The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

22:00

The last political news I heard out of Australia was the PM getting ousted and Turnbull becoming the new PM

TimmyD

@AlexA. The vast majority of my news comes from NPR and Minnesota Public Radio ... that and Last Week Tonight

Alex A.

@TimmyD NPR is the shit, broseph.

Sp3000

@Mego That's the last I've heard and I live here. Australian politics is just a mess, I've stopped paying attention...

Calvin's Hobbies

I have none of these things in my kitchen - bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/03/…

Good thing I'm not British

Quill

0

A: New close reason for outside programming challenges

Sounds good That sounds good, as long as you're meeting Code Review's on-topic rules: Is code included directly in my question? Am I an owner or maintainer of the code? Is it actual code from a project rather than pseudo-code or example code? Do I want the code to be good code? ...

@Sp3000 this

Anonymous

22:03

@Calvin'sHobbies I have a washing machine in the utility closet which is connected to the kitchen (along with a drier), and a tea strainer.

Sp3000

@Quill I don't have any statistics, but my concern was more whether a large enough percentage of such questions would actually make the cut for CR for it to be worth a close reason

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies I have a tea strainer.

I guess that means I'm officially British

Sp3000

Also sorry, copyright part was @Mego

Quill

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego idk if utility closet near kitchen counts, could just be space constraints

quartata

22:06

I was under the impression that Project Euler questions could not be reposted anywhere.

Alex A.

It's discouraged but not forbidden

I think

El'endia Starman

@quartata I took a look at their copyright page and they do not forbid it.

Anonymous

@quartata projecteuler.net/copyright

Anonymous

ninja'd

El'endia Starman

The general consensus among those who do and talk about the problems is definitely that it's discouraged.

Calvin's Hobbies

22:07

^

Anonymous

They encourage sharing the problems, based on that page

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman and we should respect that

Anonymous

(as long as it's not for commercial interest)

VoteToClose

@Quill I'm writing a code review question. >.> Any pointers on how to write it? hides from the rotten tomatoes

El'endia Starman

There used to be a little paragraph on the home page where they did say something like "We can't stop you from Googling the problems and their solutions, but if you do, you haven't really learned anything." And also "If you can't solve the problem, you can't solve it!"

Quill

22:08

@VoteToClose is it working, complete, non-hypothetical code?

Sp3000

@qua weird, I had the same impression - did they change it or did I recall incorrectly?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose Fresh tomatoes hurt more. throws fresh tomatoes

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman There's a significant difference between users saying "we don't want these problems shared" and a copyright information page saying "sure do what you want as long as you aren't profiting from it"

VoteToClose

@Quill Yes. It's a question on organization of a method.

Sp3000

@Quill Would love to, but about to arrive at work

Anonymous

22:09

The discouragement was always from the users, and about sharing solutions to the problems

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

♫ And we're not profiting from it, just wasting our lives here at the PPCG ♫

El'endia Starman

@Mego Especially solutions, and if we have a PE problem on PPCG, that's exactly what you get for answers.

(Well, not necessarily for the higher-numbered problems.)

Quill

@VoteToClose tag it correctly, and describe what your code does. make your title what your code does, not what you want out of a review. do these things, and you should be golden

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000 Likely that they changed it.

Quill

@El'endiaStarman not really, it's been that way for a while

Calvin's Hobbies

22:11

Do Brits (or Australians @Sp3) really like warm beer?

Quill

we just edit project-euler out

El'endia Starman

@Quill "A while" being 8 years?

Quill

or more particularly the tag is redirected

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman The official stance is that solutions can be shared, but it's encouraged to write your own solution so that you actually learn. The opinion of some PE users is that solutions shouldn't be shared at all, because it ruins the site. Those users are elitists, who think they're better than other users because they have more problems solved.

Quill

we usually make the result a spoiler

Sp3000

22:12

@cal Dunno, I don't drink

Quill

codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/project-euler

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Chat mini-challenge: Convert input to binary

El'endia Starman

Python: bin(input())

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Python 3.4.2 (v3.4.2:ab2c023a9432, Oct  6 2014, 22:15:05) [MSC v.1600 32 bit (In
tel)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> bin(input())
3
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: 'str' object cannot be interpreted as an integer
>>>

This isn't JavaScript...

