The Nineteenth Byte

A regular grammar will suffice here

@TuxCopter Why are the conjugations(?) of etre and avoir so weird

@wat because they are irrefular

> irrefular

9:08 PM

@wat because french

@wat that was joke ._.

@TuxCopter yeah I've noticed some strange things about French. Why are there so many silent letters??

But like

@wat Phonetic changes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You literally have to memorize 36 different words to know how to say is and has

@wat only 12 but that is not any better

9:11 PM

@Downgoat well, there's had, will have, was, will be...

I know of languages that have more complicated verbs...

@wat oh if you're other tenses those it's much more

English really has one of the most simple verb systems

there's also plus-que-parfait, present particple, passe compose, imparfait, futur anterior, future simple

and more

muddyfish

Wow. I actually knew of the existence of 4 of those

9:13 PM

dont forget subjunctive and conditional tenses

I chose the wrong language to learn -_-

I'm so happy I don't live in Ancient Greece: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_grammar_(tables)

btw @TuxCopter is Il était inspiré par les beaucoup de chanteurs anglais correct

@Luke true

(the etait inspire part)

9:14 PM

Nope

D:

please help correct

German is a nice language to learn IMO

“Il etait inspire par beacoup de chanteur anglais” maybe?

> etati

oh no not another one

Русский самый лутвый язык!

9:16 PM

@Pavel aaaaand you misspell best

Yeah, I don't read cyrillic

@wat ;-; I'm trying to learn the normal Russian keyboard

I've been relying on яверты

@Luke I do, I'm Russian. That says "Russian is the best language" with a typo in "best"

@Downgoat Nah that's a typo

@Pavel for some reason I always just use tlit.org

9:17 PM

@TuxCopter what about Il a été inspiré par...

that is what reverso say

like from human translation

Linux яверты has a в mapped to w instead of ш

Cries

What's the English phrase you want to say?

@Fatalize "He was inspired by..."

Il a été inspiré par works

ok cool thanks

what tense would that be called?

9:19 PM

why does doing a kernel upgrade on Arch mean that you have to restart your computer to load modules

Seriously, the Windows Russian Mnemonic Keyboard layout was great.

Il fut inspiré par if you want to be fancy

It works the same on Windows

No

Windows has яшерты, Ubuntu has яверты

I was replying to wat

9:20 PM

@Fatalize ah so passe simple?

Ah

@Downgoat I'm kidding with the passé simple, it works but don't use it

ok will not

betseg

kbd's layout for turkish keyboard had the pipe char on some obscure combination till i submitted a patch :D

@Downgoat Just passé composé

the verb is "être inspiré" in that case, and the auxilliary is avoir

9:22 PM

There should be a Mario esolang that uses pipe characters as a means of teleportation

muddyfish

what was MarioLang again?

I thought it did that

Nice try, but MarioLANG uses the pipe character as a wall

Does Java has something similar to Ruby's #{ ... } to evaluate code in a string?

String#format

ty

9:28 PM

@Downgoat It feels like you have French homeworks every day

@Fatalize I do

You get to experience French education then, great

@Pavel Yes.

new StringInterpolationFactory().setContent("yourString").interpolate( new StringInterpolationPointFactory().getPosition(new Point(0, 15)), new StringInterpolationPositionFactory().setValue(yourValueHere) ))

StringBuilder :-)

that's what scares me

this isn't a joke

it is actual class

9:31 PM

the f...

except it's not?

@quartata well it's close to stringbuilder

That's not what StringBuilder does, nor is what he was asking for involve StringBuilder in any way.

@Downgoat are you by chance interested in writing an interpreter and.or syntax highlighter for cheddar in the esolang IDE?

@quartata Of course it's what string builder does

9:32 PM

I've never actually run into StringBuilder

@MartinEnder retina does not seem to like windows CR/LF any suggestions?

@Downgoat A StringBuilder is just a mutable string

yes

new StringBuilder().append(x)

@Pavel ... how?

9:32 PM

It was pretty easy

@quartata new StringBuilder(yourString).insert( offset, yourOtherString )

however that is inserting

That's for inserting at an offset.

youll need to add another class to determine a delimiter in which to replace with string

I cringe everytime I see ten lines of string += string;

@Fatalize That gets optimized into a StringBuilder anyways too

9:33 PM

@Fatalize especially inside a for loop

@Downgoat ok now I know you're trolling

new StringBuilder().append(x) is just ""+=x

@RohanJhunjhunwala use Unix newlines :P

no im serious java teacher had us create such a class

we had a chapter on strings

Yeah, as an assignment

Not to actually use.

9:34 PM

@MartinEnder what If I;m on a windows machine?

@Pavel more like x :P

@quartata no not as test

@Downgoat solution, just dont trust college board.

