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Anonymous
6:00 AM
Oldest is either Peter or edc I think, not sure which
 
edc
 
2016 - 2009.....
 
Now Peter Taylor is impressive.
I love how much math he knows
 
I was 15
^
Yeah it's pretty impressive
 
@Liam So you're the same age as @Mego
 
6:01 AM
\0/
 
He died in 2009?
I was 19.
 
Anonymous
@Justin He's a few months older, actually
 
Okay
 
I think I felt like everyone was so much older is because many people are already pretty established here
 
not everyone
 
Anonymous
6:02 AM
"pretty established" lol
 
Anonymous
I've only been around for 4 months
 
Out of curiosity, strawpoll.me/6831915
 
/me has been around for a week or so
i think
 
haha well some people just golf like mofos
and get way more rep than poor little me in similar amounts of time
 
wait what 3x15-19, 2x20-24?
 
Anonymous
6:03 AM
I used to be bad at golfing in Python, but then xnor imparted wisdom
 
I've been golfing much less since coming to college, since there's not that much time.
 
/me has 51 rep
 
tbh I kinda hate golfing.....
 
Anonymous
@somebody Doorknob and Justin are 15-19, Liam and I are 20-24. Not sure who the third 15-19 is (maybe you?)
 
@Liam THE SHAME
:)
 
6:04 AM
@Mego yes
 
I really prefer challenges that require interesting algorithms and stuff
 
Anonymous
I enjoy a good code challenge over golfing
 
<---gets kicked
 
Anonymous
The 4 KiB preview challenge was the most fun to work on so far
 
I enjoy both
 
6:04 AM
I don't like the mods
they golf way too quickly
 
@somebody :(
 
Golfing is one of the best ways for me to learn a language
 
@Liam Clearly, you haven't seen the times where a solution is golfy because of a novel algorithm
 
@Justin not necessarily
it's good for learning features
 
Anonymous
@somebody Only Dennis and Martin. Alex is perfectly lovable.
 
6:05 AM
@Sp3000 that is almost certainly the case
 
@somebody Then use a language that they don't use
 
bad for learning good code style
 
Good code style? What are we, Code Review? :P
 
I have no idea how long ago I started golfing. I haven't done it much but I kinda just found out about this whole room maybe 3 hours ago haha
 
@Liam Not always...
 
6:06 AM
@somebody I use it for learning the quirks of a language and good code style. Golfing actually teaches you good style because you make conscious choices on the formatting
 
Anonymous
To me, golfing is getting to the point where it feels like I'm just applying the same tricks over and over, with nothing new/interesting
 
@Justin my bad, *naming conventions
 
Also it teaches you the quirks of the language, which are part of the style
 
Anonymous
Which I guess means it's time for me to learn a new language
 
APL
 
6:07 AM
@Mego barinfuck
 
@Mego I suggest Chinese
 
@Sp3000 I think the thing is that i've been pretty turned off by golfing languages in general and without a golfing language, novel methods are usually not as easy to get down into few bytes
 
@AlexA. Jelly, it's shorter :P
 
I can't type Jelly so I haven't even tried to learn it. :P
 
@Justin isn't mandarin chinese?
 
Anonymous
6:07 AM
^^ same
 
i copy from docs/atoms.md in the wiki
 
@Liam I don't like golfing languages much, but languages that happen to be good at golfing are fun to use, such as Befunge
 
@Liam Well, I was thinking about situations more like these
 
Anonymous
Mandarin is a dialect of Chinese; the most popular dialect, in fact
 
@somebody Yes, but I changed it since people might not know. Also Mandarin is just a dialect. You've also got Cantonese as the next biggest dialect.
 
6:08 AM
@Mego Dennis based it on the US International keyboard. On a Mac I can get most of the characters using the Option key, but you might be out of luck, Mr. Windows. ;)
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. It's actually pretty painless to change keyboard layouts in Windows
 
@Mego Not necessarily, and to prove it: You can drop C completely from your correlation coefficient answer, for one thing
 
@Mego Oh, okay. That's good.
 
@Mego Which I found out today. :D
It can get a bit frustrating when you have no idea how to type that character you want. Like @ on a German keyboard.
 
@Sp3000 Yeah that's actually pretty interesting. Maybe one day I'll find something "magic" like that
 
Anonymous
6:13 AM
@Sp3000 That's more due to the fact that I'm sleepy and thought I would need that function twice for some reason :P
 
Out of curiosity (because I just found out that not everyone here is 40) are most of you in/graduates of CS programs?
 
