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Not that my heating bill is much anyway. Florida is nice like that during the winter. The summers, on the other hand...
British summer is too hot for me. Florida would likely kill me...
o.o British summers are cold.
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Q: Is duct tape an effective treatment for warts?

ChristianHealthTipsSource writes in Natural Ways to Put an End to Moles, Warts, Blackheads, Skin Tags and Age Spots: This is a scientifically proven method of warts removal. In one study, 61 patients with warts received either duct tape treatment or cryotherapy. After a period of two months, 85 perce...

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Q: Noob: Is it a function that can connect cells' contents of a board game ? (Java)

esQmoSorry for my English, I speak French. I'm new on programming in Java and I'm currently making a game similar to tic tac toe, with board and seeds but not having same rules. I need help on how I can connect (by drawing lines) the neart points (or seeds) of the same color so they can surround the ...

17:14
Would ^ be good for SO? They'd need to say what thay've tried, right?
Yea. It's not good as-is, but it could be with heavy editing and more clarity.
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Q: Noob: Is it a function to connect cells content? (Java)

esQmogame board with points (seeds) Sorry for my English, I speak French I'm new on programming (java) and I'm currently making a game similar to Tic Tac Toe with board and seed. I need help on how to connect the nearest point of the same color so they can surrounded by the opposite color. Step: c...

Well, at least no one pointed them here.
I have an idea for a : one with no structure
I feel like something similar has been done before: given a long list of random integers, reproduce as much of the list as possible.
Basically just mapping 50 random 32 bit integers to 1~50. Is it a stuupid idea?
17:18
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Q: Kolmogorov-mania

Marzio De BiasiThe Kolmogorov complexity of a string s is defined as the length of the shortest program P that outputs s. If the length of P is shorter than the length of s, then s is said to be compressible, otherwise s is incompressible. Most strings are incompressible ... Write the shortest program that out...

