The Nineteenth Byte

Downgoat

22:02

cheddar> Downgoat is what is Goat
true

TIL I'm what is goat

Anonymous

4

Anonymous

This is far too satisfying

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I'm gonna go upvote you to ruin it. :P

Anonymous

Nooooo I totally didn't post that in hopes of getting upvotes from people who want to ruin it

Downgoat

cheddar> what is love
"baby don't hurt me"

6

is operator is best operator

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

22:09

:/ Windows is stupid. Linux is stupid. Mac is stupid expensive. Computers are just stupid in general.

7

dorukayhan

gravatar.com/avatar/…

does this identicon look beautiful to you?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh, and while we're on the topic, V is stupid.

LegionMammal978

@dorukayhan I just realized that you can edit the random hex string to get new patterns

2

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan while we're all on the topic, Python is stupid :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

For once, I agree.

And neovim is also stupid.

Anonymous

22:11

Nothing works. Everything is _UNK.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Downgoat But JS is also stupid.

LegionMammal978

gravatar.com/avatar/…

^ Ow my eyes

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ;_; y u do dis

Lynn

@Downgoat Is what is like typeof? :D

Downgoat

is <whatever> does (a) -> <whatever> == a but what is will return the object's constructor

To display the class the REPL will reference it's String cast attribute which in this case returns "baby don't hurt me"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

22:16

@LegionMammal978 >_> DELETE TOO MUCH PAIN

PhiNotPi

@Dennis What exactly does the "debug" feature of TIO do? It looks like it prints some timings and also some STDERR messages. I'm asking because I'm working on an interpreter that will spit out a lot of optional debug text, and I want to know if the only thing I have to do is direct it all to STDERR so that it doesn't normally appear as the program's output.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@PhiNotPi That's correct

PhiNotPi

okay thanks

Dennis

@PhiNotPi Yes, debug toggles STDERR and adds a time command. Other features (such as a hexdump of the output) are planned but not yet implemented.

For the curios: github.com/DennisMitchell/tryitonline/blob/master/cgi-bin/…

Downgoat

@Dennis what do you use to host TIO?

quartata

22:26

Digital Ocean I believe

PhiNotPi

I just realized how much mayhem would be caused if TIO went offline.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

I just realized that after you said that.

Dennis

@PhiNotPi Front- and backend are on GitHub. I should create a repo for the entire /opt folder (where the interpreters are stored) so that someone else can recreate it without too much hassle. Just in case.

@Downgoat Yes, Digital Ocean. It's a low-end droplet (because the better ones cost serious money), but I'm very happy with their service.

Downgoat

@Dennis have you encountered memory problems? (I have)

Dennis

Memory is a tad low, yeah. I could ~~start begging for money~~ add a Donate button, so I can afford a better droplet.

PhiNotPi

22:33

Get SE to pay for it? .... yeah that'll never happen. :(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

quartata

@Dennis I'm sure the good folk of the 19B would drown you in cash

Quill

( or add GoogleAds )

Downgoat

^ that's a good idea

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata >_> I keep seeing a weird bird not a sleepy pichu.

quartata

22:34

Yeah, I wouldn't be against a few non-intrusive ads on TIO. I don't think you'd get a lot of revenue from them though

Quill

Probably enough to run the servers, though, right?

Helka Homba

@Dennis It's not a bad idea. That's how the PPCG Minecraft Server has stayed running so long

PhiNotPi

Any clue the number of daily pageviews that TIO gets?

quartata

@Quill I dunno, what's the RPM of AdSense again?

Or is it not fixed

@PhiNotPi Lemme check

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata not fixed

@quartata benchmarks seem to be about $0.25 to $3 for a generic webpage, but from $1 to $10 for something like a blog.

because different ads pay different amounts of money

quartata

22:37

@PhiNotPi I can't get traffic data on Alexa for some reason

Dennis probably could tell us

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Looks like $1 to $3 per thousand impressions.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

kk

quartata

One ad on the top and one on the side would probably get a decent amount then.

PhiNotPi

I think TIO would be classified as a "generic webpage" since there's almost no textual content for the algorithms to go off of.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Holy shit, that's way more than I expected (assuming it's accurate)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

22:40

hahaha most common source of traffic from searches is for "jelly interpreter"

Dennis

I'll try a Donate button first. I'd only consider ads if the only other option is to shut the service down.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

\o/ Almost 10% is to V!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lel

PhiNotPi

Looks like it averages about 20K visits a month, which could translate into $20 a month... not sure how much is needed

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

22:44

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 9% of traffic on TIO is to V.tryitonline.net

Downgoat

Cheddar get's more views than my blog ._.

Dennis

Holy cow! That's a lot more than I would have thought. Could that be right? I'll have to compare it with my logs.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

where do you see that?