AP CS is unfortunately not a valid source of atual knowledge

@RohanJhunjhunwala Then you're probably using notepad++, in which case you can set the line ending in the settings.

java scary lets all just use cheddar v2

just one more parser conflict left

I don't see how this has anything to do with the actual language at any rate

9:35 PM

Java is too object-oriented

I don't care much what Java lets us do

Jan 27 at 3:03, by Mego

It's one thing to have actual criticisms against Node to use in making jokes. It's another thing entirely to blindly mimic what others say in an attempt to be funny.

s/Node/Java

@Pavel can I write a literal byte stream to a file?

Cheddar is too bug-oriented

8

@Fatalize pls locate 1 bug in latest cheddar

9:36 PM

s/bug/feature

Pytek is too vaporware-oriented

@Downgoat Have you fixed // comments yet?

or rather comments in general

mınxomaτ

This might be important for anyone offering payments by paypal: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13623976

@RohanJhunjhunwala Uh, what do you mean by that?

also you HAVE to refridgerate cheese of course the ants will get to it!

@Downgoat colorblindprogramming.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/… ?

9:36 PM

@Downgoat *.js

@quartata yes like months ago

@RohanJhunjhunwala you can still use Unix newlines... (Provided you're not writing the program in notepad...)

(I'm using Retina exclusively on Windows, unless I'm using TIO)

@MartinEnder all right, this is going to be a bit bothersome to do, but it is worth it, because cjam also complains with cr/lf endings

Just use a decent editor ;)

(I'm trying to develop an esolang IDE, the only problem is java's default "feature" is to use windows newlines)

9:39 PM

Ah I see. That should definitely support flexible line endings then.

/*
test
*/

@Downgoat enters an infinite loop

@MartinEnder what I'll do, is add in a menu option to toggle them, with the default being Unix line endings.

github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/issues

@Downgoat I found two bugs, both inputted by you, but not fixed

@quartata have you updated

(from develop branch)

@Downgoat 1.0.4 is the latest version according to npm

If there are bugs in comments you know it's infested

9:40 PM

@quartata oh that is not updated (can't update until I fix windows support)

*oops only one bug

@RohanJhunjhunwala latter is not bug. First one is not bug just feature-request for it to work with buffer

@Downgoat please withdraw your enrollment from the windows school of developement

my dad just came into my room and talked to me about how disappointed he was that I was playing Minecraft instead of studying French. It's Saturday. srsly

What a perfect time to do your homework

9:51 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala System.getProperty("line.separator");

ooh, can I set it?

Oh, no, I didn't think that's what you wanted to do.

(char) 10 gives a newline

Assign it to a field lf or something

my question is can I tell the File class to use unix newlines?

@RohanJhunjhunwala System.setProperty("line.separator", (char) 10);

@Pavel I figured, but my question is what exactly does that do?

Is that permanently changing the system property?

Or is it just temporary for the current application?

10:02 PM

Temporarily for the current application

Thanks.

@wat once I was in 2nd grade and on Sunday and I played video game (I never play video games so that was like first) and dad freaked out because not studying :P

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10:23 PM

@Downgoat which version of Cheddar am I supposed to get, and how do I get it?

Wait how to reduce in python?

functools.reduce ಠ_ಠ

Also @Downgoat your online REPL for Cheddar keeps giving Error: Chedz is not defined whenever I try to do anything.

from functools import reduce?

import foo;foo.bar() isn't working. "Have you tried from foo import bar?"

No just why is reduce not a builtin?

I mean it's essential

10:38 PM

ah, got it

@Pavel just remember JS was basically made by microsoft

JScript

JScript is Microsoft's dialect of the ECMAScript standard that is used in Microsoft's Internet Explorer. JScript is implemented as an Active Scripting engine. This means that it can be "plugged in" to OLE Automation applications that support Active Scripting, such as Internet Explorer, Active Server Pages, and Windows Script Host. It also means such applications can use multiple Active Scripting languages, e.g., JScript, VBScript or PerlScript. JScript was first supported in the Internet Explorer 3.0 browser released in August 1996. Its most recent version is JScript 9.0, included in Intern...

Read up

same language but a different company had the trademark for JavaScript

I know that already, yes.

The comic shows JS as being dragged down by Edge

@TuxCopter It was in Python 2

Kinda funny

10:48 PM

@ChristopherPeart That's the IE11 logo

Woops that makes a little more sense

plesnik.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ie11-logo-512x500.png <--pls no onebox

No onebox

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/… <--no onebox

IE11 vs Edge

Truly the creativeness is astounding.

@Pavel it is actually ie6

10:50 PM

@wat What, really?

yeah it is hte IE6 logo

ranklogos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/… is basically the IE11 logo

But I think the image is the IE11 one, the band that goes around actually touches the E in the top right corner.

TIO HAS 200 LANGUAGES NOW!

