The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

9:00 PM

@HelkaHomba What about Chrome's logo?

RikerW

lol

Helka Homba

RRR
GBY
GGY

easy enough

RikerW

White.

El'endia Starman

But the Gs aren't a rectangle.

Helka Homba

Oh, I dumb

RikerW

9:03 PM

RRRRR
GWWWY
GWBWY
GWWWY
GGGYY

El'endia Starman

Again, they're not rectangular.

But that does provide a pretty good counterexample.

Helka Homba

Yeah

El'endia Starman

or...

RikerW

Done.

rectified

El'endia Starman

If spaces were allowed...

RikerW

9:04 PM

Wait, do the pieces have to stay the same size?

El'endia Starman

nope

Helka Homba

No

RikerW

Okay then.

Success.

El'endia Starman

  B
WWWW
RRGG
 YY

Wait, the yellow doesn't touch the white.

RikerW

#oops

TimmyD

9:05 PM

RRRRRR
RRRRRR
GG BYY
 GGBYY
  GGYY

RikerW

BBB
WWW

Helka Homba

Also, the white in the chrome logo has a hole so it's not simply connected anyhow

TimmyD

Diagonal rectangular

El'endia Starman

  B
  W
RRWGG
 YYY

Aw shoot, R doesn't touch G.

Helka Homba

RG
BY

works for no-white logo if corners count

El'endia Starman

9:07 PM

yeah

Okay, back to the first countries example.

9 mins ago, by El'endia Starman

RRRRR
K M N
CCCCC

VoteToClose

We are great.

Martin Büttner

Now with new words.

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman Oh, R and C also border each other

El'endia Starman

Oh yeah, they do.

mbomb007

@Cyoce It's a meme.

Martin Büttner

9:10 PM

whoever upvoted that you can't read that fast...

TimmyD

I already upvoted. How do I upvote again?

Oh ... I could unupvote, and then upvote.

Helka Homba

@MartinBüttner It's trust ;) [and it wasn't me btw]

VoteToClose

I just finished reading. :P +1

TimmyD

Have you hit rep cap for today, yet? No reason ... >.>

Martin Büttner

btw, I'm still taking bets for the length of a Hexagony quine

VoteToClose

9:11 PM

∞

Martin Büttner

@TimmyD does it matter? :P

New Main Posts

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Q: Clarification for Jane Street Travel Agent Puzzle

I came across this puzzle. I thought I understood the puzzle's instructions but was confused by the example they give. I suspect the 8 and 5 are supposed to be interchanged on the example path. Can this be confirmed? Here is my understanding of what the die looks like:

TimmyD

@MartinBüttner Maybe? I haven't figured out how un-upvotes are counted when rep cap is reached.

Martin Büttner

oh right... yeah they're weird

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman This works if you allow corners and don't mind false-neighbors. But pretty sure impossible the strict way

KRM
KCN

Martin Büttner

9:14 PM

@lirtosiast any guess for how long a Hexagony quine is gonna be?

El'endia Starman

yeah

Martin Büttner

@HelkaHomba which ones should be neighbours?

Helka Homba

21 mins ago, by Helka Homba

Given a map of simply connected shapes in a plane (countries, say), is it always possible to reshape them into rectangles such that their neighbors stay exactly the same? I'm figuring no looking at a map of M=Mongolia, C=China, R=Russia, N=North Korea, K=Kazakhstan. K, M, and N all need to touch both C and R but not each other.

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner I bet the unwrapped hexagon will have sides of length 7.

And C and R touch as well.

Martin Büttner

very optimistic ;)

TimmyD

9:15 PM

@MartinBüttner 35

RikerW

23

Helka Homba

@MartinBüttner It has to be a hexagonal number, right?

Martin Büttner

no

El'endia Starman

@MartinBüttner Oh, I'm shooting for the final solution. You got the Prelude quine from 5157 to 133.

RikerW

I think he isn't counting the padding.

Martin Büttner

9:16 PM

@El'endiaStarman so your bet is between 92 and 127 inclusive

El'endia Starman

...on second thought, make that 9. :P

TimmyD

Given that "Hello World" is 32, and FizzBuzz is 112 but there's a lot of noops

RikerW

@MartinBüttner 23.

Martin Büttner

@El'endiaStarman so 170-217 inclusive

El'endia Starman

Yes, that sounds good.

