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5:00 PM
@Riker Because.. rm rf
 
yeah but he's also the one that rm -rf'ed his OS
or maybe only the kernel i don't remember
 
It was AvocadOS
 
no, this was his tf2 server iirc
 
@Riker random and urandom use the same entropy pool. The difference is that random blocks when the entropy is exhausted, while urandom uses a PRNG to stretch the available entropy. As long as the the PRNG is cryptographically secure and the implementation isn't vulnerable to side-channel attacks, urandom is as secure as random, but it cannot possible be more random.
 
Umm what
 
5:01 PM
in PPCG TF2 Server, Dec 24 '16 at 2:23, by Downgoat
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No I only deleted the kernel
in PPCG TF2 Server, Dec 24 '16 at 2:23, by Downgoat
apparently you can just apt-get install the kernel
@Dennis hm, okay thanks for claering that up
 
Were we talking about entropy attacks this whole time
I think not
 
@Riker >_> not my proudest moment
 
@Riker That doesn't mean you should prefer random over urandom though. random's blocking will stall your entire application if the entropy pool is exhausted, and a malicious application (no special privileges needed) can essentially DoS random by simply cat'ing it.
Hence my question what you meant by secure.
 
My question is, could we really get infos like mouse movement by extracting the entropy?
 
5:06 PM
No. The entropy is hashed.
 
@MatthewRoh Probably not, I don't know the details but the sources are probably xorred together or something like a one way hash
shit ninja
 
Yeah they prolly hashed it to a sequence of some numbers or something
There are free ddns services but they dont offer tlds like .io or .xyz
 
@Downgoat you've posted that earlier?
 
@Dennis Could you please unfreeze the Crayon chatroom when you get a chance?
Wow, suddenly there's a crowd in there :P
 
Idea: Babel plugin to convert objects into ES6 Maps
 
5:17 PM
:\
 
@Dennis hm okay
@muddyfish do'nt think so?
 
@Downgoat Wouldn't be hard
 
@Downgoat :D #neverforget
 
@Riker like a couple of months ago
 
ah ok
obtw @Downgoat can you restart tf2 server it crashed
 
5:21 PM
Oh oops sorry
 
@Riker What's a standard?
Stick-shift?
 
manual transmission
@DJMcMayhem yeah
 
I've never heard it called that. Huh
 
that's because only america uses automatics
 
@Riker XD (btw server started)
 
5:24 PM
Hmm
 
kk cool
 
I drive manual
 
> america
@DJMcMayhem oh well yeah
I didn't say the inverse was true
 
@DJMcMayhem O_O TIL america still has
 
 
5:27 PM
In general, you have to specially request a manual transmission here in the States when purchasing a new vehicle. Automatic transmission is technically an option (and thus an upcharge), but it's practically common.
 
@Riker I am Lorde, yah yah yah
 
yep lol
 
@Riker Still says she's 20 for me
 
@DJMcMayhem Only reason I know who Lorde is.
 
5:29 PM
@ETHproductions hm, bad rev then, I was just trying to find the source
your'e right tho
 
I actually really like her music. Other than royals, Pure Heroine is an awesome album the whole way through
I usually just skip over royals, haha
 
Royals is the only song by her that I've ever heard
(Other than Green Light now)
 
I don't dislike her music, but I wouldn't have heard it in the first place if it wasn't for South Park.
I also have to thank South Park for making me watch Game of Thrones.
 
lol
do you like GoT?
@DJMcMayhem lol
 
I watch it religiously.
 
5:32 PM
lol
 
I don't watch TV at all
 
hands @Riker a code challenge
 
wot
wot i do this time
 
@Riker GoT misrepresents animals when the dragon killed the goat herd. Very disturbing scene 0/10
 
.oO(Is it still TV if you watch it on your computer?)
 
5:32 PM
lol
@Dennis yes
 
I think I stopped watching TV around the time I started playing Dota.
 
