The Nineteenth Byte

Downgoat

03:00

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ G"night

ETHproductions

Hooray, #1 on HNQ :)

Alex A.

\o/

El'endia Starman

Using a German keyboard means I have to find characters by trial and error sometimes. :P

Liam

phonetic keyboards ftw

quartata

-3

Q: help me to prompt the user to enter the size of an array.. I NEED THIS NOW PLEASE

prompt the user to enter the size of an array and allow the user to input integer values to your array. check each element if it is even or odd. if even, print the sorted elements (ascending value) if odd get the max and min using conditional statement. output the result

this is beautiful

> javascript java

Downgoat

03:01

> Also, JavaScript =\= Java

Alex A.

No they are same

ETHproductions

@quartata Wow, Doorknob, you're slacking. 33 whole seconds?

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is code golf. Take a string as input. The string is assumed to be of any length (including the empty string) and to contain at most two different characters (chosen by the user from the printable ASCII set or equivalent), say 'x' and 'y'. The program will interpret the string as a word in th...

quartata

I know, right?

Doorknob

@ETHproductions I know I know

Alex A.

03:02

I saw a job opening once that said "Java, also called JavaScript, ..."

Doorknob

:P

ETHproductions

^

quartata

@AlexA. wtf

Doorknob

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

quartata

You know, funny story.

Quill

03:02

Downgoat

@Quill D:

quartata

Originally the guy who made JS was hired to implement Scheme in Netscape

Then upper management cancelled it because the language "didn't look like Java"

xnor

@Sp3000 my 64 is kind-of ugly

quartata

So that's how JavaScript was born

And the world is worse for it

Sp3000

Hmm only have 71 so far, brute forcing expressions atm

New Main Posts

03:04

-4

Q: help me to prompt the user to enter the size of an array.. I NEED THIS NOW PLEASE

prompt the user to enter the size of an array and allow the user to input integer values to your array. check each element if it is even or odd. if even, print the sorted elements (ascending value) if odd get the max and min using conditional statement. output the result

array-manipulation javascript java

Alex A.

@quartata That guy is the former CEO of Mozilla. Had to step down after people found out that he donated a bunch of money to CA Prop 8.

quartata

:/

Downgoat

@quartata JavaScript is amazing!

Quill

@quartata I thought JavaScript was born in the fiery pits of Mordor?

quartata

@Downgoat lmao

Alex A.

03:04

@quartata Which part are you :/ing?

quartata

@Quill It was made in 10 days apparently.

Quill

that's okay. html is literally xml with different headers

quartata

@AlexA. That he donated a bunch of money to Prop 8

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Why ´=/=` and not.... Dennis, how do I type the backslash and at symbol on a German keyboard?!

quartata

@Sp3000 What challenge is this?

Alex A.

03:05

@quartata Yeah. Needless to say, a lot of people were a lot of pissed.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman \@ ?

Sp3000

@quartata golf.shinh.org/p.rb?1st+2nd+3rd+4th

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat German keyboard

Meh, I'll just switch back to the English one. :P

quartata

@Sp3000 Oh. Didn't know you golfed on anagol

Alex A.

hhahahaha

> analgol

Sp3000

03:06

Occasionally - xnor just linked me earlier though for this one

quartata

don't even

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Why =\= and not =/=?

Alex A.

In Fortran, not equal is /=

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman how does it matter

ETHproductions

:=(

El'endia Starman

03:08

@Downgoat ≠

trichoplax

In BASIC it's <>

Alex A.

In SAS it's ^=

ETHproductions

^^ as in Excel

darn bearmonkeys

Alex A.

Here be bearmonkeys

El'endia Starman

I thought we had this spiel of not-equals in different languages already.

Alex A.

03:09

Probably

trichoplax

I missed that one

ETHproductions

≠)

Downgoat

ok i just need help. fvck this — cheese 2 mins ago

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions Gnarly scar.

quartata

@Downgoat hahahaha

Quill

03:09

@Downgoat fvcking hell

Homework's probably due tomorrow or something

Alex A.

I think that much is clear :P

quartata

We'll never know if it was a JavaScript or Java assignment

Quill

@quartata asks the real questions

Downgoat

Quill

I'll call the regex police on you

Alex A.

03:11

@quartata Their the same tho

Quill

require("java");

Sp3000

@xnor For per-line input problems like these, is there ever anything better than while 1:n=input();print ...? I suppose exec is too long

trichoplax

40 GOTO REGEX HTML PARSER

quartata

I like the part where you edited that to make the grammar worse

@Quill You should really use the jQuery Java module though

use that and the jQuery homework module

Oh Mr. Cheese has created a profile on SO

Quill

@quartata from __homework__ import jQuery, Java, JavaScript

quartata

03:13

> BSCS, CEU MAKATI

Downgoat

@Quill from jquery import javascript

Quill

@quartata that's japanese for avocado

quartata

and he still doesn't know the difference between JavaScript and Java

At first I found that funny

Now I'm just sad

Alex A.

