The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

23:01

I've noticed this many times recently, that from some bands I only really like one or two albums.

Alex A.

I guess I'm like that with OMG. I love Seminar II, Seminar III, Christmas Eve I and II + 6, and Christmas, but I only like one song off of No and I don't care much for Meditations in B. Still haven't listened much to The Ape of God.

flawr

I do quite like The Ape of God.

Alex A.

Have you listened to Baroness?

flawr

And I do quite like my bed. Which is where I'm gonna go now.

Alex A.

Haha okay. Good night!

flawr

23:07

Some tracks but not for a few days. I was qutie busy.

Nathan Merrill

so, in my upcoming language, I have an OrType(Type1, Type2), which basically says "This type is either Type1 or Type2"

flawr

How many times have I misspelled quite now, I wonder.

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill Oh cool! That's like Julia's Union{}

Nathan Merrill

say I have a variable of OrType(String, Integer)

flawr

You mean Julia's Unicorn?

Alex A.

23:08

um nope

haha

Nathan Merrill

and two functions on a class methodA(Integer), methodA(String)

does it seem like a good idea to allow class.methodA(orTyped)?

and it figures out which method to call at runtime?

Alex A.

Yeah, method dispatch.

Makes sense to me.

feersum

Doesn't really seem to go with the spirit of a strongly-typed language.

flawr

yesterday, by FryAmTheEggman

I loled: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/revisions/77747/14

yesterday, by FryAmTheEggman

If the next edit description isn't "And another one gone" I'll be very disappointed :P

cat

Apr 13 at 14:13, by Fricative Melon

@NathanMerrill You could use spaces around operators to decide operator precedence, like a + b * c does the multiplication first, where a + b * c does it second. That may not be particularly readable though.

@FricativeMelon Mythryl already does this

Nathan Merrill

23:11

@feersum Hmm, you may be right

cat

It's a cross between OCaml and Haskell

Alex A.

@cat That sounds like the worst thing ever

Nathan Merrill

I'm looking for alternative ways to deal with Exceptions

feersum

RunescapeLang

cat

@AlexA. it's a really ugly language imo, lemme find an example

@NathanMerrill which language? :P

Alex A.

23:12

His own

Nathan Merrill

my upcoming language called Elegence

feersum

Mine will be called Hubris.

Nathan Merrill

statically typed, with the goal to prevent as many bugs as possible

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill The irony of saying that it will prevent bugs in a sentence with a typo is incredible.

Nathan Merrill

lol

feersum

23:14

Is the spelling intentional?

cat

Is there a reason it's not Elegance?

feersum

nenja'd

Nathan Merrill

oh, you're right

changed

cat

heh

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill Indentation with spaces is enforced ==> my new favorite language

Will it be interpreted or compiled?

or JIT compiled?

Nathan Merrill

23:17

compiled

Alex A.

Nice

feersum

If "Exceptions" are actually return types and can't propagate, they aren't really exceptions, are they?

Alex A.

JVM or similar or to machine code?

Nathan Merrill

@feersum correct.

Downgoat

@AlexA. Cheddar also throws an error if it sees tabs for indentation :/

Alex A.

23:18

GOOD

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. I'm hoping machine code, but that may be too hard

El'endia Starman

Pytek just won't care.

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman BAD

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman D: will it allow evil mixes of tabs and spaces?

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Of course. They're both irrelevant.

Downgoat

23:19

that reminds me.. I need to update some errors for Cheddar...

Alex A.

Though I like the name Pytek, I think it's a little unfortunate in that it implies a relationship with Python when in fact no such relationship exists. (Other than the fact that it's implemented in Python, but the user needn't care about that.)

El'endia Starman

Yeah...

feersum

So does the 'tek' part, eh?

El'endia Starman

Well, perhaps breaking this assumption will be helpful in telling the user that their assumptions maybe wrong. :P

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat D: Errors?

Downgoat

23:22

@El'endiaStarman why not change the name to Jstek, so people will know it's a good language because the name sounds like it's based of JS...

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ May not be. You could look at LLVM, which may make that part easier.

Downgoat

How's this?

Alex A.

@feersum What do you mean?

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. thanks for the reference, I'll look into it

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. D: So ungolfy

feersum

23:23

It is intended to sound like Tex, or so I am told.

Downgoat

@MarsUltor I'm not planning on Cheddar to allow tabs either (without a flag)

Alex A.

@feersum Ah yeah. It bears some syntactic similarity to TeX in the liberal use of \

Downgoat

Pytek = Python + LaTeX?

Alex A.

@MarsUltor me.shits_given() == 0

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. D: Snake case

Downgoat

23:24

Alex A.

haha xD

@MarsUltor Snake case is best case

Downgoat

@AlexA. I thought screaming snake case was best case?

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. adds that to an as of yet nonexistent script

@Downgoat that's only for consts

Downgoat

Mar 19 at 21:03, by Alex A.

SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE_IS_BEST_CASE

@El'endiaStarman have you implemented classes in Pytek yet?

