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TùxCräftîñg

19:00

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zyabin101

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A: What are the “spam” and “rude or abusive” (offensive) flags, and how do they work?

What makes something spam and when should I flag it? A post should be marked as spam ONLY when it contains an unsolicited advertisement. It should NOT be marked as spam when: The answer contains no useful information, such as an answer that says “I don't care about your problem”. Flag an answ...

TùxCräftîñg

~~blablabla~~

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg boom post exploded

TùxCräftîñg

@kirbyfan64sos No, far too readable for Perl. — Arcinde Aug 17 '15 at 18:54

CMC: Understand or flag this

zyabin101

> how convert 4 color object to single color in indesign?

betseg

19:10

how convert 4 color object to single color in indesign?

ah ninja'd

Dennis

@TùxCräftîñg The real challenge is selecting the text.

New Meta Posts

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Q: We need to talk about Chat

I would start this post with something along the lines of "without naming names", but I think it's time to pinpoint the issues we currently face in chat and take action. This is a follow-up to The state of chat. This post aims to identify specific problems and specific problematic users. Because...

TùxCräftîñg

@Dennis start from the first character of the final line and drag to the end of the first line

zyabin101

It's finally there.

Meta hates me.

Goodbye, chat.

El'endia Starman

Hmm. Apparently, there's a "#hearingprivilege" event going on on Facebook where deaf people share their experiences about how hearing people have it easier. It seems to me like many of them are really "#Englishprivilege" or "#notdisabledprivilege".

quartata

19:21

It seems fairly obvious to me that people who can hear would have it easier....

mınxomaτ

I think it's safe to ignore hashtags/drama that contain "privilege".

Geobits

@quartata Well, unless Bieber's on the radio.

orlp

@mınxomaτ #hearthbleedprivilegeescalation

mınxomaτ

@orlp Safe to ignore because it's too long to be popular. #heartbleed is sufficient.

quartata

@NewMetaPosts I do feel like this needed to be said but the naming names part doesn't really sit right with me anyways....

zyabin101

19:22

Also, it seems fairly obvious that every chat room in the room hates me.

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 #stopcreatingdrama

zyabin101

^

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Yeah, the "privilege" part already put me in a negative state of mind towards it, but I took a look anyway.

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ #heartbleed? Sounds like some new virus.

zyabin101

Here, the hashtag that has to be said to everyone.

TùxCräftîñg

19:23

30 secs ago, by TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 #stopcreatingdrama

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman requesting screencap of moderator UI

TùxCräftîñg

@TimmyD really big security flaw in SSL

zyabin101

To everyone on the internet.

mınxomaτ

@TimmyD Probably a good strategy to spread awareness. :D

orlp

@TimmyD ehhh

El'endia Starman

19:23

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC .....why?

orlp

@TimmyD you might want to google heartbleed

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg Also, please don't reply with message one boxes.

TùxCräftîñg

Heartbleed

Heartbleed is a security bug in the OpenSSL cryptography library, which is a widely used implementation of the Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocol. It was introduced into the software in 2012 and publicly disclosed in April 2014. Heartbleed may be exploited regardless of whether the party is using a vulnerable OpenSSL instance for TLS as a server or a client. It results from improper input validation (due to a missing bounds check) in the implementation of the TLS heartbeat extension, thus the bug's name derives from heartbeat. The vulnerability is classified as a buffer over-read, a situation...

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman there are so many things you can do... how do they fit it in such a small space?

Geobits

@orlp I'm fairly certain he's joking...

TimmyD

19:24

Holy crap, I was totally just joking.

orlp

@Geobits :O

you can read my mind too?

TimmyD

:D

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TùxCräftîñg link and then "." to prevent oneboxing

Geobits

@orlp Sometimes. It's harder across an ocean, but reception is generally better at night.

zyabin101

Because everyone hates me.

orlp

19:25

@Geobits alright

El'endia Starman

@quartata Yeah, I don't particularly like it, but I'm not sure if the post would be any better without.

orlp

I'm thinking of a real number between 0 and 1

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@zyabin101 stop making that up

zyabin101

@orlp 0.5

quartata

I mean, I'd hope an Exchange administrator would be aware of heartbleed

TùxCräftîñg

19:25

@orlp 0.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333‌333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333‌333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

orlp

> something something answering for others

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata it was all over the news

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg plz no

orlp

> something something answering for others

zyabin101

I'm gotta go to the Woods of Lurking and tame downgaots. See you around.

