It may never be removed, as that proposal is very controversial (+24/-13)

I'm actually leaning towards the third style. The accepted answer should be the one that I, as challenge author, subjectively deem "best" -- just like every single other site on the network.

@NewMetaPosts As a former owner of chatrooms on various platforms the users in question would have been banned perhaps even without the first warning if this kind of thing happened in my rooms. The drama caused simply by discussing whether or not there is an issue isn't worth it and there are plenty of other members who don't need to be talked to on the daily.

I haven't implemented that yet, so far sticking strictly to what I've established as metrics, but I'm considering it.

In practice, the accepted answer is the one which I, as the question poster, want to be seen first for my own reasons...

@trichoplax Precisely.

Which is why I'd like to see it removed for all sites, not just PPCG

@Yodle Oh I remember that!

I dunno. Sometimes it's nice on the technical sites to know that if nothing else, the solution worked for the OP. Which is the most common use on those.

On a related note, for folks who ask challenges, do you work out a solution in code for your own challenges? I very rarely do -- I think only once or twice out of the two dozen I've written, and that's because I needed to generate some examples.

@Poke Indeed. I moderate a chatroom for a 40k user platform elsewhere in the internet and our rules would have resulted in multiple bans. Eventually the user(s) would have been muted for a longer period of time. But in the SE context, reflecting on the whole thing is more common before taking action.

@flawr I know @Poke probably has the link, our friend showed it to us awhile ago.

@TimmyD I usually do for examples if nothing else.

I don't like the idea of the question author's extra vote overriding hundreds of community votes and displaying a different answer at the top

@trichoplax On posts like that, yes it kinda sucks. On less popular posts where they may be seven answers and hardly any votes, it's nice to have.

@TimmyD It depends on the challenge, but as a general rule I think I should have done for more than I did

@trichoplax also part of the issue is the adverse incentive of the two additional rep.

I hit 25k reputation! ★◡★

@mınxomaτ Problem here is that chat bans are global

@Lynn Grats!

@Lynn Nice.

BUt it is good in a way of showing an answer that solved the problem, which is important on SO and other technical sights like geobits said

@Lynn And your eyes turned starry o_O

@Lynn congrutlations on 25 rep!

I think it'd be more beneficial to have a winner per language, since it's hard to outcompete certain languages when using other ones. But that'd probably just get overly complex, and not every question has multiple answers for the same language anyway.

they're far more severe

@Geobits Yeah it is a great substitute for voting on quiet posts. I think there's been discussion on MSE of allowing votes to override which is displayed first if the top answer has more than twice the accepted answer, which seems like a nice compromise

I have seen (or gotten, can't remember) feedback on other SE sites saying, "Hey, OP, you really should accept an answer." So I've been diligent about accepting on my questions here. But it seems like the culture here is a bit different.

@Yodle It must have been on one of the SE's.

@quartata Yeah, SE chat is special. I don't have an idea about the mod tools available, that's why I directed the question at them.

@RohanJhunjhunwala An upvote and an acceptance?

@RohanJhunjhunwala bruh

@Yodle No acceptance and a leaderboard instead seems to cover that

@El'endiaStarman you can lock posts, put users into temporary suspension, show me your interface!

Kick mutes are always one minute and they're the only form of local ban as far as I'm aware

They're one minute the first time.

@trichoplax can I see a screencap of the moderator interface

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I highly doubt he's allowed to.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You can't see the mod interface without signing the contract and undergoing the rituals

@quartata Contract?

haha

Do the rituals involve blood loss?

(Unless you look it up on MSE)

Secret Service?

Secret pact?

@quartata If they stack up like Geobits mentioned, I'd say they are the appropriate tool. AFAIK it has happened before.

@Geobits Only if you pass the medical

@trichoplax @TùxCräftîñg 25k rep my bad

@trichoplax Ah, that shouldn't be a problem. I've done lots of those.

@Geobits Including that one time in Area 51

@trichoplax hahahaha

@quartata Kickmutes are incremental in duration, but they don't really solve long-term problems. And as you said yourself, an actual ban would affect the user on all sites.

One time? Ha.

@TimmyD Sometimes. I'd recommend it, though. In hindsight, one of my questions when I didn't ended up with too strict of an output format. I would've been more lenient if I'd had to write a version myself first.

