The Nineteenth Byte

Fatalize

07:05

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Q: How to handle a senior developer diva who seems unaware that his skills are obsolete?

A colleague is working in a small software development company (twenty employees). He's a part of a team of five developers who work on the leading product of the company. For a few years, the founder was unhappy about the technical skills of the employees, and he recently hired a senior develop...

"He decided to abandon all JavaScript libraries and frameworks except jQuery"

This feels like an elaborate troll

ASCII-only

But isn't jQuery pretty much the most redundant library now

Qwerp-Derp

07:26

Hey does anyone know C++ here?

Help

betseg

07:37

Kinda

@Qwerp-Derp i halp u

Qwerp-Derp

#include <iostream>
#include <string>
#include <sstream>

int multiply(int a, int b) {
    return a * b;
}

std::string input(std::string str) {
    std::string input_str;

    std::cout << str;
    std::getline(std::cin, input_str);
    return input_str;
}

int main(void) {
    int number;
    int number2;

    std::stringstream(input("Enter a number: ")) >> number;
    std::stringstream(input("Enter another number: ")) >> number2;
    std::cout << multiply(number, number2);
    return 0;
}

How do I condense down std::stringstream(input(string)) into something like input(string)?

@betseg Halp

betseg

I don't think I understand what this piece of code does

Qwerp-Derp

@betseg So it gets two inputs like this:

Enter a number: {a}
Enter another number: {b}
{a*b}

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Q: Letter-replacement challenge

Letter-replacement challenge See the meta post: #10293 The idea is simple. You've to create a "visualised" letter-replacement, by providing 3 strings (input can be comma separated, separate inputs, or as an array). The first segment is the word you want to correct, and the second segment is the...

code-golf

Qwerp-Derp

Is this code terrible?

ASCII-only

07:45

Yeah why not just use a * b directly

betseg

Does cout << "input a"; cin >> a; cout << a*b; work

Qwerp-Derp

@ASCII-only Because reasons

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp 0/10 unclear

betseg

@Qwerp-Derp ಠ_ಠ

Qwerp-Derp

(I'm learning C++ right now)

(And I'm learning about functions and stuff)

@ASCII-only FINE

#include <iostream>
#include <string>
#include <sstream>

std::string input(std::string str) {
    std::string input_str;

    std::cout << str;
    std::getline(std::cin, input_str);
    return input_str;
}

int main(void) {
    int number;
    int number2;

    std::stringstream(input("Enter a number: ")) >> number;
    std::stringstream(input("Enter another number: ")) >> number2;
    std::cout << number * number2;
    return 0;
}

Should I do using namespace std; at the top?

Or is that bad

ASCII-only

07:49

0/10 function adds way too much overhead, just use cin and cout directly for prompt and input

@Qwerp-Derp No never do that

Qwerp-Derp

lol

No but I want the input to be like this

Enter a number: 10

Not like this

Enter a number:
10

betseg

4 mins ago, by betseg

Does cout << "input a"; cin >> a; cout << a*b; work

Qwerp-Derp

(where 10 is the input)

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp What about it

Qwerp-Derp

Huh it works

#include <iostream>

int main(void) {
    int number;
    int number2;

    std::cout << "Enter a number: "; std::cin >> number;
    std::cout << "Enter another number: "; std::cin >> number2;
    std::cout << number * number2;
    return 0;
}

betseg

07:52

std::endl makes newline

Qwerp-Derp

OK this is buggy for some reason

#include <iostream>
#include <string>

void input(std::string input_str, int n) {
    std::cout << input_str;
    std::cin >> n;
}

int main(void) {
    int number;
    int number2;

    input("Enter a number: ", number);
    input("Enter another number: ", number2);
    std::cout << number * number2;
    return 0;
}

betseg

Not global variables

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp Use int &n in the method signature to pass n as a reference so it is changed

Qwerp-Derp

Wait what

Ah KK

ASCII-only

BTW IMO templates are cleaner here

pastebin

Qwerp-Derp

08:03

Huh

Did not know you could do that

c++ is magical

mınxomaτ

08:41

Tip of the month: Cheap android TV boxes make for really awesome build and test servers when running linux. A decent quad-core "TV box" is only about $30 now.

And they have a ton of IO.

