The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

00:00

oh boy that'll be sloooowww haha :P

Cyoce

I hate Pride and Prejudice

Phrancis

@quartata I suspect that the moment you try dial-up internet again, you'll scream and hide, and go back to your regular internet

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce .. and zombies

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nah; zombies are great. it's just the horrible book that I hate

Phrancis

I still remember getting excited about download speeds exceeding about 4-5 KB/sec

Cyoce

00:04

@Phrancis wait those exist? No wonder my internet is so slow

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce true. But

Phrancis

Now download speeds in excess of 1MB/sec are not uncommon...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

For a computer lang, there are three 2-char arrows: ->, =>, ~>. Any ideas for others that'd work?

Mars Ultor

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

e.g. typing arrows

Mars Ultor

00:10

BTW, why three?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm looking for a fourth to use because the former three are in use

Mars Ultor

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Use for what?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

An operator

Mars Ultor

Um

why not just a keyword?

operator foo -> (String:a, String:b) {/*stuff*/}

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I want an arrow

>:|

Mars Ultor

00:12

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ BTW, is this cheddar?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yah

Mars Ultor

I don't think the first three are needed

just use -> for functions/lambdas

~> for operators

Phrancis

Y U MUST USE ARROWZ

Mars Ultor

@Phrancis Because every language uses them?

Phrancis

And?

Mars Ultor

00:16

Why not?

Phrancis

No reason

Why not just use one of the arrow notations that already exist?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Downgoat uses ~> for a niladic lambda, -> is a lambda, and => is an expression lambda iirc

Phrancis

If you need originality, maybe _> would be OK

Or *>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

My only idea was +> because it looks uniform. _> could work, but it's kinda ugly

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ +>, |>, )>, ]>, }>, #>...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:18

@El'endiaStarman oo |> looks nie

Phrancis

I think it's already used in F#?

Mars Ultor

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah, that's pointless

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MarsUltor I don't do the decision making :(

@Downgoat Your use of arrows is a tad extravagant.

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat pls don't use three different arrows for lambdas

Maybe -o>?

Cyoce

@El'endiaStarman What about :>, ::>, @>, !>, %>?

Phrancis

00:20

You could also, I dunno, just use a normal keyword instead of cryptic symbols

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce he did put a ...

@Phrancis You obviously don't know I like J.

Mars Ultor

@Phrancis That's what I suggested

El'endia Starman

@Cyoce Oh yeah, forgot :>. The others are fairly asymmetric though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

-o> looks nice

Phrancis

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cyoce

00:21

What about double arrows? E.g. -->, ==>, ~~>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

you killed his arm D:

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You bastard!

Phrancis

Y U NO DISPLAY BACKSLASH

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce I didn't do it :(

@Phrancis escape it

Phrancis

Ah there

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:24

ESCAPE THE ~~PRISON~~ BACKSLASH

Phrancis

Maybe you can use \> arrow to give those regex people some nightmares

Now they'll have 2 3 problems

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>:D

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ now that's an asymmetrical arrow

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce yah >:D

Phrancis

lol

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:26

Most asymetric arrow I could find: `>. That's quite assymetric.

Mars Ultor

Diacritic stacking can make it more asymmetric

Phrancis

Language aesthetics

If coding was meant to look good maybe more people would do it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

once I had an idea (albeit a bad one) with someone else that an over-hanging diacratic meant "increment" and a under-hanging diacratic meant "decrement". In fact, I'm going to make that >:D

~~and invade CR with it~~

Phrancis

GTFO

A Nerd - I

Hi @NewMainPosts

Mars Ultor

00:31

@Phrancis In some languages, it is

Phrancis

I say Python is about as aesthetic as a language gets, you type pseudo-code and it works

Mars Ultor

That doesn't mean more people will do it

quartata

@Phrancis hehe

Mars Ultor

If coding was meant to be really easy maybe more people would do it

quartata

well if it means I don't have to spend money on a data plan I think it's worth the agony

Mars Ultor

00:33

Wait, it's agony?

quartata

@MarsUltor Separate conversation

I'm talking about dial up internet

Mars Ultor

TIL dialup is agony

quartata

Is it not?

