The Nineteenth Byte

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

10:19

Question: What in the world has happened to our November 1 design?

13

flawr

Answer: Geobits doesn't always tell the truth. (I know, shocking.)

Anonymous

More like Geobits avoids the truth when it would get in the way of a joke

Anonymous

One of these days, we're actually going to get something we want on the first day of a month, and Geobits will be heralded as a prophet instead of a troll

TuxCopter

10:35

hi

@Downgoat :)

ASCII-only

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Answer: Wait 13 hours and 25 minutes then ask again

really needs disapproval face to be here right now

TuxCopter

ಠ_ಠ

ASCII-only

@TuxCopter ಠ_ಠ

TuxCopter

11 hours ago, by Downgoat

So cheddar has had dictionaries for a couple months now but no one knows they even exist so I'm hoping adding ability to get value from key will help their popularity

Wait, really?

halp how to typeof in cheddar

ASCII-only

@TuxCopter Yeah, why?

@TuxCopter brb need to update

@TuxCopter IDK if it exists yet

TuxCopter

10:43

It would be very cool to have

cheddar> NaN
Runtime Error: Attempted to access undefined variable `NaN`
cheddar> Infinity
Runtime Error: Attempted to access undefined variable `Infinity`
cheddar> 1/0
Infinity
cheddar> (1/0)/(1/0)
NaN

ಠ_ಠ

ASCII-only

@TuxCopter 0/0 == NaN as well

TuxCopter

Ah true

Qwerp-Derp

CMC: Guess what my sequence is

(Is this type of question good for Puzzling?)

TuxCopter

I think it's more on-topic on Mathematics SE

Qwerp-Derp

But you need to guess the rule of the sequence

ASCII-only

10:49

@Qwerp-Derp No, they don't like sequences

Qwerp-Derp

Wait what...

ASCII-only

Because too broad - people good enough at maths can come up with a completely different rule

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@ASCII-only Clock is ticking, will ask again at 2016-11-02T00:00:44Z

Qwerp-Derp

:(

Hmmm... OK

Uhhh... let's make it a CMC then

You guys can guess the numbers

You can ask for terms

I'll spit out the numbers

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Qwerp-Derp 𝑓(0)?

Qwerp-Derp

10:52

Ummm

Only positive terms

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Qwerp-Derp 𝑓(1/2)?

Qwerp-Derp

Also, don't ask for ridiculously large terms

Only positive integers

TuxCopter

ƒ(1..10)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Qwerp-Derp 𝑓(1)?

Qwerp-Derp

@TuxCopter 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 1, 8, 9, 8

That range is inclusive, right?

TuxCopter

10:54

Yep

Qwerp-Derp

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ f(1) is first one

TuxCopter

brb searching OEIS

> Sorry, but the terms do not match anything in the table.

ಠ_ಠ

Qwerp-Derp

lol

Hint: Josephus.

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Penguins

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Qwerp-Derp Oh, c'mon, that gives 𝑓(3) = 3

Qwerp-Derp

10:57

It's related, though

Just not the same sequence

Hello?

Is anyone on?

TuxCopter

yep

Qwerp-Derp

No more guessin'?

ASCII-only

Anyone pls read and criticize/ask questions?

feersum

I haven't read it but I'll criticize the URL.

It says "Language design.. parsing"

Writing the parser is an implementation detail, not language design.

ASCII-only

Oh my bad, thanks for pointing out

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11:16

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Jugglability of Siteswap EDIT: I just noticed we already have Juggling by Numbers challenge by Martin Büttner. code-golf Siteswaps are a convenient and concise way of recording juggling patterns. They are written down as a list of numbers. Imagine having a metronome running. For a simple 3 bal...

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp f(10000)

Anonymous

Another request for Sandbox feedback

feersum

@Mego Looks fine challenge-wise

I'm not sure your MASK_UPPER would work if R != 31 though :P

ASCII-only

11:48

@feersum Fixed

mınxomaτ

12:08

I really despise companies that let you sign up automatically, but require you to contact support to cancel your account.

3

This should simply be outlawed.