TùxCräftîñg

19:26

.o/

zyabin101

zyabin101 the Hated, 2015 — 2016

<br />

betseg

@orlp 1/pi

@zyabin101 plz no drama

TùxCräftîñg

@betseg 1/3

TimmyD

Note to self. Tack a /s on the end of future sarcastic posts.

TùxCräftîñg

^^^

betseg

19:26

@TùxCräftîñg 0.(3) would've been ok too

orlp

@TimmyD you should always do that /s

I'm never sarcastic though /s

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman I needed to cite recent incidents. Now all of these are replies to user XYZ, so why not name the problem. That's why I stripped the "@..." from the quotes. Feel free to edit the names out, but then please edit the @ back in.

TùxCräftîñg

In [5]: type(1/pi)
Out[5]: sympy.core.power.Pow

u wot m8

In [7]: pi**-1 == 1/pi
Out[7]: True

orlp

@TùxCräftîñg pi^-1

TùxCräftîñg

nvm til

Yodle

19:29

Does this chat support unicode?

TùxCräftîñg

ÿᴇσ

betseg

Ýéş

Yodle

Cause you can also do the 0.3 with the little line above it.

TùxCräftîñg

0.⁻3?

betseg

Yea but it isn't on the keyboard

TùxCräftîñg

19:30

use a compose key

betseg

Too hard to memorize

TùxCräftîñg

<Compose>+^+- = ⁻

<Compose>+e+' = é

^ rly hard to memorize

betseg

Oh it's shift+altgr in Xorg

TIL

zyabin101

<!DOCTYPE html>

Sherlock9

@zyabin101 Dude, I still like you. I wish there was more friendliness your own responses, though.

But I still think you're a decent contributor when you work at it

zyabin101

19:35

Ooh, very nice words.

betseg

@zyabin101 <html>

zyabin101

But I'm not really back.

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 <script>alert("ROFL");</script></html>

Sherlock9

I think after multiple cases of "please work on this flaw in the way you chat" requests without any attempt at improvement, it starts to get on people's nerves

mınxomaτ

@Sherlock9 Saying things like "every hates me" (facebook equivalent would be "I'm ugly"), is fishing for compliments. Feeding into that behavior won't improve anything.

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Sherlock9

19:38

Fair enough

I'm going back to working on my Sandbox post then

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ -1 for not calling it "We need to chat about Chat" :D

mınxomaτ

@TimmyD I don't want to steal that from someone who wants to talk about the chat tag ;-)

Yodle

̅3

Well, I was close

Geobits

Fish kiss?

mınxomaτ

haha

TùxCräftîñg

19:41

Jul 23 at 18:33, by TùxCräftîñg

so i am creating a 7-dimensional language

i still dont created it

brb

orlp

@TùxCräftîñg you can make multidimensional brainfuck

it's like regular brainfuck

except it adds ^ and v

TùxCräftîñg

irb(main):004:0> 2**7
=> 128

not so brb

TimmyD

Have we had a challenge like the following -- given an input of directions, e.g., 1 is north, 2 is north-east, 3 is east, etc., output an ASCII map of the traversal. Like what you'd see in an old Zork-style game. I swear we had one like this, but I can't seem to find it.

orlp

^ rotates the tape to an orthogonal axis

v undoes the rotation

zyabin101

@mınxomaτ I'm not fishing for compliments.

Geobits

19:42

@TimmyD I think so, but it might have been the reverse (output the directions given the map).

TùxCräftîñg

> Everyone hate me in this chat room. I am leaving.

Linus

Well... go on. leave.

trichoplax

@zyabin101 Although being melodramatic isn't always fishing for compliments, it has a similar effect on the mood of the room

mbomb007

Can someone point me to how to use Python's "%*c" format string? I swear I saw it used last week, but I can't find it.

TùxCräftîñg

the fuck is this

TypeError: * wants int

xD

Sherlock9

19:45

"%d"%(num) is my guess

mbomb007

@Sherlock9 No, to format em all at once. The whole tuple

Adnan

@Dennis Could you please pull 05AB1E?

orlp

@mbomb007 * always does the same thing

Dennis

@Adnan Done.

orlp

"%*_" % (a, b) where a is an integer is the same as "%a_" % b

zyabin101

19:46

I want to know what things (feeds, chatbots, ...) might keep the Woods of Lutking in touch with the outside world of PPCG, TNB, but without making it my personal webpage.

