The Nineteenth Byte

betseg

10:00 PM

@Avery how much did the domain and servers cost?

Avery

@betseg 5$ for domain. I own the server so price per site is low

@betseg I have a good plan I'll follow in a month that might help you too. Contact me or smth.

ckjbgames

How are we talking about of all things, sexuality, and then off-topic chatter, and now web domains. Web domains?

I know, weird.

TuxCopter

@ckjbgames TNB

Avery

@ckjbgames meta

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

[5 eur/month for the one server that powers vpn, sites, etc. scaleway.com]

I already typed that message out so I thought I might as well send it

Avery

10:03 PM

yeah

not just those. also seedbox, dns server, storage server and a few more stuff

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ also 5 eur not usd

Riker

almost the same tho

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

tfw when you have to choose between sending messages to someone publicly or privately

ckjbgames

Destructible Watermelon

because sheep use 8balls?

betseg

Riker

10:06 PM

@ckjbgames @Downgoat IT IS THE SHEEPS FAULT

betseg

^^Okay then

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

choose between messaging on discord or replying on SE

ckjbgames

@DestructibleWatermelon Probly!

Riker

SHEEP ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING WRONG CONFIRMED

2

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

It would be cool if it seeded the RNG with a sha256 hash of the question

ckjbgames

10:07 PM

@Riker x-files theme starts to play

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@DestructibleWatermelon this is a message from our commander in chief in the year of 2034

Avery

4 vs 3

tnb is weird

Riker

lol

Avery

@betseg something along the lines of "I didn't configure dkim and spf yet" and "check your spam box"

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@Avery huh?

betseg

10:09 PM

@Avery was just writing a reply

Jan Dvorak

Huh... my 8-ball puts blame on a floppy disk

ckjbgames

@Avery I suddenly respect you a lot

@JanDvorak lol

Avery

> responsible disclosure

Destructible Watermelon

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I don't get it

Jan Dvorak

After a couple retries, I got ... 🏇🌂 horse races in the rain?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

10:10 PM

@DestructibleWatermelon the commander in the chief of the US. It's a war.

muddyfish

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ does TNB have a discord server?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@muddyfish yes

@muddyfish talking through DM though

muddyfish

link?

Riker

1 sec

TuxCopter

Wait

@muddyfish discord.gg/4g5v8

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

10:14 PM

ninja'd

5

Dennis

@ckjbgames Here, usually.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

UnFizzBuzz FizzBuzz is so simple, bet you can do it backwards. In this challenge, you will be given the length of the FizzBuzz string and must give the positive integer that produced that string. Description To break this down, a FizzBuzz string for n is generated by the following rules: Sta...

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Jan Dvorak

Hey! Don't mention that guy

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem why doesn't this print 2i2i5?

ATaco

10:25 PM

Cursor is set to the last 2, not the end, for some reason.

TuxCopter

what?

A console instance from my WSL installation popped up and the connection magically works

Downgoat

@Pavel what does -v flag do?

ATaco

Verbose.

Dennis

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mınxomaτ

Oh thanks.

Anonymous

10:34 PM

@DestructibleWatermelon Please be considerate of other chatters. If there are other conversations going on, please do not interject comments that likely only you are interested in.

Destructible Watermelon

ok

Pavel

@Downgoat Replaces <esc> and the like with literal escape characters

Jan Dvorak

@Mego I'm interested in reading these

Anonymous

Then please take it to another room, where it won't disrupt other conversations

Downgoat

@Pavel ah

Destructible Watermelon

10:38 PM

@JanDvorak new room

Pavel

Without it the output would literally be 2i<esc>i52i<esc>i5

Anonymous

@DestructibleWatermelon If you'd like, I can move the previous message(s) there

Jan Dvorak

never mind then...

Destructible Watermelon

Dwarf Fortress

Time for some Fun

Anonymous

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Riker

10:41 PM

@Pavel what's i do?

Pavel

Enter insert mode

Anonymous

@Riker It's a name I call myself

Riker

>_>

ATaco

Mego, that's not very helpful...

Riker

@Pavel in V still?

ik in vim

but idk v

Pavel

10:42 PM

V is basically Vim tho

Mistah Figgins

@Mego Fa, a long long way to run!

Riker

and @Pavel ah that has to do with the cursor thing

V/vim does that by default

Anonymous

Glad somebody got the reference :)

Riker

places the cursor aat the second to last char

@Mego I did just didn't comment

mosly because I didn't remember any other lines >_>

TuxCopter

@Riker V is Vim + moar features

It's globally backward-compatible

Pavel

10:43 PM

@Riker Confirmed, Vim literally unusable

ATaco

HexEditor > Vim/Emacs

Anonymous

Great, you mentioned the language 3 times and summoned him

ATaco

Type in individual bytes with no regard for encoding.