Anonymous
Graduate here
 
@Liam Yeah, admittedly that doesn't happen very often :/ But I don't feel like I need to use a golfing language in order to implement an algorithm though, unless it's very clunky to do in my language of choice
 
no, i'm in school :P
 
In
 
6:13 AM
Probably gonna go into a math degree when I get to uni
 
Anonymous
I have a B.S. in C.S. (as of last May)
 
Anyone do anything else weird?
 
I'm currently second year Software Engineering
 
like do we have any English majors
 
/me is probably gonna do a science degree
 
6:14 AM
@Mego Well part 2: drop those [] in the sum of S :P
 
<--BS Math+BA Russian as of last may
@somebody "science" is a big place lol
 
yeah, haven't decided yet
 
I'm thinking of specialising in AI
 
Anonymous
@Sp3000 I really shouldn't code while sleepy :P
 
I did a machine learning course and really enjoyed it
 
6:15 AM
That's cool, ML is huge right now
 
if not AI, then I want to become a security engineer
 
as in IA?
 
(information assurance/crypto/cybersecurity)
 
Anonymous
6:16 AM
ML is pretty neat
 
I like reverse engineering
 
Anonymous
I have a textbook from a professor that I've been working through over the past few months
 
Out of curiousity strawpoll.me/6831960
 
Wooo Age of Mythology!
 
obviously i don't eat food
also, apparently nobody active in chat is above 24
 
6:19 AM
Emphasis on "active in chat (intersect) voted on strawpoll" though
 
Anonymous
All the old people are asleep
 
Anonymous
I'm the only one so far who has voted for dissing CR :P
 
Anonymous
Funny, because I rarely diss them. I only have limited time, and the list of things I could say is very long.
 
@somebody I am
As is Dennis
and Geobits
 
@El'endiaStarman The Extended Edition on Steam? Maybe we could play together some time. Also, were you the one who put AOE2?
 
6:22 AM
@Justin I also checked AoE2. I have that one on Steam. I do not have the Extended Edition of AoM, unfortunately, as I got it before that came out.
 
I actually own both the Steam editions and the hard copies...
 
@Liam BS in math, working part-time on a master's in applied statistics. Working at the same time. No CS background.
 
Nice. I do own AoE2 on disk too.
 
@AlexA. but it's not on strawpoll.me/6831915 :(
 
Do you want to play AOE2 sometime?
 
6:23 AM
KSP for life!
 
@AlexA. Yay for that. while I was in school, I could barely python. I remember printing out class objects and getting stuff like 01f2431 and being like... wtf is that
 
@Justin damnit, i thought golf == code golf
 
@somebody It is code golf
...
I should have put that there
 
(there def wasn't an 'h' in my made up hex address)
 
@somebody Oh, didn't see the poll. Dennis and Geobits are probably in bed, otherwise you'd have two in the 30-34 part.
 
6:26 AM
strawpoll should be embedded in chat imo
 
Huh, that's a super wide range of ages
 
Peter's ancient. edc65 is even older.
 
@somebody No. Please no. I don't want to have strawpoll taking up so much space on chat. It's fine to link to it, but not for it to be a major feature of chat.
 
There's no way Stack Exchange would implement that anyway.
 
6:27 AM
not even if it displayed as two lines?
 
@Sp3000 I see what you did there...
 
as in one line for options, one for results
 
@Sp3000 ಠ_ಠ
 
@Sp3000 the only winning move is not to vote
 
@somebody Miaou, which is based on SE chat, has it.
"It" being built-in polls
 
6:28 AM
I fixed it :P
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Miaou is also generally awful
 
@Justin Fine, since you want equality: strawpoll.me/6832023
 
@Mego It's kind of weird but I think it has some nice features that would be useful in SE chat.
 
what if polls were in the sidebar?
 
Anonymous
What if we stopped with the polls?
 
6:30 AM
@somebody You're welcome to propose it on Meta Stack Exchange but I have a feeling the proposal wouldn't get a whole lot of support.
@Mego What if we polled with the stops?
 
@Mego enough with those radical ideas! Down with the anti-strawpoll regime!
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. We'd have to poll out all the stops
 
^ booooo
 
( ͡∞ ͜ʖ ͡∞)
 
@El'endiaStarman So yeah. If you ever want to play AOE2, we can figure out a way to do so.
 
6:34 AM
yeah
 
Quincunx on Steam.
 
What's happening with the Steam group, anyway?
 
Quartatertootles and I played Counter-Strike: Source together on Friday
 
Whoa we have a steam group?
 