Sp3000

Py2

VoteToClose

22:14

@Quill I'm referencing this method for code review.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Sp3000 oh

Sp3000

Also, B in some languages (eg Jelly)

Quill

ok, it's static, that should definitely be fine

El'endia Starman

@Mego Yeah. I personally don't want to see Project Euler problems on PPCG, but then again, I might be one of those elitists. :P In all seriousness, we can't do anything about solutions being posted elsewhere, but I'd rather not have PPCG be one of those places with public solutions.

VoteToClose

It references pretty much every other method in the package. >.>

El'endia Starman

22:15

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You said nothing about what input was. :P

Zizouz212

Help!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

HOW?

VoteToClose

Wat?

Zizouz212

I screwed up!

VoteToClose

When?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:15

NOOOOO

Zizouz212

Now!

VoteToClose

D:

Zizouz212

How do I undo?

El'endia Starman

Unscrew it!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

UNDO WHAT

VoteToClose

22:15

ctrl-z!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

CTRL-Z?

El'endia Starman

Like with a wrench or something.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

NINJA'D

VoteToClose

Ninja'd son.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

NINJAAAD

VoteToClose

22:15

FACK

El'endia Starman

@Zizouz212 Look what you've done.

Quill

How did the conversation descend to this so fast?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I may not get the first ninja, but I always get the second ninja.

Sp3000

@El'endiaStarman Ditto - some PE questions are fine, but a lot fall in the "once someone gets a smart algorithm we all copy it" territory

Zizouz212

Oh god.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:16

@Quill It happened about the time I joined.

Rainbolt

@Quill Ninja are fast

Calvin's Hobbies

@Quill Zuzoi or w/e has that effect

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I don't see the harm. A lot of the questions would make for good-quality challenges here, with some minimal editing.

Zizouz212

I've really screwed up now...

How do I undo, whatever fix the feed things?

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000 I'd be okay with the very lowest questions being on PPCG. If you can't solve those without Googling...well...

Zizouz212

22:17

Look at what I've done to my beloved chatroom...

The Bikeshed

General discussion for opensource.stackexchange.com. Confused ...

quartata

@Zizouz212 I think I know how to fix it

Zizouz212

Okay. I got this.

Geobits

There are a few challenges posted here already from other sites. In the past, the main sticking point has been the site/source license, not the fact that it's from elsewhere.

El'endia Starman

@Mego And especially if we do code-golf for the harder ones and edit the given input, the solutions obtained will actually not be valid because they'd take way too long for the full problem.

Geobits

For example:

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Q: Can Coderbyte challenges be posted here?

Recently the challenge Word with greatest repeat of letters was posted. The OP said that it was inspired by a question on Stack Overflow, in which the user sought assistance with a solution to a Coderbyte challenge (specifically Letter Count I). The challenge posed here amounts to a reproduction ...

Anonymous

22:19

@El'endiaStarman The one minute thing on PE is a guideline, not a hard rule. For the higher-numbered problems, we'd want to impose time limits, since it'd be harder to verify the code by hand.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I searched my .bash_history for the line with the highest ratio of special characters to regular alphanumeric characters, and the winner was: cat out.txt | grep -o "[[(].*[])][^)]]*$" ... I have no memory of this and no idea what I was trying to do, but I sure hope it worked.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego Sure but then we become another (fairly visible) place for people to "cheat" on PE problems. I'd say it's better to respect the desires of our fellow programming challenge site and not publicly solve their problems.

El'endia Starman

^

Alex A.

^

Quill

@AlexA. you make me sound like a community intermediary

Alex A.

22:21

Well you're the only Code Review ~~scum~~ super cool dude that regularly hangs out in here. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

We could probably still do PE 1 or 2 or something.

Everyone who wants to do PE has probably already done those :P

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies But PE doesn't care if you publically solve their problems. They only ask that you solve them rather than look them up. Besides, we're a knowledge trove, not a morality enforcer. If people want to cheat on PE problems, it's not our place to tell them no.

El'endia Starman

@Mego Regarding the one minute guideline, let's face it: there are very, very few code-golf solutions to problems in general (especially those higher-numbered ones on PE) that take time on the order of minutes. They're mostly either milliseconds or megazillion years.

VoteToClose

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Heyyy, I haven't seen any references to Bhaal in a long time.

Sp3000

@AlexA. <s>super cool ultimate member</s>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:22

@VoteToClose s/Bh/h

Quill

@AlexA. lion tamer

in The 2nd Monitor, 27 secs ago, by quartata

since I am crunchy and good with ketchup

tastes like a chocolate milkshake

only crunchy

SuperJedi224

Hi

Alex A.

