The webcast of the Blue Origin's New Shepard lauch just started. Lauch in about 30 minutes:

T- 25 minutes

T- 24:50

T- 24:40

Yeah, I could go on forever, if it weren't spam.

T- 20 minutes

T- 19 minutes

T- 15 minutes

T- 10 minutes

:D

T- 5 minutes

ohai @BaldBantha

Counting down to Blue Origin's New Shepard launch.

T - 3 minutes

An easy way to spin the CPU:

cat /dev/urandom|xxd

@LegionMammal978 I ran it for five seconds via timeout.

T -1 minute

The last output lines were:

00018030: 7c9a 399b dd59 5eae bb1e 444f 9386 3db3  |.9..Y^...DO..=.
00018040: 7df5 3175 5ecf 16b5 4763 f2ba 21dc 7793  }.1u^...Gc..!.w.
00018050: 5124 614e fb7d f133 cd2c 6146 c4c1 e35c  Q$aN.}.3.,aF...\
00018060: ba7c 0dd2 513e 5733 4da1 3dc9 9e59 5897  .|..Q>W3M.=..YX.
00018070: 4635 ed75 274b 7a82 691e e137 4841 6707  F5.u'Kz.i..7HAg.
Terminated

T-30 secs

T-10 seconds

LAUNCH

@LegionMammal978 10, 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 ... LIFTOFF

So, this is their fourth launch of the same rocket? Are they aiming to launch and land it as often as possible until something fails?

:30465005

23855ee0: bf07 b4cf 0ff2 261f 5085 9314 d6c4 1335  ......&.P......5
23855ef0: ff84 ad72 b847 3094 e315 b461 cca4 92eb  ...r.G0....a....
23855f00: 1a7a 6861 bba9 0b2c ae69 5440 9c22 1e0e  .zha...,.iT@."..
23855f10: bab7 41f9 22ff 50c7 811f 8d54 ee43 f55c  ..A.".P....T.C.\
23855f20: 41b5 cdbe 13c4 8dc3 a1b3 49fc 7da6 54d5  A.........I.}.T.
^C

@El'endiaStarman I don't think so. This is not software development.

@LegionMammal978 I'm not sure it was for 5 secs.

Oh wow, Skype for linux sucks.

I see ^C, that means that I'm not actually sure it wasn't run for 5 secs.

Run timeout 5 cat /dev/urandom | xxd and return me the last output lines.

So that I'll be actually sure it was for 5 secs.

One sec busy watching a rocket here

Apogee reached!

Also, holy moly, the chat is nasty. It's like YouTube comments...but worse...

Please, don't freeze it >_>

Aaand it froze =(

@mınxomaτ How does it?

A perfect landing

@flawr The stream or chat?

stream

That was an incredibly sedate landing.

Crew capsule has landed

It amuses me that they were able to keep an eye on the rocket with a ground-based camera throughout the whole flight.

Like, they may have gone to "space", but it sure ain't launch-a-satellite-into-orbit space. :P

Which doesn't seem to be their goal anyway. It seems like Blue Origins is focused on space tourism.

@El'endiaStarman They were just testing capsule parachute systems...

You will see, as soon as the quad-copter hype is over, the RC rockets will be availab.e

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Here:

0086a310: 5be8 a9a8 84cb 6865 6074 10c4 01b6 8256  [.....he`t.....V
0086a320: 2e0c eaf7 9825 1fb1 8ef1 348b 63fb dc01  .....%....4.c...
0086a330: 9fae 3cf5 857f 0514 e7cc c0fc e3bb 06cb  ..<.............
0086a340: eef8 ddb2 331a 9570 1abb e146 1acd 3343  ....3..p...F..3C
0086a350: 86b0 cece ce54 6f49 427a 61b1 bea3 1ce2  .....ToIBza.....
Terminated

(Have an i7, you see)

@LegionMammal978 Yeah, my point is that both SpaceX and Blue Origins have launched rockets that went to space and then landed safely on the ground. "Space" for SpaceX, however, is very different from "space" for Blue Origins.

So their achievements are not directly comparable.

SpaceX has more funding, perhaps?

SpaceX has more boats

@flawr Obligatory:

@LegionMammal978 SpaceX was funded mostly by Elon Musk's profit from Paypal (IIRC) and Blue Origin (no 's' on the end, whoops) was funded mostly by Jeff Bezos' profit from Amazon. They're probably comparable.

