The Nineteenth Byte

5:02 PM

Nitpick: That's not a quine.

an idea about the graduation script:

div#input-area {
    background: repeating-linear-gradient(45deg, #125700, #125700 2px, #255F00 2px, #255F00 4px);
}

Dennis

The output shouldn't have a trailing newline.

betseg

@Dennis it doesnt in vim, does it in V?

Dennis

Yes. You can tell by the blank line in the online interpreter.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis ಠ_ಠ

zyabin101

5:05 PM

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A: Output "Lorem ipsum" with minimal number of characters

Fourier, 1449 bytes Golfed using isaacg's meta golfer. 76a111a+3a101a+8a32a105a+7a+3a+2a-8a32a100a111a-3a+3a+3a32a115a105a116a32a97a109a-8a116a44a32a99a111ava+5a101a99a116a101a116a^a-3a32a97a+3a+5a+7a-7a115a99a+6a+5a-7a32a101a+7a-3a116a44a32a115a101ava32a100a111a32a101a+4a117a-2a-6a+2a100a32a11...

Oh noes, a DOWNVOTE!

betseg

wtf

DJMcMayhem

@betseg it doesn't work in vim since you need escape, which is implicit in V

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Why does it print a newline though?

zyabin101

Why is it? ;_;

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis because it's based off of a text editor, and you rarely want to save a file without a trailing newline, so it inserts it automatically.

zyabin101

5:08 PM

Now the score is a round 1-1. 199 away.

DJMcMayhem

Does that really not count if the newline is just always automatically there?

zyabin101

In the meantime...

I reached 800 rep!

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, but it's a golfing language. There are reasons gs2, CJam, Jelly, etc. don't print trailing newlines, and being able to easily construct quines is one of them.

El'endia Starman

@mbomb007 Ahhh Veggietales!

♪ Oh where...is my hairbrush? ♪

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis do you think I should disable that?

zyabin101

5:10 PM

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A: Output "Lorem ipsum" with minimal number of characters

Jelly, 459 bytes I'm so much positive that can be golfed more. “¡^ṫ'SỴQɲạġı_¥ṇḌ¥IZƑ_NyvFLjġhẇịḟ⁵5;ƊDḂḌ7Ċ`ẸẠṚ⁾ƝṃĊGḳɗ\ƈcỤ)ḣṢ\ṂȯċỴ>Ạ.Ȧcƥ8DNƭ]:`mṛ?>Ṇ9⁸ƊȤɱĿ×ċẈ×.²:¥ʂj#]hȥ%Ṭ¡ØḲbƙ⁼ṙmZ~¹<ṂE£ażṠṖeƊƬmĊŀ⁴CɗȥŀẸẸç[ƒPŒɦịƲƊıV¥ŻḢ8Ṙṣ3£ȮʂDÑ€O(Ƈṃ⁺ṗƘo,5ẇqç7⁶vpȦƈ2ṿṫ0Ɱro£e×⁸ṭñȤọZAØḣ[ÆvỤwḶælṡỴ¿= ṙwṄḃ?ẇṛ0Æc^CḋXlỴþƲȤⱮɱ...

New Loophole Proposal

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A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Improper quines We've reached consensus on what counts as a proper quine over a year ago, yet the occasional "quine" that consists of nothing more than literals and/or NOPs still comes up. While these answers used to be tolerated (and, on occasions, applauded) unless the challenge specifically ...

Dennis

@zyabin101 I can think of two reasons. 1. You just pasted the desired output into a meta golfer. That's not very interesting. 2. Some of us (myself included) are tired of the shameless plugs in this chat room, especially if the post they link to doesn't contain an explanation that would actually make it worth reading.

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zyabin101

I'm also positive that answer will fare as good as the Fourier one.

Yeah, a novel approach would fare better.

TimmyD

@mbomb007 OK, I answered, even though quines in PowerShell suck.