I saw a special on Sci-Fi about it.

I'm sorry ... I mean SyFy.

Are you sure it isn't SighFigh?

As an aside, I named my wireless at home WyFy

@Dennis Is the growth exponential? I didn't know about this

@Geobits You combined the bad pun and the sigh into one... :P

@trichoplax Can't find.

@TimmyD Wyyy

my wireless is called "Loading..."

Aww, mine is just called 'Geobits'.

That's the 5Ghz SSID -- the 2.4GHz one is GuideyChippyThingy

Still not a solution either way

@TimmyD theyre different? ಠ_ಠ

> The kick-mute length increases with each instance: initially they will be kicked for 1 minute, then 5 minutes, then 30 minutes. After three kicks from the room, an automatic moderator flag is raised.

@betseg My comp lets me create a network (no internet of course) w/ any name - sometimes I name it FREE WIFI HERE! and see if anyone bites.

wait i have an idea

i can create up to 4 wireless networkss

and set their speeds

@betseg Yes, because I'm a jerk like that

(this seems like a good idea)

@betseg no plz

@Dennis Definitely not a solution then

dont be a jerk

k

@flawr found it! serverfault.com/questions/293217/…

be a enormous jerk lol

@Yodle there it is=)

Ok, so to summarize the feedback on whether to accept an answer: 1) there is no Yes or No consensus, but 2) accepting one isn't really necessary, and 3) since the shortest is my own, that militates slightly in favor of not accepting it.

thanks

@quartata To be fair, if someone keeps getting kick-muted enough to get to the flagging stage, I don't feel it's unwarranted to do a suspension.

Severe or not. At that point it's obvious they just don't care imo.

"PCI is now software"

If you hear somebody say "PCI" it means their security probably isn't so great...

PCI = security because we have to + marketing term

just download it and you're good

I thought PCI was a sweet card interface.

lol

^^

Pickled Carrot Icer.

@Dennis plz wat is mod UI

stop asking for this without doing the ritual

It might be quicker to find a site to run for mod on and find out that way.

Yes cause clearly it's that easy to become a mod

^

I didn't say easy. I just said quicker than pinging Dennis for it ;)

Less likely to get you kicked too

@Yodle Wow.

I suppose "could take a really long time or never" is quicker than "never."

^

@trichoplax is there a clause that says "don't show the users the fancy moderator UI"??

@Geobits You and your fancy "Pee See Eye" ... ISA is good enough for anyone.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Do you have a specific thing you want to know?

@TùxCräftîñg that's your fourth caret in 3 minutes. Please stop

I guess third actually

@TùxCräftîñg Your lack of chatiqutte is wearing thin... :P

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I think you are grossly overestimating how "fancy" it really is. It mostly consists of extra buttons below posts and a diamond button next to your reputation

@quartata it is hyperbole

Although I haven't really seen it much either...

@trichoplax screencap a random question

@TùxCräftîñg Don't push it

We are geeks. We are curious. It is part of our blood.

Okay just looks like I'll have to pull up Kali Linux then

:32561554 I find message deletion far more annoying than carets. Both can get you kicked, but deletion faster

@trichoplax carets can get you kicked!?

like normal carets, not chains?

If they are excessive, yes

I believe it counts as spam. If you agree, star the message if need be

> Avoid posting messages that add nothing to the conversation (^, ಠ_ಠ, rofl, etc.).

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC If you're just curious, you can find out all about moderation on MSE

@BetaDecay Star != agreement!

So many messages on "Stars are not for agreement" and "the starboard is actually being used correctly today"

:32561706 That makes 2 of us ;)

Are you trying to get kicked??

Sorry, I just had to=)

Is he deleting his own messages or is a room owner/mod deleting them?

Yup, piping TNB stars in here.

@flawr :P

@Rainbolt flawr's were self deleted

ROs cannot delete messages.

Anyone familiar with SAML SLO

since carets are banned

I'm going to have to be faster and stronger

and predict what people will say

v

I believe saying that you agree with something does indeed add to conversation.

