The Nineteenth Byte

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

12:01 AM

Thought Experiment: How would TNB be different if there wasn't the starboard?

ATaco

12:13 AM

Actually, I figure it'd be quite different.

Quite a lot of what I say is dictated by the chance I might get stars.

Anonymous

@ATaco That's really not a good thing

ATaco

It's hard to deny it.

There's a difference between actively starbaiting, and trying to get stars.

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ what does it do

@ATaco doing that kinda ruins the point of starboard

unless it makes you want to post specifically on-topic and meaningful messages so they'll get started

DJMcMayhem

12:37 AM

@TuxCopter I know this conversation is old, but just FYI V is not globally backwards compatible. There are a few minor/obscure features that have changed

TuxCopter

But most thing still works in V

DJMcMayhem

Generally, yeah

Dennis

12:59 AM

→ 8 messages moved to Trash

Avery

@Riker genderfluid not really, but maybe questioning. Also, queer is a yes.

Riker

ah

Avery

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I actually tried that before

in The Bridge, Jun 2 '16 at 16:32, by ardaozkal

(emoji names also work)

I wonder how it'd look on ubuntu though.

TuxCopter

Ubuntu supports Unicode so it should work

Avery

unicode yes, color emoji no

also ubuntu isn't necessarily network manager.

TuxCopter

1:03 AM

I think every sane network manager supports internationalized SSIDs (So emojis should work)

Dennis

There's nothing sane about emoji SSIDs.

4

TuxCopter

But about supporting non-latin scripts yes, so it probably uses UTF-8 which means emojis

Avery

compiling

uploading

Anonymous

We really don't need a play-by-play

ATaco

Windows 10 Supports Coloured Emoji.

Avery

1:08 AM

aaaaaand my wifi display is having issues as always

7 mins ago, by Avery

ATaco

My apologies, just came back from the loo, picking up the conversation as I go.

Avery

Will test in ubuntu in a bit, but ios seems ok with it

TuxCopter

This capital I with a dot is weirdly bugging me

ATaco

Ì

TuxCopter

İ*

ATaco

1:12 AM

International keyboard lets me type any kind by a standard dotted capital I.

Í Î Ì Ï

TuxCopter

Nah you typed an I with a grave. The I with a dot is İ.

Pavel

You can use the unicode thing for joining diacritics, and stick a . on anything

Avery

İ bugs me too

so does ı

ATaco

Sadly, I lack the joining characters on this keyboard.

Avery

şğüöç too

ATaco

1:14 AM

I need to download the Jelly Keyboard.

TuxCopter

@Avery Those diacritics are ok as they are pretty common in some languages. But the İi/Iı distinction is weird.

Pavel

@ATaco That is the international keyboard.

ATaco

Nope.

Pavel

Every Jelly character is typeable on it.

ATaco

Not any of the Dot Characters on the US-INTL keyboard.

Nor any of the Hooks.

Pavel

1:15 AM

Dennis lied to me.

ATaco

He didn't notice.

He's not using US-INTL, I think he's using a different INTL.

TuxCopter

Ûʂé ɐ çɔɯṕȯʂè ĸɘý

Pavel

How's that work?

Dennis

@ATaco You just have the wrong one. Which OS is this?

ATaco

Windows 10.

TuxCopter

1:17 AM

You setup a key (like right alt) to 'compose' characters

ATaco

Also, Windows 10, No compose key...

Dennis

Jelly and windows don't mix.

TuxCopter

Ie Compose+e+' = é

ATaco

But...

TuxCopter

@ATaco github.com/SamHocevar/wincompose

^ This thing is wayyy too cool

ATaco

1:18 AM

Yeah, I was launching my Compose AHK

Although it's not perfect, it lets me type ḡ ɨ ə ķ Ḑ and such on windows.

TuxCopter

Huh ɡ and g aren't the same character

Matthew Roh

'Eyy wassup bois

TuxCopter

Just talking about Unicode and emojis in SSIDs

Matthew Roh

huh

Pavel

How do you use compose to make a character upside down?

TuxCopter

1:23 AM

@Pavel Depends on the letter

Matthew Roh

Don't ya worry, we have a character table

ATaco

I also wrote an AHK to type Emoji, too.