@Pavel I stopped watching TV an eon ago lol
i just Hulu / Netflix things after the fact :p
 
Interesting. Should affect PPCG given how many gold users we have
 
yah
 
5:33 PM
I don't really use YouTube, but I played Green Light once and now it's giving me tons of suggestions for Ed Sheeran songs
 
Youtube plans to launch a service to stream TV content through their pages, but it's pretty overpriced
 
@JanDvorak still probably cheaoer than comcast
 
I'm voting to close Shog9 as a duplicate. — rand al'thor Jan 6 at 1:15
 
It's more expensive than my TV+landline+internet service
 
Hahaha
 
5:35 PM
or, on par, rather
(but I don't have 10 000 channels, so...)
 
I have basic cable only because my Internet is cheaper with it (as a bundle) than without it (by about $5 / month). I never watch it and it's not even hooked up.
 
Since I actually pay for my own internet now, I'm really curious what you all pay
 
Mine is about $115 / month after taxes and fees and whatnot, for 150Mbps down / 30Mbps up
 
o_O Woah
I just pay 30$/30 Mbps
 
Yeah. I get impatient.
 
5:41 PM
about $60 for 60 mbps + tv service for me
with twc/spectrum
 
I wonder how much Google's thing costs.
 
what thing
google has things???
;p
 
My apartment complex provides basic cable, and I never watch TV anyway, so I only got internet
 
Google Fiber
 
ah
 
5:44 PM
Google Fiber is $50/mo for 100Mbps, and $70/mo for 1000Mbps
 
Wow. That's crazy good
Very fast and very affordable
 
My parents, living out in the sticks of northern Minnesota, where the closest town is about a 15 minute drive, have fiber Internet/TV/phone
just because they happen to live next to the highway that the fiber travels, and so their splice is like 50 feet
 
lol
 
@AdmBorkBork :O this is 1/3 price of stupid comcast
 
lol
 
5:46 PM
I think that if I lived somewhere with Fiber access I'd pay for 1Gbps internet.
 
The only problem with 1000Mbps Internet is that many places you'd download things from don't support that speed on their end
 
ye
 
hmmmmmm... worth it.
 
5:48 PM
@Riker I've actually had really good experiences with Comcast so far. They set me up in like 20 minutes and were really friendly and easygoing. Nothing shitty yet
 
hm okay
 
@DJMcMayhem Are you in an area with multiple ISPs by any chance?
 
@Riker painfully accurate
 
Yeah, Comcast and CenturyLink.
 
Comcast is great. Until you need to talk with their customer service.
 
5:51 PM
@DJMcMayhem See? They're nice because you have the option of going to CenturyLink. Many areas don't have options so Comcast can be as shitty as they want without losing business.
 
Yeah, that would make sense
I really want fiber here. That would be awesome, even if I didn't end up buying it, everything else would improve too
 
Yep.
We can only dream.
 
:( my area is never getting fiber
 
Woah, no way. Denver has fiber, that's cool
 
it's all really really old infrastructure
my house is like 60 years old
 
5:55 PM
Seattle doesn't have fiber ;-;
 
your'e in seattle?
 
Redmond
Which is near Seattle
 
@Riker Mine is 165 :P
 
I bet Seattle will get it. It's a big enough city it makes sense
 
That, and everyone I know would be willing to pay obscene amounts for 1000Mbps internet.
 
5:57 PM
@ETHproductions does your internet go down when it rains ;p
@DJMcMayhem yeah
 
@ETHproductions Whoa, where do you live?
 
the wilderness?
 
in a very old village in upstate NY
 
that works too
 
Denmark has many old houses
 
5:59 PM
@KritixiLithos btw do you speak danish? or just englis
 
A bit-ish. I understand more Danish than I can speak
 
If anyone wants to help design a golfing language, I need some opinions on this
 
But then I haven't really used Danish much in recent months since the international school I moved to doesn't have Danish as a compulsory language
@ETHproductions For a moment I thought you were talking about a spoken language instead :P
 
oh haha
fixed :P
 
@ETHproductions Submit to time capsule plox
 
6:03 PM
@DJMcMayhem mind if I edit that into a pinnable message?
 
@Pavel I've been considering that
 
but I've been working on-and-off on designing this language since the autumn of 2015
so I don't know if it's fair to submit it
 
Was it in a usable state back then?
 
No, not at all. I didn't start the interpreter until last fall. It's still not usable yet (though it should be in the next few days)
 
6:07 PM
Then if you get it usable this year, it counts.
 
