The Nineteenth Byte

4:00 PM

I still dislike the upboat/downboat icons. I think a ++ and -- would fit with the theme better. But, I'm not an artist (that's why I'm an IT engineer).

Adnan

@TimmyD how about dictionary compression

PhiNotPi

My favorite part of the current userscript design is probably the all of the code in the background of the header.

Adnan

05ab1e.tryitonline.net/…

aditsu

i.stack.imgur.com/Umhto.png <- LOL

Geobits

4:02 PM

@PhiNotPi I do like that part. I'm not so sure about the green, but the code is nice.

PhiNotPi

The grey meta background is definitely on-point.

Helka Homba

@Geobits I really like the wreath. Somehow the logo needs to suggest victory+coding. A trophy with brackets could work I suppose, or a crown made of slashes or something

TimmyD

@Adnan I keep forgetting that's a thing. Nice.

quintopia

i like the green. it's unusual

trichoplax

@TimmyD Just knowing what you don't like should be enough - as long as you indicate that then the professional designers can make something new rather than using what's on meta...

quintopia

4:04 PM

@Adnan what algorithm are you using?

TimmyD

@trichoplax Well, sure, but meaning that I can envision something in my head, but it's difficult to express that out onto paper, so to speak.

trichoplax

How would people feel about green text on a black background like old monochrome monitors?

TimmyD

Since that's what my CMD and PowerShell windows are, +1

PhiNotPi

that sounds hard to look at

Geobits

@trichoplax Maybe toned down some. Green on black isn't the friendliest on the eyes if it's true to the old CRTs.

quintopia

4:05 PM

@trichoplax only if every single bit of text and every single background everywhere matched it. (medium to light grey on black would be even better)

trichoplax

@TimmyD I was talking more about downvoting/commenting on meta suggestions that you don't like, but if you have an idea of your own you can always just post it in words - the designers can turn it into imagery

RikerW

Helka Homba

@TimmyD I like the ++/-- idea, but some form of arrow needs to be in there somewhere. Also the arrows are almost always mirror images - jsfiddle.net/CalvinsHobbies/Lg7gs88q/embedded/result

trichoplax

@Geobits I guess tolerability beats nostalgia...

RikerW

Sorry trichoplax, the wheel of blame has spoken.

quintopia

4:07 PM

@RikerW wtf

Geobits

So all you have to do to avoid blame is log out of chat? Eh, nvm, not worth it. Go ahead and blame me.

RikerW

@quintopia ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Geobits You downvote too much to be blamed... Wait, that doesn't make sense. :P

Geobits

@RikerW You obviously haven't seen the old Wheel of Blame >_>

RikerW

Nope. :P

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba Does that load up the sprite sheet for every SE site?? My poor laptop :(

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Helka Homba

4:10 PM

Yes, sorry :P

trichoplax

@RikerW I have no idea whatsoever what is happening here... :)

@HelkaHomba It'll live :)

Geobits

Chrome is flipping out right now. Had to switch to mobile to say "thanks, Helka".

RikerW

oh god ctulul

Geobits

Seriously though, that's a nice resource.

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba It's actually pretty interesting - I'll just have to come back to it later.

Helka Homba

4:11 PM

Hey, it warns you:

> May load slowly and make browser unresponsive!

Geobits

It doesn't warn you before it starts, though :P

aditsu

I think upvote should be a "+" inside an up triangle, and downvote should be a "-" inside a down triangle

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba That kind of warning goes well with a button to initiate... ;)

RikerW

help my screen is full of regex html parsers and zalgo

save me

Geobits

Oh cool it's done loading now.

quintopia

4:13 PM

@RikerW close the tab. that answer is still the same as it ever was.

aditsu

still thinking of a logo..

quintopia

aditsello

Helka Homba

@aditsu But do any sites have up/downvotes that are not exact mirror images? idk if they'd ever really do that

aditsu

I don't know, and I don't think it should matter

trichoplax

I think Chemistry and Computer Science had the same designer

Geobits

4:15 PM

CompSci are not exact mirror images. The shape is mirrored, but coloring isn't.