I should probably dl that one
 
6:36 AM
Feb 11 at 3:39, by Alex A.
Yo, I made a Steam group for PPCG folks. Ping me with your Steam username if you want to join!
@Justin ^
 
I searched "code golf" and one of the first results was: "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic"
 
._.
 
;)
 
My Little Program: Code Golf is Magic
6
 
My little pony
 
6:38 AM
I used to be into that, it wasn't a good time
 
RIP
 
@AlexA. Quincunx
 
Mr. dragonfruit?
 
@Justin Invitation sent!
@Aearnus Invitation sent!
 
6:41 AM
I've never actually had a dragonfruit...
 
They're tasty
The interior texture is sort of kiwi-ish
 
I love kiwis
 
you mean halfway between a kiwi and a soft watermelon?
 
If you can find dragonfruit where you are, you should give it a try.
@somebody Um, I guess? I don't know, honestly it's been quite a while.
 
Yes I will. Except if it's only at LoLos; they sell bad fruit
 
6:43 AM
I just think they look cool, never had one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
You know what really tastes good? Mangosteen.
 
@Sp3000 You were lucky that you required to be member #19 when you did, because it worked out perfectly. :D
 
@AlexA. There are a lot of quincunxes...
Uh oh
 
@Justin The name sounds vaguely familiar. It's a mango cross-bred with... what?
 
No
 
6:44 AM
My "suggested content" for the tour page: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8452/2867
Warning: no proofreading
 
It's called a mangosteen but as fare as I know, there is no relation to a mango
 
@Justin The avatar looks like yours kind of. Location said Reston, Virginia.
 
Nope
Not me
 
Fuck
 
I don't have an avatar......
 
6:45 AM
So you don't play Skyrim?
 
I'm looking for a link
I only have 2 games: AOE2 and AOM.
 
This is the guy I invited :|
 
Anonymous
I just hugely improved my compression answer :)
 
If you have steam open, go to your profile, right click anywhere, and click copy page URL
 
Anonymous
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A: Compress an image to a 4 KiB preview

MegoPython with PIL, score 0.045466 Compressor: #!/usr/bin/env python from __future__ import division import sys, traceback, os from PIL import Image from fractions import Fraction import time, io def image_bytes(img, scale): w,h = [int(dim*scale) for dim in img.size] bio = io.BytesIO() ...

 
@AlexA. tbh I would have joined anyway :P
 
@Justin Found you and sent
 
k
 
@Sp3000 Well, it worked out anyway. :P
 
... I almost clicked on "ignore"
 
6:48 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
I'll get a picture up there shortly
 
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Q: How can I ask a question scored by complexity?

CJ DennisI want to post a challenge where the scoring is based on complexity but I don't know a) how to define this and b) how well it would be received. As an example, say the FPU (Floating Point Unit) has been disabled and the challenge requires floating point arithmetic. If adding or subtracting two n...

 
geobits' son is like a pirated stockimage now
 
Is this a good profile?
Hmm
 
Same as Patrick Roberts' on here :D
 
6:52 AM
I can guarantee it's not the same image, though, since I generated that image overnight a year ago; took more than 4 hours to generate
 
:O
How'd you do it?
 
A Java program
 
Nice
 
Anonymous
> took more than 4 hours ... Java program
 
Anonymous
There's your problem
 
6:53 AM
No, that's not the problem
 
I wonder if native Spanish speakers would pronounce Java as "hava."
 
I ran multithreaded, yes. The iteration count was high, something like 10000 per pixel. Also, the dimensions of the image are exactly the dimensions of my laptop's desktop; wanted a good desktop background.
The problem was that I didn't use the GPU at all. I still don't know a good access to the GPU...
Seeing as it's just past Valentine's day, maybe this should be my profile pic:
 
I use the GPU all the time. The Google Processing Unit.
 
10000 per pixel? That's insane
 
@Aearnus I kept upping it to see what would change :-)
 
Anonymous
6:56 AM
@Justin I'm not sure that it's possible to do GPU processing in Java
 
@Mego Not natively. You can use a library for it
I did the research
Just never started doing it
 
Yes, CUDA can be used, also Open... is it Cl or Gl?
Either it's OpenCL or OpenGL
 
CL
iirc
 
It looks like both are a thing
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Q: OpenGL vs. OpenCL, which to choose and why?

dronusWhat features make OpenCL unique to choose over OpenGL with GLSL for calculations? Despite the graphic related terminology and inpractical datatypes, is there any real caveat to OpenGL? For example, parallel function evaluation can be done by rendering a to a texture using other textures. Reduc...

