The Nineteenth Byte

3:00 AM

Yeah I hate Node and even I'm getting sick of people saying "the problem is you're using node" as a joke with no justification or relevance to the context

Dennis

I'm working on caching right now and I like to ask y'all to hold off on any auto-run user scripts until that is done. The new TIO gets quite a bit more traffic than the old one ever did, and using these script during rush hour would be unpleasant for all involved.

Pavel

Was keeping []<> balanced in BF actually difficult, or was that an easier task than I imagine?

Wheat Wizard

@Pavel You don't need to

Anonymous

It's one thing to have actual criticisms against Node to use in making jokes. It's another thing entirely to blindly mimic what others say in an attempt to be funny.

5

Wheat Wizard

The interpreter doesn't read code in loops it doesn't execute

Pavel

3:03 AM

But if you don't the Brain-Flak complains, no?

Ah

Wheat Wizard

So I put all my brainfuck in a loop and skipped over it

quartata

@Mego Exactly.

Pavel

That makes your accomplishment instantly seem so much less cool

Wheat Wizard

Not all interpreters do that actually, Crain-Flak will complain, but Rain-Flak will not

@Pavel Yeah it was pretty easy once I knew what the challenge was

ATaco

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A: Golf you a quine for great good!

Forte, 75 Bytes. 2LET1=6 3PUT34 7PUT34 8PUT59 1PRINT" 2LET1=6 3PUT34 7PUT34 8PUT59 1PRINT"; Kinda Explained 2LET1=6 // Line 2, Set 6 to 1. Which means what -was- line 1, now is line 6. 3PUT34 // Line 3, Put a " 7PUT34 // Line 7, Put a " 8PUT59 // Line 8, Put a ; 1PRINT"...

Also golfed now.

Pavel

3:05 AM

Neato!

Anonymous

Jan 23 at 16:45, by Mego

Seriously, the people who run jokes into the ground ruin things for everyone. It really needs to stop. The goat stuff was funny at one point, but it's not even beating a dead horse anymore - they're punching a bottle of glue.

Wheat Wizard

What I originally thought the challenge was was extremely hard.

Anonymous

s/goat/Node-bashing

Anonymous

And now for something that is actually funny: youtube.com/watch?v=XZf1YTQ3Wq4

Pavel

@WheatWizard What did you think was the challenge?

Dennis

3:07 AM

@ATaco If you had used the TIO-generated Markdown, the leading newline would be visible. Just sayin'.

Anonymous

@Pavel I hear there's a great restaurant there

ATaco

I fixed the leading newline. That works too.

Wheat Wizard

@Pavel write a program in A that outputs a program that when run in B returns the original

Dennis

@ATaco You did? The TIO link still shows the newline.

ATaco

Whooops.

Pavel

3:08 AM

That actually seems like an interesting challenge

Wheat Wizard

I'm thinking of posting it because it is pretty hard and reasonably fun

ATaco

Fixed.

Pavel

New challenge: write a reliable CAT program in Forte or prove impossible

ATaco

Forte can only read INT input.

Pavel

GET

Actually, with GET it's not even hard

Ignore me

ATaco

3:10 AM

My bad.

Pavel

Since it stores characters, not numbers, it won't break anything

ATaco

Stores it's int representation.

But you choose where.

Pavel

That's what the spec says, that's not what happens.

ATaco

Oh yeah, whatyaknow

That's the only way to store a string it seems.

Dennis

"This language is Turing complete; it can do anything!" ... "cat might not be possible."

ATaco

3:13 AM

I wrote a quine, I can write a stupid cat.

Pavel

Well, being able to read input at all isn't required for Turing Compleetness

ATaco

>:I

Pavel

Well yeah, since get stores characters, as long as you store it in a big enough number it won't fail

But if it stored numbers, as the spec says, then it would break if the user input a character that represents a command in your program.

Hmm... how about adding 2 numbers read from STDIN?

wat

@WheatWizard I already posted that..

There was also someone else who posted one.

Wheat Wizard

@wat Link?

Pavel

3:16 AM

@wat Where

quartata

This is something of a premature question since Pytek isn't out yet, but:

ATaco

The issue is I don't think it's possible to make one that terminates on EOF.

wat

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Q: Cheating Cyclic Quine

Concept Write a program that outputs code in its programming language. That code, when executed, must output the original program. Rules Since this is a cheating quine, you can read the original source code. First output program must be in the same language as the original program. You may no...

