The Nineteenth Byte

mınxomaτ

16:00

@AlexA. Caution lawyer answer: It depends. Show me the original and the finished port, both with context, and I can tell you what my legal appraisal would be. To be on the safe side, just GPL it.

Sherlock9

I'm going to use 4 spaces. Seems simple

f n k i r
    | i < n     = f n k (i+1) (mod (r+k) (i+1))
    | otherwise = r+1
jr n k q = f n k q (mod (k-1) q)

^ That works, but reuses too many of the variables for my liking

Askirkela

Have a good evening/morning/whatever fits your timezone o/

Nathan Merrill

good midnight to you too

I'm really stuck as to whether I should go with JVM or LLVM.

if I choose LLVM, programs will be faster. If I choose JVM, I don't need to implement a stack, or an object model, but native datatypes are fixed.

TimmyD

Jelly Venison and Mustard sandwiches are better than Lentil, Lime, and Veal Meatloaf.

Nathan Merrill

actually, Lentil Lime Veal Meatloaf sandwich doesn't sound too bad

much better than trying to mix Jelly and Mustard

mbomb007

16:10

One of my friends likes PB & Mustard, and another likes PB & Miracle Whip. I prefer PB & Cheddar.

TimmyD

PB & Muenster

mbomb007

By "prefer", I mean that I won't try the others because they sound disgusting.

PB & Pepper Jack or Colby (Jack) is pretty good, too.

Nathan Merrill

who wants a sandwich with nothing but liquid substances?

TimmyD

Seriously, PB & Muenster (cheese) sandwiches are very tasty. Even better grilled with a little bit of bacon.

mbomb007

@NathanMerrill They're not liquids.

And cheese is solid.

PB is a paste, I'd argue.

Nathan Merrill

16:12

I'm talking about PB & Mustard

I wasn't sure of a category that included both of them

mbomb007

Condiment.

Nathan Merrill

nah, PB isn't a condiment

TimmyD

"Paste" would certainly apply better than "liquid"

Sure it is. PB goes on cheddar cheeseburgers. Nom.

mbomb007

PB is too a condiment.

Nathan Merrill

if its a condiment, then do a google image search for condiment, and find a single picture of PB

mbomb007

16:17

There a plenty of condiments that wouldn't show up.

All you're going to get is ketchup and mustard due to popularity.

I didn't even see horseradish or plenty of others, like Sorghum.

TimmyD

I would argue that spread is a subcategory of condiment.

Jam, jelly, marmite ...

mbomb007

Vegemite (ew)

TimmyD

As much as I find that disgusting, yes.

Sherlock9

jr3 n k q = f (n-q) (mod (k-1) q) where
    f 0 r = r+1
    f i r = f (i-1) (mod (r+k) (n-i+1))

Nathan Merrill

are we descriptivists or prescriptivists?

Sherlock9

16:21

Alright, now to try golfing this

Nathan Merrill

if we prescribe what a condiment, then yes, PB is a condiment

but if we simply describe how the word condiment is used, then PB is not a condiment

Sherlock9

@NathanMerrill I prefer being a descriptivist, but I'm not going to prescribe that role to you

Nathan Merrill

I'm in the descriptivist camp as well :)

mbomb007

Idk. I tend to describe how things are used, which is why a tomato is a vegetable.

TimmyD

But, I (and many others) do describe PB as a condiment, so that argument falls flat.

Nathan Merrill

16:24

@TimmyD only on the basis of categorization

you'd never see a table of condiments, and find PB there

mbomb007

That's only because it's controversial.

Nathan Merrill

yeah, there'd be riots for sure

mbomb007

Your argument so far is "check google images" for condiments. Not a good argument.

Nathan Merrill

@mbomb007 you could check a condiment vendor, and see if they sell PB packets

my argument is that if you look for lists of condiments, you're not going to find PB listed there.

Sure, if you search for "is PB a condiment", you're going to get pages of arguments

sure, I was just using packets as an example :)

I'm trying to understand it

well, I'm not sure what your classes are for

is the goal to do something like:

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill Many condiment vendors do sell PB packets. Very popular in places like pancake restaurants and the like.