So I've just finished taking over and editing Stewie Griffin's Sandbox post on what is now called the aesthetically pleasing divisor tree and I'm looking for bugs in the spec. Can you guys have a look? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/10092/47581

@orlp That was remarkably prescient

@orlp well played

v

nope

doubly-linked nope

phew

almost made an infinite loop there

=/ wanted to create an endless loop

github.com/ppcg/ppcg.github.io/pull/6

"How we got our usernames" time, anybody?

people are going to star whatever they want to star. i don't think that's an issue we need to concern ourselves with

I agree, so I starred.

You know where's fun and you don't get kicked for experimenting? The chat sandbox

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC My last name

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC name of my ytb channel

Caret cake

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^^^^^^^
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^^^^^^^

@Poke @Geobits Ask yourself one thing: What deserves to be on the starboard?

@roomowners You were given the authority to kick users. Given how much complaining there has been recently, some users have clearly worn their welcome thin, and do not deserve any more warnings. By now, trashing/kicking/muting is not inappropriate.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC My name.

What do stars mean? Communication is important

@trichoplax Are you sure you can't get kicked form there?

@TùxCräftîñg how'd you get the name of your yt channel?

tempted to accept that challenge=)

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Things that you want people to see later if they weren't reading along. So stars work better for agreement than carets for that.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What are stars for, then? Surely they should be for points which you agree with and you want others to see

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC i wanted to make minecraft videos and i was on linux

@Geobits Yes. But saying you agree in a multiperson conversation adds

you may take away my carets, but you will never take my /\

Starring a message is about the same as upvoting a challenge or answer as far as I'm concerned. If I find it interesting or it makes me smile, I might just star it.

but my computer was not powerful enough to record anything :/

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You might also ask yourself what messages should be condemned to be on the starboard?

@Poke Exactly

You know, not all messages like the fame.

@BetaDecay but some things you agree with and don't want to be on the starbaord

@flawr ^^

@flawr I've been asking for downstars, but all I've got now is this "cancel stars" button. Not quite the same, but it'll do.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Sure, but you should make your own judgement

Humans don't need an objective criterion for starring

@Geobits Stars are not votes. You cannot unstar a SO question

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Stars are whatever I use them for, to be honest.

@Geobits I always imagined shooting stars.

They use M-16s

I can't figure out how to ping backwards crazypython, so I'm not going to bother :-/

My rule for conversation is, if you can, add to the conversation and, if you can't, stay silent for a bit.

I don't always follow that rule myself, but I find that it helps.

@Rainbolt shall I change the upside down n to a normal n?

@Sherlock9 stating that you agree adds

@DJMcMayhem Given that the first kick-mute is always for one minute, if a user had been kicked already, you most likely wouldn't know it. It doesn't announce it to the room or anything.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Perhaps on this chat, merely agreeing is not necessarily enough.

@Sherlock9 IMHO some people could stay silent for a whole byte.

or a tryte

@Geobits that's fair. I just see a lot of "watch it or I'll kick you" but it never seems like anyone learns.

What's this "title" box in the edit user profile? I wrote "Sir" in it...

ANARCHY!

So after seeing that a bunch of times it seems like nothing is being done.

Nobody agrees, so ANARCHY!

I love it!

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I kept checking to see if TheBitByte/ColdGolf had been kicked but it never happened, weirdly

@Geobits I got suspended for 30 minutes during the StackEgg event. Are you sure the first kick mute is 1 minute?

What's this "title" box in the edit user profile? Is it prepended to your name?

ahhh the 'title' is only on SO

@DJMcMayhem It may not always be obvious to you when a user is kicked from the room, or suspended from chat network wide. The lack of announcement means chat can just continue smoothly without anyone having to think about it but the room owners.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC shown under your name

@TùxCräftîñg but what is it?

tfw there's only 20 minutes left until i go home

meep

@BetaDecay Like I said, you wouldn't know it if it had.

@TùxCräftîñg but what is it?

@Rainbolt Flags are handled by mods/10ks, and not the same as a kick-mute.

@TùxCräftîñg but there is no room there

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC a thing shown under your name in your SO profile

Night

it is not showing tho

@Geobits I was checking their user page

It says *user* has been suspended for *n* minutes

@betseg (you should move to Chicken or Beef, it's more stable there)

'night

Sir Quote

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC wat

@Rainbolt @u seems to work

@betseg you live in Turkey

Oh

:(

haha lol rofl

bai

bye!