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Q: Golf a mutual quine

Using two languages of your choice, write the smallest “mutual quine” you can. That is, write a program P in language A that outputs the source code for a program Q in language B, such that the output of program Q is identical to the source code for P. Empty files don't count, nor do "read the ...

@wat Thanks!

@WheatWizard YW

3:17 AM

The second one is the one that requires them to be different languages.

quartata

Pytek has an operator <: that creates lazy definitions. f <: expression is essentially equivalent to f = lambda: expression except you don't explicitly call it, merely access it: f` vs f()

feersum

It evaluates only the first time, or every time it is referenced?

quartata

Woud that wok for our snippet function rules?

Downgoat

@quartata is that backtick supposed to be after the f?

quartata

@feersum Every time

Pavel

3:20 AM

@quartata How do you give it input?

quartata

@Downgoat No. Stupid virtual keyboards

feersum

If it's every time, that hardly seems worth a special syntax.

Helka Homba

> Woud that wok

Downgoat

@quartata ah ok

feersum

Since presumably you have some easy way to write lambda:x.

quartata

3:21 AM

@Pavel You don't. It's a nilary function.

Downgoat

cheddar just has getter syntax (see swift for example it is similar)

wat

@quartata birdsmiley?

Helka Homba

@quartata Seems fine to use that as a 0-arg function

quartata

@feersum It's a little more sophisticated but in this situation it's equivalent

Pavel

Hardly seems worth giving it a special syntax, tho.

Does Pytek have a public implementation, btw?

quartata

3:23 AM

No not yet

feersum

The Mathematica language designers did deem this worthy of a language feature, but they think that about everything.

8

In Mathematica it's f := expr

Pavel

As opposed to f[argument_] := expr

But that's not special syntax, it comes from every symbol in Mathematica being interchangeable for most syntax.

Helka Homba

@quartata So (assuming you have a similarly simple syntax for lambdas) the only real difference is byte savings from not having to use the () in f(), right?

quartata

@HelkaHomba Lambdas are \(args){...}

So no

feersum

@Pavel This does not fall out of the function definition syntax. f[] := expr is different than f := expr.

Pavel

3:27 AM

f<: isn't much longer than f=\(){}

quartata

It's 2 bytes.

feersum

Lambdas are much more useful, so those should have the short syntax.

Helka Homba

Ruby doesn't require parens to call functions so it should be fine anyhow by our standards

Downgoat

@quartata is Pytek scripting language or programming language

quartata

@feersum They are very differnt concepts just being abused here

ATaco

3:28 AM

Further golfed the Quine.

feersum

@quartata How is it different?

Doesn't allow closures?

Pavel

Cool. I'm just waiting for @Dennis to magically snipe it anyway.

quartata

f <: ... is actually shorthand for updating:f = ... which is a type

ATaco

That 50 rep is mine

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Q: Your very own "for" instruction, redux

Inspired by Sygmei's question, I'm interested in finding out what languages can "do this properly". Your task is to write a "for loop" function / macro / instruction. The arguments should be: an initializer a test an increment a body All of these are "pieces of code" and should be able to a...

code-golf

quartata

3:29 AM

@Downgoat The latter

feersum

The real question is, what could you do with that that you couldn't do with a 0-argument function?

quartata

func:while((updating bool):cond)

Pavel

Since a lambda is \(args){}, could a zero-argument lambda be \{}?

feersum

Explain?

Pavel

@quartata That could be a single variable, a better example would be something nondeterministic e.g. takes input or is random

By the way, just want to throw out there that Mathematica is 13 GB.

quartata

3:33 AM

@feersum This turns the function argument into something that is evaluated every time. The example there was say a reimplementation of a while loop

Pavel

There are that many builtins

feersum

@quartata Is there supposed to be a loop body anywhere?

quartata

Oh oops. func:while((updating bool):cond, block:body)

You can call that just like \while(...) { ... }

feersum

You could do that just fine with a 0-argument function returning bool.

wat

@Pavel no it isnt

quartata

3:36 AM

Oh yay, star troll. Go away.

wat

it fits on a raspberry pi just fine

Pavel

Raspberry Pi might have a smaller installation?

wat

yeah no goat builtin

Pavel

I rest my case.

quartata

@feersum Sure but that's ugly as sin. Also this allows for optimizations with pure functions

Downgoat

3:37 AM

what is going on with the stars ._.