Actually, that is wrong.
Yeah, that's not actually random
That one had a hidden pattern.
There was one that didn't, though.
Anyone intrigued by self driving cars? It just occurred to me that if I ever have kids, they may never need to learn to drive O.o
I can't find it after a few minutes.
@Geobits Because of course Mathematica has a built-in for that ...
17:21
@Calvin'sHobbies That's a rather frightening thought. I never would have thought of driving as something that would become obsolete.
Surely they'd have to learn manual operation in case of some kind of failure in the self-driving system though.
@Calvin'sHobbies My car (VW) already is pretty "self-driving". You can essentially let go of steering, pedals and anything else (on the autobahn) and it will drive safely, adapt speed, steer, brake etc. It also parks itself (since the latest software-update even in any direction). That's spooky enough for me. :D
@Calvin'sHobbies ಠ_ಠ <-- surely you saw that coming
@AlexA. Without experience, they won't be nearly as good drivers.
I think the rules were that you had a byte-count limit, and had to print as many of the numbers in the list as possible.
I think self-driving cars shouldn't rely on humans as a backup, because we'll all be much worse at driving due to lack of practice.
17:23
@AlexA. I agree with Thomas. I'd rather they have no experience and sit on the side of the road waiting for AAA than think they know how to drive and cause a worse situation.
@TimmyD So driving would be a kind of specialty skill, then? Because if AAA is coming, surely someone needs to know how to drive.
@AlexA. Maybe, at least know how to stop it safely. But if in 20 years all the new cars on the market are autonomous taking over a cars controls may seem like a really weird idea
Of course the problem with self-driving cars are people who don't have self-driving cars
(manually) driving head-on toward self-driving cars will be a great game for teenagers.
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17:27
hello
@quartata You think? If road rules don't change, human drivers won't be affected much (unless people do what feersum said :P)
@Calvin'sHobbies They also may not resemble a "car" in any way whatsoever.
@Calvin'sHobbies I meant more that human drivers will do unpredictable things that a self-driving car can't predict
Yeah, but to be fair so will bikers/pedestrians
True
17:29
@Calvin'sHobbies you got your keyboard fixed?
@quartata That's already happening. (Basically) All self-driving car accidents are caused by incorrect human behavior.
@anOKsquirrel yes
@Calvin'sHobbies \:D/
@Calvin'sHobbies Physical movement such as bicycle riding and walking will be obsolete in the near future.
17:33
I'd guess construction crews and other types of workers will still need human driven cars. Imagine a mailman entering directions to every address on his route (though actually they can surely automate that)
Also, this was today:
> The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or NHTSA, has announced today that it will recognize Google’s self-driving car system as a legal driver. The announcement comes after Chris Urmson, the head of Google’s self-driving car project, petitioned that the government treat the initiative the same as it does normal driver cars.
Yeah, that's how I got intrigued :D
@AlexA. The AAA tow-truck (or whatever) could be self-driving, too. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that "I know how to drive a car" will be on par with "I know how to operate a backhoe" within 30 years. Sure, specialty situations and people will still know, but the vast majority of people don't know and don't care.
@TimmyD good analogy
@Calvin'sHobbies Hah, pseudo-ninja'd
17:37
@Calvin'sHobbies I imagine that machines could scan each address on the envelopes, determine where they need to go, load them onto the appropriate self-driving mail cars, give them a route that's most efficient, then send them on their way. The cars could be entirely unmanned; a robotic arm could just as easily extract mail from the outgoing box and enter mail into the appropriate slots. (Perhaps even more accurately than could a human, at least at some point.)
Hmm, how would car insurance work? If you get in an accident and aren't driving is the car company liable?
@TimmyD That's a very good analogy. I don't even know what a backhoe is, which I think is relevant in this case. :P
@AlexA. This is already done to some extent, although I'm not sure we can trust OCR enough to completely automate it :P
@quartata What's OCR?
@AlexA. A bulldozer with digger arm on the back (to be fair, not everyone uses a backhoe every day, but autocars would be used every day)
17:38
@AlexA. optical character recognition
Optical character recognition (optical character reader) (OCR) is the mechanical or electronic conversion of images of typed, handwritten or printed text into machine-encoded text. It is widely used as a form of data entry from printed paper data records, whether passport documents, invoices, bank statements, computerised receipts, business cards, mail, printouts of static-data, or any suitable documentation. It is a common method of digitising printed texts so that it can be electronically edited, searched, stored more compactly, displayed on-line, and used in machine processes such as machine...