ASCII-only

TV box?

mınxomaτ

@ASCII-only like these

Qwerp-Derp

10:00

Hello is anyone on?

udioica

not me

Qwerp-Derp

Aww

ASCII-only

Me neither

Qwerp-Derp

How do I change a text label's value in C++?

(using the window thing)

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp window thing?

Qwerp-Derp

10:07

Y'know, the thing in Windows where you create a window

And you can have buttons and stuff inside it

@ASCII-only Hello?

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp I don't know if this "thing" you're talking about

Qwerp-Derp

What???

Martin Ender

10:22

@ConorO'Brien codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/96486/8478

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10:46

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Q: Nest a string inside an array n times

You must produce a function which nests a string s inside an array, n times >>> N("stackoverflow",2) [['stackoverflow']] Parameters: s - An ascii string n - An integer >= 0 Rules Shortest code wins. The output will be a nested array, list or tuple (or similar type based off an array) T...

code-golf string

Sherlock9

10:59

@Qwerp-Derp Can you name the actual application please?

Conor O'Brien

@MartinEnder Holy cow. I'll add a bounty once DJ's expires

Martin Ender

thanks :)

My 1 is actually an increment operator.

Conor O'Brien

oh

ahhhhhh

Martin Ender

that's about to change though

Conor O'Brien

oh?

orlp

11:16

@MartinEnder did you check out your chebyshev brother?

Martin Ender

only long enough for it to creep me out thoroughly

orlp

:D

Martin Ender

@ConorO'Brien shortened it a bit more

udioica

11:41

6 letter edit rule wtf

The very evil ROFLcopter

^

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Q: how can write JavaScript program a function called longestWord

Write a function called longestWord that takes an array of Strings as an argument and returns the longest string in the array (i.e. the word that has the biggest number of characters). b. Read from the user 10 words and store them in an array of 10 elements. c. Print the array elements in the out...

java

The very evil ROFLcopter

> JavaScript

> java

ok

betseg

11:58

Lul

The very evil ROFLcopter

Anyone speak C here?

I think this is a correct struct initializer but GCC don't want to compile

Martin Ender

I think you just write the values, no .str=

The very evil ROFLcopter

Struct (C programming language)

A struct in the C programming language (and many derivatives) is a complex data type declaration that defines a physically grouped list of variables to be placed under one name in a block of memory, allowing the different variables to be accessed via a single pointer, or the struct declared name which returns the same address. The struct can contain many other complex and simple data types in an association, so is a natural organizing type for records like the mixed data types in lists of directory entries reading a hard drive (file length, name, extension, physical (cylinder, disk, head indexes...

For non contiguous or out of order members list, designated initializer style[4] may be used

/* Define a variable p of type point, and set members using designated  initializers*/
point p = {.y = 2, .x = 1};

Martin Ender

huh I've never seen that

betseg

What is make_ast_node()

The very evil ROFLcopter

12:01

Some helper function

I am writing a parser for VSL

betseg

I don't think it can has {}

The very evil ROFLcopter

But a thing like

struct my_struct s = {1, .b = 2};

is valid

betseg

Yes but it isn't an argument to a function

It's direct assignment

The very evil ROFLcopter

Ah

Vim says it's a syntax error if I wrap the initializer in parentheses

:/

betseg

Highlighting is red wtf

The very evil ROFLcopter

12:08

Yes... ?

betseg

Oh I thought you meant vim says it's ok that way but gives error if it's in parentheses

The very evil ROFLcopter

Without the parentheses there is no error, with vim highlight in red

The very evil ROFLcopter

12:20

inc/ast.h:24:19: error: field 'type' has incomplete type
     enum ast_type type;

watwatwat

Martin Ender

12:31

@ConorO'Brien added an explanation

although now I'm wondering whether pushing individual digits and multiplying them up would be shorter than the divmod

The very evil ROFLcopter

src/lexer.l: In function 'yy_init_buffer':
src/lexer.l:612:2: error: invalid use of void expression
Makefile:20: recipe for target 'obj/lexer.o' failed

Content of yy_init_buffer:

        {
        yy_flush_buffer( b );

        b->yy_input_file = file;
        b->yy_fill_buffer = 1;

#if YY_ALWAYS_INTERACTIVE
        b->yy_is_interactive = 1;
#else
#if YY_NEVER_INTERACTIVE
        b->yy_is_interactive = 0;
#else
        b->yy_is_interactive = file ? (isatty( fileno(file) ) > 0) : 0;
#endif
#endif
        }

The code look correct... ?