Dennis

Trolls be trolling.

wat

@Downgoat people are erasing my genuine stars together with the quartata love stars

feersum

If your code has a while loop with a pure function as the condition, then it must be either while(true) or dead code.

quartata

Not in that example obviously

I mean updating f as needed

feersum

If a function is pure, it returns the same thing every time.

Downgoat

3:39 AM

@wat There is a problem if your stars are being mixed with the spam stars

quartata

as the variables it uses change

wat

yaik

quartata

@feersum I am well aware. Do not confuse my while example with the whole syntax

feersum

I'm not.

Why would you want to have a 0-argument function that returns the same thing every time?

Pavel

Still, if it returns the same thing every time, why reevaluate it?

quartata

3:40 AM

If you have f <: a + b we only need to re evaluate f when a or b change.

AdmBorkBork

@feersum Isn't that the basis of most of Java? (only slightly in jest)

feersum

@quartata OK, but that's not a pure function.

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork ... I don't get it.

Downgoat

@Pavel might also be if you have something such as generators, you'd only have to evaluate once

quartata

Optimizations when the definition contains only variables and/or pure functions

That's what I meant.

We don't know when \rand() changes obviously

although I suppose since that changes the seed...

feersum

3:43 AM

Anyway, limitations of an optimizer implementation seem like a bogus reason to introduce language features.

quartata

\input() then

@feersum It wasn't the only reason, of course not

Pavel

Why do you need all the \s? That seems like pretty unusual syntax.

quartata

gahhhh

Downgoat

@Pavel if yo're trying to post a backtick I believe it's: `` ` ``

AdmBorkBork

@Pavel You're not supposed to access a value directly, but use a zero-argument Get() function, right?

feersum

3:44 AM

Well if you didn't have the backslashes, functions wouldn't be ugly, and re-evaluating "variables" would lose their purpose, I think.

Downgoat

Question: do you think Cheddar counts as engineering project (for science fair)? I mean software engineering is still engineering

quartata

@feersum So you prefer while([]{...}) to while (...). Good to know :P

Pavel

I HAVE LERNED TO DISPLAY A BACKSLASH IN CODE SYNTAX IN SE CHAT!!! ` ` \ ` ` without spaces.

quartata

It was also an easy way of introducing lazily evaluated function calls

feersum

What people usually call lazy evaluation is when it evaluates the first time, and stores it after that.

Pavel

3:46 AM

That combination of characters makes no sense.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Sure (unless it's specifically about physical engineering)

quartata

And we might have some plans for local propagation network-esque inversion

@feersum Sure but it can be used for that purpose

Pavel

Lazy evaluation is when code is only run when it's needed. For example, Haskell is lazy and allows infinite lists, as long as you only operate on a finite range in that list.

feersum

@quartata How?

quartata

Ooh, and updating return values

ATaco

3:48 AM

@Pavel Think anyone can out golf my quine?

Pavel

Srsly tho what's the \ for?

quartata

@feersum What message is this in reply to?

Pavel

@ATaco Dennis.

quartata

@Pavel Function calls

ATaco

I fear not to be outgolfed by Dennis.

Pavel

3:49 AM

@quartata But why \Rand() and not Rand()?

feersum

@quartata The one it's in reply to (which is the last one by you before it).

quartata

@feersum I can't see the reply indicator on mobie, sorry. Like this:

wat

@Pavel \

quartata

f <: \call(); ... f

Helka Homba

Would adding function ever be useful? (despite limitations)

like this

feersum

3:51 AM

@quartata In general, that only works if the compiler is psychic.

quartata

@Pavel It makes the functions easier to pick out in code

Pavel

But... nothing does that.

Is this just to make writing the parser easier?

feersum

It won't be able to tell when the result doesn't need to be recalculated.

Pavel

Match /\\.*\(.*\)/?

quartata

@feersum It recalculates in every evaluation if there are any non pure functions involved

@Pavel no

Although it would allow for multiplication by juxtaposition.

Pavel

3:57 AM

@quartata That won't work with variables, which I'm guessing don't use \, and can be done with functions anyway since they're separated by ().

feersum

But how can I make it lazily evaluate only once, regardless of how the compiler assess functional purity?

quartata

@feersum By only referring to it once. It would never recalculate if it wasn't accessed.

@Pavel ??

If you mean storring a function in a variable you use backslash there too

Pavel

I have a and b, I can't multiply them with ab.

feersum

What if I need to use it more than once though...

quartata

Oh right. Obviously then you need parens.