TimmyD

I like Money's - that's clever.

trichoplax

I don't think symmetry is important here - I don't see downvoting as the opposite of upvoting.

Helka Homba

@Geobits You sure? Coloring for votes is always different

Geobits

Well, both have bright on top, dark below. So the upvote has one bright, two dark, while the down has two bright, one dark.

aditsu

can somebody draw arm-wrestling curly brackets? :p

Adnan

4:17 PM

@quintopia Dictionary compression

trichoplax

What represents our site besides sports references and brackets?

Geobits

Hopefully something.

Sp3000

@DonMuesli -1 for challenge not containing MariaTidalTug

RikerW

^

Geobits

Seeing the lengths to which people will go to remove the necessity of brackets from languages, I think it's amusing that our proposed logo has brackets.

Luis Mendo

4:19 PM

@Sp3000 Oooh that's a good one

Sp3000

That's not a "good one", it's the one that was actually used :P

Helka Homba

@trichoplax Winning challenges is a big part (and that's not strictly a sports reference, it's just that sports have winners too)

trichoplax

Yes making it clear there's competition sounds good. I'm not completely against a cup or a wreath I'd just prefer anything else

Helka Homba

@Geobits Right you are, though that's fairly subtle

aditsu

another logo idea: a few characters being crushed in a vise

TimmyD

4:20 PM

Maybe a vise (picture a C)

whoa

Get outta my head

Geobits

I don't mind the competition angle, I just don't like wreaths. Like I said, they remind me of government seals.

aditsu

yeah I'm a ninja :p

RikerW

Luis Mendo

@Sp3000 Nah. Then it's not funny :-P

Eridan

Helka Homba

4:21 PM

Jan 4 at 1:28, by Calvin's Hobbies

How about our icon is the xkcd stick guy trying to cram text characters into an overflowing duffel bag or something?

:P

RikerW

^^

Helka Homba

It shows "Calvin" :o

TimmyD

> Make your code slightly less long

Geobits

> Then do it again

feersum

Eridan

4:22 PM

My PowerPoint graphic design skill is, as the youth of today say, "on point" :P

trichoplax

yesterday, by Helka Homba

@Geobits Nah, I don't like overwriting history

Geobits

@HelkaHomba Who's Calvin? Is he a well known user here or something?

aditsu

@Eridan that's a long way to describe making something short

Helka Homba

@Eridan Looks strange with the & there (see ux.stackexchange.com/a/35725/51544) Admittedly, our name is not well suited for this

Geobits

@aditsu Decrease the length parameter of your functions and programs.

aditsu

4:23 PM

@Eridan nah, they say "on fleek"

Geobits

@aditsu Most of them stopped using it the first time someone over 30 did ;)

feersum

You know, ELU's logo is a single character (&).

Helka Homba

@aditsu It's a pun on CR's motto of "Making code slightly less wrong"

feersum

We should outgolf them by making our logo the empty string.

TimmyD

@feersum Yeah, I've not really understood why & applies to them

Geobits

4:25 PM

@feersum This. A single character, if it's the right one, would be very nice and clean.

Eridan

PPaCG

Helka Homba

@Geobits hmm

trichoplax

> Short code/Fast code/Competing bot code - what's your poison?

Geobits

And no, caret is not the right one :P

aditsu

@Geobits ~

TimmyD

4:26 PM

"Programming Puzzles & Code Golf -- #! without the #"

quintopia

@Adnan just replacing each word with its index?

Geobits

@aditsu Reminds me of home :)

trichoplax

% fits 3 shapes into one character

feersum

How about epsilon. It commonly denotes something very small or the empty string.

PhiNotPi

We could use the bell character as our logo.

Geobits

4:27 PM

Pretty please? ^

quintopia

@TimmyD "Programming Puzzles & Code Golf -- Want a caret?"

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Q: Manage Trash So

It's become somewhat of a tradition in PPCG that some users temporarily change their names by an anagram (a new name formed by reordering the letters of the old). Sometimes it gets difficult to find out who is who. I could use a program or function to tell if two phrases are anagrams of each oth...