I think the real difference between SpaceX and Blue Origin is that Elon Musk is super focused on getting lots of people to Mars. Jeff Bezos, on the other hand, is more focused on sub-orbital and orbital flight.

@LegionMammal978 ~8823000 bytes processed :O

I only have ~98000.

Alright guys, announcing a benchmark of PPCG's computers.

To opt in, run timeout 5 cat /dev/urandom | xxd and return me the last output lines.

LegionMammal978 8823000
zyabin101         98000

The End

^^ don't have linux

@Fatalize Have git?

sh: xxd: command not found

On the git bash provided with git git version 2.7.2.windows.1, works just fine.

Ran it on my shared hosting server since I don't have Linux on my personal machine, and it got to 0x021f13f.

:O

@El'endiaStarman Omitting the last digit and setting it to 0, you get a score of ~2224000 bytes processed.

LegionMammal978  8823000
El'endia Starman 2224000
zyabin101          98000

@El'endiaStarman You have the top 25.2%.

@mınxomaτ I'm interested in how the benchmark works on Windows' Linux subsystem. :3

I broke my Windows laptop. I'm currently busy un-breaking it.

D:

Then how do you chat?

eOS on another PC

(I'm at work)

((yes, I work Sundays))

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 But on this eOS virtual machine, the last line is 003b840: 5487 6e3f ff0c 50c7 a680 dbfa 89a3 9281 T.n?..P.........Terminated

@mınxomaτ So basically, eOS is remade Linux. :P You get ~243000 bytes processed.

github.com/molarmanful/zal/blob/gh-pages/examples/jquery.zal

zal can now encode jQuery!!!

Yay!!!

linux is a kernel, not an operating system. eOS is ubuntu

LegionMammal978  8823000
El'endia Starman 2224000
minxomat          243000
zyabin101          98000

@mınxomaτ You have beat 2.7% of users.

You should probably pipe the output into tail, because now you're measuring the terminal output speed more than the actual rand speed.

Okay.

I got 0089910

@isaacg The last six lines of output? So I can verify.

Danke.

You get ~563000 bytes processed.

LegionMammal978  8823000
El'endia Starman 2224000
isaacg            563000
minxomat          243000
zyabin101          98000

@isaacg Top 93.6%!

I believe this is the first time I've ever seen this specific error:

>>> def foo(a=3,b=5):
	print(a,b)

>>> foo(7,a=2)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#13>", line 1, in <module>
    foo(7,a=2)
TypeError: foo() got multiple values for argument 'a'

@Quill Wish to try the benchmark?

wat

dat

Should've quoted this message:

-bash: timeout: command not found

o_o

@Quill Running some Mac OS?

@El'endiaStarman yeah, Sierra

@El'endiaStarman Heh, actually OS X is now called macOS

@Quill That's probably why.

@Quill Sierra was just released?

Dev Prev

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 still in developer beta

@mınxomaτ Well, shoot. How do you refer to Mac OSes in general then?

which means my computer is laggy like hell

@El'endiaStarman macOS is pretty self-explanatory I think

@El'endiaStarman Mac.

@El'endiaStarman all the old OSes are OS X (name), the new ones are called macOS (name)

Hmm. I think I have some faulty "knowledge". When was the first version of Mac OS X?

@El'endiaStarman 10.0

Hence the "X"

I mean, what year.

March 24, 2001

called "Cheetah"

@El'endiaStarman I'm redownloading the Portal 2 Authoring tools so I can make a sample map with the layout things we discussed

Ah-ha, okay. So if someone with a Mac doesn't have Mac OS X or macOS, that's on par with not having Windows XP, 7, 8, or 10? Or, in other words, very few such people exist anymore.

@quartata Woot. I have Portal 2, so I could try it whenever you finish.

@quartata You got ~843000 bytes processed.

@El'endiaStarman I don't have a Mac, but at least one laptop running OS X El Capitan ;-)

@El'endiaStarman I'll make a video of it too

LegionMammal978  8823000
El'endia Starman 2224000
quartata          843000
isaacg            563000
minxomat          243000
zyabin101          98000

quartata gets the top 90.4%.

Also, dual-booting Windows on Macs is probably easier than dual-booting anything on any other hardware. No driver-hell, since Mac has the same hardware.