Pavel

3:59 AM

I have a() and b(), you can multiply them with a()b(), since now there's a clear difference between them.

quartata

@feersum Then it might be better to make the return value of the function updating: instrad or something similar. It depends.

feersum

In Mathematica you'd do a b...

quartata

@Pavel Or... a b?

ninja'd

Pavel

Oh yeah...

quartata

Or a(b)

Helka Homba

4:00 AM

@quartata What if you aren't sure if the object will be a function? Like f = randBool() ? 55 : \myFunc

Pavel

Static typing?

quartata

@HelkaHomba That's a type issue. If the type is known at compile you'd get an error then, otherwise at runtime. Pytek is gradually typed

Pavel

What is gradual typing.

quartata

I don't see how that's any different than calling something that isn't a function in Python at any rate

Helka Homba

@quartata As in you are gradually typing it as you code? :P

quartata

4:04 AM

@Pavel It means you can add type annotations that we'll check before run time, but if we can't figure it out we'll roll with it and check at run time. A hybrid between static and dynamic

Pavel

Ah, like Cheddar.

quartata

No not lik Cheddar since Cheddar is purely dynamic

gradual strong structural manifest vs dynamic strong duck inferred

Pavel

@quartata docs.cheddar.vihan.org/Variables.html

quartata

There is actually literally no need to specify types in Cheddar if you use :=

wat

i think cheddar is a bad name

it is too cheesy

quartata

4:06 AM

since without generics it's not possible to infer incorrectly

(which is not actually a good thing)

@Pavel That is all a runtime thing. Hence dynamic.

Pavel

Ok. Got it.

Remind me to never deal with this.

quartata

You mean language design?

Pavel

Not all language design. I'm designing a ><> like language named Sushi right now.

Just anything where you have to declare variables.

3 hours ago, by Pavel

Welp, that sounds complicated. I'm out.

quartata

Ah so you mean practical language design

Pavel

Yes

quartata

4:10 AM

I think some of the most fun conversations I've had here have been about language design

Anonymous

Practical language design is fun, but it often leads to headaches

Pavel

I think these conversations are fun

I just never actually want to implement any of this

Anonymous

Like trying to figure out how a decentralized distributed cooperative programming language would work

Pavel

That meant nothing to me.

quartata

@Mego I've been thinking about what you brought up for quite a while to no avail. Decentralization is hard.

Pavel

4:13 AM

@quartata have you entered Pytek into the time capsule?

@Mego Please explain every word in that sentence.

Anonymous

Decentralized - opposite of centralized, where one single computer/process/thread is the "main" thread
Distributed - involving multiple computational devices (threads, processes, CPU cores, GPU cores, even distinct computers)
Cooperative - the multiple devices working together to solve a problem

Helka Homba

@Mego Like everyone contributes a snippet and somehow it all works together to do cool stuff?

quartata

@Pavel No partially because we have no idea if we'll have it done by the end of 2017

Downgoat

@wat this is not OK

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Not cooperative in that sense. Cooperative in the sense that the multiple devices are working towards a common goal. Like BOINC, but without a central authority.

Pavel

4:15 AM

@quartata It doesn't need to be done, it needs to have a relatively stableish implementation on TIO.

quartata

We intended to launch it with a complete stdlib, all transpilation backends complete, fully functional graphics library and a package manager. This was dumb of us.

Anonymous

I think a key feature that this language needs is the ability for computational instances to reject tasks

Downgoat

@quartata I launched cheddar with working addition and print statement

quartata

We're sticking to that though mostly because we've kind of entered valve time and no one really seems to care when it's released anyways

Pavel

@quartata I care!

quartata

4:17 AM

@Downgoat We could have launched over a year ago in that case

Anonymous

Since tasks will be broadcast to all computational instances, it makes sense for an instance to be able to say "nah" and reject working on the task

Anonymous

...I should probably make a separate room for this

Pavel

We tried making a separate SE for this.

It got closed

quartata

Also we saw how well your 1.0 release panned out. A good lesson.

(:P)

Anonymous

Someone catch that mic

Pavel

4:18 AM

I wasn't around back then, what happened?

Anonymous

Cheddar's original release:

Anonymous

Downgoat

@quartata you're thinking of v0.1.0 release in which I called cheddar "release". v1.0 was only partially a complete disaster

but cheddar's v2 rewrite is going good except for goddam bison conflict

quartata

@Pavel Lots of broken things. To be fair he has good unit tests but they didn't catch everything

@Downgoat I seem to recall a lack of a while loop being a notable issue

Downgoat

nobody like while loop anyway

Pavel

4:20 AM

for is fine.

quartata

If you're thinking of Go for <cond> is just a while loop anyways

Pavel

for(;;) is golfier, anyway.