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12:49

0

Q: Display a Connect Four game

Connect Four is a game where two players take turns to drop disks into columns of a vertically mounted grid, and attempt to connect four disks orthogonally or diagonally. When a column is chosen, the disk falls to the lowest empty position in that column, so any game may be completely specified b...

code-golf grid game

The very evil ROFLcopter

@TheveryevilROFLcopter I put the wrong type in the function declaration of fileno ._.

Conor O'Brien

13:13

@MartinEnder this is beautiful :D

betseg

Whenever you see a video of birds doing something weird, remember: Birds are a small subset of dinosaurs, so the weirdness of birds is a small subset of the weirdness of dinosaurs.

Today's xkcd

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Q: Image Smoothie!

Image Smoothie! Input into your program a black and white image. (png, jpg, etc) Convert the image to a 2-d matrix of pixels. Where each index is the grayscale value of the image. Take each index of the matrix and average the 8 pixels around it. Then replace that index with the average. For e...

code-golf image-processing matrix

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@NewMainPosts Lot of questions today

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13:32

1

Q: Find the Infinity Words!

(Note: This is a spin-off of my previous challenge Find the Swirling Words!) Definition of Infinity Word: If you connect with curves all the characters of an Infinity Word on the alphabet (A-Z) you obtain the infinity simbol ∞ like in the diagrams below. All the even connection must be down, a...

code-golf string

ASCII-only

13:56

@Dennis ping about getting Charcoal on TIO, for the custom wrapper you should probably disable -r and --repr if you can, and exclude -i <input> if no input is given so multiple testcases can be given as via arguments (not sure if you need to do that because I have no idea how argparse works)

TimmyD

> This turned out to be longer than I thought...

I get that a lot on my challenges.

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi idea for Clone: What if it only takes 1 slot, but if one of your clones dies, they both die?

zyabin101

hi

I'm not really back, but I'm making a web comic. :)

Yodle

My car's brakes started making a gurgling sound this morning, guess it's time for my first mechanic visit ever.

Poke

@zyabin101 The past 3 times you've been here you've made it clear that you're not really back

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

14:11

@zyabin101 if you "aren't really back", then wtf are you posting vague/pseudo-enigmatic blurbs that nobody here (afaict) is really interested in?

Geobits

@Yodle Gurgling? That's pretty odd for brakes. If you've had brake maintenance recently I'd say it could be from a badly bled system, but other than that I can't think of why they would make any noise that could reasonably be called a "gurgle".

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Yodle are you using that xkcd thing of cat -> car?

if so, that that makes a bit more sense

but if not, then take video for science please

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill that could also work.

Geobits

It might be more reasonable that something else is gurgling (like coolant) when you brake.

Yodle

@Geobits Grinding maybe, I'm not too sure how to describe it. I had my fluids changed recently, but that's all I've had done. It stopped after I changed transmission from drive -> park -> drive at a stop light thinking maybe that'd help, which it did.

PhiNotPi

14:13

It basically removes the possibility of perpetual cloning, it's difficult/impossible to figure out whether cloning is a viable strategy.

Nathan Merrill

cloning would be a high DPS, low defense strategy

it'd be pretty powerful with ranged attacks

Geobits

@Yodle Hmm, well if it's grinding it might just need new pads. That's an easy driveway fix if you have basic tool knowledge :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

TIL Stockholm, Sweden tested a "Speed Camera Lottery" where speed limit-abiding drivers were automatically entered into a drawing to win a prize pool funded out of fines paid by speeders.

@flawr imgur.com/yekwaJW

Fatalize

@zyabin101 Saying "I'm not really back but let me advertise something" is basically the same as bots that post challenges with ads in the body of the question

And you advertise something that doesn't even have any content, which makes it even more "trolly"

TimmyD

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Is that cat sitting on itself?