💩

TuxCopter

I only have ♥ and it's not even technically an emoji

Christopher Peart

This is super weird

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

4 hours ago, by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Random, but I'm building an app with her.
What it does is; Some people like to take a photo of themselves every day and turn it into a video. Basically it helps you do that

TuxCopter

1:25 AM

?

Christopher Peart

My mom and dad are gone on a trip. And it really makes me feel confused

Matthew Roh

The emoji community just loves japan.

ATaco

❓

TuxCopter

‽

mınxomaτ

@ATaco Don't make that a habit.

Christopher Peart

1:25 AM

And I don't know how I feel now that it is bedtime

ATaco

Don't plan to.

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter You you don't encourage yet another noise chain.

Matthew Roh

Theres even an emoji of japan!🗾

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ That's not noise. That's a genuinely intriguing response.

TuxCopter

@MatthewRoh That's because emojis are japanese.

And there's this too: 🕴 (Man in business suit levitating)

Matthew Roh

1:26 AM

o_O

TuxCopter

Why Unicode, why

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ ah, interesting

@TuxCopter blame-japan

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Is it just me or are there are a lot less users in the top box since recently?

ATaco

Emoji are kind of interesting, with their joiners and such.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@TuxCopter you realize that some actually had to write a five page report on why that should be included, right?

ATaco

1:28 AM

👨🏿 (Probably wont render correctly on some devices) is two characters, 👨 and then 🏿

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Yes and it's just sad

Matthew Roh

is-it-just-me-or-everyone-tends-to-put-messages-in-tags

ATaco

Families are like, 5 characters.

TuxCopter

@MatthewRoh it-s-just-you

Matthew Roh

@TuxCopter oh-really

ATaco

1:29 AM

👨‍👨‍👦‍👦‍ is 👨j👨j👦j👦‍ where j is a ZWJ.

TuxCopter

@ATaco Someone needs to make an esolang out of this

Matthew Roh

ok-lets-stop-there-its-getting-noisy

ATaco

There's Emojicode, but that's not using it to it's fullest potential.

Matthew Roh

Wait. I found the best emoji set for an esolang.

clock emojis.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

TNB is getting emptier and emptier, I think mainly because of the overreaction to noise

several users have already left

TuxCopter

1:31 AM

Isn't there an esolang where the command executed is the system clock at the time of execution of the command?

ATaco

That one family, is 28 Bytes

TuxCopter

I don't remember its name though

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

you can pitch the SE logo into unicode by writing a proposal and formally sending it to them

TuxCopter

I don't think it would get accepted

Matthew Roh

oops

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

1:33 AM

probably not

Matthew Roh

forgot shift enter doesnt work in mobile

Anyone knows how to newline on mobile?

TuxCopter

You don't

Matthew Roh

Oh wait, Hackrs keyboard works

/=====\
|=====|
|=====|
\=====>

ATaco

Can't use ` multilined

TuxCopter

Indent with four spaces to monospace
a block of text

Matthew Roh

1:35 AM

There we go

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

unicode.org/alloc/Pipeline.html

Matthew Roh

Uhh

Why did I put a > there instead of v

/=====\
|=====|
|=====|
\====V/

user165474

@MistahFiggins Did you figure out the hidden message? :D

Matthew Roh

Much better

Mistah Figgins

Yeah...

user165474

1:39 AM

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Hey there. You want to switch to discord instead of TNB?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AlexL. Sure. Add me on &.#6081.

Matthew Roh

Wasnt there a discord TNB

LegionMammal978

I...

Wha...

I don't even understand this anymore

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

this emoji exists:

LegionMammal978

For reference, this was on my old Outlook email that I never use

Matthew Roh

1:42 AM

discord.gg/YZJu5 here you go

The Discord TNB server

ATaco

I hope you identified that email as a Phishing scam.

Christopher Peart

Some kid on a stream keeps donating money

He is up to 80 bucks

He is like 10

LegionMammal978

@ATaco I know, but still...

Christopher Peart

No joke I checked his youtube channel

LegionMammal978

They aren't even trying

Matthew Roh

1:43 AM

Google people doesnt send emails with something like excite.it

LegionMammal978

Nor with the wrong font on their logo

New Main Posts

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Q: I'm a palindrome. Are you?