Adnan

@quintopia Yes, basically

Eridan

We could use repetitions of the string "The logo goes hereeeee" as our logo, as I've discussed above

Adnan

But you have different kinds of strings for that, e.g. uppercase, title case

PhiNotPi

4:28 PM

I'd also like to see an ad without a green background.

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Helka Homba

@Geobits The problem is & is about the only normal character that specifically stands for a whole English word. Any character could stand for a programming command.

PhiNotPi

The most recent one above is a really ugly combination.

Geobits

@HelkaHomba Yea, I'm pondering it. I can't think of a single one that really captures it. I do think that the cleaner/simpler it is the more I'll like it, though. The wreath/brackets combo is a bit busy imo.

aditsu

bah, just use a carrot as the logo

@Geobits ⌨

trichoplax

Interesting. Theoretical Computer Science has a different shape icon for different sizes

Sp3000

4:34 PM

@Lynn Had the same byte count, but in function form. You could probably [2::5] it though

Helka Homba

@trichoplax Same with bycicles kinda

trichoplax

Is that like Bicycles?

Oh yeah - I like it

Helka Homba

Or I guess I'm looking at the favicon which is different

trichoplax

Yes it has different detail in the larger version - it's nice to know we don't need something that works on every scale

aditsu

@trichoplax I don't understand that logo

Geobits

4:37 PM

It's a badge-thing‌, like on the front bar of a bike.

Helka Homba

@aditsu Me neither actually

trichoplax

@aditsu Nor me. Until Geobits explained just now...

aditsu

o_O

Maltysen

what do people think about using <> instead of {}?

that might diffrentiate it from CR a bit

Helka Homba

Say, how many SE sites were conceived, betad, and graduated from the time PPCG started beta to when our graduation was announced?

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Aqua Tart

4:39 PM

@NewMainPosts damn I missed an easy challenge to practice my FGITW skills with :/

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aditsu

@Maltysen that suggests tags, like html/xml

Maltysen

true

[]?

Aqua Tart

@HelkaHomba A lot.

9cHeruinr96a

@HelkaHomba I don't think XKCD would like that.

They might

Geobits

TeX uses brackets, too, so another point against that. Their entire favicon is just brackets.

Helka Homba

4:41 PM

@9cHeruinr96a If Randall Munroe is a PPCG user, let him speak up now or forever hold his peace.

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Geobits

More like "let him hold his peace now, until he consults his lawyers" :D

trichoplax

Do we need the icon to say "short code, and sometimes fast code, puzzles and KotHs", or can it just be something that distinguishes us?

How about a number?

Maltysen

44

Geobits

>_<

trichoplax

I was thinking a golfier number - I wouldn't want 2 digits unless it was 19

Geobits

4:43 PM

How about we just make the logo match the downvote icon? That sends a message in the same way as "take it somewhere else".

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Maltysen

?: conveys coding, maybe?

Mitch Schwartz

@Lynn cool idea :) (and i don't know the internal workings of python sets)

Aqua Tart

@Geobits hahahaha

trichoplax

I like the idea of an ad that is at least somewhat welcoming...

3

Helka Homba

So many 2 stars.

3

Geobits

4:44 PM

@trichoplax /joke

9cHeruinr96a

Perhaps some piet code

Geobits

That's not a terrible idea

Maltysen

it would probably be pretty unrecognizable though

trichoplax

@Geobits It was more aimed at the earlier ad that you reminded me of, which I'm hoping was also a joke...

epicTCK

i have created a new programming language: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/64198/99-bottles-of-beer/…

Or I am creating *

Geobits

4:45 PM

I'm conflicted reading this:

> It aims to make Javascript shorter to write, while still being "Javascript". I'm pretty mad that I didn't beat any of the Javascript answers...

aditsu

Maltysen

how about +[.] golfy, and runs forever

trichoplax

@Geobits Conflicted how? That's hilarious :)

9cHeruinr96a

@aditsu I'm on school network; imgur is blocked

TimmyD

@aditsu Pretty, but meaningless to anyone who doesn't know Piet.

aditsu

4:46 PM

@9cHeruinr96a it's a piet hello world, square shape, with a "+"-looking thing in the middle

Helka Homba

@Geobits Someone unstar or star this!