DJMcMayhem

I'm really close to coming up with a vim Quine, but it's really hard! I have qq2iq<esc>"qpqdd@q but it's not quite right

zyabin101

5:15 PM

Hmm, Base64 :3

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Not having a trailing newline is annoying when you use it in a terminal, but you could add an interpreter flag like I did with Jelly: jelly eu 123 prints 123, but jelly eun 123 prints 123\n

zyabin101

>>> base64.b64decode("Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet/+consectetur+adipiscing+elit/+sed+do+eiusmod+tempor+incididunt+ut+labore+et+dolore+magna+aliqua==")
'.\x8a\xde\x9b\xe8\xa9\xb2\xe9\xbev\x89h\xaf\xeb"\xb7\xe6\xa6z\xdf\xfer\x89\xecy\xcb^\xb6\xea\xfei\xd8\xa9\x8a\xc7"\x9e\x0f\x9e\x96+\x7f\xfa\xc7\x9d\xf9\xda>z+\xac\x9a\x87~\xb5\xe9\xa9\xa2\xbf\xa2\x9d\xc8\x9d\x89\xdb\xa7\xb7\xeb\xad\xfaV\x9b\xa2\xb7\xbez\xdf\x9d\xa2Z+{\xe9\x9a\x82v\xbejX\xaa\xb9'
>>> '\x00' in base64.b64decode("Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet/+consectetur+adipiscing+elit/+sed+do+eiusmod+tempor+incididunt+ut+labore+et+dolore+magna+al…

DJMcMayhem

Does that really make it invalid otherwise?

zyabin101

>>> base64.b64encode(<that gibberish from ^^>)
'Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet/+consectetur+adipiscing+elit/+sed+do+eiusmod+tempor+incididunt+ut+labore+et+dolore+magna+aliquQ=='

DJMcMayhem

And are flags even allowed in a Quine?

Dennis

5:20 PM

@DJMcMayhem Yes. The output has to match the source code.

@DJMcMayhem No. That's why not printing the newline should be the default.

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem ._. Is that even possible

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat I hope so. You should try it! I've been looking for one for a long time but never seen one

Downgoat

>_> idk I can't even make cheddar Quine

betseg

Bash + GNU Coreutils: base64 -d<<<"gibberish" should i post

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat yeah, it's the freaking <esc> that makes it way harder

betseg

5:24 PM

Or add a gzip/gunzip step

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem can't you instead use \e (escape char)

zyabin101

This is the worst day.

El'endia Starman

One of those questions that has a surprisingly interesting answer:

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Q: Which is stronger, rope or rope with knots?

Suppose I have two identical ropes, one of which I manually tie some knots in. If I use them to hang clothes, which one is more durable? Personally I think that rope with knots will be more durable, but I can't come up with a satisfactory reason.

betseg

@zyabin101 y

El'endia Starman

Excellent answer. One more point: When a knot is tightened, there is movement, and friction, which cause heat. Heat has a harder time dissipating from a knot (and there is much less movement between the fibers in a rope without knots). Some high strength fibers, like Dyneema, have low melting points. When you example Dyneema which has broken, it often turns out to have melted! — Jon Kåre Hellan 2 days ago

DJMcMayhem

5:28 PM

@Downgoat no, you still have to hit the esc key

zyabin101

I had to delete two answers due to them being very bad.

betseg

@zyabin101 lul

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Grr, I'm so close! qqiqqdd@q<esc>Fq"qpqdd@q

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Which one do you consider interesting?

betseg

@Downgoat don't add the css

Will this work? :P

DJMcMayhem

5:37 PM

@Downgoat I got it!

21 keystrokes!

\o/ I'm so freaking happy right now

betseg

@DJMcMayhem what r dey

DJMcMayhem

I wanna post it as an answer, and I'm too busy to right an answer rn

If you want, I can ping you when I post it

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman I would've said unknotted is stronger, but without knowing why :P

betseg

@DJMcMayhem Np ill find it

Geobits

Help. I want to downvote all the "This was golfed by pasting the output in a program and copying it from there" answers, but I don't want it to reverse them all for being "serial voting". #DownvoterProblems

betseg

5:47 PM

@ downgoat help^

zyabin101

@Geobits Don't.

Some of these might be rather interesting.

Geobits

Why? It's not even really accurate to say "golfed using blah", because the entire thing was written with zero effort. I don't mean "written and then ran through an algorithm to golf it further" or "it was trivial and there's a builtin for that", I mean literally just copy/pasting it into a program and then into an answer.

If I wanted to see what the "golfing program" made of it, I could just run the program.

It fits "this answer is not useful" very well imo.

zyabin101

(In other news, I finally did the algos.

betseg

@Geobits you downvote first half, i downvote other half

@zyabin101 what algos

zyabin101

Here, I want feedback and writing golf.)