There have been a couple of previous attempts to ask this question, but neither conforms to modern standards on this site. Per discussion on Meta, I'm reposting it in a way that allows for fair competition under our modern rulesets. Background A palindrome is a string that "reads the same f...

LegionMammal978

Nor from "Gmail Support"

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

ATaco

Right font, just old, and rich text, which google has never used, they've always used an image.

ais523

1:46 AM

@Dennis: based on your deleted answer (which I can't comment on because it's deleted), I found a solution in five bytes; I'm not quite sure what the protocol is for answers that are based on other people's incorrect answers

ATaco

I think the biggest tipoff may be that View Messages is spelt with a capital I

Riker

that qualifies as noise.

ais523

agreed

Dennis

@ais523 I've already undeleted mine.

Matthew Roh

Yeah i know

ais523

1:48 AM

also it's completely different from mine (because it's completely different from your old one)

I guess having both in the thread will be worthwhile

Dennis

Sure.

Riker

why did I get a downvote on my palindrome answer immediately after I posted it?

ais523

@Riker did you edit it? if so, it's likely a well known bug in the autoVLQ script

mınxomaτ

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

ais523

it should be undownvoted if someone upvotes it

Riker

1:52 AM

@ais523 no

Dennis

I suspect this is the reason:

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/110582/…

Riker

ah, I missed a requirement

taht's why

ais523

ah right, I hadn't looked at the actual answer

ah, and Jonathan Allan's answer is closer in spirit to mine; I guess I won't post it, three Jelly answers, including two which are fairly similar but different, would be excessive

mınxomaτ

3:19 AM

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

Helka Homba

Is there a word for integers above 1?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@HelkaHomba That's a good question.

DJMcMayhem

Not to my knowledge

I'd just say integers above 1

Helka Homba

I guess "prime or composite number" technically works but that's just more confusing

ATaco

A series I enjoy is squares of primes.

Because they're the numbers with only three unique factors.

Downgoat

3:34 AM

Okay I did another thing

does that look alright?

I dunno about the gray/black contrast

Helka Homba

> Verizon

no :p

Downgoat

ikr

ATaco

It doesn't look right, the name isn't "Downgoat"

Helka Homba

@mınxomaτ chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35546459#35546459 doesn't seem any worse than chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35542790#35542790 (not that I think either is really an issue)

mınxomaτ

I wasn't around for the latter. I didn't want to former to further escalate.

ATaco

3:37 AM

I feel the mods are Trash happy today.

Downgoat

@ATaco random question: do you like black, refried, or Pinto beans inside you?

ATaco

That's an awfully lewd thing to ask a Taco.

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New Main Posts

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Q: Expand Exponentiation

Given two integers greater than one, A and B, output four mathematical expressions in this order: The plain expression A^B (A to the power B). e.g. if A = 2 and B = 3, 2^3. The expansion of A^B in terms of repeated multiplications of A. e.g. 2*2*2. The expansion of A^B in terms of repeated addi...

code-golf math number arithmetic

mınxomaτ

@ATaco If it's quiet so be it. It's absolutely not necessary to post random bold text just for the sake of it. Considering that CP has had multiple warning kicks today alone.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat refried beans are (usually) pinto beans

Downgoat

3:39 AM

@HelkaHomba ik but usually they are smashed and have spices and stuff

ATaco

I'm not saying whether or not the trashing is justified, it's not my place to say it. I'm just saying there's an above average amount of trashing today.

Downgoat

at least the way I make it

ATaco

The Tacos I make generally are bean Free, not that I'm not partial to a bean based Taco.

Helka Homba

@mınxomaτ No? I bet we could have had a lot of fun with Star Wars+coding puns, like...

Can anyone see the errors in the test cases R Kap is talking about? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/110596/…

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ I didn't observe a single kick today.

mınxomaτ

3:47 AM

Your timezone may vary.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ Hm?

@mınxomaτ it was a joke about "1 hour later... in a galaxy far far away"

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You have had at least two kicks in the last 8 hours.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ I didn't observe a single one, unless the chat page reload reloading itself counts as a kick.

Learn How To Be Transparent

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Can you create a chat room?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@LearnHowToBeTransparent for what purpose?

Helka Homba

3:50 AM

Recently banned people can't make rooms I guess?