Sp3000

12:24

@undergroundmonorail ! Number too large

TuxCopter

I am making a lisp dialect and for some reason the tokenizer is 2 times bigger than the parser

Proof that lisp is easy to parse o.o

Maltysen

13:04

Is Google now hitting anyone else up with random GitHub repos?

I was impressed when it started doing HNQs, but this is a bit too far

TuxCopter

?

Downgoat

@TuxCopter what is

TuxCopter

typeof(10) === Number for example

Downgoat

what is 10 == Number

TuxCopter

The type of 10 is Number, so typeof(10) is Number

ASCII-only

13:13

@TuxCopter 10 is Number works

Downgoat

^

TuxCopter

Yes, but it's not possible to know the type of a variable, it's only possible to know if a variable is of a certain type

Downgoat

Wat

TuxCopter

You can't know the type of an object with is

Downgoat

this is cheese not quantum mechanics

TuxCopter

13:15

Only if the type if equal to an other type

@Downgoat JS, Python, C(++)? have typeof

Downgoat

@TuxCopter formed with what is, "llatter with is?

TuxCopter

And (except maybe C) these languages are not quantum mechanics

@Downgoat ?

Poke

Greetings

Downgoat

Such confuse

TuxCopter

yo

Downgoat

13:18

@Poke hai

@TuxCopter question: do you not sleep/go to work/school? Ur on like always ._____.

how u do dis

TuxCopter

~~penguin majik~~ holidays

quartata

France has a 2 week All Saints school holiday

TuxCopter

^

Downgoat

;_; us in cal don't even get Halloween off

TuxCopter

;_;

Geobits

13:27

I don't know any US schools that give Halloween off.

Downgoat

Even worse ;_; brb filing support ticket with congress

Geobits

I'm not entirely sure you understand how schools work if you're asking congress :P

Downgoat

AFAIK congress has authority to define public holiday and apparently halloweeeb isn't one

Geobits

Well yes, but schools aren't required to be out on federal/public holidays.

It's up to each district to make their own schedule.

For example, my kid isn't out of school on Columbus Day.

You'd probably be better off petitioning the local school board if you want Halloween off. Personally, I'd rather have the day following off, but that's another thing altogether :)

quartata

Hey look @Geobits was right we got our design! (You might have to clear your cache to see it)

Poke

13:35

._.

TuxCopter

no

Geobits

What do you mean, "no"?

TuxCopter

we don't have our design

quartata

I'll get a screenshot one second

Geobits

@TuxCopter Maybe you're seeing a caching issue?

betseg

13:36

OHMIGOD site looks really nice

Geobits

I'm so glad they didn't go all super-golf themed.

quartata

@TuxCopter Yeah try clearing your cache. If that doesn't work add ?cb=1

TuxCopter

still no design

Poke

you're all terrible people

betseg

ik

quartata

13:38

Even with the cachebreaker? Wat

@Poke But I was serious....

Poke

uh huh

TuxCopter

11/10 very nice design

quartata

What the heck I just reloaded and it's gone

Dammit SE

Geobits

Maybe SE is trolling? Wouldn't surprise me, given the jokes around here.

betseg

@TuxCopter 42/10*

quartata

13:40

Just a poor rollout most likely. I'll check in later and see if it's stable

Poke

you have fun with that

quartata

Does anyone know if Grace Note is still pingable?

TuxCopter

CM: Hey PPCG folks think the design is the 1st november
Admin: ok brb
`se-set-design codegolf codegolf && sleep 10 && se-set-design codegolf beta`

^ What happened at SE

mınxomaτ

./icantbelievethatsiteisstillaround.sh

betseg

CMC: something useful in Alphafuck with proper English grammar (excluding letter casing)

TuxCopter

13:43

CMC: Stop repeating a CMC more than Infinity times

quartata

If this is SE's idea of a joke it's pretty damn elaborate. Well played.

3

TimmyD

It would've been better if they had re-applied the "Beta" label to the main logo.

Poke

i'm sure they're over there all like if userId == quartata.getUserId() then serveNewCss()

quartata

Top bar was a green gradient with some subtle lines in it, monospace font for most things, badge icons were bits and vote icons were ASCII-style up and down arrows

I didn't get a screenshot in time. Dammit.