@MartinEnder Sure, go for it!
 
I have been designing Carrot since November of 2015, but I submitted it anyway since it was most likely not TC, too many interpreter bugs made the language very unusable for big things (but to be fair, it still isn't TC yet)
 
Alright then, I'll do it
Done
 
I think that's the first time I've ever had a message pinned in TNB
 
Hmm... it seems you're also thinking about writing up a regex engine, I was thinking the same about Carrot too
 
6:10 PM
lol
 
Where are the responses collected, btw?
 
I have a spreadsheet, one sec
 
You can hopefully add another "Yes" soon.
But the feature creep is real.
(Which is basically my own fault by effectively turning feature creep into a design goal...)
 
Ooh, exciting.
 
@ETHproductions does it have like full roof or does rain come into house when rains (sorry probably ignorant question >_>)
 
6:16 PM
@Downgoat It's not like the house was built 160 years ago and then no one ever made any repairs :P
 
6:33 PM
@Pavel I have a language I most developed last summer but never really did anything with. Can I submit it?
 
@Pavel can I change my submission to Cheddar v2
 
6:48 PM
Oh wow, I didn't realize how many recent esolangs I've seen on PPCG are entries to this time capsule
Threead, Del|m|t, Bean, People's Python...
 
Wait, TPP is a time capsule submission?
 
Yeah, Riker submitted it
 
Oh, cool
 
I need to work some more on my language
Y'all keep inspiring me
 
It's a vicious cycle, but without the viciousness
"The Circle of Inspiration"
 
6:52 PM
@ETHproductions ^
 
@DJMcMayhem yah pavel asked me too
 
@DJMcMayhem +1 illegible freehand text all over computer-generated text
I'll get that fixed tho
 
@ETHproductions "???\nTyPo."
 
@DJMcMayhem No, not a typo ... the code is only executable via GET or POST methods. :p
 
@Riker You forgot the . after TYPO :P
 
6:54 PM
wot u say m8
I see no lack of .
 
@KritixiLithos It must have been a typo
 
Pretty sure that's a lowercase "y" also
Maybe even a lowercase "o"
> TyPo
 
I'm going to start spelling it "tpyo" now
 
lol
@KritixiLithos happy now?
 
Also, it started with a circle. The real message was •???\nTyPo.
 
6:55 PM
Where the heck is the code for the website tho...
Oh right, gh-pages branch
 
@DJMcMayhem more like o???\nTyPo.
can't edit anymore tho
 
Should be fixed now when ghpages updates
 
Wait, it looks like a miniature d underneath the second ? :P
 
lel
 
Oh, good point. That's distinctly not a filled-in circle.
 
@AdmBorkBork but non-predictable doesn't imply random... i thought we said that already
 
Woo, cracked the top 50 overall on the site
 
nice!
 
grats
 
 
7:10 PM
> I now use a MacBook Pro with OS X (or occasionally Ubuntu, depending on my mood and levels of paranoia).
 
@betseg +1
 
@KritixiLithos #macOS4lyfe
 
@Riker ...wow
 
Rod
@Riker TFW you're golfing and Dennis shows up
9
 
exactly
lol
 
7:17 PM
Here's a good one from the article betseg posted:
> When they hit eleven, give them a plaintext file with ten-thousand WPA2 keys and tell them that the real one is in there somewhere. See how quickly they discover Python or Bash then.
6
 
> As my lead technician likes to state, 'the problem is usually the interface between the chair and the keyboard.'
4
xD
 
@KritixiLithos if I ever have a kid, I'm totally doing that
 
3 starred messages from a single article? im glad i posted it :D
 
@ETHproductions there is an acronym for that one, PEBCAK
 
Wow. I have a question with 40 votes in a day, and an answer with 19 votes in a day. I could have rep capped from either post alone.
 
7:23 PM
@LliwTelracs Oh.... I finally can fully understand this
 
It is one of the phrases related to user error. PEBKAC/PEBCAK, PICNIC, ID-10T error
 
0
Q: Rotating a 2D Matrix (NOT 90 degrees)

StepUpI've puzzled over this not usual task for a days to figure out an appropriate algorithm. I have a 2D Matrix, of dimension MxN. And I should rotate the matrix n times. Let's say I have the following 2D matrix: int[][] jagged = new int[4][]; jagged[0] = new int[4] { 1, 2, 3, 4 }; jagged[1] = new ...