Learn How To Be Transparent

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ for testing purposes. If you're kicked more than 3 times, you cant create a chat room. In fact, you can't even see that button.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

there's the sandbox

In my view, it wasn't random bold text.

Learn How To Be Transparent

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ well, i do hate the nesting

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Then let's put it this way: Your behavior during the last 10ish hours has prompted RO/mod action multiple times in one way or the other. I urge you to reconsider your posting habits.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ To be honest the habit I'm going to change is probably visiting here; and that's not in a passive aggressive context, I've deliberately tried several times to adhere to the rules on noise and all have failed. Whether it is my inability to not be nosy or the overstrictness of ROs and moderators, me coming here doesn't benefit anyone.

In the past month of ban, I've found other random strangers on the internet to talk to

And often more interesting

I'm following the model of other users- to slowly rescind from TNB

mınxomaτ

4:00 AM

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You actually have had massive improvements at times, I even told you so. It's not like you can't do well :)

Learn How To Be Transparent

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Who? Tell me. I can't find anyone interesting outside SE to talk to.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ I couldn't tell when I was and when I wasn't

that's a problem

And today I couldn't even tell when I was being kicked

[not related to this specific incident(s)] The number of members of TNB is dwindling. To be honest, this community may die if stuff doesn't turn around

@LearnHowToBeTransparent specific individuals

There is the bridge (chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/35/the-bridge) which I haven't personally been on, but they look less strict and idk if the discussion is on par

I tried hard as to even make a meta post asking for a concrete definition of "noise" only to have it closed as duplicate and with the dupe target not having answers

Helka Homba

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Link to that?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

-5

Q: What is considered "noise" in The Nineteenth Byte?

tl;dr We need to agree on what is or is not noise in The Nineteenth Byte. Room owners shouldn't determine the guidelines for noise. Nor should they have the burden of doing so alone. There are three types of discouraged content on The Nineteenth Byte: Pure noise Off-topic content Random cont...

discussion rules chat

wat

wtf why does chrome get 430ms in sunspider. Safari gets 267ms

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

4:12 AM

safari is indeed very fast and memory lightweight

wat

I thought chrome was supposed to be faster...

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

I can have literally 125 tabs open and have a fast computer

If you think it's worth it, VTRO my meta post. (Just letting everybody know that's an option.)

And getting banned for something your bot posted that was offensive that you neither believed was offensive nor intended to be offensive is ridiculous

I mean sure, the jokes were about some pretty depressing stuff (9/11, terrorism, trump, etc.), but did anyone get offended? Was it commercial content? Was it a keyboard mash? It doesn't fall into the categories of spam or offensive content, neither are there specific rules on Beep Boop Maggot.

Was anyone harmed by "BABY TERRORIST WITH GUN KIWI"? Yes, it's a bad joke, but was anyone actually offended by it?

That one triggered a 30 minute spam/offensive suspension

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ It doesn't matter if anyone was "harmed". It is the mods and RO's job to judge what is appropriate content. You can set your own rules in your own chatrooms, but if we tell you directly or by any measure that something doesn't belong here, it simply doesn't.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

You can't tell a bot what belongs or doesn't belong.

Bad terrorism jokes are bad terrorism jokes. They don't promote terrorism. spam/offensive ≠ spam/not appropriate

wat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I see you're back

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

4:24 AM

...maybe I should make a model trained off TNB messages moved to trash and put it in TNB main

wat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ want to get banned again?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

What do I have to lose, really?

wat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ the community?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

I already lost that

wat

no

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

4:26 AM

26 mins ago, by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@mınxomaτ To be honest the habit I'm going to change is probably visiting here; and that's not in a passive aggressive context, I've deliberately tried several times to adhere to the rules on noise and all have failed. Whether it is my inability to not be nosy or the overstrictness of ROs and moderators, me coming here doesn't benefit anyone.

17 mins ago, by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

I tried hard as to even make a meta post asking for a concrete definition of "noise" only to have it closed as duplicate and with the dupe target not having answers

wat

oic

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ well, El'endia left

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Or maybe I should make a model trained off of the starboard, highly ranked meta posts, the most prestigous and wholesome posts after applying an extraordinarily strict word filter and see if it gets kicked (it probably will)

@wat Note how few users there have been in TNB recently.