Poke

I hear they're going to move toward that one pixel at a time over the next several months

quartata

13:47

But Geobits saw it too, right? It wasn't just me?

Poke

inb4 geobits works for SE

Geobits

I didn't notice the arrows, but overall yes.

quartata

I was on a question at the time so

Poke

I'll give it to you. I refreshed about 5 times

betseg

Don't worry. We'll get the design with the new year.

TuxCopter

13:49

The new year of 2022

betseg

> yup this kinda works. lets try it now...ohshitwait its available publicly:O revertrevertrevert

^ totally what happened on SE

TuxCopter

10 mins ago, by TuxCopter

CM: Hey PPCG folks think the design is the 1st november
Admin: ok brb
`se-set-design codegolf codegolf && sleep 10 && se-set-design codegolf beta`

or it's this ^

quartata

@Poke Dude, I wasn't kidding. I'm fishing through my cache right now to see if I can find an old cached version of the assets

Geobits

Oh that's not a bad idea. Let me look at mine too. It's too bad the Chrome cache is such a mess to look through.

Poke

security.googleblog.com/2016/10/…

in other news ^

quartata

13:53

I found something. One second.

Ignore the white background that was a GIMP derp when I imported it

That was the upvote button

TimmyD

Please just post a screenshot of the userscript design

quartata

@TimmyD I told you, it was too late

TuxCopter

@quartata wow infographic skill level 9000

quartata

Lemme see if I can find anything else in the cache.

Poke

pretty sure the bottom of that arrow doesn't actually line up with the top

:]

TuxCopter

13:58

Ha

Geobits

Aw, I always feel like I missed something good when I see (removed)

Poke

that's why i think it's a silly feature

feersum

Someone didn't think graduation trolling is funny?

quartata

Yeah, I didn't delete that....

Thank you @trichoplax.

Guess the fun's over now. Moving something into position so that it blocks an opening is super offensive. I'll remember that in the future.

Did that actually get 5 validations, or was it another mod?

Geobits

No idea, I never saw the flag or the message.

Poke

14:05

I'd repost but probably get censored

Geobits

Yeah, that's probably not a good idea ;)

ArtOfCode

@quartata mod, I think. I hit invalidate on the flag, anyway.

mınxomaτ

@Poke So where is the disclosure?

Poke

quartata and I were having a back and forth (Tux was there too) and quartata said "shut up". I didn't get triggered or hurt by it; figured it was just part of the fun

Guilherme Nascimento or someone popped in around the same time as Art of Code

then the message was removed

not sure if trichoplax was in here at that point or not

feersum

If someone came and checked the context, that should make them less suspicious.

Poke

14:07

/me shrugs

Geobits

Eh, probably nothing to worry about or bother discussing much. It happens, and it sucks, but...

quartata

trichoplax unsuspended me

I believe. He popped in right before so.

Obviously only mods know the doings of mods so

ArtOfCode

that would have been me, I believe

quartata

Oh.

Anyways let's not worry about it any longer

@feersum But I wasn't trolling :(

Geobits

@quartata Welcome to my world

DJMcMayhem

14:12

@quartata It sure seems like trolling

quartata

SE picked the two people that no one would ever believe, just like the UFOs

DJMcMayhem

Especially since normally they ask sites "what would you like in your design"

quartata

Whatever. When our design comes around and it's exactly the way I described it I'll be having the last laugh

ArtOfCode

y'know there was never going to be a design today right?

betseg

UFOs are real. If you saw a kite and didn't know what it was, it's a UFO.

Poke

14:14

true

quartata

@ArtOfCode There was!