Mars Ultor

@Everyone @El' Mythryl looks nice, especially their operator declaration syntax

Downgoat

23:29

Mythryl has a nice logo

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Pfft no. :P

Downgoat

D:

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Not yet. User-defined functions don't work, but once they do, classes won't be far behind.

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat But does Cheddar have functions yet?

Downgoat

@MarsUltor functions will have an internal CheddarClass so CheddarClasses will need to come fisrt

because everything in Cheddar will be a CheddarClass

El'endia Starman

23:30

@Downgoat That's basically where the name came from. Like everything else about Pytek, though, it's drifted away from the origin.

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat Like JS?

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman have you designed how classes will work yet?

@MarsUltor I guess, yeah

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Yes.

Downgoat

though most stuff will have a internal class so not completely

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat Will operators and blocks have a class?

Downgoat

23:31

@El'endiaStarman can you share the class implementation design? I have no good idea on how to do it for Cheddar

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat I'm assuming you're left goat. You'll be able to remove the code style restrictions with a compiler flag, but they will be errors by default

Downgoat

@MarsUltor no

@NathanMerrill Left Goat?

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Hmm, I haven't yet thought about how to implement classes. :P

Downgoat

oh shit, Chatgoat become sentient and started posting on your google docs O_O

Nathan Merrill

somebody on my document somebody named left goat left a comment

lol

Downgoat

23:34

I colorized cheddar!

Nathan Merrill

@AlexA. have you used LLVM?

Mars Ultor

\o/

El'endia Starman

Strawpoll on Pytek name

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill I've looked at it but I haven't explored it much. It's on my "eventual to-do" list.

Nathan Merrill

it looks like I compile into their LLVM language

Alex A.

23:35

@El'endiaStarman lol @ the only options are those which are permutations of Pytek

Nathan Merrill

and they compile into ASM

Alex A.

Right

Nathan Merrill

am I correct in that assumption?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. :P

Nathan Merrill

cool

Alex A.

23:35

Yes I think so

Mars Ultor

@NathanMerrill *Transpile - they can compile or JIT that

Downgoat

@MarsUltor so LLVM : ASM :: Babel : JS?

Alex A.

No, no one but you uses Babel

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat Kinda, apart from the fact that LLVM can JIT itself

Downgoat

@AlexA. D:

Alex A.

23:37

:P

Nathan Merrill

I'm not familiar with how JIT works

I mean, I understand its like "compiling as you go" for interpreted languages

but why that's different than standard compiling, I'm not sure

Alex A.

Because it can run like a script rather than generating a standalone executable

Mars Ultor

@NathanMerrill It's compiled to a moderately low level language, but still has access to names and can change them and stuff

Alex A.

(Though some JIT compiled languages like Crystal still can generate executables)

Mars Ultor

And LLVM and .NET

Nathan Merrill

23:42

so does that mean that it's modifying the machine language as it goes?

or, that is has some intermediary language that its modifying as it goes?

feersum

JIT: Does it actually exist?

I'm not convinced.

Alex A.

Um yes...?

Downgoat

@feersum yes

feersum

@Downgoat I'm glad you agree that Javascript Is Terrible

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Downgoat

I thought you meant Just-in-Time compilation from the context of the current conversation

El'endia Starman

23:47

@Downgoat He's joshing with you.

Obligatory xkcd:

You'll be moved up from 49 of ~7 billion to 31 of ~7 billion.

Dennis

Alex A.

@Dennis AHHH SO CUTE

Dennis

Geomeowtry

quartata

@Dennis ermahgerd

math with kittens

+1 million

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Out of curiosity, any other names you think would be better?

LaPyTheXon?

Alex A.

23:51

@El'endiaStarman Not really, or at least not offhand. If at any point I do have a suggestion I'll let you know though.

@El'endiaStarman what

El'endia Starman

I put "LaTeX" and "Python" into the LHC.

Alex A.

"Son of Minkolang" :P

El'endia Starman

Assuming I ever make a sequel to Minkolang, that would (likely) be its name.

Alex A.

Haha really?

El'endia Starman

Nov 7 '15 at 6:52, by El'endia Starman

At some point in the future, I do want to develop Son of Minkolang, where I use the characters available in the "ANSI" encoding (so, most of 129-255) and I also add the ability to have full lists and strings on the stack.

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poi830

23:53

lol

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman Whoa, spoopy

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. I apparently also have a message from Nov 1, 15 that has that name.

Mars Ultor

@NathanMerrill Usually this - it's usually run in a VM

Alex A.

@MarsUltor I don't think usually

orlp

@feersum I have some progress

Mars Ultor

23:57

@AlexA. Well, Java/.NET probably account for most JIT languages

orlp

if the centre is not inside the polygon, I believe doing a binary search such that total_angle(line_segments, r) becomes close to math.pi/2 works

Mars Ultor

* inefficient

Downgoat

@MarsUltor who cares about speed when cheese

Alex A.

@MarsUltor [citation-needed] Most of the time when I read about a JIT compiled language it mentions native machine code.

orlp

if you subtract the area of any pieces that have a segment size larger than the radius

why it works I don't really know though

feersum

23:59

@orlp I don't think this is right

Mars Ultor

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Most things can be ported to asm.js via LLVM + Emscripten

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