Mail sorting has already been done automatically for a long time.
@Calvin'sHobbies Why would car insurance even be necessary if all cars are self-driving?
@feersum I ain't no mail man.
@quartata OIC(R)
@feersum Sure, but surely the mailman still checks the mail to see if it is the right address before stuffing in the mail box.
That check will be gone if the delivery is fully automated.
@quartata Sort of. I get my neighbors' mail on occasion. :P
There will probably be less errors from the computer, same as driving.
I often get envelopes that the mailman stuck into the wrong box.
17:41
@AlexA. Non-vehicle-on-vehicle accidents (property damage, roadway conditions, animals, etc.)
@TimmyD Hm yeah.
@quartata I believe the post office already uses OCR to read all but the worst written letter addresses (ninjad, etc)
I guess we'll have to see. I'd think OCR would make more mistakes than a human, but who knows. In 10-20 years I'm sure OCR technology will be a lot better.
2 mins ago, by quartata
@feersum Sure, but surely the mailman still checks the mail to see if it is the right address before stuffing in the mail box.
I hope you're right - they said that about AI, too ^_^'
But yeah mail sorting is done with OCR
I'm just saying that automating the delivery will take out one of the fail-safes
@Roujo :P
17:43
@quartata This is completely analogous to the argument that there should be no self-driving cars because the software can have bugs.
@AlexA. Well, some accidents are bound to happen, and the government will want someone to be liable
Manufacturer of the self-driving system? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Calvin'sHobbies hmm that's a good point
@AlexA. Probably right (for completely auto systems at least)
It depends on the accident. If it was caused by some sort of human intervention then I'd imagine the humans would be responsible
17:46
@AlexA. The exact programmer who committed the bug? Or the QA engineer that didn't catch it? Or management who pushed for earlier release?
I feel like some organization would absorb the cost, and that organization would have a contract with the manufacturer where they are only allowed X accidents per year.
I guess the company itself
@Roujo All, with punishment by public execution.
@AlexA. nope.avi
17:47
That's how radio towers work, but when a call drops it's not so lethal (usually)
I'm stressed enough by my job without my actual life being on the line =P
Just imagine, you're late for X one day and your self-driving car insists on downloading an update that takes 30 minutes.
@feersum Oh god
X being your kid's open heart surgery
@feersum I think Teslas already do this
17:48
Teslii?
23 secs ago, by Calvin's Hobbies
@feersum Oh god
@feersum Hopefully wifi and auto updates and stuff will be more prevalent by then
^^ This, but with the car talking.
@Roujo That would be if the singular were Teslus
I guess it'd be Teslae
17:48
@Zgarb hahaha
@AlexA. Teslæ! =D
@Roujo Just like it is now. My car insurance pays for the accident, and then they take their data back to Toyota or Ford or whomever and say "Look at this manufacturing defect. Fix it or we'll sic our lawyers on you." and then the insurance company gets money from the manufacturer.
@TimmyD True, true.
And then the manufacturer says "Look at this money we're losing!" and so raise the price of the cars.
And so I end up paying for it anyway.
17:50
This is all too high tech. We should just revert to good ol' horse and buggy.
Self-driving horse. ... wait
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@Calvin'sHobbies is it, or are you just Geobitsing?
@Doorknob Geobiting
That was a typo but I like it so I'll keep it
Know something weird? Ask google maps for driving directions from Seattle to New York, for example, which takes 43 hours, and it tells you about accidents and construction near NY, though they will probably be long gone before you get there.
@AlexA. geobite (v.)—to begin the process of eating the earth
17:52
@Doorknob Is that like kibitzing?
Surely there are always accidents and construction on NY.
There would be a corresponding word for "to finish eating the earth," but nobody's ever done it
@feersum Right, but the locations and delays change
Except in Seattle. Construction everywhere all the time.
That may sound like hyperbole but it's not far off.
@Doorknob Soon
17:53
@Doorknob That's because it's a big sandwich ...
@feersum It's just weird that it doesn't take the time to get there into account. Has same issue with traffic I believe. (I know it can't predict the future, just seems kinda weird.)
@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah, it should be "There has been traffic like this for the last 245 years, so there will probably be traffic when you get there even though I don't know that there will be. Just saying."