ArtOfCode

nah

quartata

@betseg Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to flying saucers

TuxCopter

33 mins ago, by TuxCopter

CM: Hey PPCG folks think the design is the 1st november
Admin: ok brb
`se-set-design codegolf codegolf && sleep 10 && se-set-design codegolf beta`

ArtOfCode

there's always a design proposal post 6 weeks before you get the design

DJMcMayhem

14:15

I don't know if I'll remember your description well enough to recognize it later

betseg

23 mins ago, by betseg

> yup this kinda works. lets try it now...ohshitwait its available publicly:O revertrevertrevert

quartata

@ArtOfCode We're special in that we're totally neglected

3

It's becoming increasingly obvious that this was just an SE prank though. Which makes me sad

Geobits

@DJMcMayhem Good thing there's a transcript for that. I'm sure quartata will remember it :)

quartata

They're toying with us

Downgoat

Watch as SE goes for the uber-troll and anncounced our design 11:59

Poke

14:19

The ol' SE design-a-roo

quartata

@Geobits I will never forget this moment

TuxCopter

D:\JLisp\lib\parser\tokenizer.js:112
                buf += c;
                       ^
 illegal access

huh

Downgoat

Have you try get warrant?

Geobits

I think it means accessing c this way is not legal >_>

Nathan Merrill

right, so you should probably call the cops

Downgoat

14:22

> D:

mbomb007

@ETHproductions Even length, as in the strings must be 2,4,6,8,... characters long. I didn't mean the same length.

quartata

@Downgoat Multiple drives?

mbomb007

My answer didn't work for strings with an odd number of chars.

Downgoat

Even file path is sad not compiling

quartata

Ah.

betseg

14:24

mrw not compiling

TuxCopter

Ah

for some reason the tokenizer try to read so far after the end of the array Node don't like

TimmyD

@quartata Sorry, meant this

quartata

Oh I see.

No it wasn't like that

TuxCopter

I was wondering why you would move the notification alerts to the right. Then I realized it was your avatar >.> — mınxomaτ Jan 5 at 6:58

._.

ETHproductions

@mbomb007 Ah, OK

Poke

15:08

private static void foo() {
  try {
    foo();
  } finally {
    foo();
  }
}

any guesses?

Emigna

Seems like a bad idea to me :)

Poke

indeed

feersum

So you get a StackOverflowException, then it tries to do the finally at the last level, but the stack is already too big...not sure what happens then

Poke

basically does a preorder traversal of the call stack

feersum

oh, it would just go back to the last level's ifnally

Poke

15:12

mhm

so while it's no an infinite loop it would take forever to execute

haha

feersum

So there would be 2^(stack height) exceptions

Poke

yup

i think the stack depth limit is 1024

how many calls per second can your box make

We can solve this problem... WITH MATH

DJMcMayhem

I'm afraid we need to use...MATH

►

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TuxCopter

@DJMcMayhem :O

quartata

Never be afraid

DJMcMayhem

15:25

That was definitely one of the best episodes ever

Socratic Phoenix

15:38

Does anyone know what character (0, 2) is on the Jelly codepage? I think it's \n but I'm not sure.

I'm reading it wrong... codepoint 20, is what I'm talking about (I believe)

daHugLenny

I think it is a space

TuxCopter

^

Socratic Phoenix

Okay, then which one indicates newlines? I know pilcrow can be used... but doesn't the codepage have something for \n or \r?

TuxCopter

> The character ¶ and the linefeed character can be used interchangeably, although it is advised to use a linefeed to separate links, and a pilcrow inside string literals.

Socratic Phoenix

So does that mean that when Jelly source code is encoded in the codepage, every instance of the linefeed character is encoded as the pilcrow?

TuxCopter

15:43

Basically

Socratic Phoenix

okay, thanks :)

TuxCopter

»  cat examples/hello.jl
(set 'var (* 42 2))
(write-line var)
(write-line (- var))
»  ./bin/jlisp examples/hello.jl
84
-84

\o/

TimmyD

Riddicks first name is Richard? I'd never heard of that before. "Riddick" is the name of a kick-ass anti-hero, whereas "Richard B. Riddick" sounds like an accountant, and not a very good one at that. — Lego Stormtroopr yesterday

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Q: Generate antsy permutations

Introduction I defined the class of antsy permutations in an earlier challenge. As a reminder, a permutation p of the numbers from 0 to r-1 is antsy, if for every entry p[i] except the first, there is some earlier entry p[i-k] such that p[i] == p[i-k] ± 1. As a fun fact, I also stated that for r ≥...