VoteToClose

9:18 PM

ಠ_ಠ People stop down voting posts that are already closed. sigh

Aqua Tart

@El'endiaStarman Did you figure out what's going wrong with -c

Martin Büttner

@El'endiaStarman I'll write that down as 193.5 :P

Helka Homba

@MartinBüttner I guess 478, your user id sans duped digit

VoteToClose

@TimmyD nupes. :D

Martin Büttner

@HelkaHomba I think that method is about as valid as any other...

El'endia Starman

9:20 PM

@AquaTart I'll go take a look now.

Anonymous

@VoteToClose Downvotes are still relevant on closed posts. If it gets to -3, it can be deleted.

TimmyD

@VoteToClose Hah, missed a -

VoteToClose

@Mego grumbles about them needing to be delete-able without down voting

RikerW

lol

mbomb007

Is it just me, or does APL code look different now? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/70520/34718

RikerW

9:22 PM

@Mego you can't win.

Anonymous

@RikerW ?

RikerW

He will find something to grumble about.

(@VTC)

Anonymous

Oh well yeah

Anonymous

It's usually his purse dog though

Alex A.

@VoteToClose Hm, why?

TimmyD

9:23 PM

Hahaha ... "purse dog" ...

Alex A.

@mbomb007 Looks the same to me.

RikerW

^

VoteToClose

@AlexA. New users take down votes very personally (from what I've seen). If something is just off-topic, it should just be removed, not making the user possibly offended over misunderstanding the site.

Also, @TimmyD @Mego ಠ_ಠ

Helka Homba

@AlexA. ugh, amputated finger operator ⍝

VoteToClose

@HelkaHomba ew

RikerW

9:26 PM

^

Anonymous

@VoteToClose Votes are to be used at the wielder's discretion.

Anonymous

(just ask Geobits)

Morgan Thrapp

@Dennis Hey, Dennis. When you get a chance, could you pull Pylons for TIO? Thanks.

VoteToClose

@Mego Yes, but those votes came in after the question was closed. They are unhelpful at that point. Before the question is closed, they indicate helpful dissatisfaction with a question, after, they indicate useless malice.

TimmyD

@VoteToClose feature-request Userscript changes all instances of "Vitsy" with "Purse Dog" ;-)

VoteToClose

9:28 PM

But that's just my opinion.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Quack the Angry Duck No one is quite certain what the emoticon >:U is intended to represent, but many scholars believe it looks like an angry duck. Let's assume that's the case. Task Given a positive integer n, print or return >:U if n = 0 (mod 3), U U > : U U > U U > : U ...

3

@TimmyD nope.

@TimmyD ihaichu

:D

@NewSandboxedPosts rofl

Anonymous

9:30 PM

@VoteToClose To be fair, I cast a downvote after it was closed because, in the length of time it took me to navigate to the question from the review queue to downvote it (because I forgot to downvote before hitting close), it was already closed.

Geobits

Never attribute to malice what can be perfectly explained by voting based solely on the question, and not its meta-information.

Helka Homba

@NewSandboxedPosts 3 = 0 mod 3?

RikerW

^

VoteToClose

@Mego I don't understand down voting if you already put in a close vote. >.>

@HelkaHomba 0 = 3 mod 3. :P

mınxomaτ

What? Why are there two events for this.

Geobits

9:32 PM

Because downvotes and close votes mean separate things >_>

Anonymous

@VoteToClose I downvoted because it was low-quality. I closevoted because it was off-topic.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba The last case is if it's exactly 3.

RikerW

@VoteToClose shorter: s/?/ :P/, 8 bytes.

aditsu

I did it again :p

Geobits

@AlexA. Should be first case for short-circuit purposes.

Helka Homba

9:32 PM

@AlexA. unclear

Alex A.

@Geobits Okay, will do. Thanks.

@HelkaHomba You mean that isn't clear in the spec or the entire spec is unclear?

Helka Homba

@VoteToClose Alex mod Martin = ?

@AlexA. the exactly 3 bit

Geobits

Martex

RikerW

@HelkaHomba wrong is the residue.

Martin is not generally wrong, but alex is.

Helka Homba

(Mod mod Mod)

VoteToClose

9:34 PM

@AlexA. n = 0 mod 3 is only true for n = 0, n mod 3 = 0 is true for n = 0, 3, 6, 9...