 
^ That should really be reposted as a proper challenge
3
 
@DJMcMayhem actually nope, the answer needs 1 more vote ;p
unless it's accepted
but it's at 20 now so
 
@Riker it's at twenty now
Ninjad
 
7:31 PM
ninja'ed
double ninja'ed
 
@Riker also, self accepts don't give points. :P
 
true
 
Which now that I've improved and I look at it again, it's terribly golfed.
 
Anonymous
@DJMcMayhem That's really neat. We need to organize a dupe-link cleanup at some point
 
So from what I have found, the full adjacency matrix for trackety track has a size of 331776*n^2 if you account for all possible combinations of rails.
 
7:47 PM
@DJMcMayhem nice answer badge coming ya way
 
@Riker I actually just golfed 33 bytes off
 
:o nice!
 
Poor irb.
 
:D finished editing that question into a challenge (cc @Cyoce, @Rod)
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Q: Rotating a 2D Matrix

StepUpLet's say I have the following (2D) matrix: [[1, 2, 3, 4 ], [5, 6, 7, 8 ], [9, 10, 11, 12], [13, 14, 15, 16]] Rotate the matrix counterclockwise twice (not in 90 degree increments, just by 1 number each time), 1 2 3 4 2 3 4 8 3 4 8 12 5 6 7 8 -->...

 
@Riker Nice!
 
7:52 PM
thanks
it would also be interesting with n rotations, not just 2.
 
@Riker Do you really think that it should be tagged Linear Algebra
 
not sure
 
Rod
@Riker good :3
 
@WheatWizard I tagged it as that because it features transformations of matrices
 
I would say no personally
 
7:54 PM
I think it doesn't hurt, and is somewhat applicable
 
@Riker maybe limit the matrices to integers? It would make answers more comparable between dynamic and static typed languages.
 
@Riker I don't think it makes much of a difference, just another input vs. a hardcoded value
 
yeah
also: @mods please clear comments? flagging them also
 
It says gh-pages successfully built my site, but it still is not updated
 
yah, #blamecaching
@DJMcMayhem hey would you mind deleting your first comment on that question? it's been edited
 
7:59 PM
Thanks @thethreerandompeoplewhoupvotedmycrazyoldvimanswer I'm waaaay over the cap anyway, but I appreciate it still. :)
 
lol
 
Whoa... GreaseMonkey updated my copy of the PPCG userscript as soon as I committed the changes on GitHub
 
lol nice
@Dennis as the resident julia expert now that alex left, is it possible to have a 2d array? everytime I try it collapses into a 1d one
 
wait alex left?
 
he's apparently just really busy IRL
not pingable in chat
> Last seen Feb 6 at 5:58
;-; bye bye birdie
 
8:03 PM
@Riker sure, just a minute
 
kk
 
Done
 
thanks
 
@ETHproductions What update?
 
I just fixed a bug where the automatic leaderboard ignored a header that included the word "Bytes"
 
Anonymous
8:12 PM
@Riker Yep, being a grad student takes a lot of time and effort
 
stupid case-sensitive regex
 
@Mego I thought he was working?
 
Anonymous
He probably is working too
 
Anonymous
But last I heard, being in grad school is occupying a lot of his time
 
It's definitely not
 
8:15 PM
hm okay then
 
And it's not fully specified. Should have been sandboxed...
 
it was edited from a general programming question into a challenge, and it's a first post, give OP some slack
 
Anonymous
@Riker But you did the editing...
 
yeah, but I had what was already specified to work on
 
Anonymous
But you could've made it clearer
 
8:17 PM
I can't make info up though
or I can, just havent' though
 
@Riker You voted to reopen it...
 
@Riker Your new test cases seem fairly arbitrary.
 
I tried to add more test cases according to what @PeterTaylor said
 
Anonymous
Feb 24 at 2:01, by Dennis
That clashes with our general don't polish turds philosophy. It doesn't matter for a deleted post, but visible ones may get bumped to the front page by edits, which is not at all desirable.
 
@MartinEnder ?
 