@quartata It's a university in the Philippeans

Quill

@quartata how many times does alex have to tell you? their the saem

quartata

03:14

@AlexA. I know.

Anyways.

Alex A.

@quartata And yet you don't know Java is JavaScript.

For sham.

Quill

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A: How does my router resolve a URL like http://router.asus.com/ to its IP address?

Your router has it's own DNS server. When you do use it online, it'll forward to your ISPs DNS, but it's also added it's own entry at router.asus.com to point to itself. As you're likely using DHCP, it'll automatically assign your machines to use it's own DNS. You could test this by changing to ...

interesting

Alex A.

wow such interest, very dns

asus

Downgoat

> Looks like it uses the following JQuery

jQuery has infected the routers D:

Quill

data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/431747/…

El'endia Starman

03:20

@Quill Oh cool. ... That's actually fewer than I expected.

Alex A.

Who is Sathya? o_O

Downgoat

@AlexA. Can [time] be made a tag synonym of [date]?

@AlexA. a SU mod afaik

Quill

@AlexA. Super User mod

ninja'd

Alex A.

Why is he making PPCG queries?

Quill

I changed it manually

Alex A.

03:21

o

So you are Sathya

El'endia Starman

Yyyyeah.

Downgoat

@AlexA. no he is Quill

Quill

Quillthya

Alex A.

Sathyall

@Downgoat Depends how it's being used

quartata

Hmm. I posted remove the "you already have an answer" notifications on the Q&A site thing, but I'm not sure if we should remove the more than 30 answers one.

Downgoat

03:22

@AlexA. well [datetime] is a synonym of [date]

quartata

We do see a lot of duplicate answers on catalogs. Maybe that pop-up helps prevent some of them, dunno.

It would be nice if it could go away on the sandbox though....

El'endia Starman

@quartata If it could be removed on Meta for the Sandbox, go for it.

...ninja'd. :(

Downgoat

And the tag wiki of [date] says: "This challenge is [...] clock times."

Alex A.

Alright, done

Downgoat

\o/

Alex A.

03:25

Oh, I guess it needs approval.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/date/synonyms

Needs 4 people to upvote the proposed synonym.

Downgoat

> You do not have the required score on this tag to vote for this tag synonym

:(

quartata

Luckily I do.

Alex A.

@Downgoat Huh

quartata

I thought mod votes on synonym were binding though

Alex A.

I thought so too

quartata

03:27

Might be something worth posting on le Mother Meta

Calvin's Hobbies

y u no work taco :/

Alex A.

@quartata Doorknob asked 2 years ago

quartata

ha

El'endia Starman

Eh? I have approved tag synonyms and merged tags on C.SE.

quartata

status-status-deferred

El'endia Starman

03:29

It'd be odd for that to be a graduated-site feature.

quartata

"We might give this post a status someday"

Quill

speaking of graduation....

Alex A.

Okay, figured it out

Quill

how many days was it?

Alex A.

5 more years, bro

quartata

03:30

Ye

Alex A.

PPCG: "Can has graduat senpai"
SE: "Get rekt lul"

2

quartata

And every time you ask a question about graduation they bump it up another 5

Calvin's Hobbies

mod conspiracy this is...

quartata

?

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman I know they paid you off!

El'endia Starman

03:31

@quartata We'll graduate next millennium, then.

Quill

I wonder which will come first. Area51 getting an upgrade, or PPCG graduating

Alex A.

Area 51 feels so awkward

quartata

@Quill PPCG graduating, since SE has said they'll never update Area51

Alex A.

I really dislike using it

quartata

But we'll graduate... someday.

Alex A.

03:32

@quartata Where did they say that?

quartata

some meta post lel

one second

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A: Area 51 Mobile Site

Area 51 is actually a separate codebase from the rest of the Stack Exchange sites. At this point it is sort of on its last legs as we're working towards "Area 52", which is probably/hopefully not going to be actually called "Area 52". We currently don't have any plans to put a lot of developmen...

it looks like they'll deprecate it in favor of this a52 thing

Coming out right around the same time as HL4

Quill

> We currently don't have any plans to put a lot of development effort into Area 51

> 2012

quartata

Yeah. Exactly.

There's another meta post too

But I can't find it

You get the idea

Quill

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A: What's going on with Area 51?

Following up on Mad Scientist's recap of Area 51, there was a particularly salient point: The Area 51 process has significant flaws … but it still works somehow. … it still works somehow. I've been white-boarding a next-generation site-creation process on and off over several years, but w...

> 2015

Calvin's Hobbies

When we do finally graduate, what will we make jokes about?

quartata

03:36

Code Review

xnor

@Sp3000 I've never seen it, but I've done relatively few problems of this type.