Alex A.

@VoteToClose You've got your notation backwards.

n is congruent to 1, modulo 3, means n = 3 k + 1

RikerW

He has equals, not congruence signs.

TimmyD

Mathematical notation ≠ program notation

RikerW

@TimmyD s/=\=/!=/

that looks stupid (the regex)

VoteToClose

O.o Well then. I've been writing that wrong for about 3 years, then.

vtc-is-very-wrong

RikerW

9:37 PM

/=\=/!=\=/=\=/!=\=/=\=/!=\=/=\=/!=\=/=\=/!

TimmyD

@RikerW Again, mathematical notation ;-)

RikerW

I don't care ≠ False.

TimmyD

Fixed

El'endia Starman

@aditsu How does it work?

VoteToClose

@TimmyD This is correct program notation in AppleScript. >.>

aditsu

9:38 PM

@El'endiaStarman basically, it's hardcoded and compressed

VoteToClose

@RikerW So... you do care?

aditsu

12999 binary digits

El'endia Starman

Huh, so you wrote another program to figure that out?

TimmyD

@VoteToClose Le sigh.

aditsu

you mean how I got the digits? nah, I downloaded them :)

Martin Büttner

9:39 PM

lllllaaaame

standard loophole lame

VoteToClose

I might not be able to use AppleScript much longer. D:

aditsu

@MartinBüttner which loophole?

El'endia Starman

@aditsu That's....very against my intent when I wrote the challenge.

Martin Büttner

@aditsu sort of meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/1063/8478

whether it's a standard loophole or not, I'm pretty sure it's not in the spirit of the challenge

oh yeah, that's what El'endia just said

aditsu

ok, the challenge didn't really say I should calculate them, it just says "output"

Geobits

9:41 PM

@VoteToClose You say that like it's a bad thing :P

VoteToClose

@Geobits It is a bad thing. D: I might not be able to answer with ridiculous verbosity much longer!

Martin Büttner

@aditsu I'm pretty sure I can find a loophole on rule lawyering/taking things too literally as well...

VoteToClose

Wait, no, never mind, good thing that I don't want to happen. >.>

El'endia Starman

@aditsu Second challenge I ever wrote. I'd change it now if it didn't mean invalidating an answer.....well, I might change that now anyway.

TimmyD

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A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Adding input or rules which weren't explicitly mentioned in the challenge There was recently a case where an answerer claimed Nowhere does it say the program can't (also) ask the user what the [result] is. Adding additional input or new rules, because they haven't been explicitly forbidden...

VoteToClose

9:43 PM

@ricdesi About my comment on your answer: Answering an off-topic question only makes asking them seem "allowed" and bound to get an answer. By not answering them, they can be redirected to a more appropriate place for them to be asked.

El'endia Starman

It's not a kolmogorov-complexity challenge.

ricdesi

That's totally understandable, yeah.

aditsu

@TimmyD I think the rule Martin mentioned applies better

TimmyD

@aditsu For your original, sure. I was responding specifically to "Well the challenge didn't really say"

VoteToClose

Also, I really wish there was a way to message people in SE if there's no appropriate way to comment on a relevant answer. >.> I was like, "please let this person wander into chat so I can explain my logic" to some deity, not sure which.

Geobits

9:45 PM

@VoteToClose There's always another verbose language waiting :)

aditsu

@El'endiaStarman well, the output is not given, it was chosen by me

VoteToClose

@Geobits Like MineCraft! :D

I need to do more answers in MC. >.>

El'endia Starman

Mods can super-ping people into chat.

aditsu

anyway, I understand it's not what you really wanted, I might work on that too

Geobits

Not exactly what I had in mind, but sure!

VoteToClose

9:46 PM

@El'endiaStarman But non-mods can't, soo...

ricdesi

@VoteToClose That is downright EERIE

aditsu

it would be cool if it ends up being shorter :)

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Simply ask a mod...

ricdesi

Saw it in the sidebar earlier, figured I'd swing in at some point during the day

Dennis

@MorganThrapp Pulled.

VoteToClose

9:46 PM

@ricdesi lol it was only a matter of time before you entered the abyss.

ricdesi

@VoteToClose It was inevitable

TimmyD

> You can check out anytime you like ... but you can never leave ...

aditsu

@El'endiaStarman is it ok if I hardcode, say, 20 binary digits, and calculate the rest?