@Calvin'sHobbies There are so many What-Ifs? in map/geo-engineering, it can't do everything for you (after all, it's free).
@Calvin'sHobbies there's a (small) chance that you're already almost there and have saved the search for these particular directions instead of starting a new search from your current location.
@Roujo "New York? Surely you intend to go somewhere else. Recommended searches: ..."
17:57
@AlexA. I heard Montreal is nice this time of year.
@Roujo Bias
@AlexA. I literally heard it. That's objective. =P
xkcd.com/461 that onebox is big .-.
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@Roujo But things like traffic could be predicted. Like if you get directions for a normally 2h drive right as rush hour ends it may think that it will be 3h because of the current traffic that will be gone by the time you get to usually congested areas
@Roujo You heard yourself say it? :P
17:58
@MartinBüttner Good point
@Doorknob haha
@AlexA. That's an implementation detail. Stick to the interface. =P
ಠ_ಠ
@Calvin'sHobbies Agreed.
17:59
@quartata 0/10 IE icon not in trash
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@mınxomaτ What IE icon?
@mınxomaτ The IE icon was incinerated to leave no trace
You mean Opera?
as it should be
hahaha
@Doorknob I've had it on good authority. We graduate in that time or all swag deliveries are free.
@mınxomaτ took me a second to get that
"good" "authority"
@Calvin'sHobbies [citation-needed]
@VoteToClose ... no, that is not a good idea
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vim's source code is about 1GB in full
O.O
F*** that.
@Doorknob Some CM told me here and it was confirmed here and here.
18:04
Nevermind.
@Calvin'sHobbies there's only one thing that people use URL shorteners for
@Calvin'sHobbies It's like a weird rick roll. Nope, it's just a rickroll o-o
@Doorknob The message was over 500 chars otherwise
@Doorknob Is there a vim plugin that lets me run gedit inside it?
Waits for Doorknob to implode
yes, evim
kind of
18:06
Better yet, a vim plugin to run Windows in a virtual machine.
@VoteToClose What a strange doorknob
I just knew there was a good gif for that. ;D
I ' m not sure if I understand
18:08
More accurate to the doorknob thing:
@Doorknob NeoVim's is much smaller as they refactored much of the old, nasty Vim C code.
yep
282mb according to du
(including docs, etc.)
That's quite a difference. O_O
@VoteToClose Say, why aren't most trains self-driving?
@Calvin'sHobbies They mostly are, really.
18:10
@VoteToClose
I wonder, how much damage can an implosion do?
@VoteToClose Here you go
@Eridan Found that specific link already. ;D That is not the same karel.
Objects can be made more and more explosive, but I feel that an object of a given volume can only be ever so implosive.
Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing (or being squeezed in) on themselves. The opposite of explosion, implosion concentrates matter and energy. True implosion usually involves a difference between internal (lower) and external (higher) pressure, or inward and outward forces, that is so large that the structure collapses inward into itself, or into the space it occupied if it is not a completely solid object. Examples of implosion include a submarine being crushed from the outside by the hydrostatic pressure of the surrounding water, and the collapse of a massive star...
18:13
That looks as though someone decompiled the original and made their own version.
Is that a problem for you?
@Calvin'sHobbies I can confirm Roujo's comment - National Railways trains are mostly self-automated.
@PhiNotPi When the implosion makes the object reach critical mass, you can end up with quite a bit of damage.
@Eridan Kinda - but I found the original anyways, I had a backup in one of my many backup disks. Had to decompile my own source code, though.
I'll upload it to git in a second.
@Roujo I was thinking more classically: expanding air vs contracting air. Obviously an imploding nuclear weapon is something very different.
18:15
@PhiNotPi Oh. Right. =)
@VoteToClose Ok, thanks
Yeah, be warned though, I put a crap ton of work into that. There is a lot of Java in there. And it was when I was new to Java, so there's some interesting stuff (like workarounds for frame injecting).
@quartata Great, thanks, now I'm stuck on devhumor.
One obstacle to using Karel as a visualizer for a programming language is that floating point numbers are impossible
That's awkward
That browser recommendation: ebiennial.dos.ny.gov
18:23
> (This site does NOT support 3.0 or earlier)
IE3? O_o
@ETHproductions :D Someone in here mentioned that the other day
@ETHproductions A bit late to the party
@feersum I can't wait to see the Top Gear (or new Amazon prime thingy) episode where they get two autonomous cars and try fruitlessly to crash them together
18:25
google cars are getting closer to happening!
the SDS (self driving system) is now considered to be a driver
1 min ago, by mınxomaτ
@ETHproductions A bit late to the party
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Q: A small language deserves a small interpreter