TuxCopter

16:09

:D I borked everything and I don't know how

>_> I found why it bork

Lambdas works \o/

mbomb007

16:48

I found a palindromic user messing around with RTL chars. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/145534/…

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DJMcMayhem

17:11

PSA: Don't VTC spam. It doesn't do any good. Flag it instead and it will get nuked as well as punishing the user who posted it

4

Rod

@DJMcMayhem noted

Geobits

Spam? Where?

DJMcMayhem

Already deleted

Rod

@Geobits gone, he needed more avocado for the juice

DJMcMayhem

in Charcoal HQ, 5 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: i need this website authority to buy suplement by Saba Sheikh on codegolf.stackexchange.com

Geobits

17:14

Ah. I assumed from your PSA it had been closed rather than deleted.

TuxCopter

Well, at least the tagging is correct

DJMcMayhem

Well it had close votes so...

Kritixi Lithos

VoteToCLose

Geobits

@DJMcMayhem Yeah. I was just confused a bit because the most recent closed question I saw was obviously not spam :P

undergroundmonorail

Hey, I haven't golfed in a while. While I was gone was there a default created re: whether or not Y is a vowel? Working on a challenge where that matters and it seems out of character that no one's asked yet

TuxCopter

17:21

In french, y is a vowel, IDK in english

undergroundmonorail

In english it depends on context

Geobits

@undergroundmonorail I think it just depends on the challenge and the OPs decision.

undergroundmonorail

Like it is in "lyrics" but not in "toy"

Geobits

If the challenge is based on pronunciation it would have to be "depends".

TuxCopter

It's a semivowel

undergroundmonorail

17:22

Ok

I asked OP and if they say you have to include Y, it's an easy fix in my code

It's just weird that it's been up for 19 hours and got 6 answers and nobody asked

Geobits

I'd argue that it is a vowel in "toy" as well, but not in "you".

undergroundmonorail

actually yeah i didn't think that one through

Kritixi Lithos

"y" is a vowel in many other languages

TuxCopter

[1, 2, 3] === [1, 2, 3]
> false

Yay JS

Kritixi Lithos

WHAT

TuxCopter

17:29

o_O (Rickroll, but played in a game)

undergroundmonorail

my understanding is that js has issues with comparing arrays in general

like

[1,2,3] === [1,2,3] is false because the first array is fundamentally different from the second one in ways that aren't apparent on a surface level but are built strongly into the language

but i don't use js much so take that with a grain of salt

TuxCopter

I think it's because the two arrays are different instances of Array, so it's false because JS developers are visibly too lazy to overload == ._.

Kritixi Lithos

>!(!("js sucks"))
true

TuxCopter

Test #1 passed
Test #2 failed
[ 0.000109,
  ...,
  31.41592653589793,
  65536 ]
!==
[ 0.000109,
  ...,
  31.41592653589793,
  65536 ]
Tests ended
===========
2 assertions, 1 fails, 1 success

And this is why JLisp's tests fails

typeof([1, 2, 3])
> "object"

nice

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Q: Why is answer position depend on votes and not code size?

If the shortest code wins, at least when there is the code-golf tag, why is the list ordered using votes and not code size?

discussion answers

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17:38

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Best n out of 2n - 1 Challenge: This one should be relatively simple. Output this exact text: Best [n] out of [2n - 1]. given n as an input. Input: Just the integer n, can be from stdin or as an argument. n will always be greater than 0. Output: The exact text above. Trailing spaces/n...

TuxCopter

this guy is a wizard confirmed

undergroundmonorail

this is my best shenzhen i/o sandbox creation

which is to say, my only sandbox creation

but i still think it's pretty good

TuxCopter

@undergroundmonorail Youtube says Rhythm Paradise - 2008 as game, so I think it's done pretty well

undergroundmonorail

:)

that's actually weird that it says rhythm paradise, every region but PAL it was called rhythm heaven or rhythm tengoku

TuxCopter

Ah I am in France

undergroundmonorail

17:50

that would do it :P

TuxCopter

It's probably why

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