Nathan Merrill

16:30

right, but how would you call it?

@TimmyD hmmm, I've never seen them, but if you're right, then I'd absolutely consider PB to be a condiment then

Easterly Irk

TIL: elvis.com

Nathan Merrill

ok, lets say you are parsing a piece of code, and you come across a line:

int a = 5;

I don't know your syntax, but you get the gist :)

what do you expect the variable creation to look like?

aka, the code that creates the Type class, and the Value class?

sure

ok, so you have a hashmap of <String, Type> that contains all of the classes?

TimmyD

Nathan Merrill

fair enough

I've been proven wrong :)

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill Well, I dunno about that. The word "condiment" is so loosely defined anyway.

Nathan Merrill

16:37

nearly every word is loosely defined

what really matters is how it's used in society

here's your problem

basically the value contains a series of bytes

a bunch of 0s and 1s

c++ does not have the ability to do dynamic casting

(like to store a type in a class, and cast it in that type)

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill Hah, that's a fair point. I think all I've done is shown that some people define PB as a condiment.

Nathan Merrill

bye

@TimmyD smuckers is a pretty big company, which likely means that other companies do.

so, unless we're going to go survey america, its basically the best proof we can get

TimmyD

Yeah. But I think it's also something very USA-ian. Peanut butter doesn't seem (from my limited knowledge) to be anywhere near as popular outside of the US.

Nathan Merrill

true, but wikipedia lists many condiments we don't use here

a condiment doesn't need to be globally used to be a condiment

@QPaysTaxes I think what you need to do is make Value abstract, and not actually store anything.

then everything can extend Value, and using generics, you can return the correct type

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill That's fair, though I wish more places here in the US had mayonnaise available as a condiment. Plain fries or burgers are somewhat boring, but I can't stand ketchup or mustard, so, y'know.

Nathan Merrill

16:46

they don't want riots of Miracle Whip fanatics

:)

trichoplax

16:58

What's all this condimonium?? Peanut butter can be used as a condiment if you wish, but it can also be eaten as a food in its own right.

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax and I know people who love Ketchup on its own :)

trichoplax

Ew

Sherlock9

We have a variety of sauces called sambal that is usually made with chili peppers (I say variety, because there are about as many variations on sambal as there are languages in Indonesia). It can mild to very spicy and I love sambal on its own

trichoplax

Someone may want to add peanut butter to this extensive list then...

epicTCK

all hand drawn

in gimp

might just make my own pixel-old-english font

Sherlock9

17:04

Page found on the list of condiments: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambal

trichoplax

Now I'm hungry

Sherlock9

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_sauce This says that you can use peanut butter as a substitute, but I have no idea what gado-gado with PB would taste like

> In Western countries, the readily and widely available peanut butter is often used as a substitute ingredient to make peanut sauce, however the texture of peanut butter is too smooth and soft. To achieve authenticity, some recipes might insist on making roasted ground peanuts from scratch, using traditional stone mortar and pestle for grinding to achieve desired texture, graininess and earthy flavour of peanut sauce.

So peanut sauce is a condiment, but not (on this list) PB itself

epicTCK

my picture won't get bigger...

I increased the size...

Sherlock9

@epicTCK What does that say, by the way? Can't seem to find the vowels

epicTCK

nope. Never increases the size

@Sherlock9 EpicTCK

Sherlock9

17:11

Ah! That's why I could find the vowels XD

P looks like D and K looks like R, so I kept reading "EPICTER"

epicTCK

Modified pixel-art edition of this: 1001fonts.com/canterbury-font.html Full disclosure: made by me in gimp in 1/2 hour, just my name not a complete font

I did it in all caps

quartata

OK, new avatar that doesn't look like someone took a hammer to my old one.

epicTCK

@Sherlock9 should I make the topo arm on K longer and raise the p or is it fine

Sherlock9

You should probably do both

Geobits

Sleepy pichu?

quartata

17:18

Hmm...

@Geobits spiky-eared pichu

Sherlock9

The C and E look a little similar, but they're distinguishable

quartata

I think the problem is the T and the C

They look a little too similar.