@quartata What are you doing hanging out with Code Review?! >:O

quartata

We've been through this before

look at my room list

Geobits

That list is ridiculous.

Quill

22:24

@AlexA. He drops by to force his opinions down our throats

Roujo

@Quill All the more reason not to mess with dragon-like beings

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman And those megazillion year solutions where it's hard to verify the correctness is why I suggested time limits on higher-number PE problems on PPCG

Quill

@quartata for someone like yourself, I recommend using only the finest tools:

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El'endia Starman

@Mego I wasn't thinking time limits so much as lowering the input.

quartata

@Quill awsum thx

Anonymous

22:27

@El'endiaStarman That also works

El'endia Starman

For instance, I'm not totally sure, but I think a true code-golf solution to PE 50 would take a long, long time. So instead of 1,000,000 being the limit, set it to 10,000.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego They can't possibly enforce it, but it doesn't mean they don't care. Besides, if we allow PE then there are 500-odd decent challenges up for the taking. Challenge writing should be more difficult than "solve this PE problem with this IO format with this slight variation".

El'endia Starman

This has the benefit of being able to post PE problems without also allowing solutions to be posted. If they're truly golfed, chances are good they won't finish soon enough to be useful.

SuperJedi224

Do laptop trackpads have an equivalent to MOUSE3?

Alex A.

None that I've seen

Anonymous

22:31

I used to have a laptop where a two-finger tap was mouse3

El'endia Starman

Huh, PE500 seems like it might actually be doable for me.

That's a weird feeling. :P

Alex A.

@Mego That's right click on Mac :O

Quill

you can use a normal mouse with right click on a mac

El'endia Starman

Two-finger tap is mouse2 on my laptop.

Alex A.

@Quill I know. But you can also use a trackpad on which two-finger tap is right click.

Geobits

22:35

> Are you still a butterfly?
Yes .
> I see you've started capitalizing that now. Good job.
_UNK
> I take it all back.
_UNK
> Look here, butterfly. I don't want any sass out of you.
I ' m not sure if you ' re going to be a good way to do it .
> That sounded suspiciously like sass.
_UNK
> Uh huh, play innocent.
_UNK
> Seriously?
Yes .

El'endia Starman

And thanks to @SuperJedi224's question, now I know why I see those sidebar things (Windows 10) pop up when I brush dust off the touchpad - they're from three-finger and four-finger taps.

quartata

After 4 months I have finally been denied access into the Trashcan

woo hoo

in The Bikeshed, 1 min ago, by ArtOfCode

@quartata Access list reviewed. Sorry :) you're one of about 20 people I just denied access.

PhiNotPi

Why are there so many _UNKs?

quartata

@PhiNotPi Unknown token.

Alex A.

@quartata Why?

Geobits

22:36

Dunno. He wasn't throwing them earlier. Back to training.

quartata

@AlexA. Because apparently it contains messages from the Teacher's Lounge

SuperJedi224

@Mego Two-finger tap seems to be MOUSE2 for me. Which is weird because my trackpad also has buttons for MOUSE1 and MOUSE2 as well.

quartata

So they can't let non-mods in anymore

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 It's for convenience.

quartata

Guess I better enter our election when we graduate

PhiNotPi

22:37

Phi 4 Mod

quartata

I don't want to see "hey you invited me to trash hahahaha" anymore when I tidy up my rooms

Geobits

Phi Mod 4 or 4 Mod Phi?

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Are you going to run if/when we graduate?

13 secs ago, by Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Are you going to run if/when we graduate?

quartata

Probably not. I'll lose miserably so

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. Of course

Quill

22:38

Seeing as Graduation is nearby, best to make a candidate list now

quartata

I'm suspecting Peter, all the pro-tems and Phi will run

Quill

They'll probably only have one more place above the pro-tem size

Alex A.

They typically have 3 mod slots but we can request 4.

El'endia Starman

How many active mods are there now? Four, right?

Alex A.

Four active, yes.

PhiNotPi

22:39

I'll give you all virtual PhiMugs.

quartata

@AlexA. Only 3? Hrmph.

@PhiNotPi OOOH

yes I must have

Geobits

Welp, my vote has been bought.

El'endia Starman

@quartata 3 is/was typical.

quartata

That means probably Doorknob Martin Alex

El'endia Starman

Christianity.SE was quite unusual in that we had five pro-tems and five slots in the election.

quartata

22:40

Sorry Dennis but Alex will probably get the dank meme vote really easily

Quill

One of the Anime.SE candidates offered free cookies

literally sent them out too

Alex A.