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Geobits

I tried!

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Q: Using the “liar paradox” in programming

Is there any way i can use the liar paradox in programming? Its something like this : The following statement is true. The preceding statement is false. Can anyone give a sample code in c++ or python? or how to use it in Boolean? PS: I have a doubt. Will this create a loop or a crash...

code-challenge

Helka Homba

Oh right, I could..

Sp3000

Not a big fan of Piet as an idea - 1) because it's not used that often, and 2) when it is it's the epitome of "most popular language = auto-upvotes" :P

Maltysen

4:47 PM

[on hold]

3

^ logo

9cHeruinr96a

Oh snap

@HelkaHomba thine wish is my command

Or something

Geobits

We need to knock off that last 3. And that one.

TimmyD

@Maltysen How about β

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aditsu

@9cHeruinr96a hold on, is your name Hurricane996 or 9cHeruinr96a?

Maltysen

@TimmyD hahaha

Geobits

4:49 PM

Hurricanes jumble stuff up sometimes.

3

9cHeruinr96a

@aditsu Anagrams are trendy right now

TimmyD

{β}

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aditsu

I'm just confused about how I can see both at the same time

Geobits

Star discipline in here is terrible right now. How hard can it be to fill it with 2s?

Helka Homba

it's twostars all the way down

PhiNotPi

4:50 PM

"Are you ready to ascend? Programming Puzzles & Code Golf"

Helka Homba

darn, it was for a sec

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi "If you get 7k rep in the next 6-8 weeks, you can still get swag - Programming Puzzles & Code Golf"

TimmyD

Hahaha

Geobits

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^^ for posterity

Helka Homba

@Maltysen Are you sure they don't just count strictly beta time?

PhiNotPi

4:53 PM

Swag is those on the first 2 pages of all-time users either at graduation or design, right?

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba i'm not sure. I think I heard somewhere that they check at design time, but i'm probably wrong

Geobits

They probably have both lists and decide based on what users they like more that have jumped into or out of the first two pages.

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits its cheating if you star them yourself :P

Geobits

Nah, it's only cheating if you get cau... crap.

9cHeruinr96a

QWERTY or DVORAK?

random tangent^

Geobits

4:54 PM

QWERTY, like any sane person.

Helka Homba

@PhiNotPi idk, but if design lag takes like a year it could be quite unfair to the true people who helped in the beta

mınxomaτ

I'm used to QWERT(Z/Y)

I've never seen DVORAK in person.

aditsu

@9cHeruinr96a "<>PYF

Helka Homba

(maybe a year is crazy but I heard some site had to wait that long)

PhiNotPi

1 year isn't crazy

Geobits

4:55 PM

They had a crazy backlog last year especially IIRC. I don't think CR's took that long, so maybe it's cleared up some.

TimmyD

while(β){year++}

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Sp3000

@HelkaHomba Did I star/unstar enough times?

Nathan Merrill

I wish Dvorak statistics included all of the people who tried Dvorak and quit

feersum

I use Dvorak.

Helka Homba

@Sp3000 Yes. The starboard has been wriggling like a caterpillar

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feersum

4:57 PM

The main benefit is it confuses other people when they try to use my computer.

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Sp3000

@HelkaHomba Thanks. Wanted to know whether updates happened instantly :P

Geobits

Hey! I just got an email promising to "maximize my ROI". I should totally follow up on that, right?

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba I'm on a chromebook cuz school, and I can only see half the starboard D:

mınxomaτ

@feersum Well, everything's better than AZERTY.

Doorknob

@Maltysen GET BACK TO WORK! —someone else also at school

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trichoplax

4:59 PM

@Geobits You can't get better than maximized!

yes?

epicTCK

You can get full screened.. better than maxamizing

Maltysen

@Doorknob I did already five minutes of work out a 55 minute period - good enough

trichoplax

@epicTCK lol - "full screen your ROI!!"