Downgoat

14:20

@Fatalize good luck getting any message to him. He's blocked pretty much everyone whose entered the room

Fatalize

I know he likes me, so he didn't (jk, I think I'm one of the first people that he thought hated him)

Yodle

@Downgoat If he's blocked almost everyone, why does he come back.

Poke

@Yodle He's not really back

Yodle

I don't think I've ever said a word to him.

Downgoat

@Yodle because he has no where else to advertise his comic

Poke

14:23

He just likes to advertise things as Fatalize said

Fatalize

@Yodle Once you go The Nineteenth Byte, you never go back

Yodle

If all he does is come back to advertise, why do we allow it then :o

Poke

That's a great question for the RO's/mods

Downgoat

We already tried to ban him but bans are only temporary

Yodle

Ah I can see how that would be a problem.

Downgoat

14:25

@Poke @Geobits pls halp here

Geobits

This is the first time I've seen him back in some time now (did this happen more this weekend or something?), and it seemed (though a bit spammy) like he was at least somewhat low-key about it. If this is a regular occurence, that's one thing, but if it's just this time, the reaction to it has been more disruptive to "regular chat" than the post was imo.

Fatalize

Let's not vent out frustration on Zyabin though. We don't know who he is and what his life is like. He is unwilling to change his behavior for the better unfortunately, but I wouldn't want him to get the impression that we wanted to get rid of him whether he changed or not. I would welcome him back were he to change his attitude based on all the things we said. This is all on him though and seems unfortunately unlikely he will. This is no excuse for advertising wildly things in here, though.

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(Now to hope he hasn't blocked me and will read this :))

Poke

@Geobits http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=32880006#32880006
http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=32818401#32818401

Yodle

Personally I don't mind the ads that much since they mostly take up 1-2 lines (unless they do the expanded message, not sure how SE chat handles that). I was just wondering why if others don't like that kind of stuff why he hadn't been reprimanded more heavily for it (I read through some of the past temp bans).

Nathan Merrill

its all about frequency

Fatalize

14:34

— Nyquist, 1900 something

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Right, and that's what I was asking about. This is the first time I've seen an outright ad from him. Neither of the linked posts Poke gave are ads.

Poke

Anyone use Apache Wicket

Geobits

Attention grabbing, yes. But not ads, which seemed to be what the current complaint was.

The very evil ROFLcopter

Oct 12 at 18:23, by zyabin101

@Poke Ooh, that's one thing I will hate to experience again. Suspensions don't seem to teach (their claimed purpose), but rather drive the user away from the site and have them choose a competitor.

Huh

Fatalize

(I was afraid no one would notice my wits, sigh of relief)

Geobits

14:37

@Fatalize I almost didn't star it, but it does deserve at least one :)

Fatalize

Well a star from Geobits, that's like the Nobel prize of TNB

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Geobits

Nah, I've received plenty over time, so if I didn't give some back they'd just get moldy in the back room.

The very evil ROFLcopter

Question: With Bison/Flex, how to get the $$ of the start rule?

TimmyD

TIL, Fatalize is Bob Dylan

Fatalize

Fat Alize

… not sure that's a good name

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

14:40

@TimmyD 'tis a common pastime of my brethen.

Fatalize

There's only one cat so brethen is incorrectly used, isn't it?

Geobits

@Fatalize How about A Fit Zeal ?

(which in turn is much better than A Leaf Zit )

Poke

A Flea Zit

Fatalize

Lit af aze

PhiNotPi

@DJMcMayhem I want to know what this would look like with a much higher framerate (more samples).

The very evil ROFLcopter

14:46

6 mins ago, by The very evil ROFLcopter

Question: With Bison/Flex, how to get the $$ of the start rule?

please

TimmyD

I, fez alta

Fatalize

I wont change my nickname anyway

Yodle

Faze Tail sounds cool.

Geobits

@TheveryevilROFLcopter A more appropriate first question might be "Question: Does anybody here know anything at all about Bison or Flex?" Repeating an obscure question via quote after a few minutes doesn't usually work.

The very evil ROFLcopter

gtg

Dennis

14:54

@zyabin101 Just to be clear: We don't have a problem with you, just with the behavior you were displaying in chat. The constant "X hates me", "I'll ignore Y now", and getting worked up over nothing and not letting go (memes thread, TIO ad, etc.) is annoying and creates unneccesary friction. A suspension doesn't mean that we don't want you here, but that you should stop acting like this before coming back.