@quartata I'm going to request four slots.

PhiNotPi

Make it 7

quartata

@AlexA. OK so Doorknob Martin Alex Dennis nothing changes

why can't they just keep the pro-tems and skip all this shit

Quill

@AlexA. CR got five, but we had to really push it (and we didn't have the q/day issue)

Alex A.

22:40

@quartata That's what I'm hoping for but we'll see.

@Quill I don't think we need 5.

PhiNotPi

;-;

Quill

@quartata because protems might want to step down and you guys might want someone else

El'endia Starman

@quartata Christianity.SE was also unusual in that every pro-tem ran and was re-elected.

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman According to Doorknob that's pretty common.

Quill

it's pretty common, yeah

El'endia Starman

22:42

And I'll correct what I said earlier: we started with five pro-tems, one stepped down, and the remaining four were re-elected. We had another election a year later, so now we have five mods.

From what I remember, that was unusual when it happened four years ago.

Quill

also you guys might find: elections.se helpful for stats

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. How can we tell which of you has done the mode "modding"?

SuperJedi224

Feb 5 at 13:45, by SuperJedi224

feature-request chat should onebox drawception drawing panels, so you can get the caption as a tooltip

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Mods can see it but regular users can't.

Spoiler alert, I've handled the most flags in the past month by a huge margin (and consistently have done so since I was appointed)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@SuperJedi224 Did you feature request it on Meta Stack Exchange?

Quill

I wonder how fast I can close that

SuperJedi224

22:49

Not yet, though I guess I could

Maltysen

@Quill why would you want to close that D:

quartata

@AlexA. Can you see who has raised the most flags in the past month?

Calvin's Hobbies

Any new graduation news I don't know about before I go bugging Grace note?

Alex A.

@quartata Mods can't raise flags and I don't know how you can get that info on regular users in an efficient manner

quartata

Actually wait I haven't raised any flags this month

@AlexA. I meant about regular users.

El'endia Starman

22:51

@quartata It's not collected into one stat like the number of flags handled.

Quill

5 mins ago, by Alex A.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Nope, but she said she'd get back to us once with information on our graduation once she's determined why the eligibility thing didn't flag us sooner.

So I'd wait for that rather than bugging her right away.

El'endia Starman

^

Calvin's Hobbies

idk, the squeaky wheel gets the grease

Alex A.

It's not like bugging will help them get to the root cause of the eligibility system issue sooner. :P

El'endia Starman

22:53

Or if you want it Biblically-based, the persistent widow gets her justice.

Quill

maybe you guys ought to just pin the news and look at the starboard

Alex A.

Do you have a particular post in mind?

quartata

Hm. I've just gone through the first ten pages of the "New Answers to Old Questions" and I am disappointed to announce that there is nothing invalid.

Damn you mods doing the work of the community for us

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Which verse is that? It sounds like "Better is it for a man to sit on the corner of a roof than to share a house with a quarrelsome wife."

Quill

I'd imagine Grace Note's I'm looking into it for a start

but additionally toward future messages

El'endia Starman

22:55

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's in the New Testament, actually. A parable spoken by Jesus. Lemme find it.

quartata

ooh ooh I found something

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Oh, huh. Thanks!

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That sounds incredibly sexist.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. What did you expect from a male-centric society? :/

Nathan Merrill

Let the chance of an event be min(A*N, 1), where N is the number of previous failures and A < 1. What is the average success rate?

quartata

22:56

I'm getting really sick of these rm -rf answers to make your language unusable

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Luke 18:1-8

Nathan Merrill

@quartata make the challenge cross-platform

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Sure it could, if it's a matter of showing them that we are truly interested in the explanation. Persistence pays off. People who don't ask don't get answers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman ooo thanks

El'endia Starman

22:57

@AlexA. What Conor said. This notion of sexism is very recent.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Okay, well my two cents is to just wait for news and trust that they'll get back to us as soon as they have the necessary information. You can take or leave those two cents.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

(To elaborate, the quote is from the old testament.)

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Pretty much that exactly. :P

@El'endiaStarman I know

SuperJedi224

@El'endiaStarman Let's switch to a different translation.

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 Very easy on that website.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:59

@SuperJedi224 what translation do you suggest?

Alex A.

Japanese

El'endia Starman

...

PhiNotPi

I've kinda been looking at my meta stats and comparing them to the other candidates, and I kinda don't have any.

El'endia Starman

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More Christianity-related stuff should go here ^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, right.

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