My memories of dial up are fuzzy at best. I was just a wee lad :P

Downgoat

00:47

@Phrancis I wouldn't say that's a good thing though

Phrancis

Depends who you ask I guess

Maybe that's both the good and bad side of Python; it's pseudo-code that's actually real code

@MarsUltor @quartata dialup was complete agony

I would only accept dialup at gun point today

quartata

That's pretty much what I remember lol. Thankfully my parents adopted DSL early

Phrancis

This actually reminds me, getting a Sega Dreamcast on release day many years ago, and I remember playing Chu Chu Rocket over dialup

It worked, for some values of "works"

quartata

@Phrancis Is that the one where you're guiding the mice away from the cats

Phrancis

It annoyed my parents though at the time, because when I played, nobody could make phone calls

quartata

00:56

I never played but I remember a friend had it

@Phrancis one of the other joys of dial up :P

Phrancis

@quartata I think it was more about guiding the mice to a rocket to launch, but there may have been cats. Been a very long time

quartata

anything with cats must be good

Phrancis

Chu Chu Rocket (Dreamcast)

►

quartata

@Phrancis Wow, that's chaotic

lol "mouse mania"

Phrancis

I don't necessarily miss that. There were much better games on Dreamcast

This was a Japanese HYPERDIAPER game, I mostly played it because my best friend liked it

quartata

01:00

Jet Set Radio and Sonic Adventure were pretty much the two Dreamcast games I really enjoyed

Phrancis

I thought Sonic Adventure was great

Never really played Jet Set Radio, though I heard some people say it was good. Also, Shen Mue.

Chu Chu Rocket was special though, because it was one of the first console games ever to support playing online. At the time, Counter-Strike, TFC and Starcraft were what people played online

I wonder if some people still play those old games...

quartata

I doubt the servers for any Dreamcast games are still alive.

TFC and CS1.6 are actually still super active. (CS1.6 is one of the most played games on Steam still)

Phrancis

Wow

I'll bet de_dust is still the most played map on CS1.6 then... I'm a bit surprised people haven't moved on, but also recall most CS 1.6 players I knew were quite serious about it

Downgoat

SyntaxError: Unexpected token 'in bagging area'

quartata

01:16

@Phrancis dust2

but yes hehe

Phrancis

dust2 was my undoing

quartata

It still is even in CS:S and CS:GO

Phrancis

Original dust was better

Still remember all the times I got AWP across the underpass

Good times...

OMG Day of Defeat is still a thing... I loved that game

BRB going back in time to teenage years

quartata

Day of Defeat is still moderately active although there's more European servers than NA servers

Phrancis

I think Call of Duty ruined WW2 shooters quite a bit by making it feel like run&gun, and not like "find a good strategic spot and carefully guard it and play it to your advantage"

Hey @Phrancis, this chat is supposed to be about code golfing and challenges

Downgoat

01:28

strawpoll.me/10086575

Phrancis

Feel free to move my messages to another room, I would do the same if this were Code Reviiew

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Anyone see this?

Downgoat

@Phrancis you should become a mod and just eleven it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

... coulda sworn he already was a mod...

but no?

@Phrancis were you ever a mod?

Phrancis

No

I'm a RO on CR, that's about it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:30

hm

quartata

@Downgoat why isn't PHP on this list

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I can't keep you CR high-rep users straight.

I have thought Quill was a mod also.

and I used to think @quartata was.

Downgoat

@Phrancis oh nice, our mods would never let any of us become ROs, ~~we're to immature~~ we don't have enough avocad to bribe them.

Phrancis

lol PHP'; drop table Users;--

Downgoat

@quartata I hope ~~PHP~~ that's a joke

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:31

@VTCAKAVSMoACE ɪᴋʀ :ᴅ

@Downgoat ikr

Phrancis

My SQL injection is rusty

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

despite numerous pleas

quartata

@Phrancis That's not PHP's fault though.