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan umm...

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

wat?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hm

what website?

quartata

22:45

That's what I see too

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12 secs ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

what website?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

The one you linked to.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh I see it now

Downgoat

Q_____Q Code Review gets 9x more traffic than PPCG ;______;

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I was looking at the same site, but different page

@Downgoat :(

Dennis

22:47

I currently pay 5 dollars per month for 1 core/512 MiB RAM/20 GB HDD. 20 dollars would get TIO 2 cores/2 GIB RAM/40 GB HDD.

PhiNotPi

@Downgoat Quality over quantity, my friend.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

@Dennis hm. maybe try 2 ads out for a month and see the revenue?

Dennis

7 mins ago, by Dennis

I'll try a Donate button first. I'd only consider ads if the only other option is to shut the service down.

quartata

Nah, he doesn't want to run ads.

It would be morally questionable anyways. It is a community effort after all

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Yeah, I'd rather donate than see ads.

Downgoat

22:48

Feb 28 at 4:05, by Toga Down

@SirPython Quality > Quantity

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

I think it might be because in Puzzling, there's pretty much one correct answer, and for bigger puzzles, people just collaborate

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis okay

Downgoat

@Dennis o_o do you have swap?

i have same plan and website crashes when i get 15 views

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Unlike PPCG, where you pretty much always have to come up with your own answer

wat

quartata

That's because WordPress is incredibly poorly optimized I suspect

Dennis

22:48

No, I don't have swap.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15 views

gg

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ thanks

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

welcome

Dennis

@Downgoat What kind of crap does that run on?

Downgoat

@Dennis goat

Quill

22:49

@Dennis Wordpress

Downgoat

(on more serious note it uses wordpress)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

> Goat is crap -- Downgoat, 2016

El'endia Starman

@Dennis I could certainly try setting up a backup on the shared hosting server I use.

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ಠ_ಠ no I meant Downgoat

stahp taking what i say out of context

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

> Downgoat is crap -- Downgoat, 2016

Dennis

22:50

The simple solution seems to be not to use Wordpress then. Apache + all the interpreters are usually happy with 512 MiB.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman you having server problems?

Heroku is OK

Downgoat

@Dennis it appears to be a problem with MariaDB more than WP

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

but free forever

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Nooo, did you see the conversation before?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman no...?

Dennis

22:52

@El'endiaStarman Great! As soon as I add the needed parts to a GitHub repo, that should be as easy as installing a couple of packages and cloning the repo.

Downgoat

@Dennis if you have source on Github, do you manually deploy, do you have cron job or something?

Dennis

Manually.

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Dennis was talking about TIO, and a couple people realized that there would be big problems if it ever went offline. I was thinking about copying the code over to make a backup on my server, where I have my websites already.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman what hosting do you use?

Downgoat

^

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

22:53

I made another bot (well it's an old bot, the reddit part is new though:)

reddit.com/r/RSimBotTestArea/comments/4uaaob/…

> This bot likes to talk about terrorism, bacon, politics (esp. Donald Trump), and zombies all at the same time.

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Webfaction. It turned up as a good choice in my research for shared hosting servers that support Django.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman I looked them up and they're really cheap

Helka Homba

@Dennis If it helps, the PPCGMC donations have totaled around $82 usd and the monthly cost is $4. It's still got 4 months banked.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

like wayyy cheaper than heroku

@HelkaHomba there should be a graph of remaning balance

> $10/month, 100GB SSD storage, 1GB RAM, 1TB bandwidth

Helka Homba

in PPCG Minecraft Server, 17 mins ago, by Helka Homba

PAYMENT STATUS:
July 23, 2016 - Paid $3.98 (USD) for August 6, 2016 to September 6, 2016 hosting fee.
Our balance was $20.39 and is now $16.41.
One user donated since the last payment (https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/24544?m=30547933#30547933).

I post that every month

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

22:55

but charts are better

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

no

it's fine

quartata

I really dislike Heroku.

PhiNotPi

I use OpenShift for my hosting, since we're on the subject. I host my blog using their free plan.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata it

Dennis

I'll probably include BTC as a payment option so the records are public. Not sure if there are transparent options for "real" money.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

22:57

's the only good free hosting, openshift isn't flexible enough and reqs too mch config

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata why?