Anyone living in India?

Likely

It literally means "Turkeyland" in Turkish.

@betseg XD

Yer english is good, no foreignness/accent detected

@MartinEnder dat expression in that profile picture

A serene and beautiful photo with good contrasts + dat face = perfect profile pic

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I don't know how you would detect an accent over text.

@betseg What is Indonesia in Turkish?

@Sherlock9 Endonezya ;_;

No meaning

From Indonesian Wikipedia: "Republik Turki (bahasa Turki: Türkiye Cumhuriyeti) disebut Türkiye (bahasa Turki: Türkiye)"

@DJMcMayhem téxt

@betseg So yeah, direct transliteration on both sides haha

@betseg "PPCG" in turkish?

@Geobits Dö ı hâve ân âççent?

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC programlama bulmacaları ve kod golfü ;_;

@DJMcMayhem I was going to say that. Or mention that you could detect an accent through grammatical errors (maybe spelling, too)

PBVKG

PBKG

ve looks like a conjunction

We don't have &

PBvKB

Teka-teki Pemrograman dan Kode Golf

@betseg lol, this conversation would not work over real life. Because normal people don't have developer culture.

@Sherlock9 TtPdKG?

@Sherlock9 I love what you've done with the challenge.I think it looks really good...

Ah shucks, Stewie :D Thanks a lot

CMC: PPCG in your native language.

PPCG

;_;

@betseg I think you can use drop the and in Indonesian abbreviations. So TTPKG maybe

@BetaDecay Now in welsh. :P

We love abbreviations in Indonesia. Not just with initials though. We use syllables too, so the abbreviations are pronouncable

I don't know enough about my native language enough - technically english is my second language but I'm much better at it

What's your native language?

@Sherlock9 That's pretty popular in Japan, too.

We do like pronuncable abbreviations too

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

@DJMcMayhem <BLOCKED BY ANONYMITY FILTER>

I may be translating the Welsh wrong

Afyonkarahisarlılaştırabildiklerimizden misiniz yoksa Afyonkarahisarlılaştıramadıklarımızdan mısınız?

@DJMcMayhem RPCG

Also, I typed that full name of Llanfairpwllgwyngyll entirely from memory, so there may be errors

@BetaDecay You are british.

So what do britons think of american accents?

I'm trying to watch a CNN stream for the debate later, but can't help but laugh at the medical commercials. I mean it's like 10% "we'll help" and 90% "you'll probably die". The latter why some android people are still smiling in the camera. This is quit hilarious.

(americans think british accents sound good)

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC most americans*

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I dunno... It's just another accent really :P

I do too

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ^

Holy cow, I spelt Llanfairpwllgwyngyll exactly right on the first try :D Woo!

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Britain is big. Some accents sound nice, I don't think Americans would like the more ... rural accents :D

@mınxomaτ is it like southern accents vs. american english?

Well, pretty much nobody likes the more rural US accents either :P

^

US is pretty big too. Boston sounds totally different than Texas sounds totally different than Brooklyn, etc.

Much more diversity than I previously thought.

I'm finding it hard to read "Britain is big" with a straight face though ;)

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Sure, but there are some accents in Britain that don't even qualify as a language anymore :D

At any rate, Teka-teki Pemrograman dan Kode Golf might be better abbreviated as TekPemKodeGolf or something similar

@Geobits In a linguistic sense, I mean.

There are more than 7000000000 people, did you think they all could've been the same?

This is how we see ourselves (warning profanity): youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

@Geobits Common misconception: "Britain is dense" ;)

Britain is small but damn is it powerful

s/britain/(?other things?)/

@ConorO'Brien Other things is small but damn is it powerful?

A song of patriotic prejudice (Alternate anthem for England) youtube.com/watch?v=EdY1Y5XNJBY

@mınxomaτ As in "it ain't the size that matters"?

Land ≠ power

Britain is the size of new zealand

Dammit Mercator

@Geobits It's the size of your fleet

IIRC they got most of that power by acquiring land ;)

No, New Zealand is the size of Britain

Yeah, but history creates power. And historically, Britain has had a lot of land.

@Geobits they lost it - and they are still powerful

And political reach is a whole other story.