TuxCopter

How to summon DJ in 3 easy steps:
1 - Say vim
2 - Say vim
3 - Say vim

DJMcMayhem

:P

Pavel

10:44 PM

1: Ping DJ

Mistah Figgins

say "How to summon DJ in 3 easy steps: "

ATaco

3ivim<esc>

Pavel

Seriously tho it there a way to get the cursor at the end when I use i?

@ATaco The <esc> is implicit in V

ATaco

But not in vim.

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel ATaco explained it well. If you switch it to I it'll work

TuxCopter

10:46 PM

@Pavel I?

Pavel

Ok, got it.

ATaco

I don't remember explaining it at all.

Maybe I should see a doctor.

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel a goes after the cursor position, A goes at the end of the line

Pavel

So what's the difference between a and I?

DJMcMayhem

I enters insert at the beginning of the line

(not quite, but close enough)

Whoops, I didn't read your message course enough

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

10:50 PM

@TuxCopter you forgot the part with the candles and the cross and the lamb's blood

Mistah Figgins

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ "goat's blood" FTFY

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

down*

I wonder how the asterisk arose as a way of saying "should be" or "edited"

Jan Dvorak

I guess IRC

ATaco

"Online Chatrooms"

So likely, IRC.

user165474

quora.com/… This might help, but might also be some thing some kid made up.

Jan Dvorak

10:56 PM

or perhaps it's related to the (entirely opposite) practice to denote incorrect phrases with an asterisk.

user165474

However, on SE chat, you could just edit your messages.

Pavel

@AlexL. TBH sounds like it's something made up. I could have sworn it's been around longer than that.

Jan Dvorak

@AlexL. I call BS on that one

user165474

@Pavel @JanDvorak Yeah, as I said, it's probably just something some kid made up.

ATaco

That, is entirely fake.

Markdown'd chat is much newer than correcting messages via a *

Pavel

10:58 PM

I just read a pop-science book by a respected author. One chapter, and much of the thesis, was based around wildly inaccurate data which traced back to ... Wikipedia. To encourage people to be on their toes, I'm not going to say what book or author.

user165474

Seems legit.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@JanDvorak I mean why * and not another symbol

Anonymous

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Because footnotes

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

* is common among younger audiences in shitty services like hangouts

ah

many younger audiences have not yet adopted new internet terminology

user165474

I guess it's because it's at the top of the space it fills, so it's less intrusive than if I were to write %I meant this

ATaco

11:00 PM

"New internet Terminology"

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

there is a certain civilized subset of internet speak, which include afaik, imo, imho, ninja'd, good spelling and grammar and more

Pavel

I personally prefer the TNB way of correcting: s/foo/bar

ATaco

^

Also, ^ is a full sentence, which roughly translates to "Yes, I agree with the message preceding this one"

Pavel

Alternatively, Ans (TI-Basic) or % (Mathematica)

user165474

I thought it meant just referring to the message above it by x amount where the referral is '^' * x, so I could say ^^^ I agree

user165474

11:02 PM

But that's probably wrong.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@ATaco is a verb and it has an implied subject and self-punctuates

Pavel

x{n} means "I agree with the message n messages above this one.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

never seen that used

Pavel

You can also say, for example, "I agree with ^^^"

user165474

Or, your could say "I agree with message 35543701"

Pavel

11:04 PM

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You have, you just didn't realize what it meant.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

in that context it is an auxiliary noun

@Pavel that's "it'd be funnier if it was"

or to point out an edit that is of interest

@AlexL. or <reply> I agree

user165474

*were

Pavel

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ That is also a use for it, yes.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@Pavel from my expeirience that's the main use

user165474

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Yeah, but sometimes the reply points to a message below it (because that totally makes sense...) if the actual reference is very far above it.

Pavel

11:05 PM

Eh...

user165474

Wait no, that's only if you use the '@' sign to refer to a user.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

that is if another user replies to that message

we haven't really created a medium for quickly written text-only communication until the 21st century

or a medium for doing such to total strangers

user165474

Now we just use Discord and give up on typing altogether.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

to a certain extent, it's an art

metaphors, figurative language, careful use of emoticons

all must be employed to communicate sincerely and form a deep connection

Try forming a deep friendship with someone solely through text

note how I capitalized that last one to provide a subtle emphasis and a command-ish attitutde

you must choose, "period or no period?" and "capitalization or no capitalization?". On a short message like "no", it can have a big effect.

user165474

I've done that once... I mean, we knew each other from class in Grade 8 but we hardly ever actually talked (in fact we're chatting through Google Hangouts as we speak here on TNB).

user165474

11:12 PM

Yeah. Saying "no" can be interpreted in many ways, depending on if you say "no...", "no", "No!", "No.", etc.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AlexL. [off topic] you should suggest moving to discord

:)

having someone who shares ideas is nice

the textual also brings many benefits

user165474

Yeah, probably. I actually really don't like Google's design, but it's used so much and also used by my school board so I can't really avoid it. I should suggest moving to discord though.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

like multiple conversation topics with the same person in parallel

tag an "[off topic]", you can explore that conversational branch now

@AlexL. I've done it with 2 friends, 2/2 moved

user165474

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Nice. 10/10. (binary :P)

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

:P

":L" has no well defined meaning

sources conflict on its meaning

don't use it

user165474

11:14 PM

No, I don't think it does.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

you have several other options

Pavel

I don't think :L has any meaning, well-defined or otherwise.

user165474

Everyone overuses lol nowadays... (not literally everyone).