Downgoat

vihan:~/Documents/Code/Cheddar (develop) $ grep -rn src -e "while"
vihan:~/Documents/Code/Cheddar (develop) $

see nobody likes while loop

quartata

@Downgoat I find this incredibly hard to believe on many levels

Helka Homba

Is print a statement or expression (in Cheddar or Pytek)

Downgoat

4:22 AM

Question: can someone give me a link to how to implement terminal, I am making iOS app which I need to reimplement terminal in

quartata

Function.

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba v1 it's an expression v2 it's a statement

Pavel

@Downgoat You need to finish your everything else first

Downgoat

@Pavel ?

Pavel

Your userscript still forgets the 'use in chat' setting on chrome instantly.

Downgoat

4:23 AM

that is chrome fault

Anonymous

Would one of the mods/ROs mind moving the relevant bits of this conversation to this room?

ATaco

1001100 LET 1100=1100+300
1090 LET 1001100=1080
1100 PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.":PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer.
You take one down, pass it around.":LET 99=99-1:PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.": LET 1080=1080+300

99 Bottles.

Although when it gets to 0 it starts doing -1 bottles of beer on the wall.

It's a feature.

Pavel

It doesn't work on TIO tho

ATaco

Yeah, TIO doesn't like Infinite output.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat I really wish Python came with both and not just one. Advice for Cheddar

Downgoat

4:25 AM

@HelkaHomba you mean print function and statement? or print statement and expression?

Pavel

What's the difference between statement and expression?

Anonymous

@Pavel An expression evaluates to something (e.g. 1+2)

Downgoat

So my group apparently named our science project "β^θ ln(ξ) = d/dx (φσ/Ψ)"

it does not mean anything but it has greek letters

ATaco

1001100 LET 1100=1100+300
1090 LET 1001100=1080
1100 PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.":PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer.
You take one down, pass it around.":LET 99=99-1:PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.": LET 1080=1080+300
30781 END

Pavel

for i in team: is a better name.

ATaco

4:26 AM

That stops at 0.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Function and statement (by expression I just mean calling the print function). Half the time I write print in Python 3 I forget the parens but sometimes in python 2 it's useful as a function. We need a print and a pront

Pavel

pront.

Downgoat

ok well cheddar does have Console. functions for print functions

e.g. put for without newline. printf for format

Anonymous

@Downgoat Beta to the theta times natural log of xi equals the derivative of psi times delta over Psi with respect to x

Pavel

The whole 'decrement 99' thing is just great

Anonymous

4:27 AM

So, the entire right side is just 1?

ATaco

1001100 LET 1100=1100+300
1090 LET 1001100=1080
1100 PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.":PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer.
You take one down, pass it around.":LET 99=99-1:PRINT 99;:PRINT " bottles of beer on the wall.": LET 1080=1080+300
30781 PRINT "0 bottles of beer on the wall.
0 bottles of beer.
You go to the store and buy some more.
99 bottles of beer on the wall."
30782 END

And that takes us to the store afterwards.

Helka Homba

@Pavel O as in "OMG just print without requiring blasted parentheses"

Pavel

@ATaco *clap* *clap* *clap*

ATaco

I am a Forte master.

Pavel

Maestro

VTC

@ATaco Now solve the 'add two numbers' challenge

ATaco

4:33 AM

On it boss.

Pavel

Without anything breaking

I've been thinking of a good way to shield INPUT against user stupidity, I can't think of a good way.

ATaco

Just try to break it

Pavel

@ATaco tio.run/nexus/forte#@29ooODpFxAaomBoBaGNrAKCPP2AfG2j//@NuEwB

ATaco

You've got me there

HMmMMmMmMm.

Pavel

It might not be possible

ATaco

4:41 AM

I'm sure there's a way.

Pavel

Well, you probably need two variables, right? You have to prevent the user linking them together.

ATaco

You'd think.

Pavel

It might be doable in unary

Unary output, decimal input

Maybe parsing it with GET? The actual implementation of GET is poorly specified.

ATaco

Good luck Parsing anything with GET.

Pavel

Yep.

ATaco

4:52 AM

Try it online!

Technically valid.