And they're right next to each other which doesn't help :P

I think if you raise the P and maybe make the tail of the T a little less curvy it'll be much better

Sherlock9

I wonder how OCR deals with all this font messiness? The characters around that picture don't look a lot like the characters in that picture

quartata

You mean between the two different sized ones?

epicTCK

P raised, k arm extended

gtg thanks for the input

If I end up making a pixel-old-english font, I will tell you all

Geobits

17:25

Hmm. If you raise the P a touch more it will flow better from the E/T/C curve at the bottom.

epicTCK

But the circled parts will mash together

I think I will just modify the curve rather than raising it

Geobits

That would work too :)

PhiNotPi

Anyone here know anything about tropical geometry?

Doorknob

> tropical geometry

... wait is that actually a thing?

quartata

Tropical geometry

Tropical geometry is a relatively new area in mathematics, which might loosely be described as a piece-wise linear or skeletonized version of algebraic geometry. Its leading ideas had appeared in different forms in the earlier works of George M. Bergman and of Robert Bieri and John Groves, but only since the late 1990s has an effort been made to consolidate the basic definitions of the theory. This has been motivated by the applications to enumerative algebraic geometry found by Grigory Mikhalkin. == Basic definitions == We will use the min convention, that tropical addition is classical minimum...

yes

It's... interesting, to say the least.

@epicTCK This is better

PhiNotPi

17:33

Anyways, I've been messing around with it and am currently trying to add "imaginary numbers" to it.

Such as, numbers X and Y so that X+Y=3 and min(X,Y)=2

Xanderhall

Phew

Mathematica is fun

flawr

17:55

VIDEO. Un moteur dans le vélo

►

quartata

A motor in the bicycle?

I'm not sure what this is about but I know it's not a plane crash

what a disappointment

flawr

no-plane-crash

quartata

Well there's some bicycle crashes at least

Optimizer

@flawr flawr-is-alex

flawr

@Optimizer no

Optimizer

18:04

yes

quartata

but what if optimizer is alex?

@flawr i'm not sure if i'm not sure if you're going to be a plane crash

trichoplax

#

quartata

@Adnan By the way for .E Python has a temporary file creator that would be better

El'endia Starman

Magic Square Party Trick - Numberphile

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An echo of sturdy squares here!

Adnan

@quartata Really?

That would better haha

TimmyD

18:16

@El'endiaStarman theparkersquare.com

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD HA! :P

> The Parker Square is a mascot for people who give it a go but ultimately fall short.

The T-shirt is real too!

quartata

@Adnan import tempfile

check it out there's a couple nice functions

Doorknob

@MartinBüttner very bold :P

Martin Büttner

I should have split an infinitive somewhere

(I'm kinda nervous about how this will play out actually :D)

Doorknob

> allowing people to also submit

:P

Martin Büttner

18:26

wait I did?

phew

quartata

What's this about?

Martin Büttner

either check main or wait for NMP :P

I like how that immediately caused a downvote on the meta post

Geobits

Wasn't me ;)

quartata

I'm waiting for NMP

Martin Büttner

phew at least the main post didn't start off to a negative score, I can stop looking at the tab for a bit now :D

Geobits

18:30

@quartata Spoiler Alert:

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Q: How can I score challenges with variable problem sizes?

There is fairly strong support on meta for challenge-writing questions to be on topic on main, provided these questions are specific and answerable. However, we don't have any such questions yet, so I figured I'd test the waters. This question is probably entering good subjective, bad subjecti...

challenge-writing

quartata

!

mınxomaτ

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The codegolf element.

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ What's the 10.6?

mınxomaτ

@mbomb007 Questions per day.

All the numbers are stats.

mbomb007

IMHO, there should be 11.1 somewhere for November 1st, our graduation date.

Lol

yeah

quartata

18:34

...months ago

mınxomaτ

1 month ago

mbomb007

1 months ago

:P

trichoplax

month(s) ago

quartata

Oh yeah one month. Time is difficult

Adnan

@quartata Ohh! That looks promising

mbomb007

18:35

We graduated on the November 1st of March.

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@QPaysTaxes The design, yes, but the "Beta" was removed.