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's very expensive for a platform that you have very little control over. Plus build packs are a pain in the ass.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis use changetip

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata ok

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

the only reason you'd use it is the free plan

quartata

22:58

which is very unreliable

There's no such thing as a free lunch, I judge based on the paid lunches

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata better than notj\hkng

PhiNotPi

Heroku's free plan sucks because of the mandatory idling.

quartata

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Uh, Github IO + emscripten? C9? etc?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata but what if you need a a database?

quartata

> C9?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

22:59

C9 has one.

ninjuic'ed

quartata

Although if you need a database the project has definitely gone past the "free hosting pls" scale

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

...and django?

quartata

> C9?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

blog, good, web server, bad

what's c9

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

cloud9

Quill

23:01

Cloud9, online collaborative text editor

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

c9.io

quartata

Cloud9 IDE

Cloud9 IDE is an online integrated development environment, published as open source from version 3.0. It supports hundreds of programming languages, including PHP, Ruby, Perl, Python, JavaScript with Node.js, and Go. It enables developers to get started with coding immediately with pre-configured workspaces, collaborate with their peers with collaborative coding features, and web development features like live preview and browser compatibility testing. It is written almost entirely in JavaScript, and uses Node.js on the back-end. The editor component uses Ace. As of July 2014, it uses Dock...

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

okay - but it's not even for hosting

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes it is

it hosts stuff

maybe not it's primary thing, but it does

@Quill ...

quartata

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It isn't really a text editor.

It's a VM

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

23:02

ugh, cloud 8 is better

Downgoat

New Bloggoat: Special Symbols Seem Super Sensible!

quartata

They do fall asleep occasionally but you can just enter them to wake them up and it's much less often (compared to Heroku)

There are similar things too

Quill

@Downgoat I've got a purely content suggestion... change out of Wordpress

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata I noticed WebFaction today, it's super cheap and works with django

Downgoat

@Quill why?

the whole world uses it

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

23:03

$10/month, 100GB SSD storage, 1GB RAM, 1TB bandwidth

Quill

@Downgoat website would run faster, you wouidn't have to pay for it

I changed to GitHub pages for my blog and website and now I don't pay for them :3

Dennis

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Hm, idk. The fees page feels intentionally vague...

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Downgoat for (let i of counter) console.log(i);

quartata

Yeah, Jekyll is more than sufficient for what you're doing.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Downgoat +1 for crashing browser

Downgoat

23:05

@Quill I pay for a VPS. hosting my website/blog are only one of the few things I use it for

PhiNotPi

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space ... that's an error I don't often see.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Yo, @El'endiaStarman, how much do they charge you?

Quill

@Downgoat oh, you host it all off the one server? nice

quartata

@PhiNotPi I see that pretty much every day so I must be doing something wrong

Downgoat

@Quill idk if sarcasm or serious

quartata

23:07

Part of the problem is OpenGL. One wrong move and suddenly you're infinitely caching textures and your computer explodes

Quill

@Downgoat It's a cheaper solution... it only fails if you get traffic that it can't deal with, which it doesn't seem to... so no, not sarcasm

Downgoat

I've added 2GB of swap so it probably won't fail

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC $9.50/mo, plus $0.28/mo for international charge (which might be due to my bank).

quartata

That reminds, I need to pop into C9 and fix the leaderboard

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman what's your bank?

I hope it's not an underground swiss one

Quill

23:09

Probably not a good idea to discuss which bank you use in chat

Leaky Nun

4

A: Catalan Numbers

Sesos, 94 86 bytes 8 bytes by changing the factorial-er from version 1 to version 2. Hexdump: 0000000: 16f8de bd4bfb 3940bb 776cf0 7ded9c b9011a 74dd3b [email protected].}.....t.; 0000015: 065fe7 8ec1d8 e05f3f b7f303 bc6be7 065df7 8e191b ._....._?....k..].... 000002a: e0c1f7 b573d0 7dec1c cc0dfa f...

4 upvotes only..

Downgoat

^^^

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC No, it's an American bank.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

...or is it?

PhiNotPi

Is it... an above ground swiss one?

El'endia Starman

23:11

Maybe I'm lying and it's actually an underground British bank.

Staffed by goblins, no less.

quartata

I think this LRR sketch is somewhat relevant:

The Bitcoin Conspiracy

►

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Quill mine is gaot of murica in CA

feersum

@MartinEnder You could walk up inside the wall in the rightmost column, while checking that there is no wall to the left at each level.

Dennis

Random thought: Fastest code challenges in Sesos could be fun. With the command counting option, it would also be rather easy to score.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Doorknob seriously, this chat-ception thing is really cool.

PhiNotPi

23:21

catch(Exception e){} ahh, my favorite Java construct to make any problem go away

feersum

s/Exception/Throwable/

Leaky Nun

@Dennis then do it

PhiNotPi

@feersum thanks, TIL, my problem solving skills just increased

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yeah, it's pretty awesome

Leaky Nun

On the other hand, physicists like to say physics is to math as sex is to masturbation.

4

Sesos is just compressed Brainfuck. With decimal input/output.

Quill

23:26

Programmers must be too far right for that chart

dorukayhan

@Quill wouldn't programmers be a field that branches off the area between chemists and physicsts?