8:21 PM
if anything, I'd expect [1, 2, 3] to rotate to [3, 2, 1] (and then back to itself when doing two steps). But it's probably more sensible to exclude such cases from the challenge altogether.
 
@Downgoat You can make any number of submissions, so yes.
 
Your results are a weird edge case that has little to do with how you'd process almost-square matrices.
 
@Mego to be fair there is difference between polishing turd and turning it into a goat (or something else equally as magnificent)
 
@BusinessCat Sure, try to polish it up and improve it.
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat This message is completely meaningless
 
8:22 PM
@MartinEnder why?
 
because 2 is the centre and shouldn't move
 
[1, 2, 3] -> [2, 3, 1] -> [3, 1, 2]?
 
@Pavel Alright, cool. I know it's definitely not TC, so I might work on trying to make it so
 
@MartinEnder hm, I see what you mean
 
@Mego is this sarcasm or do you not understand my comparison?
 
8:23 PM
@Downgoat he's saying it's noise
@MartinEnder I was treating the single layer as it's own ring
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat I really don't understand your comparison. Bringing goats into it distracts from whatever you were trying to convey.
 
@Riker ok so bad comparison it is
 
yes
 
Anonymous
@Riker Please don't put words into my mouth (or my flippers, whatever).
 
I think he's saying goats are smelly. Like turds
 
8:24 PM
@Mego sorry
@Geobits o/, haven't seen you in a while
 
@Riker I can see that, but it's a weird generalisation because it breaks the symmetry of the operation
 
@Geobits Are you actually back now tho?
 
@MartinEnder yeah, I see what you mean
 
Nope. Just popping in
 
Anonymous
@Geobits ಠ_ಠ
 
8:26 PM
Rephrased: There is difference between polishing a turd and taking that turd and turning it into a piece of art made of gold
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat But that comparison doesn't make sense here, because the output is still a challenge that has major problems.
 
Yeah but I feel comparing it to a turd is a little harsh. (Not calling it work of art or anything but still)
 
@Downgoat, are you trying to say that @Riker is Chris Ofili?
 
wot
ok wait I googled him and I am not him thank you very much
 
Anonymous
8:30 PM
@Downgoat Not my words, though I agree with the sentiment and the comparison
 
suggestion for a new sort of code-golf challenge. You have to write code that compiles with godbolt.org and you are judged on the length of the assembly
thoughts?
 
@Lembik Those challenges would be language restricted
 
@Lembik C can just emit assembly manually, right? that would probably defeat the purpose.
 
@LliwTelracs yes I suppose so.. but in a way all challenges are
@MartinEnder I suppose you could write assembly inline in C?
oh that's what you said :)
well actually I am not sure it defeats the point.. the reasons to do it this way are a) most people don't like to code in assembly so it widens the audience and b) it's nice to have something online where you can test your code
@LliwTelracs do you think that's bad?
godbolt actually supports more than C
maybe it should be open to anything godbolt supports?
 
Assembly already gets used for some code golf challenges though.
 
8:44 PM
 
lol
@PeterTaylor @MartinEnder better now?
9
Q: Rotating a 2D Matrix

StepUpLet's say I have the following (2D) matrix: [[1, 2, 3, 4 ], [5, 6, 7, 8 ], [9, 10, 11, 12], [13, 14, 15, 16]] Rotate the matrix counterclockwise twice (not in 90 degree increments, just by 1 number each time), 1 2 3 4 2 3 4 8 3 4 8 12 5 6 7 8 -->...

 
"It is guaranteed that the minimum of M and N will be even." You still have a 3x3 example in your spec, as well as Riker's test cases which can now be removed. — Martin Ender ♦ 12 mins ago
 
removed those
 
A test case with repeated values is still missing.
 
8:59 PM
1
Q: Numbers that are palindromes in N bases

mbomb007Given an non-negative integer n >= 0, output forever the sequence of integers x_i >= 3 that are palindromes in n different bases b, where the base can be 2 <= b <= x_i-2. So for n=0, you get the output of this challenge, because you get numbers that are palindromes in n=0 bases. This is basical...

 
CMC: Given an input n, output an integer x for which x!=n or a falsey value if impossible.
 
Anonymous
@muddyfish What am I looking at?
 

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