Downgoat

@quartata it is

Phrancis

It is, if you're still using mysqli

quartata

01:33

that's why you don't use that

Phrancis

You should totally try Code Review then

Downgoat

@Phrancis ಠ_ಠ

quartata

2 votes for Node JS? Very suspicious

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

one was me

Phrancis

If I had a nickel for every new question that didn't use PDO, I'd be retired

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:34

php is hate, php is hell

Downgoat

^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Phrancis can i has nickel for every letter in every post on cr?

quartata

@Phrancis hahaha

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ PHP is like Perl with bonus things

Phrancis

@quartata For some values of "bonus"

Downgoat

@quartata Usually bonus things are good... this is not one of those cases

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:36

@quartata ... perl is also bad

quartata

@Downgoat Do you have an actual reason for this logic or.....

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

he does'nt need one

Downgoat

^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it's perl or php

both are bad

pick FOG or Cheddar or Jolf instead

quartata

OK, well then this is happening:

JS is bad

Downgoat

01:37

I have done PHP and it is the language of the devil

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

quartata

@Downgoat Well I don't need a reason. It's JS.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oooooooooohhh @Downgoat use jolf as package manager

@Downgoat same

@quartata true

you don't need reason

Downgoat

JS : PHP :: crap : shit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

but that doesn't mean it is true

@Downgoat .. so equal?

TIL JS is PHP in disguise.

Downgoat

no, shit is worse than crap in terms of connotation

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:38

oh

quartata

Connotation? So they're both just figures of speech for assembly?

Phrancis

Don't start a JS holy war again pls

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

START A FUZZY OCTO GUACAMOLE ONE

quartata

I should upload one of my PHP utility scripts and show you what well written PHP looks like

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ALL MUST BOW TO FOG

@quartata pls no

Downgoat

01:40

@quartata "well written PHP" is an oxymoron

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Phrancis

@quartata post it on Code Review

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Phrancis

Nicely written PHP would be a welcome change

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

actually good idea, to improve php skills

Phrancis

01:41

Most of it is $sht

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rofl

oh, only php would have $shit already defined. :P

Phrancis

LOL

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

s/LOL/\*stars\*/ pls

Mars Ultor

Well written anything must be OOP

Phrancis

Nah

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:42

:(

Phrancis

not-OOP is fine, if it's not crap

Mars Ultor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Why escape the asterisks?

Downgoat

^

sed is not regex

quartata

@MarsUltor Because you have to

Mars Ultor

But OOP > everything

Phrancis

01:43

No

OOP > some things

Mars Ultor

@quartata No, why would you?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@MarsUltor regex asterisks means repeat?

Downgoat

50 secs ago, by Downgoat

sed is not regex

Mars Ultor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ That's the replacement string, not the match string

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh

#oops

#ohwell

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01:44

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undergroundmonorail

codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/3184/14509 doesn't this need a win condition

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

undergroundmonorail

i'm hesitant to close vote because it's weird to me that it got to 33 points and no one else close voted

so i thought maybe i missed something

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

idk

undergroundmonorail

oh it's old as hell

that's why

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:49

VTC IT TO DEATH

quartata

@Phrancis lemme make sure it still works first lmao

Cyoce

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

...

why the hell did you hardlink

try the normal link:

I just spent 20 minutes deciding whether to start an email with 'Hi' or 'Hey', so I think it transferred correctly.

quartata

Wow just while writing up the question I already noticed something real easy I could do

Cyoce

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ BECAUSE THE MOBILE VERSION OF CHAT IS GARBAGE

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:54

sorry about that

solution: bring computer everywhere

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Cyoce

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ more specifically: because the mobile version of chat is garbage, the XKCD apps are garbage, my phone is too slow to run chrome, and I refuse to sink to the level of using safari.

Downgoat

Dang @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ you are finding dupes quick, are you the new Peter?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I. Am. PETER V2.0!!!

Why does everybody post owl faces so much?

Downgoat

?

undergroundmonorail

01:56

this is going to be good

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Dec 20 '15 at 22:01, by Peter Taylor

Why do people keep making owl faces at me?

undergroundmonorail

i want to know what you're seeing as owl faces

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Dec 20 '15 at 22:02, by Alex A.

@PeterTaylor It's the look of disapproval.

read: ಠ_ಠ

undergroundmonorail

haha

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ hahaha

Cyoce

01:57

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I am a robot. I am here to take american jobs

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Cyoce 10/10

@Downgoat dupes quick actually.

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ?

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