And Bootcamp makes this really easy.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Where are you getting these percentages from?

((user's result / best result) * 100) - 100.

Why - 100? Also, that gives me about -90.45 for quartata, which doesn't make sense.

^

@El'endiaStarman Negate the result.

(((user's result / best result) * 100) - 100) * -1.

Or, rather, 100 - (user/best)*100.

^

Fun fact: I actually get worse results by running it in the Recovery Mode terminal.

⁽ᴳᴺᴼᴹᴱ ᵀᵉʳᵐᶦⁿᵃˡ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᵉ ʷᶦⁿ⁾

Also, I see what you mean now; it was your phrasing that was throwing me off. You should have said that quartata is in the top 90.4% of users thus far. Or, more clearly, he's in the 9.6th percentile, since his results are better than 9.6% of other users. There's another, bigger problem though: you have no idea what the true distribution of speeds is, since you only have 5 users. So really, quartata is at the 60th percentile since he got more than 3/5s of the other users.

monking

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 also note that after you rewrite your code (using the review as a guide), feel free to post it again for review.

The answer is basically "This is a social problem, not a software problem.", but now I'm interested in the algorithmic side... :P

lemme see

Hmm. It's a traveling salesman problem where the nodes are some corners of an n-dimensional hypercube, isn't it?

Still, I wonder if there is some optimization available due to the restricted format.

Gray code is the answer for when all of the corners of the hypercube have to be traversed.

It kinda sounds like a variant of vertex cover

Lemme think about it for a second

either way sounds like an np-hard social problem

Yeah, I think it's NP-hard.

most social problems are I've noticed

at least it feels like it

Social problems are in class I: Intractable.

especially for socially inept people like us

The infamous SMALLTALK problem is undecidable apparently

@El'endiaStarman :I

@quartata and the smalltalk language doesn't help.

@quartata To be honest, I thought you were serious and actually Googled for that.

<_<

hahahahaha

lol

This is a good one:

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I like the double reversal hinted at in the alt text.

@El'endiaStarman Oh that's a good one, I hadn't looked at the alt text

@El'endiaStarman ikr

And it took me a couple seconds to get Phishing License -> Fishing License...

@El'endiaStarman Along those lines:

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Alt text is a good one on this one too. Basically, "We wanna see who gets a rash from poison ivy."

yeah

@El'endiaStarman Never looked at it that way, that is an amazing thought=)

@flawr :)

@quartata I have the impression there are a lot of those

Randall seems to fit quite well in Personal Productivity.

What and irony that there is a SE for productivity.

In my experience these things are mutually exclusive.

^

probably ppcg challenges that make it to the hot questions list shouldn't appear on productivity.se

?

._.

All right, let's see how this turned out

Oops, need to nudge the doors a wee bit forward

@El'endiaStarman Should be done here in about 5 minutes

Sweet.

quick question. what is the formal name for iff? I have logical dependency. E.g., the formal name of p if q is "logical implication".

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ equivalence?

ah, thanks, that's right

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If and only if.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 no. if that were the case, then the formal name of "if" would be "if", not "logical implication"

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Equivalence

lol, didn't even see flawr's answer

@Fatalize ninjenga

http://i.imgur.com/0k23La9.gif

I wasn't planning to sleep tonight anyway.

@El'endiaStarman Ran into some technical difficulties with the prop_linked_portal_doors :P Gimme a little bit

I swear Portal 2 takes way too long to start

@MartinEnder I ended up just ending the lsb generator after 15 digits

@quartata Haha, indeed.

@Maltysen lsb generator?

Least Significant Bit?

yeah

its for a new esolang

will it be turing complete?

if i can finish it :P

the entire thing will be based on newton's method, so the working name right now is "Newton Stack"

new ton (of) stacks

but there's only one stack and one tape...

not when stacks

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what commands should a basic stack lang have? right now I have one for each of the 0-9, +-*/%^, incr, decr, while, for, if, else, end_one_of_the_last_four, chr, newline, space

"but there's... [a] tape" :30467801 here's a tip: the language will automatically become turing complete if it allows brainfuck/p" programs to manipulate its tape

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oh, yeah and pop, duplicate, rotate, rotate the other way

@dorukayhan The reply only notifies the person you reply to if the :nnnnnnnn is the first thing in the message.