Two rows of users! Even on low activity times, there aren't so few

wat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I have 3

mınxomaτ

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ What do you even mean by this? This makes no sense. Inappropriate content will be removed, and users that keep posting it will be warned or otherwise dealt with.

wat

@mınxomaτ AFAIK @noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ means that the bot creates chat messages with an RNG and that he cannot control what the bot posts.

mınxomaτ

4:28 AM

What bot now?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

SanBot

over on Beep Boop Maggot

2016-2017

wat

12 mins ago, by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

And getting banned for something your bot posted that was offensive that you neither believed was offensive nor intended to be offensive is ridiculous

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

It will be remembered

wat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Great idea, just don't put it in TNB

also I think that I mentioned you on reddit

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

yeah you did

in Beep Boop Maggot, Dec 29 '16 at 22:04, by SanBot

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ The LORD said, My name is SanBot.

it gave us good heart laughs

@mınxomaτ on the particular model that attracted kicks chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/34451914#34451914

I'm restarting sanbot in beep boop maggo

This version has feelings. It measures the sentiment of messages and responds accordingly

wat

4:41 AM

> maggo

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

gimme a sec

ok done, sanbot is up

Sherlock9

5:27 AM

@wat El'endia left?

When?

wat

@Sherlock9 long time ago

(in a galaxy far far away)

Sherlock9

Huh. I haven't been on lately, but that's because of university. Who else has left? And where are they now?

wat

@Sherlock9 AFAIK no one else explicitly left

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ dude, you're responsible for anything your bot says. If I hack FBI or something I don't tell the judge my computer did it not me...

wat

@Downgoat yeah but if you have a machine learning algorithm running, it creates an AI, and then that hacks the FBI...

jk

Downgoat

5:34 AM

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ also, it's rather trivial to hard to filter inappropriate content with a list of blacklisted words from entering your model.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@Downgoat but I even put in a mechanism to disable it

!!disable

Anonymous

@ATaco We're happy to move trash to Trash, and there certainly has been a lot of trash

Matthew Roh

Eyy bois

Anonymous

sigh

Qwerp-Derp

maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2016/03/14/1290-paperwork

Matthew Roh

5:48 AM

Wait, Move trash to trash? That doesnt make sense to me

Pavel

@ATaco It would appear to coincide with the creation of three new ROs >_>

Anonymous

@Pavel There's more of us to deal with the noise now. That was kind of the whole point of the election.

Pavel

I don't mean it's a bad thing.

It's definitely a good thing.

But it does seem to be the explanation for more things being moved to trash.

Matthew Roh

We could do the chat mod elections in the elections tab, no?

Pavel

It's not an official election of any kind.

Matthew Roh

5:51 AM

Huh

I wouldnt say its unofficial though

Anonymous

SE runs the moderator elections. There's not a formal system in place for other forms of elections other than meta posts.

Downgoat

@Pavel I take it as a good sign. Symptoms are at worst before getting better (or before you die but that's not the point)

Pavel

TNB doesn't have a higher status than any other chat room.

@Downgoat I wouldn't say it's getting worse.

Downgoat

@Pavel don't forget SE has a habit of forgetting that we exist

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Pavel

That is also true.

Anonymous

5:53 AM

@Downgoat Who?

Matthew Roh

Could we see a preview of the new design?

Or at least the logo?

@Mego strawpoll

Pavel

@MatthewRoh One does not exist.

1 min ago, by Downgoat

@Pavel don't forget SE has a habit of forgetting that we exist

Downgoat

@MatthewRoh it's not to hard to circumvent its IP deduplication system

Pavel

SE is the only way to maintain anonymity and prevent voter fraud.

Anonymous

@MatthewRoh Strawpoll is a very poor choice. Like Downgoat said, its IP deduplication system is trivial to bypass, plus we'd get votes from people who aren't actually PPCG members/TNB users.

New Main Posts

5:56 AM

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Q: dot net programming task

INPUT: Your program should accept as its first argument a path to a filename containing a sequence of numbers (space delimited, range [0-99]). The file can have multiple such lines. e.g 2 0 6 3 1 6 3 1 6 3 1 3 4 8 0 11 9 7 2 5 6 10 1 49 49 49 49 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 OUTPUT: Please identify repeated ...

math

Anonymous

@Pavel Well, another system with open source, open data, and usage of the SE OAuth API would work. I'm working on such a voting system in my free time.