That number is a 64bit integer, we don't need to support any greater than 32bit

Pavel

I thought it was 'default number type'

Ok

ATaco

It says "Decimal Integer"

Pavel

That means it's a base 10 int.

Doesn't say anything about size.

ATaco

Alas, Int32 Bullshittery wont work.

Pavel

I'll ask if there's a maximum int size that needs to be supported.

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Q: Quote-Safe Quines

Your task is simple: write a program (or function) that takes no input and outputs (or returns) its source code. The catch is that when the program is wrapped in "quotes", it should again output its (now quoted) source code. Standard rules for quines apply. This is code-golf, so the shortest pro...

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wat

6:00 AM

This whole set of messages is hilarious

Look at this link: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35038120#35038120

(did that to prevent oneboxing)

Fatalize

7:20 AM

@flawr ais523 could probably provide more tips than myself

muddyfish

7:47 AM

@ChristopherPeart I don't have OCD. I can assure you that I, in fact, do experience feelings. You don't really want to know what I'm going through nor do I really want to tell you. No offence taken.

ais523

8:56 AM

@Pavel there are two input commands; INPUT inputs an integer (and is probably unusable if you don't have a lot of control over your input), GET inputs a character, this is what the spec says

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9:07 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Is this word Lexically Ordered? Given an input string S, return truthy if all the letters in S are Lexically Ordered: their ASCII values need to be in either ascending or descending order. Return falsy in other cases. Input Input will be in the same case (all upper- or all lowercase) Input wi...

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10:27 AM

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Q: The beautiful pattern drawer (Little cubes included)

The beautiful pattern drawer Good morning PPCG ! The other day, when I was trying to help someone on Stack Overflow, a part of his problem gave me an idea for this challenge. First of all, check the following shape : Where all black numbers are the index of the points in the shape and all d...

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11:13 AM

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Q: The competition

The Sensitive Society Club organizes a donation campaign. To put more fun in the campaign, they organize a competition among departments. In the competition top donating students and the department are awarded with a certificate. Question: Write a program that reads the information for n student...

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Christopher Peart

11:23 AM

@muddyfish OK thanks

I guess some people care more about styling in code. I used to not. Then I was taught how to style it one way and liked it ever since.

@ATaco @Nice job! That was very well done!

muddyfish

11:38 AM

@ChristopherPeart I care about the style of languages where I know the correct style. If I don't know a language, I assume the style guidelines are different

TuxCopter

Hallo

TuxCopter

12:18 PM

Wait, Firefox don't support ttf fonts?

AdmBorkBork

1:58 PM

quartata's statement here followed by ATaco's immediate "There's a[n OEIS] sequence for that" made me chuckle. Apparently there's an OEIS sequence for everything.

AdmBorkBork

2:12 PM

We got called out on the Official Blog!

> official graduation is long-awaited accomplishment. link

Fatalize

Still no word on the design though…

quartata

@AdmBorkBork Yeah the typo kinda killed that one

AdmBorkBork

That typo is mistake.

aditsu

2:28 PM

what typo?

AdmBorkBork

It's missing the article.

quartata

read the quote again

AdmBorkBork

Maybe he was just golfing the sentence?

aditsu

I don't think it really needs an article

quartata

> graduation good

Did a pretty bad job of it if so

aditsu

2:33 PM

> grad yay

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quartata

> grad :D

aditsu

waiting for 3-byte Jelly solution from Dennis :p

AdmBorkBork

"Long-awaited" is modifying "accomplishment" so that can be removed. Then it reads "official graduation is accomplishment." However, the word "accomplishment" can't be turned into an adjective like it is there.

It's not a bad typo, in that it changes the meaning or anything, though.

aditsu

it's not an adjective at all

AdmBorkBork

2:37 PM

Correct - which is why it needs an article.

aditsu

well, "this is great news"

sirpercival

hi all

been a while!

AdmBorkBork

@aditsu That's because "news" is an uncountable noun, which doesn't require an article, while "accomplishment" is a countable noun, which does.

sirpercival

i have an idea for a golf challenge, but i dunno if it's a good one

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sirpercival

2:48 PM

i'm going to sandbox it

aditsu

@AdmBorkBork dictionaries say "accomplishment" can be uncountable

AdmBorkBork

Yes, but not in this context.

feersum

What kind of dictionary would say that?

AdmBorkBork

Oxford uses the example sentence "a poet of considerable accomplishment."

Which is indeed an uncountable noun in that context.

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