Optimizer

@TùxCräftîñg you know what it wants.. give it to it

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Adnan

@Dennis Thanks :)

orlp

"%5d" % 10 gives 10 left-padded until 5 width

TùxCräftîñg

in nethack * is a gem. do this mean gems want numbers? :O

Sherlock9

@Dennis, would it be easier, instead of asking in chat, to just pull every language once a week or once a day automatically?

mbomb007

19:47

@orlp Ohhhh, yeah I remember seeing that.

orlp

"%*d" % (5, 10) also does that

mbomb007

Yeah, I may be able to use that. But probably not shorter than what I'm doing.

orlp

but if you want variable padding

"%*d" % (n, 10)

Dennis

@Sherlock9 Without proper sandboxing, that's more or less equivalent to give all language authors the server password.

TIO v2 will have automatic updates though.

Geobits

Aww, what's the harm in that?

orlp

19:48

> tfw no sandboxing

betseg

@Dennis i like that

lemme make a new "lang"

can you pull?

Yodle

I don't see a problem, just make the password *******...oh wait, the chat makes passwords stars I forgot.

Dennis

@betseg Later, but I'll give you the password now. It's nicetry without spaces.

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El'endia Starman

@Yodle Really?! Lemme try: 123456.

orlp

@Dennis but but

Geobits

19:49

@Yodle Huh? No, you had it right. The password is *******

orlp

there are no spaces in nicetry

@Geobits hunter2?

Sherlock9

@Dennis Interesting. Did you mention any ETA on TIO v2 yet?

quartata

@Dennis Don't you use public key auth anyways

Geobits

@orlp You can see that?? You're not even a mod :/

orlp

@Geobits no I just copy pasted your stars

Sherlock9

19:50

With the understanding that asking for ETA for most software projects is often futile :P

betseg

***************

oh it works

Geobits

@orlp Ooooh, I didn't know that worked. Well, fail for me :(

flawr

DOG VS CATS

@Geobits only mods can see passwords?

TùxCräftîñg

@flawr xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx‌xxxxxxxxxxxxD

Geobits

@flawr Without using the copy/paste exploit orlp just mentioned anyway :/

Dennis

19:52

@Sherlock9 I hope to be able to release a beta version in October.

flawr

@Geobits But what if the passwort actually comprises only stars?

Sherlock9

Looking forward to it

Dennis

You and me both. I'll sleep better once everything is sandboxed.

Geobits

@flawr Hmm. I want to say that's insecure, but I'm guessing nobody would ever even try that :D

Dennis

Yeah, not sure if best or worst idea ever.

quartata

19:54

@Downgoat Have you given any thought to something like Cheddar on Rails

Geobits

Cheddar on Crackers

TùxCräftîñg

^

was about to say this

Dennis

@quartata I like fast food, but that's overdoing it.

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DLosc

Quick question: what's the site's current attitude on accepting answers? (Yes, no, only under certain conditions?)

TùxCräftîñg

I want script script to the monochrome text box Like MTSCRIPT — tiyammohammadi 1 min ago

El'endia Starman

19:55

@DLosc Basically, "wait a week, at least".

flawr

@DLosc or don't accept at all

Dennis

@DLosc You have two choices: accept the answer with the best score or don't accept anything.

Geobits

@DLosc In the past I've usually accepted answers after some time (about a week). I'm leaning toward not accepting in the future, but I'm unsure. Assuming you mean [code-golf] questions. For anything else, I'll continue accepting as usual.

DLosc

(The question in question.)

TùxCräftîñg

@DLosc i personally accept answers when my challenge is inactive for some days

TimmyD

19:57

@DLosc It seems like there are three competing camps, though. Those that say you should accept the "winner" (i.e., shortest for a code-golf) after a period of time, those that say that defeats the purpose of an open competition, and those that say the accepted answer should be what the challenge author thinks is best, regardless of scoring.

Yodle

All that password stuff reminded me of that one stack exchange (or maybe reddit) post of that sysadmin who was working with a 3rd party company where the guy was telling him he needs to provide a list of all the users' usernames and passwords in the company. I can't seem to find that post now, but it was pretty funny.

Geobits

@DLosc If you're asking about the ethics of accepting your own answer, I would just keep it open if it were mine.

DLosc

Thanks for all the answers! I ask here because some meta posts recently have been leaning more towards "The green checkmark isn't really helpful to PPCG, let's just not use it." Also because yes, the current shortest answer is my own answer.

trichoplax

@DLosc I'm strongly in favour of removing the accept feature but while we still have it, I generally accept after a week or so and then update acceptance if a better submission comes in.

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