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Yodle

Quick question, what does TIO stand for.

Nathan Merrill

try it online

DJMcMayhem

Try it online

Yodle

Ah right, thanks.

Poke

tryitonline.net

Yodle

14:56

I can't visit it at work :(

Poke

really?

Nathan Merrill

@Yodle do they only have certain sites whitelisted?

Yodle

I'd have to request to get it added, not sure if I can as an intern.

Poke

oh gg

they probably wouldn't approve it anyway

Yodle

@NathanMerrill Most that I try to visit work, including stuff like reddit (although some subs were blocked when I was first here a year ago, now almost everything works), but if it's not a commonly visited place it's usually blocked.

Nathan Merrill

14:58

ah, likely a porn blocker then :)

if you don't recognize the url, its clearly NSFW

Yodle

Oh wait, I just had to do a captcha first to view TIO, maybe they added it after seeing me try a few weeks ago.

Nathan Merrill

a captcha?

your web situation gets more and more confusing

Yodle

shrug

Luis Mendo

@Adnan Congrats on 20k!!

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Emigna

@Adnan Congratulations!

mbomb007

15:11

I got this error this morning. Way to go, Outlook.

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Yodle

@mbomb007 Was that information helpful?!?

mbomb007

@Yodle :/ I actually forgot to click that after taking the screenshot, and closed it.

But I saw no issues with Outlook.

I just thought it was funny.

Adnan

@LuisMendo @Emigna Thank you very much! :)

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> Was this information helpful?

udioica

   @mbomb007 that's because it *is* funny

mbomb007

15:16

@Fatalize A Fez Tail

TimmyD

@Yodle It could be CloudFlare. They do that sometimes if there are a lot of requests coming from the same IP in a short range of time.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis what does ' do to dyads in Jelly? (spawn?)

Dennis

15:42

@ConorO'Brien Nothing useful. The current behavior is a (documented) bug. Use þ instead.

The very evil ROFLcopter

> documented bug

ok

TimmyD

Spam email I just received -- "DYK KPIs in RT inc. ROI? Click to find out MORE!"

The very evil ROFLcopter

ok

Martin Ender

I wonder what "MORE" stands for.

TimmyD

That's what I wondered, too.

Click to find out My Own Recipe for Eggs!

mbomb007

15:48

Ideone seems to be having problems... imgur.com/a/ireQc

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

A penny saved... Your program will be passed a variable which represents a quantity of money in dollars and/or cents. Your challenge is to output the number of possible combinations of pennies, nickles, dimes, quarters, and dollar coins that would add up to the amount passed to the code. Exa...

PhiNotPi

Is stats.SE a good place to ask about curve-fitting some particular data sets?

quartata

You know your C++ code is on point when you're only three lines in and you get a segfault

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Q: Make an ASCII bat fly around an ASCII moon

The Bat and the Moon Background Here is a Halloween related challenge. As you may have seen from my last challenge I quite like what I term as ascii art animations, that is not just draw a pattern but draw a pattern that progresses. This idea came to me after I was asked a couple of years ago ...

code-golf ascii-art

wizzwizz4

16:14

@quartata I once got a segfault on the first line of a C program, but I suppose C is slightly easier to accidentally break than C++.

TimmyD

#define segfault

wizzwizz4

@TimmyD Define is as the empty string?

@zyabin101 If you want to do awesome botty stuff, come to Beep Boop Maggot.

Geobits

The Block is Marky's room. For generic bot stuff, you want Beep Boop Maggot.

The very evil ROFLcopter

\o/ Internet is back

@wizzwizz4 Because C is superior

wizzwizz4

@Geobits I knew that... It was just a typo... Definitely a typo.

@TheveryevilROFLcopter Yes. Yes it is.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Wolves and Chickens There's a river and there are wolves and chickens on one side of the river. They have a raft and they all need to get to the other side. However, the raft cannot travel on its own. The raft will sink if more than two animals are on it. None of the animals want to get wet beca...

TimmyD

@wizzwizz4 #define #define ... better? :D

The very evil ROFLcopter

:D I am really close to finish VSL's parser

@TimmyD You are not allowed to do this

CPP will crash

wizzwizz4

@TimmyD #define #define // is better.