Quill

Make jokes about getting more mods

quartata

@Quill I do hope we get 4 mod seats and not 3

Quill

or about some other site that hasn't graduated yet. Like Lifehacks

El'endia Starman

@ChronoFish Implementation keeps going back to the drawing board. Most of the designs (to date) have been... overwrought. Designing something that is robust, scalable, broadly applicable, and easy to understand has been difficult. But as we launch more sites, we're learning how to be more deterministic in measuring success... and how to guide communities along that path. But implementing something usable gets pushed back every time we learn new ways to make it much less complicated. We may land on a system where we start with "beta sites" and there's hardly an Area51-style "process" at all. — Robert Cartaino ♦ Dec 19 '14 at 18:11

Sp3000

03:37

@xnor Hmm well in any case I'm probably just doing this problem incorrectly, because I'm a fair ways off :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@Quill More? We have 6 already and 2 are inactive

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Pro tem mods lose their seats when a site graduates

Hence "pro tempore"

> for the time

Calvin's Hobbies

I know.

quartata

OK.

El'endia Starman

Technically, yes, but many/most pro-tems get elected.

quartata

03:38

Most likely we'll only end up with 3 (that's the default).

Calvin's Hobbies

3 mods seems ok

quartata

Alex said something about begging for 4

Quill

We had to beg for our seats

quartata

I personally think we need 4.

3 doesn't feel like enough to me.

Alex A.

I agree

We don't have to beg though

Quill

03:39

so... who's running?

quartata

The pro tems

Alex A.

Grace Note just told me to tell her that we want 4 slots when the time comes

quartata

I doubt any other people will run

Calvin's Hobbies

> when the time comes

El'endia Starman

Anyone think I should run?

I wasn't planning on it...

quartata

03:40

@El'endiaStarman sure but you'll lose terribly because everyone will just vote the pro-tems back

El'endia Starman

Probably. :P

Alex A.

@Quill The four active pro-tems: Martin, Doorknob, Dennis, and me, as well as PhiNotPi.

Probably others too.

ProgramFOX might run again. (He ran in the informal election in which Dennis and I were chosen.)

quartata

ProgramFOX does a lot of janitorial stuff behind the scenes but he's not very active on the site overall

Doorknob

@AlexA. Technically none of the protems have explicitly mentioned that they will run in the election on graduation, actually :P

quartata

I don't think I'd want him as a mod (sorry)

Alex A.

03:41

I'm probably a little biased, but I think the current pro-tem team has been doing a great job and works exceptionally well together.

El'endia Starman

I agree.

quartata

@Doorknob Are you implying that you're not running? :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Doorknobs don't run, only turn

5

Doorknob

ninja'd to the pun I was about to make by Calvin

Alex A.

@Doorknob sigh technicality. :P I feel like it's a pretty safe assumption.

Doorknob

03:42

-_-

@AlexA. Yeah, just nitpicking :P

Alex A.

You picked all my nits

You picked my nits raw

El'endia Starman

[waits for Lenny face]

Doorknob

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Alex A.

( ͜ಠ ͡ʖ ͜ಠ)

Doorknob

what

quartata

03:44

ヽ(◥▶∀◀◤)ﾉ

Alex A.

@Doorknob Disturbing upside down Lenny is disturbing

quartata

lenny face phone home

Alex A.

38 secs ago, by Doorknob

what

quartata

Are there any pro tems who will (or are considering) not running in the election?

Real talk here.

Doorknob

not AFAIK

quartata

03:46

@Dennis @MartinBüttner

El'endia Starman

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A: What's going on with Area 51?

Following up on Mad Scientist's recap of Area 51, there was a particularly salient point: The Area 51 process has significant flaws … but it still works somehow. … it still works somehow. I've been white-boarding a next-generation site-creation process on and off over several years, but w...

Essentially, the current Area 51 site works well enough and the dev team is too busy doing newer stuff that benefits more people.

Dennis

@quartata Oh, I'm running.

quartata

@Dennis k good

El'endia Starman

I predict the final ranking will be 1) Martin, 2) Dennis, 3) Doorknob, 4) Alex, 5) PhiNotPi, 6..?) other people.

Alex A.

;-;

El'endia Starman

03:49

Nothing against you.

Dennis

Why on Earth would I come in ahead of Doorknob and Alex?

quartata

Actual ranking:

El'endia Starman

You're a lot more visible.

Doorknob

Alex is like literally everywhere

quartata

1) Martin 1) Dennis 1) Doorknob 1) Alex

Alex A.

03:49

@quartata ?

Dennis

I post a lot more. That's rather unrelated to moderating.

Alex A.

@Doorknob Am I? o_O

El'endia Starman

@quartata I'm sure you're joking, but we only get 3 picks in the election. Someone will be 4th.