@QPaysTaxes Congratulations, you're graduating!

trichoplax

A month isn't even a consistent measurement of time. We graduated 8 weeks ago

mbomb007

@trichoplax Neither is a week. You forgot about leap seconds. And daylight savings.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Your avatar has changed two times. What's going on? Are you okay? ;)

quartata

@Adnan NamedTemporaryFile() is probably the one you're looking for

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm sticking with this one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mınxomaτ What's 2032?

@quartata Ees cute :3

mınxomaτ

18:40

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 2,032 users with 200+ rep

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mınxomaτ Oh!

mınxomaτ

aka "avid users"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Avid user on this site means 1k+ rep :P

Doorknob

@trichoplax which does fall in the 6 to 8 week span :P

Adnan

@quartata Oh thanks

mbomb007

18:41

@QPaysTaxes Graduated 80,447 minutes ago.

@quartata Pika Pi!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Pika Phi not Pika Pi

mbomb007

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ "Pika Pi" is how Pikachu refers to Ash.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mbomb007 TIL. I thought it was just something the thing said.

mbomb007

I've been watching Pokemon season 1 for a few weeks.

quartata

I've watched every season of Pokemon except for anything past D&P because those ones suck

mbomb007

18:44

He always says the same thing when calling for Ash.

quartata

Season 1 was objectively the best one though

mbomb007

@quartata Cool. I think I'll have finished it in a day or two.

New Main Posts

I AM BOT, FEED ME BÜTTNER.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Late to the party.

@quartata The movies in that range weren't too bad tho

Easterly Irk

hai

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:47

HAI :D

Easterly Irk

maybe maybe play tf2 in 30 min

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

uh

:(

I get home in about an hour

or more

mbomb007

@NewMainPosts Why did @El'endiaStarman edit this?

El'endia Starman

@mbomb007 I figured I'd get in on the fun.

trichoplax has edited one of those in the past.

mbomb007

@El'endiaStarman I'd rather see the link to the actual question, please.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:49

Why?

:P

El'endia Starman

18 mins ago, by Geobits

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Q: How can I score challenges with variable problem sizes?

There is fairly strong support on meta for challenge-writing questions to be on topic on main, provided these questions are specific and answerable. However, we don't have any such questions yet, so I figured I'd test the waters. This question is probably entering good subjective, bad subjecti...

challenge-writing

mbomb007

^

Geobits

They only edit it afaik if it was already posted (like I did in this case).

El'endia Starman

Yeah, though the time span was unusually large in this case.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Then M.B. comes in.

El'endia Starman

18:50

I won't do that again if you have to scroll up a ways to see the post.

mbomb007

@QPaysTaxes Because one person starred it, and it's still recent.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Why is anything starred in this place?

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mbomb007

It was starred right after you posted it. Someone thought your ignorance was funny.

El'endia Starman

@QPaysTaxes From what I've seen, that's never a productive question. :P

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mbomb007

Warp star!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:51

Actually, it's probably just @EasterlyIrk and I

TimmyD

@QPaysTaxes What do you mean, "you people?"

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :(

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Are you?

Starring?

I assumed it was you :P

mbomb007

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes \o/ you'll do fine here

Martin Büttner

18:52

@EasterlyIrk did you even read the first sentence of the post...?

Easterly Irk

@MartinBüttner oops

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EasterlyIrk No, this type of question has always been encouraged (see the beginning of the post) — Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ 19 secs ago

TimmyD

@QPaysTaxes Sorry, was going for a Tropic Thunder joke.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

who ninja'd who

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ although I'm not sure where that "always" in your comment comes from either, the meta post is 2 weeks old :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:54

@MartinBüttner "always" for some value of always. Or 6 to 8 weeks :P

Martin Büttner

should I just clean up both comments? ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Go ahead :D

@_@

Martin Büttner

...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>_<

Martin Büttner

define "helpful"

TimmyD

18:56

> With you helping, we'll get done in twice the time.

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Martin Büttner

right, but how is the flag helpful if I have to wait for it to be cast to act on it...

that's how the most disturbing horror movies start

3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

mbomb007

@QPaysTaxes Better split up if you want to make it on time!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

whoa

my votes are gone

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