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC For the same reasons I have to work with legacy code :P

I wonder which is biggest, Great Britain, NZ's North Island, NZ's South Island, or any of the five main islands of Indonesia

Answer: MURICA

Indonesia

Oh no

@Sherlock9 Hm, does WA have a landmass comparison? Probably.

Uk 240000km², nz 26000km², Sumatra 160000 km²

Oh it was miles

Sumatra 400000 km²

Ah right, our two largest islands are shared with other countries, and the rest of list between ID, GB and NZ goes, Sumatra, Great Britain, Sulawesi, South Island, Java, North Island

@BetaDecay I don't know how many users you were checking and how often, but I can confirm that a number of users were kicked and/or suspended and the room is a much more pleasant place than it could be

Ah, maybe I just wasn't online at the right times

The nice thing is you don't need to think about it... :)

@Sherlock9 just fyi, Java island is about the same as JVM's memory usage

@mınxomaτ Which WA are you referring to?

@Sherlock9 Wolfram Alpha

/Mathematica

Ah right. I should check

@betseg Sorry? Can you clarify that?

Jeez, I go mow the lawn and I have to read the transcript to catch up.

You don't need to mow the lawn. Keep it natural

@Sherlock9 A joke about Java's memory ussage

Ah nuts, it's 4 am and my class is at 7:30

Welp, time to get coffee, I guess

@BetaDecay It's better for camo and SWAT hostage rescue

Who asked about if anyone here was from india?

Exactly. El'endia's a prime target for that sort of thing... I think

@Sherlock9 it's midnight and class at 9am lel i got time to sleep

@BetaDecay ?

Goodnight, sir

Goodnight, mr or mrs

nobody ever says that, lol

Goodnight y'all

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@BetaDecay indeed

TNB is not general discussion for ppcg.stackexchange.com - mostly a chat room for chatting

basically

it's called chat.stackexchange.com for a reason :P

Cya

This thing gives windows start button back, apparently -> classicshell.net

@ConorO'Brien haha, it's a prime in a target.

@ConorO'Brien always gets @ConorO'Brien's jokes

Someone has to :P

@BetaDecay Klingon has no words for golf or puzzle, so I would say ghun'vaD je ngoqHom: Games for Programming and Small Code

(my native language is totally Klingon)

Oops I meant ghun'vaD Quj

can't edit :/ oh well

I'm going to start quoting this:

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC yeah, he's a great dude

and that was two pings ._.

There isn't a tag for Dragon Quest VII on Arqade :(

Attempt to Google Translate "Programming Puzzles and Code Golf" to Korean just gives a transliteration into Hangul. I get a similar result with Japanese.

@BetaDecay No sir! I didn't do nothing!

This feels more meaningful: 小さなコードや楽しみのために検索

@El'endiaStarman Don't underestimate police officers who have no idea that some people could be deaf.

Or innocent even.

Innocent until proven guilty. Corollary: Innocent and preferably living until proven guilty.

Corollary 2: Innocent, living and uninjured until proven guilty

Not as pithy, but should get more of the main points across

I really want to agree with Corollary 2, but you're missing a comma after "living" ;)

The pantheon terminal is really beatiful. I wish there was something like this for windows. Maybe a skin for ConEmu or something...

If a dude tells you the guy you are about to shoot at has no weapon and has a brain injury, don't shoot

@mınxomaτ htop left, what's on the right?

bmon

> F8 Nice + F9 Kill

@Geobits Nuts. Forgot the Oxford comma

And I can't edit

Well, that escalated quickly.

Corollary 2: Innocent, living, and uninjured until proven guilty

@El'endiaStarman "Could you please die?" vs. stabbing motions

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Actually, I think Nice + is for increasing the niceness of a process, which means lowering its priority so it gives up CPU cycles to other, less nice processes.

@El'endiaStarman knew about nice, not the nice I was thinking of

According to my research, just counting the Indonesian parts of the islands gives the list (between ID, UK, and NZ): Kalimantan, Sumatra, Western Papua, Great Britain, Sulawesi, South Island, Java, North Island.

If you count the islands and don't separate by country, only the top three change: New Guinea (aka Papua), Borneo (Indonesian part: Kalimantan), Sumatra