VoteToClose

@TimmyD Interestingly enough, I was just about to post this. Almost ninja'd.

El'endia Starman

@aditsu That's....really iffy. Why would that help anyway?

TimmyD

9:48 PM

5 hours ago, by TimmyD

Get outta my head

aditsu

alright, I'll try not to hardcode anything then

El'endia Starman

Thank you. :)

aditsu

(it might help with speed)

El'endia Starman

I don't much care about speed, so long as it's not something like "brute force all binary sequences of length 13000 and check them for this property".

VoteToClose

@Downgoat I really want to put something like "Community♦︎ wants protection" as a comment on your meta question, but I feel as though this is inappropriate and bound to be FlagAsSpam'd.

cough Anyways.

Morgan Thrapp

9:51 PM

@Dennis Thanks!

TimmyD

In 59 rooms, there are 112 users ... 33 of them are in here

Alex A.

:O

Anonymous

@VoteToClose #SixSeasonsAndASandbox

VoteToClose

kek

El'endia Starman

TIL about the Python Wall of ~~Shame~~ Superpowers.

VoteToClose

9:54 PM

@El'endiaStarman #blameMozilla

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner Modulo removed. Any other feedback on ducks?

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Haha, yeah, I saw those.

VoteToClose

The cluster of red within? Yeah. :P

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman TIL, people like their JSON

VoteToClose

TIL TIOFTW

TimmyD

9:57 PM

Tiny Islanders only Follow the Wine?

Alex A.

Wine? Where?

TimmyD

Tiny Island

Alex A.

shit brb going to tiny island

VoteToClose

@TimmyD ...sure

TimmyD

@AlexA. goo.gl/maps/pmbdmfJfwK52

Quill

9:58 PM

monring

Maltysen

@Quill tuesring

Aqua Tart

in The 2nd Monitor, 35 secs ago, by Aqua Tart

@Quill Monking.

Alex A.

@Quill wednesring

Maltysen

thought you would have learned from last time

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman How often does that update?

Quill

9:59 PM

@Maltysen that implies I made a mistake

Alex A.

@TimmyD Looks small and cold but at least they have wine.

mbomb007

@HelkaHomba ⍝ looks more like a minion finger puppet or something, to me.

TimmyD

> The wall updates almost once a day, see the timestamps in the html.

Alex A.

> Last updated 1776

RikerW

Did Martin Büttner use to be m.buettner?

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10:08 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Longhand subtraction in ASCII art code-golf I'm working on the specs for this, will post soon...

Quill

> answers the sandbox with no specs

2

mınxomaτ

>.>

VoteToClose

...why sandbox it if there's nothing for us to look at yet? :P — VoteToClose 58 secs ago

@mınxomaτ That looks bad.

Quill

Inspired, were we? — Quill 8 secs ago

Alex A.

@Quill >:U

Quill

10:14 PM

quack

@mbomb007 ಠ_ಠ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make a text editor in under 5,000 bytes of code! popularity-contest Summary Make the best text editor possible- in under 5,000 total bytes of code. Specs Your text editor must have at least the following minimum feature set: A way to open text files specified by the user A way to examine t...

ricdesi

10:18 PM

Holy hell

Roujo

I'm sure I can implement vi in 4k or so

Alex A.

@Roujo git clone https://github.com/neovim/neovim

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

10:20 PM

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

@Quill ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

@Quill >:U

RikerW

@ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

Quill

quack quack

Alex A.

Speaking of >:U, unless anyone has any last words, I'll go ahead and post >:U.

Maltysen

10:21 PM

@AlexA. >:U

Anonymous

@AlexA. quack

Alex A.

@Quill Dam Son, them's a lot of pings

El'endia Starman

I just got an email via Indeed asking if I'd be interested in a job opening from this company: Gen-9 Inc.. On the one hand, JOB! On the other hand, I'm not sure I like their website very much...

Maltysen

@El'endiaStarman what don't you like about it? They have intro animations! ;P

Alex A.

And obnoxious music that autoplays!

Quill

10:22 PM

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wait wtf

what did I miss

Alex A.

@Quill They were too ashamed of themselves to update the copyright.

Quill

@AlexA. You should put together a compilation website for all those funny names

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ dooks

Alex A.

