matthew Roh

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Wait did we tell him about the 'legendary' tetris challenge

Christopher Peart

No I don't think so

Lets not

Matthew Roh

Sure

CalculatorFeline

Will that ever really start up again?

Matthew Roh

16:53

I don't know

But CA golfing is a thing now, thanks to that question

Riker

@Dennis I was under the impression that is was still more secure to use urandom

betseg

bash added the PS0 variable that resembles zsh's feature

i couldnt find that feature in zsh

Dennis

@Riker Again, what you mean secure?

Matthew Roh

Does secureness matter in RNGs

@Dennis prolly 'advanced' or 'random'?

Riker

@Dennis more random

bad word choice

@Downgoat why do you always manage to do very bad things to files

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Matthew Roh

16:58

Now that windows put bash in themselves, did linux dominate windows or is it the other way

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