@NewSandboxedPosts I just met up with a group of irl friends to discuss that puzzle...

I know that sequence of random digits after a J...

TimmyD

@wizzwizz4 Hehe.

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 Hello!

:-)

We've been discussing C, and how to break it.

J843136028

16:33

I don't know any C, but I expect there's something like an exec('...') function like in Python. I think that they make it really easy to break a language.

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 There isn't.

J843136028

'eval(...)'?

wizzwizz4

It's compiled, so you'd need to compile a C compiler with the compiled code to implement one.

However, C has lots and lots of undefined behaviour.

J843136028

Do that. That would be an easy way to break it (with lots of code). Are you trying to do it in the shortest code?

wizzwizz4

And the #define statement is a little like find+replace.

@J843136028 No, but there's a challenge for that somewhere...

Give me a sec.

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A: Make your language unusable

Scratch The when [timer v] > (0) will run as soon as the code is initialised, which if you're in the editor is before you even start the code. The when I receive (join[][]) will cause an error to be thrown every time anything is broadcast, pausing code execution if you have Developer version of...

The very evil ROFLcopter

16:37

@J843136028 Hopefully it don't have one

How to break C: Use Flex/Bison. It will make so many errors you will think your compiler is broken.

J843136028

I wonder if it would be possible to break C with recursion (other than making it lagggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg‌ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg‌ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg‌ggggggggggg).

The very evil ROFLcopter

@J843136028 Segmentation fault: Core dumped

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 Yes. It's called a Stack Overflow.

The very evil ROFLcopter

@wizzwizz4 rofl

@J843136028 What happen is the program trying to overwrite protected memory areas. The OS don't like this and send a SIGSEGV to the process

And the process die

J843136028

An original way to make it break. @TheveryevilROFLcopter, "Avoid posting messages that add nothing to the conversation (^, ಠ_ಠ, rofl, etc.)." -- ppcg.github.io/chatiquette :-p.

wizzwizz4

16:43

@J843136028 We aren't that strict.

J843136028

Ooh, nice idea, @TheveryevilROFLcopter.

wizzwizz4

Most of the time...

The very evil ROFLcopter

Idea to break C: Send a SIGSEGV to itself

J843136028

I only just found that.

What actually is a SIGSEGV?

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 It's a signal. Gimme a sec...

The very evil ROFLcopter

16:44

A signal sended by the OS when the process do a thing that the OS don't like

When a process receive a SIGSEGV it instadie

wizzwizz4

Unix signal

Signals are a limited form of inter-process communication used in Unix, Unix-like, and other POSIX-compliant operating systems. A signal is an asynchronous notification sent to a process or to a specific thread within the same process in order to notify it of an event that occurred. Signals originated in 1970s Bell Labs Unix and have been more recently specified in the POSIX standard. When a signal is sent, the operating system interrupts the target process' normal flow of execution to deliver the signal. Execution can be interrupted during any non-atomic instruction. If the process has previously...

Erik the Golfer

@wizzwizz4 Ninja'd by TheveryevilROFLcopter, it seems!!

J843136028

Thanks.

wizzwizz4

@EriktheGolfer Just in case @J843136028 doesn't know about signals yet.

He/she's mostly a high-level Python programmer.

The very evil ROFLcopter

Ugh Python

wizzwizz4

16:45

Also knows JavaScript and Scratch, I believe.

J843136028

And ~~brainf~~ branflakes.

Oh, <s> doesn't work.

Erik the Golfer

@wizzwizz4 I meant that you were ninja'd by The, i.e. The said it faster than you.

@J843136028 Use ---...--- instead of <s>...</s>.

J843136028

Thanks.

Hang on, it did work.

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 I edited it. ;-p

The very evil ROFLcopter

@J843136028 Brain-Flak is a language

J843136028

16:47

Oh, yeah, you can edit comments.

The very evil ROFLcopter

github.com/DJMcMayhem/Brain-Flak

wizzwizz4

You see that blue on my username? That means I'm a chat mod.

J843136028

Is that the original?

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 It's an interpreter that conforms to the specifications.