Calvin's Hobbies

For the record, @MartinBüttner definitely has my vote. Feels like he's always trying to improve the site with stuff like meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8441 and meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8350

quartata

> joking

Alex A.

03:51

@El'endiaStarman You only get 3 picks even when there's 4 slots?

Calvin's Hobbies

(I know meta != moderating but it shows dedication to the quality of the site)

El'endia Starman

Hmm. If people vote based on moderation, probably 1) Doorknob, 2) Alex, 3) Martin, 4) Dennis.

Doorknob

Sometimes I think Alex is actually 5 sock accounts because there's no way he could be in chat, post on main and meta, handle flags, and comment/etc. on posts so quickly while still being one person

2

quartata

@AlexA. yes

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Correct.

Anonymous

03:51

Our current 4 active mods are a hell of a team. I absolutely support 4 mod slots, and those 4 being re-elected :)

3

Alex A.

Huh, didn't know.

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Alex is pretty active on meta too

Calvin's Hobbies

Yes

Alex A.

Alex loves you.

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata I feel like I see Doorknob and Dennis less there, but maybe I'm wrong

Anonymous

03:52

And if we only get 3 votes, I'll feel bad about having to not vote for one of them

quartata

Doorknob was more active on meta in previous years

Quill

How do the protems rank in Candidate scores

Alex A.

@Doorknob Shh you'll reveal my secret >_>

@Quill How does one obtain said score?

quartata

Dennis is actually fairly active on meta but mostly on things like scoring and validity

The reason why Martin and Alex are sticking in your head is because they're the ones always nagging SE it seems

Alex A.

lel

Calvin's Hobbies

03:53

How many mods does SO have?

El'endia Starman

a lot

Dennis

Too few.

Alex A.

^ and ^^

Downgoat

@Calvin'sHobbies 18

El'endia Starman

I like how those are not exclusive. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

03:53

For the sake of an argument, do we actually need 4 or just want 4?

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies Lots of things like that are discussed extensively in the mod chatroom before actually being posted. Martin had been discussing those two posts specifically for months, and Alex and Dennis provided a ton of input there as well

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Define need.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies stackoverflow.com/users?tab=moderators

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Yep, 18.

Alex A.

Ninja'd

El'endia Starman

03:54

...... :( ninja'd in ~~both~~ all three parts...

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Like, without a 4th the others won't be able to keep up with flags/etc.

Anonymous

To me, it seems more like this: Doorknob and Alex are carpet bombers - they do everything and are highly visable. Dennis and Martin are more like tactical nukes - they don't do as much visible stuff, but when they do, it's always well thought-out and on important issues.

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes, we need 4. (but not because of flags per se)

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies Flag load is most definitely not a problem at all

El'endia Starman

I didn't think flag load was an issue.

Alex A.

03:54

@Calvin'sHobbies Well, we got by effectively with 1 (Doorknob) for a long time.

Doorknob

It wasn't even a problem when I was the only really active mod

Calvin's Hobbies

The why, strictly, do we need 4 mods?

Anonymous

Though we could probably get away with 3 mods, our 4 work so well together that I don't see a reason not to elect all 4 of them :P

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies We have different needs and standards than other sites, so I feel like moderating here is a little different. A lot of things are not at all obvious and require a closer eye.

Quill

SEDE: Top 100 election candidates by Election Candidate Score

Anonymous

03:56

I'd imagine having more perspectives on complex site issues (like the popcon issues) helps

Doorknob

@Quill No surprise that Martin's at the top there :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob Can you let 20kers into that someday? ;D

El'endia Starman

@Quill Dang, I lost to even @quartata.

quartata

@Quill this is meaningless flags and rep aren't everything

@El'endiaStarman That's just because I have a lot of edits and flags :P

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies heh, it's a mod-only chatroom for a reason. PII and whatnot.

Alex A.

03:57

@Calvin'sHobbies Unfortunately not because we discuss moderation things in there which would be a violation of the mod agreement.

Shitninja'd

El'endia Starman

Interesting idea though: mod+20k room.

Dennis

@Downgoat Would you mind if I applied quine to Generate Programs in Increasing size? I tried to find it to post my answer, and it took me a while without the tag.

Anonymous

Those stats don't mean a whole lot for us

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman so 19th byte? :P

Quill

@quartata This is SE's candidate score that they display at every election

Downgoat

03:58

@Dennis sure

Doorknob

Also, 23 seconds. Still slipping, but getting a little better...

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Do you have chat and main open on separate monitors? :P

Anonymous

For example, the editing badges can be gotten legitimately really easily here by adding syntax highlighting and cleaning up headers, which are relatively minor things, and as such the editing badges are basically ubiquitous

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman No, but I keep a main tab perpetually open, so I see the WebSocket notifications in the title

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