Quill

I don't know, really

Leaky Nun

sesos.tryitonline.net/…

sum of non-negative integers \o/

0000000: 167881 afe3dc 03                                  .x.....

Size   : 7 byte(s)

quartata

Hrm. I was originally planning to upload the STV demo to the web server as a base64 encoded string in the get request but now that I realized that the demos are 1MB+ that might be a bad idea....

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ i use same bank too +1

El'endia Starman

23:33

@Quill I remember seeing an edit that put philosophers far to the right of mathematicians, and being kinda ticked about it despite being somewhat of a philosopher myself. Sure, the questions might be "purer" and more fundamental, but the field as a whole is very..."messy" and vague. There are almost zero certain answers. Mathematics has every other field beat in that regard.

Quill

yeah, programming is just an extension of logical and binary math with some problem solving

quartata

Ugh, I don't remember how to do this correctly with just urllib

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata use requests

quartata

Can't.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata why not?

It's @R.Kap again!

quartata

23:46

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I mean, I could, but it would probably take way more time than it's worth. It's Python embedded in a C application

and I don't want to rebuild said C application

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@quartata oh

R. Kap

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ŨǹȜȜȫ

Can anyone decode that?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

lemme see

@R.Kap can I have it in binary? or a link to a binary converter?

@R.Kap it's not IMWox7nInMicyKs=, is it?

nope

R. Kap

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It has nothing to do with binary ;)

El'endia Starman

@R.Kap I have a very different view of mathematics, but I don't see how that's relevant.

quartata

23:50

I feel like such a tard. I finally realized that the i in m_iFoo means that the property is an integer and the b in m_bFoo is a boolean

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@R.Kap is it

d
nenodododd
dn

e

R. Kap

No

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

semi regular

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

0x168, 0x1f9, 0x21c, 0x21c, 0x22b

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman Mathematics condenses all the fuzziness down to a single question: "what axioms should we use?"

R. Kap

23:50

5

quartata

I just assumed that Valve pulled the naming convention out of their ass I guess

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

20C5A8C7B9C89CC89CC8AB?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan 360, 505, 540, 540, 555

Lynn

@quartata Welcome to szHungarian bNotation

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi ....yeah, that seems pretty accurate.

quartata

23:51

@Lynn Basically

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@El'endiaStarman I just clicked on your profile. You like rock-climbing to? Nice!

I just recently started to really get into rock-climbing.

quartata

I've never seen Hungarian Notation in production before so I didn't really realize it at first

I guess the m_vecOrigin should have tipped me off

R. Kap

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I divided all my apples into 5 groups.

El'endia Starman

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Oh yes. It's one of my favorite kinds of exercise, primarily because there's such a mental and problem-solving component to it.

quartata

It's not that bad of an idea, actually.

Especially for this where if you get the wrong type when retrieving a datamap property you get a lovely segfault

feersum

23:52

What's the m_

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@R.Kap huh?

El'endia Starman

@quartata I think there's a JoelOnSoftware blog post about it.

quartata

@feersum I'm not sure, actually. That's what I'm trying to figure out now

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

base 5?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, absolutely. It's really fun. I actually just did my first advanced route (V5 indoors) yesterday!

R. Kap

23:53

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC A hint to decode 'ŨǹȜȜȫ'.

quartata

Oh, member.

Duh.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

oh, ok

R. Kap

divided and 5

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

ndoone?

El'endia Starman

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Very nice! I don't think I've ever done anything beyond V2.

feersum

23:54

Now that's really stupid.

R. Kap

@feersum What is?

quartata

Yeah, I concur. I think that stuff came from Quake though so I don't blame Valve

feersum

There's no way to access a member by name without using syntax that is unique to members.

quartata

@feersum Actually, not in this case....

R. Kap

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Do you give up?

feersum

23:55

If it was Quake all the names would begin with Q_ instead of m_.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@R.Kap I'm onto something

R. Kap

Okay then. Let me know when you got it.

quartata

@feersum wiki.alliedmods.net/Entity_properties

welcome to my programming hell

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

...did they just use cyan on a light bg?

quartata

Luckily in SourcePython it's not as bad. You've got get_datamap_property_<type> and get_network_property_<type> and that's that

Wait, why is a short m_h?

and why m_fl for floats instead of m_f?

Wait I'm confused because I just saw another float with m_f in a datamap

feersum

23:57

Dunno, half word maybe?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@R.Kap give up

`there were a bunch of leading zeroes with utf16

binary conversion

of the first letter

LegionMammal978

Hey, just successfully installed a new 550GB SSD

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@El'endiaStarman Do you prefer top-roping or boldering?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

huh?

R. Kap

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC The decoded answer was "Hello".

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

23:59

how???

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