The very evil ROFLcopter

@J843136028 Yep, it's the original Brain-Flak interpreter

wizzwizz4

16:48

The de-facto original is on esolangs.org

J843136028

So it isn't a language? I've seen people calling it that on codegolf.

Erik the Golfer

@J843136028 Yes, it is a language.

The very evil ROFLcopter

It's a language

An esoteric language to be exact

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 It's as much of a language as Brainf*** is.

Erik the Golfer

@wizzwizz4 But worse than that.

wizzwizz4

16:49

The interpreter's written in Ruby, if that confused you.

@EriktheGolfer Oh yes. Much, much worse.

J843136028

Just looked at the GitHub. I see.

The very evil ROFLcopter

But it's actually easier to do big numbers in Brain-Flak than in Br**nfuck

J843136028

Oh, can you do numbers above two hundred and fifty-six in each 'byte', then?

The very evil ROFLcopter

A bit can only handle 0 or 1

J843136028

facepalm I meant byte.

The very evil ROFLcopter

16:51

Ruby integers are bigints

And a byte is always 8 bit (So can only handle maximum 255)

Erik the Golfer

Also you can't do characters.

J843136028

I know -- but in Brain-Flak, could you do, say, '+' 257 times without breaking it?

The very evil ROFLcopter

@J843136028 + is invalid :P

But yes, cells are unbounded

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 Yes, I think you can go up to bigint's bounds.

Theoretically unbounded.

The very evil ROFLcopter

If you want you can put Graham's number in a cell without borking the interpreter

Erik the Golfer

16:53

Yes, there is a stack, not a tape. But, + is invalid. You have to do (()()()...()()()), using 257 ()s instead. Or... a much shorter solution.

wizzwizz4

@TheveryevilROFLcopter ... Wow.

The very evil ROFLcopter

(But you will probably run out of memory)

wizzwizz4

@TheveryevilROFLcopter Oh, I have infinite memory.

The very evil ROFLcopter

Cool, then

Erik the Golfer

This code pops and adds two numbers: ({}{})

wizzwizz4

16:54

Whenever I need more I just overwrite one of the infinite problems I generated with a regular expression.

Erik the Golfer

This code pops and subtracts two numbers: ({}[{}]).

wizzwizz4

Multi-line messages don't support markdown for some strange reason... -.(o.o).-

J843136028

Is this chatroom specifically for talking about breaking C? We should probably get back on topic. Brain-Flak is so much more useful than brainf***!

wizzwizz4

@J843136028 No, it's not.

It's about EVERYTHING! :-)

Erik the Golfer

@wizzwizz4 I know, I did it by mistake. Also, you probably have a slow connection, huh?

wizzwizz4

16:55

@EriktheGolfer Yes, but I wrote that for others' benefit after seeing you correct it.

J843136028

*others'

wizzwizz4

I was very confused until you corrected it.

@J843136028 *sigh* Yes, thank you @J843136028!

The very evil ROFLcopter

@J843136028 You can talk about cats on this room nobody will say you to stop if you don't 'overwrite' a conversation

wizzwizz4

Oh, and people get cross if you star everything, but stars are anonymous so they won't know who it is! >:-)

El'endia Starman

Yeah, TNB is the place for general conversation. If one topic continues for a while, it may be better to move it into a dedicated room for it (and we have many such rooms)‌.

@wizzwizz4 It's usually not terribly hard to figure out who it is. :P

Geobits

16:58

@wizzwizz4 Common misconception. For instance, this room has never (yet) talked about the effect of the Mad Waffle King's misguided invasion of the Land of Milk and Honey on today's economy.

El'endia Starman

And chat mods can clear stars anyway.

wizzwizz4

@Geobits Actually, we just have.

@El'endiaStarman But usually don't.

Geobits

(yet)

wizzwizz4

Except (occasionally!) to troll, or if somebody's being really stupid.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 Because stars are usually not abused.

J843136028

16:59

What do you think of this challenge? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

Erik the Golfer

Umm... you know there is a Brain-Flak room, right?

El'endia Starman

So don't you dare encourage star abuse.

wizzwizz4

@El'endiaStarman I won't.

Don't abuse stars, people!

J843136028

What are stars in this context?

Geobits

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The very evil ROFLcopter

16:59

flex scanner push-back overflow

ok

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