 
Anonymous
6:59 AM
OpenCL is more general than OpenGL because OpenGL is specifically about gfx
 
Yes
So basically, the Mandelbrot set is one of my go-to problems for learning a language.
 
OpenGL is also a huge pain to use, idk if openCL is the same
 
Okay
I have a new idea
I should generate a new avatar based on some fractal. I've got to think about this
 
NEWTON FRACTALS!
 
julia set?
no
wait
multibrot
 
7:02 AM
It has to be in the shape of a quincunx, though
 
Here are some I generated a long time ago m.imgur.com/a/mZo71
You could probably finagle an equation to make something that looks like a quincunx
 
Not quincunx shaped
Yeah
Maybe find a fractal on a circle and duplicate the fractal
 
Anonymous
#3 is suspiciously similar to Peter's avatar :P
 
Not really...
 
^- apparently a quincunx fractal
 
7:04 AM
What...
 
or you could create one yourself - replace each dot on a quincunx with a smaller version
 
@somebody I was thinking of that, but then it would not be visible
Since there'd be a couple dots in places and that's it
The sierpinski triangle is invisible
 
You could do something with l-systems
 
making sure they're at least one pixel in diameter?
 
@somebody Yeah, but still, it would be hard to see the pattern...
I'll just think of something.
Anyway, goodnight.
 
7:07 AM
replace each dot with a multibrot?
 
^ something like that
 
Anonymous
@Sp3000 That would be the source of his avatar :P
 
I'm not so sure about that - his avatar doesn't look as... speckly
I wouldn't be surprised if primo's was from there though
 
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Q: Output the smallest powers of 2 with two identical sequences of digits n long

CJ DennisGiven an integer n, 0 or higher, output the lowest power of 2 that has two identical sequences of n digits in decimal, and the two indices where the digit sequences start. n      Output      Proof (don't output this) 0 => 0 [0 1]        (_1 & 1_) 1 => 16 [0 4]      (65536 & 6553...

 
Anonymous
@Sp3000 They both are. The speckles disappear due to downsampling for avatar size.
 
@PhiNotPi!
 
7:35 AM
0
Q: Output the current time in ascii art

Mathias FosterChallenge Your task is to output the time (in 12 hour time) in ascii art. All characters that will be used are as follows: ___ __ ___ ____ _ _ _____ __ ______ / _ \ /_ | |__ \ |___ \ | || | | ____| / / |____ | | | | | | | ) | __) | | || |_ | |__ /...

 
Anonymous
@Sp3000 Does this look more like Peter's avatar? :P
 
Anonymous
 
Woot, first sandboxed post in quite a while.
 
@Mego No, because Peter's one looks more flat-colour. What I mean is, just because Peter's avatar is a colourful fractal doesn't necessarily mean that it was from that challenge
 
Peter said once that he took his avatar from a challenge
 
7:40 AM
This one looks a bit more likely: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2528/…
 
My profile pic should soon change to x^6-9x^3+8, carefully designed by choosing the roots and then using Wolfram Alpha to simplify the polynomial. Ok, I cheated by swapping the hues around afterwards in the GIMP. — Peter Taylor May 11 '11 at 22:55
> the GIMP
haha
 
Anonymous
Err... It's not Peter that I'm thinking of.
 
Anonymous
Somebody else uses that picture for an avatar (the 5-pointed one), but I can't find it in my sleepy state
 
primo was mentioned earlier.
Not him, but I know who you're talking about.
 
Anonymous
Yeah primo's is a different pattern, but from the same challenge
 
7:47 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Alex A.A Free Sample of Autocorrelation Consider a 1-dimensional, real-valued vector x that represents observations of some process measured at equally spaced intervals over time. We call x a time series. Let n denote the length of x and denote the arithmetic mean of x as x̄. The sample autocovarianc...

 
Oh, not phase. Hmm.
Tomalak, Frankfurt Am Main, Germany
518 4 9
@quartata's evil twin.
 
Anonymous
phase has a NTSC test pattern
 
Anonymous
user image
3
 
therefore, well-known open source code is the worst code
*third worst, golfing langs are second and brainfuck is first to everyone except for primo
 
Just went through the first 70 pages of users (down to 161). No Newton's fractal avatar after Peter and primo.
 
7:52 AM
@somebody Actually, you don't say wtf when reading brainfuck, because your brain isn't even able to understand how wtf it is :)
 
then brainfuck is the best code possible
then is java the worst?
perl? php?
 
perl could be a good choice
 
BF is fine. Other people's BF is the hard part.
 
and about java, have you already see some piece of C# or swift? :)
@Sp3000 Or yours after 3 months :)
 
/me used c# for the whole of 2015
 
7:54 AM
Hopefully if it were me, I still have comments in it everywhere :P
 
also, is unary the best or the worst?
 