11

11:38 PM

@Pavel yeah use TIO

@Pavel develop branch

From GitHub?

yeah

Ty

git clone --recursive https://github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar.git -b develop

what OS are you on btw?

@Dennis congrats on 200 TIO languages

11:41 PM

@Downgoat Ubuntu

@Pavel ok good

Oh, I should apt install npm

yeah, see cheddar.vihan.org

Is node ./dist/cli/cheddar.js part of the installation process or just how I run it?

@Pavel once you've cloned & installed npm, do npm install -g

you (might) also have to do make build

you shouldn't though

11:44 PM

forgot -g ;-;

Error: Cannot find module 'nan'

you can test it's correct version using (1:+:1)()

should output 2

also that Math.primes(1000) works in rational time

Do I need a flag to specify that code is from arguments and not from a file?

npm install -g

> cheddar-lang@1.0.5 prepublish /home/pavel/Cheddar
> make

node-gyp rebuild -C ./bindings/primes/
/usr/bin/env: ‘node’: No such file or directory
Makefile:50: recipe for target 'bindings/primes/build/Release/primes.node' failed
make: *** [bindings/primes/build/Release/primes.node] Error 127

npm ERR! addLocal Could not install /home/pavel/Cheddar
npm ERR! Linux 4.8.0-37-generic
npm ERR! argv "/usr/bin/nodejs" "/usr/bin/npm" "install" "-g"
npm ERR! node v4.2.6
npm ERR! npm  v3.5.2

@Downgoat bork ^

 ~/work/Cheddar |  develop $ npm install -g
npm WARN prepublish-on-install As of npm@5, `prepublish` scripts will run only for `npm publish`.
npm WARN prepublish-on-install (In npm@4 and previous versions, it also runs for `npm install`.)
npm WARN prepublish-on-install See the deprecation note in `npm help scripts` for more information.

> cheddar-lang@1.0.5 prepublish /home/dmitry/work/Cheddar
> make

node-gyp rebuild -C ./bindings/primes/
node-gyp rebuild -C ./bindings/number/
make: *** No rule to make target 'node_modules/.bin/babel', needed by 'default'.  Stop.

@Pavel /usr/bin/env: ‘node’: No such file or directory

uh you don't have node installed apparently :P

11:48 PM

Oh, so npm doesn't have node as a dependency?

it does... O_o

sudo apt install node
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package node is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'node' has no installation candidate

Uhhh

@Pavel nodejs

Oh, got it.

oh you have to ln -s $(which nodejs) $(dirname $(which nodejs))/node

11:49 PM

@Downgoat look at my eror messages please

@wat do npm install first

ok

you have to install dependencies with npm install and then install to computer with npm install -g

Well, I just manually installed nodejs and it still gives that error

52 secs ago, by Downgoat

oh you have to ln -s $(which nodejs) $(dirname $(which nodejs))/node

try that

I am working on installation script but ASCII art is hard

11:50 PM

aight

Why do you need ASCII art for installation script?

Unsupported platform for fsevents@1.0.17: wanted {"os":"darwin","arch":"any"} (current: {"os":"linux","arch":"x64"})

@wat that is OK

@Pavel no one like ugly installation script

aight

@Downgoat Didn't you release Cheddar v1 with nothing but addition?

11:51 PM

/usr/bin/env: ‘node --allow-natives-syntax --never_compact’: No such file or directory

@Pavel where did you get this idea

@wat you don't have node either >__>

@Downgoat Heard it a few weeks ago

yaeh i do

$ node
>

@Pavel quartata is making competing language Pytek so just ignore everything he say

@wat oh are you windows?

@Downgoat no

11:53 PM

2 mins ago, by wat

Unsupported platform for fsevents@1.0.17: wanted {"os":"darwin","arch":"any"} (current: {"os":"linux","arch":"x64"})

$ node
> console.log("Hello, world!")
Hello, world!
undefined
>

just try /usr/bin/env node --allow-natives-syntax --never-compact and see output

Do I need to run npm install -g as sudo?

@Pavel you might if your system complains

Something like EOACCESS

Ok

11:53 PM

$ /usr/bin/env node --allow-natives-syntax --never-compact
> console.log("Hello, world!")
Hello, world!
undefined
>

not my fault your computer does not know how to shebang

@Downgoat Just EACCESS but still

also you are using --never-compact here but --never_compact in node

Ok, Cheddar installed without errors. Great

Why isn't there a man page for cheddar ;-;

/usr/bin/env: ‘node --allow-natives-syntax --never_compact’: No such file or directory

 ~/work/Cheddar   develop  cat test.js
#!/usr/bin/env node

console.log("Hello, world!")
 ~/work/Cheddar   develop  ./test.js
Hello, world!

11:56 PM

Ehhhh

@Pavel opls

@Pavel uhhh try editing file and removing flags

where is file

Which file?

which cheddar

/usr/bin/node: bad option: --allow-natives-syntax --never-compact