Geobits

I would have definitely replied if it said that.

Sp3000

@feersum Bonus points if you're one of those people who type in DVORAK but the keyboard labels are QWERTY

feersum

5:01 PM

@Sp3000 Of course, what else would you do?

aditsu

COURONNE your ROI!

Maltysen

@Sp3000 oooh challenge idea, map qwerty to dvorak

Sp3000

@Maltysen Please no. D:

Doorknob

tr

Maltysen

get a string input and output as if typed thinking it was qwerty on a keyboard that was actually dvorak

trichoplax

5:02 PM

@Doorknob yes?

Geobits

Don't we already have a simple sub-cipher?

Sp3000

(mainly because the byte count is mostly just the QWERTY/DVORAK translation string)

Doorknob

@trichoplax silly turtle, pings only work with 3+ letters :P

trichoplax

:)

epicTCK

how about no regex

Sp3000

5:03 PM

Surely we have some sub-cipher challenge, will go check

Doorknob

@epicTCK tr isn't regex

PhiNotPi

I'm currently living at a university. Some choose to look at it as "never leaving school." I look at it as "never going to school."

Sp3000

Regex doesn't change anything :/

epicTCK

tr/REGEX!!!/

at least in perl

Doorknob

llama@llama:~$ tr '?*$^' 'abcd'
??**$$^^
aabbccdd

TimmyD

5:04 PM

I'm still amused at the llama@llama

aditsu

why are you using optimizer's computer?

Maltysen

coughsockcough

feersum

> why are you using optimizer ~~'s computer~~

FTFY

Geobits

Does anyone else also remove the user label from the prompt, or is it just me?

Doorknob

too much effort

epicTCK

5:06 PM

@Doorknob refrence to google.com/… ?

Doorknob

no

I thought they had camels also

Sp3000

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/22704/… <-- this challenge post o_O

> No silly Esolangs that are theoretical or just say something like "This program will take QWERTY input and recode it in DVORAK. This is the program." or crap like that... Take this challenge seriously... So Brainfuck coders, I welcome you.

aditsu

@Geobits wat?

Geobits

@Doorknob It's a single line in your bash config >_>

Doorknob

@Geobits Oh, I thought you meant like when copy/pasting things into places

Geobits

5:07 PM

I like PS1="\n\[\e[32m\]\w\n\[\e[0m\]> " for cleanliness.

aditsu

ah, that

Doorknob

ummm... apparently mine is

PS1="%K{blue}%F{white}%n@%m%f%k:%B%F{cyan}%(4~|...|)%3~%F{white}%(!.#.$) %b%f%k"

aditsu

I have PS1="%B%F{green}%n@%m%k %B%F{blue}%~ %# %b%f%k"

Doorknob

@Doorknob I think that's close to the default zsh prompt though

epicTCK

usermod --login llama root && hostname llama

aditsu

5:09 PM

mine is pretty close, yeah

Geobits

Lynn

Oww, that dark green on dark magenta

Geobits

No, it's black(ish), just half-transparent.

epicTCK

where do I get a chatbot?

Geobits

You can make one or take one.

Optimizer

5:11 PM

but you will eventually break one

Geobits

Just don't forsake one.

Optimizer

and of course, don't hate one

Geobits

t!=k, so mistake? One.

Sp3000

Just because it's assonance doesn't mean you need to berate one

quintopia

what happened to the automagic scoreboard for code golf? i don't have it disabled :(

Mitch Schwartz

5:18 PM

@Lynn here's an alternate 161

def a(v,o,c=0,A=0,d='.',O={0}):
 while'.'==d:w=v.find('\n');c+=[1,~w,-1,w+1][A%4];d=v[c];o>d=='.'<a(v+' '*w,o[1:],c,ord(o[0])-~A);d>v>o<O.add(d)
 return`O`[9::5]

Geobits

@Sp3000 It seems I tested the limits and fate won :(

Sp3000

Maybe we should drop this charade and get some cake, one?

feersum

One does not just append one to every sentence one ???