Fricative MelonHere is a very simple language definition: A Variable is any string that does not contain ^, <, >, !, or ? The empty string is a valid variable identifier The value of every variable starts at 0. A Statement is one of (var is a Variable, P is a Program): var^ -> changes var to be equal to ...

@NathanMerrill Yeah! If you scroll up, there was a discussion about that just a few hours ago ^^
@NathanMerrill Yeah, what they said
18:29
user image
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@mınxomaτ This is weirdly relevant to my job
We have a bunch of datasets with the naming convention anal<study number>.
They're for analysis.
Analysis of Functions = Anal Fun
I first read anal<study member> and kept being slightly worried.
Tell me that was an anal101
Well, it's not how babby formed
18:32
But you poop from there! D:
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OOC quote of the day
I suppose that could qualify as a baby in the sense of a "food baby"...
Analysis = anal + lysis = butthole + to split
DDDDDD:
good god
18:35
@VoteToClose How does Visty manage floating point numbers?
@ETHproductions The beauty of Stack Overflow
@Eridan Lots and lots of Double objects.
I've said this before, but I once read an unreviewed cryptography article where the authors consistently used "analise" in place of "analyze".
18:38
Wow, this is getting almost nice:
> Self driving cars are now considered to be just like regular cars.
I don ' t know what I was thinking about
> Were you thinking about self driving cars?
no
> Were you thinking about butterflies?
yeah
> Butterflies are pretty interesting when you compare them to boring human lifecycles.
I don ' t think I ' m not sure what I did .
> Are you a butterfly?
Yes
> Watch out for Alex. I'm not sure exactly what magpies eat, but it might be butterflies.
I ' m not sure that ' s a good idea .
> You should talk to him about it, not me.
@AlexA. ...
@Dennis ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@VoteToClose That is, in fact, a lot of Java
18:39
What's perplexity at now?
@Geobits If I eat your bot it might make me catch the stupid
It's contagious, you see
@anOKsquirrel Good one
BTW, the stack representation in Vitsy is very similar to how you would implement it in karel.
@mınxomaτ I ' m not sure what you mean
18:40
@AlexA. How would we be able to diagnose that? Don't you need a better baseline?
: P
> : P
ftfy
@mınxomaτ Obviously a shade of grey
@anOKsquirrel Yeah, I ' m not sure what I was thinking about .
In karel, though, you'd have to update the frames to expand the width/length of the stack array.
We could create one chat bot for each user, based on that user's chat patterns, and then make a simulated 19th Byte room.
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18:41
@PhiNotPi yes please
I thought about something along those lines. I'm not sure we have enough data per user, though. It would be interesting to find out.
KOTH
@AlexA. Be careful - don't catch the _UNK!
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KOTH based on starring. Winner is the one with the most stars.
18:41
Observation: Writing a programming language is a lot more than just saying "if the character is this, do that"
@Roujo _ UNK
@Geobits -30?
@Roujo I don ' t think I ' m not sure what I did .
@Geobits What's the rate of change? (Is perplexity supposed to increase or decrease?)
@Eridan Query: have you seen my interpreter yet? xD
18:42
@Dennis +29ish
@VoteToClose How is this an observation
^ Excellent point.
@Calvin'sHobbies Lower is better. Rate of change slows as it gets closer to zero.
what is the bot's name?
18:43
_UNK?
That'd be great. :D
His name is Marky Markov.
yesterday, by Eridan
Obstacle 2: I don't know how to program
@anOKsquirrel I ' m afraid I can ' t let you know that.
@Geobits Oh, so that's who that guy is
18:43
@Calvin'sHobbies Perplexity is equal to 2^entropy, so a perplexity of 29 (very) roughly corresponds to making a random guess out of 29 options.
@Eridan o-o Seems problematic.
@AlexA. Yep. He's got enough rep to chat now, so I don't foresee any need to answer more questions with him.
Okay
@PhiNotPi Petition to call it "The Nineteenth Bot".
Any masochists in search of awful code:
18:45
@PhiNotPi Petition to call your bot PhiBotPi
This got sent to me so I could fix, I said no.
Thank God for fern flower. xD
anOKbot
I had lost all of kareli except for the .classes.
@RikerW Reminds me of that wonderful code @Seadrus was posting just yesterday
18:45
@RikerW You can call it loop unrolling and pretend to be clever.
Geobots
Roll out?
:I
Someone close voted the Q&A site question.
@anOKsquirrel My username used to be Geobot before Gears of War ruined it by using it, thus ensuring I would never be the first to claim it on a website/service.
This was a decade or so ago, though.
I voted to close this as Too Broad. Basically every answer to every question about improving the site that hasn't already been implemented is also on topic here (for example, see Alex's answer, which is pretty much a copy of this other narrower question). — Rainbolt 20 hours ago
18:49
@VoteToClose Says the person whose username is literally VoteToClose.
(replied for clarity)
We should have a chat room that is dedicated to only conversing through animated gifs.
The Nineteenth Byte++
Well at least they sync up.
@Roujo link?
How would a meta-interpreter question about Vitsy do?
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Q: Write a radix sort

Patrick RobertsGoal As the title suggests, write a radix sort function (either MSB or LSB is fine) that accepts two parameters: an array of values of any type (you can assume that they are all of the same type / class, etc.) a function (or function pointer, depending on your language) that takes a single par...

18:53
@Geobits Yeah. I wonder if that's system/browser dependent
That was the code, I was remembering the interpreter: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/27462659#27462659
What is he doing with his life?????
trolling???
Okay, flagging that as offensive if he posts.
That is just stupid in my opinion.
18:58
chat is dead
We can rebuild it.
We have the technology.
I'm trying, but he needs more training.

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