@Quill What are all those funny names?

Quill

10:23 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ a whole lot of ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

dam son

Quill

5 secs ago, by Mego

dam son

those ones

Alex A.

phuc dat

Dam Son is the only one I know. I think Phuc Dat is fake.

Roujo

@El'endiaStarman It's blocked by a web filter over here, (un?)fortunately =P

Anonymous

@AlexA. Will the real Phuc Dat please stand up?

Alex A.

10:28 PM

@Mego I'm pretty sure New Main Posts is actually named Phuc Dat.

VoteToClose

@Dennis Pull Vitsy?

@Mego git gud

El'endia Starman

Wait, Alex's Sandbox post never got posted in here by the bot?

That's a pretty darn short turn-around time. :P

Roujo

1 hour ago, by New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Quack the Angry Duck No one is quite certain what the emoticon >:U is intended to represent, but many scholars believe it looks like an angry duck. Let's assume that's the case. Task Given a positive integer n, print or return >:U if n = 0 (mod 3), U U > : U U > U U > : U ...

Lynn

I quite like this dude’s name

3

El'endia Starman

Latter statement still stands, but I had to click "Load older messages" to see that message. :P

Lynn

10:32 PM

A true classic.

Quill

> Javanese

I always forget there's a place called Java

VoteToClose

^

mınxomaτ

All they drink is 0xCAFEBABE.

Lynn

Oh wow, he was hella arrested.

Singapore "Superhero" Batman Bin Suparman jailed for multiple offences - 11Nov2013

►

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Heyyy 0b11001010111111101011101010111110...

VoteToClose

10:35 PM

@mınxomaτ I learned about that a few days ago. :D Love it.

Alex A.

@Lynn Not just arrested. Hella arrested.

New Main Posts

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Q: Quack the Angry Duck

No one is quite certain what the emoticon >:U is intended to represent, but many scholars believe it looks like an angry duck. Let's assume that's the case. Task Given an integer n between 0 and 3 inclusive, print or return quack if n = 0, >:U if n = 1, U U > : U U > U U >...

code-golf ascii-art number kolmogorov-complexity

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ hahaha

Alex A.

@NewMainPosts Dam. +6 before the bot even shows up.

El'endia Starman

Many are the decisions that become unexpectedly immortalized... :P

Alex A.

10:35 PM

I guess people like ducks.

mınxomaτ

That's like the only thing that I know about Java.

Quill

@AlexA. quack quack

NinjaBearMonkey

If I were to ask about if Ans is valid input in TI-BASIC regarding my answer, should I create a meta post or add an answer to the one about default input and output, considering it's specific to one language (or maybe a few)?

Alex A.

@NinjaBearMonkey I think it depends. If you want feedback on whether it's valid, post as a question. If you want to propose it as valid, add an answer to the default I/O.

VoteToClose

@AlexA. You could say that they are, in fact, ducky.

Alex A.

10:39 PM

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

NinjaBearMonkey

Does anyone know of any other languages like that where the shortest method of input is the result of the last expression?

Dennis

@VoteToClose Pulled.

Alex A.

@NinjaBearMonkey Hm, maybe Python, since _ is the last value evaluated at the REPL. Idk if that extends to scripts.

Julia has ans, but I guess it's only defined in interactive mode.

Anonymous

@NinjaBearMonkey Like Alex mentioned, Python's REPL is the only one I know of off-hand

Quill

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by Telkitty

5

Alex A.

10:46 PM

@Mego Looks like that's REPL only as well.

python3 -c "5;print(_)"

NameError :(

El'endia Starman

TIL the treadmill used to be a torture device.

Alex A.

Used to be?

VoteToClose

@Dennis Aaaand pull again? ;P

(Sorry, I added something just after because I realized I needed it. :P)

Dennis

Done.

Alex A.

21 minutes, 23 views, +12/-0. People really like ducks. O_O

VoteToClose

10:48 PM

\o/ Thanks.

El'endia Starman

Tl;dw for the video: English prisons were really awful. The public protested, so they were reformed. One of the new things was making prisoners walk on what was essentially a long water wheel with paddles, in such a way that they had to keep stepping up or they would fall off. The resulting manpower was used to pump water and turn mills, which is where the name "treadmill" comes from. Great for everyone...except the prisoners.