@flawr Ugh

We should make a room for this

@LuisMendo Yeah, "ugh" sums that up pretty good

@Maltysen reverse, maybe

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ reverse the entire stack?

sounds good

@Maltysen PICK: copy second to top of stack.

@quartata Yeah. Make one and I'll move these recent messages there.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I think a more general one would be swap top 2

→ 13 messages moved to Non-Euclidean Level Design

I wonder if I should uninstall TF2. I haven't played it in a long time and it requires so much downloading for updates...

@El'endiaStarman ;-; y u do dis

@Upgoat I've had it for more than 6 years and have played for 9 hours thus far.

._.

can't you just skip Updated?

Good idea. I've disabled the auto-update.

(Might also please non-metallian ears.)

@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ

@Maltysen duplicate stack is also helpful.

e.g., 1 2 3 (dup stack) => 1 2 3 1 2 3

and if you're feeling cheeky, registers

nah, this is only temporary

what is temporary ? :P

i'm planning to eventually get rid of the stack and have everything work on the tape, but haven't worked out the details yet, so for now, just taking the easy way out and having a stack

oh, I see.

you could have a stack of tapes, or a tape of stacks :P

* and + work for and and or, right?

they should

and equals is -!

-! ? that's kinda weird

Alternatively, xnor.

@El'endiaStarman but i don't have xnor

Yeah, I figured that. I just liked the Name Drop.

^ warning: tv tropes link

TIL it's possible to (try to) edit a message before it gets to the SE chat server. :P

I should make a userscript that highlights all tv tropes link in bold red

Hahaha. :P

@Maltysen newt on stacks

I tried for 10 hours now to create a Windows 10 install USB from OS X and from ubuntu. Impossible. I'm now installing Windows XP to upgrade from there >.>

@mınxomaτ You do try strange stuff.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wat is tv tropes and why does it nneed warning

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ can i get rid of unary minus and replace with 0 swap -?

@Upgoat Click it and find out.

Pop-culture wiki needs warning?

@Upgoat Obligatory xkcd that would be a huge onebox so I'm not posting the link by itself.

damnit, still not one full page worth of space..

._.

halp, why does git rebase -i HEAD~10 not show the 10 most recent commits and rather the 228 least recent commits

@Maltysen yes.

what about gt?

gt is hard

I still haven't found a nice thing for it in Yup

can I do lt dup - ! +!

what does +! do?

+ is or

or actually, swap lt

just reverse the args

-! is equals right?

yeah

what is ! alone?

but "swp <" should work?

oh

logical negation

ohhh - is subtraction

I thought you defined the symbol pair -! to be equals :P

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ lel

yeah, swp lt works

i'm operator golfing so i can fit everything in 5 bits

you might find yup interesting

I was kinda thinking of printing the entire stack when the program ends

do you recommend having specific output commands instead?

Anyone know how I would merge an old commit in a branch? e.g.:

A-B-C-C'
 \   /  <- how to do this
  B-C-D-E

pls, i tri fo three day but im stuck

The ubuntu "software center" remains the worst piece of software ever written.

@mınxomaτ eh i think php is worse

PHP is not a software

@mınxomaτ I have the impression you're constantly setting up/installing new stuff.

In the most impossible combinations=)

@flawr :| but the interpreter is a piece of software

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ actually, i don't really need any control flow except the while loop, do I?

i can add some of my things back

I've changed the spec for

- I've changed it so it's a centralised game rather than over the internet

This helps to get rid of some of those internet based problems

Thoughts?

@Upgoat There is not just one, and why do you think the interpreter is so bad?

@flawr Nah, my Windows XP install DVD is scratched and therefore uninstallable. Now I'm trying to setup VBox in ubuntu...

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ github.com/Maltysen/newton-stack huge WIP (helloworld doesn't work)

@Quill wat

lol

wowe

pls halp how unfuck git

@Upgoat git fuck --un

@muddyfish Are you planning on implementing it yourself?

@Maltysen doesn't work, I need to do this:

how do i merge old commit pls halp pls i tri lots past 3 dai

@El'endiaStarman I've already implemented it

Oh, okay, cool.

It's on my github if I haven't already posted it

Here github.com/muddyfish/PPCG-Life

I just changed some if the stuff from the cake cutting contest

I'm not sure how well it will work with the threading - it seems like it will take too long to run