@betseg ^

Geobits

5:53 PM

Oh jesus. That looks like a very long description for what it is.

zyabin101

^

Fatalize

looks more tedious than just looking at the tent directly

zyabin101

That's why I need writing golf.

@Fatalize But I need to clearly say how exactly are the tents generated.

Fatalize

Well no, you just need to look at it to understand it...

Geobits

There's nothing wrong with an explicit written spec, but I agree that what's there now is just plain too long.

Beta Decay

6:09 PM

That's weird... People have started downvoting all of my metagolfed Fourier answers. Even the ones I haven't linked to...

Geobits

They'll probably get reversed if they did all of them. I don't know exactly what the limit is, but I'm guessing it's less than that.

Beta Decay

Meh, I don't mind, I got an upvote on Golfing String in Fourier which counteracts the twp down votes

zyabin101

6:29 PM

Hello, World!

I typed it in tree buttons :3

using TyperTask

I'm starting to like it

Geobits

> Use it to automate chat conversations, website logins, programming code blocks, HTML tags, or anything else you can imagine.

Hmm... suspicious...

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem :O :O :O :O :D :D :D :D \o/\o/\o/ \o/\o/ \o/

Share source?

@Geobits there's this nice guy who sent me an email offering to automate my bank login if I give him SSN and bank detail :P

Geobits

@Downgoat Yeah, that was me. Are you gonna do it or not?

Downgoat

;_; i send bank detial to Nigerian prince, still waiting on him. Then I'll follow up on your offer

El'endia Starman

@flawr I was mostly talking generically. As in, the answer to that question, not meaning the actual SE answers, is interesting. If you like, the top two SE answers combined could be that generic "answer" I was talking about.

Geobits

6:40 PM

@Downgoat I await your response then :)

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem that would be nice :3

El'endia Starman

@zyabin101 Have you tried/used AutoHotKey? Seems like it does basically the same thing.

zyabin101

:I

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman :/ AuroHotKey is not synonym for kludge... odd

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Sounds good, I'll let you know. AFAIK this is the world's first vim-quine

Downgoat

6:47 PM

:O congrats!

PhiNotPi

digicortex.net cool brain simulator

zyabin101

Hey, I can make little cheats for NetHack with TyperTask >:D

#elbereth ={escape}EaElbereth{enter}

writes Elbereth with your a item, whatever it is.

TùxCräftîñg

Hahaha

One of the bad reviews of nethack on googl play is because the game is not in french

mbomb007

7:22 PM

I never knew Python's turtles were so awesome!

PhiNotPi

I wish there were a way to hold a language-design contest where the goal is to compile to QFTASM (quest-for-tetris assembly).

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Oh I see=)

PhiNotPi

As in, create a language of similar role to Cogol, but better. The two main objectives are 1) ease of use of the language, and 2) execution speed when compiled to QFTASM.

I don't know of an objective way to judge the former criterion.

zyabin101

Hmm, idea: compile QFTASM to real assembly.

Geobits

@PhiNotPi Give a finite amount of monkeys a laptop each, for each language. Whichever language's group of monkeys creates a working program meeting some spec first, wins.

Martin Ender

7:37 PM

@PhiNotPi I'd honestly be impressed by an objective winning criterion for any language-design challenge that isn't gameable.

zyabin101

^

muddyfish

@PhiNotPi Where can I find QFTASM? I'd be interested in looking at it

zyabin101

@muddyfish play.starmaninnovations.com/qftasm

Sherlock9

@mbomb007 They are :D Golfing suggestions incoming

PhiNotPi

@muddyfish Also, the current toy language (Cogol) can be found here: github.com/PhiNotPi/Cogol

Sherlock9

7:43 PM

You do not need t=Turtle(). A synonym for penup() is pu() and every other command you use does not require t. once you use from turtle import*

Though I have only tested this in Python 3

Geobits

"C of Game of Life" < "Game of Life For You" :P

PhiNotPi

@Geobits It's mainly a backronym for "COBOL but with BOL changed to GOL"

Geobits

Yeah, I figured that. It's just that it's so tempting to turn "GOL" into "GOLF" around here.

Sherlock9

@Dennis Apologies for my many prior shameless plugs