Geobits

Do you have one laying around? If not I'll bake one.

Sp3000

(I give up)

TimmyD

5:22 PM

Unary, 12 bytes, 111111111111

Geobits

@TimmyD That.... looks like a fake one >_>

Sp3000

The only challenge in which that'd be a valid code-golf answer would be "Print a char, any char"

TimmyD

2-1/2 minutes to close. Peeps are slacking. ;-)

mınxomaτ

5:37 PM

> Fill out our 11-minute survey to give us your feedback.

Oddly specific number of minutes.

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Q: Output an English sonnet

Very simple challenge. Write a function or a program which, given no input, will print the text of a sonnet written in the English language, which is famous enough to be referenced by a Wikipedia page (as of the time of posting this question). Punctuation and capitalization are not considered; ...

code-golf string

Aqua Tart

I just noticed I actually have 416/400 score for code golf silver.

I just need 11 answers.

Dennis

That's not acceptable. You'll have to give 16 back.

Aqua Tart

:(

Dennis

I have 1293 / 1000 in string, but I need 35 more answers. >.<

Geobits

5:42 PM

I'm at 492/400, 68/80 for code-golf :(

Sp3000

I have enough score but not enough answers for... 11 badges!?

Dennis

brb applying string to 35 questions

Anonymous

410/1000, 109/200 for gold

Aqua Tart

I have the opposite problem for kolmogorov-complexity. 22 out of 20 answers, 27/100 score :/

Anonymous

@Sp3000 Same, but 4 badges

Dennis

5:43 PM

Wait, tags take formatting?

Sp3000

Popcon bronze is great: 441/100 score, 15/20 answers

Dennis

ಠ___ಠ

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Geobits

Oooh I just need four popcon answers for bronze >_>

I'd have KotH if the badge existed.

Aqua Tart

KOTH doesn't have enough challenges for a tag badge?

Doorknob

oh

Aqua Tart

5:46 PM

That seems wrong.

Geobits

It needs 100 IIRC.

TimmyD

Challenge idea that I'm floating past chat before writing up and posting to the sandbox -- graphically represent the Euclidean algorithm for greatest common divisor. Basically a non-animated version of this --

9cHeruinr96a

@aditsu ???

Mitch Schwartz

@Lynn 158 :)

def a(v,o,c=0,A=0,d='.',O={0}):
 while'.'==d:w=v.find('\n');c+=[1,~w,-1,w+1][A%4];d=v[c];o>v<a(v+' '*w,o[1:],c,ord(o[0])-~A,d);d>v>o<O.add(d)
 return`O`[9::5]

aditsu

@9cHeruinr96a I answered what I use, using what I don't use

TimmyD

5:50 PM

Logo idea (remember, I'm not an artist) ... three boxes arranged horizontally, with arrows between going left to right. [STDIN] -> [ε] -> [STDOUT] or similar.

Aqua Tart

@9cHeruinr96a "<>PYF are the keys on a DVORAK keyboard that are in the same position as the QWERTY keys on a QWERTY keyboard

Dvorak Simplified Keyboard

The Dvorak Simplified Keyboard (/dᵊˈvɔːræk/ d-VOR-ak) is a keyboard layout patented in 1936 by Dr. August Dvorak and his brother-in-law, Dr. William Dealey. Over the years several slight variations were designed by the team led by Dvorak or by ANSI. These variations have been collectively or individually also called the Simplified Keyboard or American Simplified Keyboard but they all have come to be commonly known as the Dvorak keyboard or Dvorak layout. Dvorak proponents claim the Dvorak layout uses less finger motion and reduces errors compared to the standard QWERTY keyboard. This reduction...

A slightly esoteric reply

Anonymous

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Q: Visualize the greatest common divisor

Background The greatest common divisor (gcd for short) is a convenient mathematical function, since it has many useful properties. One of them is Bézout's identity: if d = gcd(a, b), then there exist integers x and y such that d = x*a + y*b. In this challenge, your task is to visualize this prop...