Unary is just silly - first step to understanding Unary is counting how many chars there are, second step is wondering how this Unary program can possibly do anything useful, considering it had so few chars that you actually managed to count them
 
but what if the OS counted for you?
 
Do you mean unary the language or the counting system?
 
language
 
7:57 AM
For the unary counting system, you can use this regex to test if it is prime: /^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$/
 
"unary.1" selected (1,099,511,627,776 bytes)
 
that's all I know
 
Even so - if a Unary program fits on your computer, it probably can't do very much (except, say, cat)
 
*1,125,899,906,742,624 <- i got it wrong, didn't i
 
Most unary languages are trnaslated to BF right?
 
7:59 AM
yeah
 
Not "Most unary languages", it's just that when we say Unary we usually mean this entry on esolang wiki
 
that one = most
100% > 0%, therefore 100% is the most
codegolf.com <- D: it exists, but it's useless
 
They could have golfed their page more by writing "brb"
 
/me thinks someone should buy the pp.cg domain
 
@somebody there's already ppcg.lol :)
 
8:06 AM
pp.cg/TIO/
@Katenkyo should have been ppcg.se
 
@somebody I didn't chose, it wasn't me who bought it ^^
 
yeah, but still, whoever bought it should have thought for longer
 
8:21 AM
.se is the TLD for Sweden.
ppcg.site is available. Hmmmm...
 
I love when a challenge asks for two different things as output...
 
VTC as unclear what they're asking.
 
why not ppcg.se?
 
6 mins ago, by El'endia Starman
.se is the TLD for Sweden.
I can get ppcg.site for about $1/yr. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman what has that got to do with not meing able to get ppcg.se?
 
8:29 AM
@somebody I'd have to make an offer to have any hope of getting ppcg.se.
 
oh
but it's not golfed enough
pp.cg is better
 
Cg isn't for Congo?
 
Taken by a company in Switzerland.
 
wait what?
 
hmm, hold on
 
8:31 AM
@somebody you can't use .cg either, it's for the Republic of Congo
"Additional registrations, and registrations by foreigners, have a cost of €225/year as of 2008."
 
No, Katenkyo's right, it's for Congo. The address says Congo, but the company's name has "Switzerland" in it.
 
ouch
.io is only $32.88 US per year
 
Here's a tip: pretty much any two-letter name + TLD has been taken.
"only"
I don't have a job (yet). :P
 
i know
uh, i don't know
but .cg is so expensive for some reason
 
I want a .foo domain
 
8:38 AM
like google? bar.foo
 
yeah
I want kung.foo specifically
 
I wonder how expensive that one is.
 
They don't sell it
I put it on backorder
I love those ones that use the tld in the name
 
9:03 AM
That moment you remember there's no regexes in the language you use to golf...
 
solution: use retina :D
 
@somebody That moment you remember your language is a regex x)
 
hum, this capture string is ugly "("..("."):rep(i)..")(.-)%1"
 
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Q: Enhanced Builder Pattern, verified at compile time

OlivierBlanvillainCan you design a Builder Pattern verified at compile time ? Given a class: public class Human { private final String name; private final Int age; private final Double money; public Human(String name, Int age, Double money) { this.name = name; this.age = name; this.money = n...

 
9:20 AM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

somebodySeriously, Golfscript, CJam, or Pyth? Part II Your goal is to make two or more Seriously, Golfscript, CJam or Pyth programs as similar as possible. Scoring Answers will be scored based on Levenshtein distance, which is the least number of edits (insertions, deletions and substitutions only) ne...

 
^- worst challenge ever
 
9:45 AM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

CJ DennisImplement floating-point square-root with integer addition, subtraction and bit-shifts only Someone has broken your favourite language! Almost all arithmetic functions are now unusable. You've been left with integer addition, subtraction, bit-shifts (both left and right) and bitwise operators (A...

 
if the userscript doesn't have an option to hide deleted answers from high-rep users yet, someone should do that
 
@Sp3000 I'm liking your optional argument trick more and more. In a def, it lets you save two chars on initializing l=[]; as long as you're OK with tuples instead. And your use of it seems to have general applications like simulating itertools.product. Compare:
def f(n,k,l=[]):n and[f(n-1,k,[b]+l)for b in range(k)]or print(l)
def f(n,k,*l):n and[f(n-1,k,b,*l)for b in range(k)]or print(l)
 

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