Anonymous

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ There are much better descriptions than "cancerous"

Anonymous

Please choose one of them

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:15 PM

I've seen people use :L

user165474

Very much in agreement with Mego.

Pavel

"Abhorrent" is my go-to.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@Mego It is not to describe the word, but one already knows the meaning and I'm simply trying to trigger the meaning

user165474

Ethan (one of my friends who likes using weird words like "expunge") would like that word @Pavel

Anonymous

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I don't recall inviting you to debate

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:16 PM

@Mego I didn't either.

(not trying to argue here)

muddyfish

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noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

but must you vary your choices

Anonymous

Really? Because it really seems like you're trying to argue.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Really.

Anonymous

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user165474

11:17 PM

Realistically, the word "cancerous" is quite offensive when used to describe things that aren't really related to cancer, but it's such a common term now that most people don't even think about it before using it.

user165474

Going off-topic here though.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

cancerous as in it is a virus that spreads in popularity and it harms

Pavel

Cancers aren't viral diseases at all

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

one person uses it, another adopts it as part of their speech without thinking

@Pavel ik, but that's how the word is often used

Mistah Figgins

That doesn't change what cancer actually is

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:19 PM

[a little off topic] a word is not what the word means on paper

user165474

On Wordnik, it says that cancerous can mean "growing to the extent of harm", but I am still in disagreement of the use of it.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

but how people use it

user165474

Not really, though it depends on whether you favor perscriptivism or descriptivism.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

there are different dialects of the online language

a word might mean different things different places

user165474

Neither is necessarily better than the other, but perscriptivism is where everything is as defined and descriptivism is where grammar and the language itself heavily evolves over time, which is what's happening. Nevertheless, I still prefer a different word choice.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:21 PM

"London company hires emoji translator" nods head in dismay

user165474

Actually? That's both really funny and really sad...

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

the typical definition of slang:

> Slang consists of a lexicon of non-standard words and phrases in a given language. Use of these words and phrases is typically associated with the subversion of a standard variety (such as Standard English) and is likely to be interpreted by listeners as implying particular attitudes on the part of the speaker.

yes real headline

they should've hired an internet speak documenter

there's tons to do in that field

and it's legitimate

user165474

Given how much emojis (emoji? emojis? idk) are used nowadays, I guess it isn't all that surprising.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

"London company hires translator specializing in a subset of Unicode Code Points when used in particular contexts"

@AlexL. emoticons are a civilized man's emojis

But slang on the internet often expresses body language

user165474

I don't really get it: what's the difference between an emoticon and an emoji?

Pavel

11:23 PM

An emoji is one character

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AlexL. emoji: colored unicode char

Pavel

And emoticon is inline ascii-art like ಠ_ಠ

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

emoticon: several unicode chars, often made up of punctuation

user165474

Very helpful. Thanks.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

":)" is also emoticon

you have to explicitly acknowledge that you heard someone online

it doesn't happen naturally with a nod and eye contact online

user165474

11:24 PM

Everyone seems to exchange them, so I never actually figured it out myself.

user165474

Yeah, I agree.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

not really

@AlexL. (how meta)

user165474

Okay, at least, I never saw a clear pattern

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

I use "nod" to do such to indicate I am online and reading messages when someone is saying something over multiple messages and it's a DM

user165474

Darn, I have to go now. Read the first character of my last few messages though, you might see where I was trying to go. Nice talking to you though!

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:25 PM

I hate it when services expand my emoticons into emojis

@AlexL. ping me when you're online next, we can continue this discussion :)

Talking to and making friendships with intelligent and thoughtful minds online is always nice

(not saying this is an example, but it could be)

a random incident leading to a long term friendship

Mistah Figgins

@AlexL. Oh geez

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

"Give you" then what?

(logo of app avery and I are building, phote)

Mistah Figgins

cool

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

I made it

I'm very proud of myself

I'm not the artistic type, I'm bad at drawing

but I messed with my computer long enough to create that (program = sketch)

silent gif: g.redditmedia.com/…

grappler police bumper

Yes, it's real and they actually sell that. policebumper.com youtube.com/…

Mistah Figgins

11:44 PM

Wow, that looks like it belongs in a police chase scene from an action movie

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

It does!

#rejectedfrommaxmaxbecauseitwastooinsane

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Stop posting random nonsense.

Anonymous

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Jan Dvorak

rushes to post a meta question about @noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ's gibberish

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