Pavel

Cool. I did not know SE had such an API.

Anonymous

Yep, it's pretty easy to use

Pavel

Though I suppose there isn't any reason for there not to be one...

Anonymous

The main hurdle I haven't yet worked through is the setting up of elections/polls

Pavel

5:58 AM

That seems like the easy part, if you don't need to set up a UI.

Matthew Roh

Oh

Anonymous

Well, setting up one election or poll isn't hard. Setting up various elections and/or polls on-demand is trickier.

Downgoat

@Mego SE Oauth seems to be broken from my experience and they haven't really shown much interest in getting it fixed

Anonymous

@Downgoat I've had 0 issues with it.

Matthew Roh

Does anyone properly know oauth

Anonymous

6:00 AM

@MatthewRoh Yes. It's not rocket science.

Matthew Roh

Oh really

Downgoat

@MatthewRoh yes, in fact I just setup OAuth server earlier today :P

Matthew Roh

Those OAuth URLs are a bit annoying

Or is it just hard

Anonymous

App gets a key from the provider. User opens app. App sends user to provider access grant page with app key. Provider sets up authentication and authorization with app key and user data. Provider sends user back to app with generated access token. App does what it needs to do.

Pavel

@NewMainPosts VTC it pls

Downgoat

6:02 AM

What I don't understand is why OAuth wants another request for app key from client ID instead of just returning app key

I mean, yeah, to verify whose making the request

Matthew Roh

There is this diagram

Which I dont understand at all

Downgoat

I've noticed in computer engineering people have a tendancy to explain things perfectly clearly to people who already know the subject but in absolute gibberish to people who don't :P

that chart is an example of such imo

Pavel

Basically, you login into SE, and SE returns a token. You give the token to the app, and the app can use this token to validate who you are witout seeing your password.

Anonymous

First part: App registers with provider and gets a unique key for the app.
Second part: User accesses the app, gets sent to the provider to tell the provider that they want to use the app. Provider sends user back to app with an authorized key.
Third part: App gets an access token from the provider that uniquely identifies the user without needing to know the user's login credentials on the provider.
Fourth part: App does what it needs to do using the access token to access private data.
Most of the stuff on the right is just for negotiating exactly what format those tokens and keys are in …

Matthew Roh

So, for example, facebook,

You try to register to a site with facebook

Then the site requests a token to facebook

And facebook gives back a token

And the site uses it to identify you?

Anonymous

6:11 AM

You skipped over a few steps, but yeah

Pavel

It's all very nice, and a neat system to make sure apps don't see your password. The problem is that an app might display someting that looks like the SE login screen, but actually just collects whatever you type in there.

Anonymous

The service provider will have an API that will provide the consumer with restricted user data when given an access token. OAuth (more specifically, OAuth2) is a method for getting those access tokens when authorized by the user.

wat

@Pavel hw much experience do you have with devveloping desktop apps

Pavel

Not too much, but I at least know it's possible to fake a "Sign in with Google" window.

wat

7:11 AM

I, for one, like Roman numerals.

betseg

7:33 AM

Oh, i didn't think that the Roman numerals for 1 likes Roman numerals :p

DLosc

8:02 AM

Any further feedback on this sandboxed challenge before I post it?

Pavel

SeemsGud

Question: If I rm a symlink, will it remove the file that it's symlinked to?

Anonymous

@Pavel No

Pavel

Ok good.

Anonymous

Considering that rm is a fancy version of unlink, it should come as no surprise that it does exactly what you want

Pavel

Ok, got it.

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8:28 AM

I'm training sanbot on tnb speech

Pavel

Quick post memes

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:P

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

8:59 AM

@betseg btw avery's around now (just letting you know)

Hi Everybody! Welcome SanBot. He'll be studying your behaviors to model you guys.

</semi-sarcastic>

Matthew Roh

I was inspired from this

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to do what?

Matthew Roh

Expand Knuth's up arrow notation

betseg

9:23 AM

@Avery i hope gmail isn't considered spam by your mail server?

Avery

@betseg I always disable spam filters

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9:55 AM

@Dennis can you give LampBöt write access to Beep Boop Maggot? Collecting 15 reputation is too time consuming. (this one will be based on TNB transcripts) codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/65704/lampb%C3%B6t

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