The Nineteenth Byte

mınxomaτ

16:02

@Dennis It is exactly the same, just a different way to write it. Wikipedia mentions that the / is an uncommon, yet alternative way to denote a "full-blown fraction". It also mentions that it appears in programming languages, but this is not by any means where this originates.

I guess if one was to be nit picky, we'd have to use a∕b instead of a/b :D

Sherlock9

16:21

Hm. Someone downvoted this answer

1

A: Find the syncopation

Python 3, 109 95 80 90 88 76 68 67 66 64 bytes Counts the number of qs and es and adds the index of the current q if the number of preceding es is odd. Edit: Now it prints a list of the indices of s that are q and have an odd number of es preceding them. Eight bytes saved thanks to Doorknob and...

mınxomaτ

So?

Sherlock9

Well, I was thinking if I posted about it here, whoever it was would say why

But I suppose that's neither here nor there

feersum

> +1
> 0

Dennis

@Sherlock9 That's... not going to happen. If somebody wants to let you know why he ~~downvoted~~ unupvoted your answer, he'll leave a comment.

5

Sherlock9

Duly noted

@feersum Ah. I can't see upvote/downvote counts yet, so I thought I got -10 from downvoting

Thanks

Dennis

16:25

Also, the vast majority of PPCG users never enter this chat room. :P

feersum

You can only get -2 from downvoting

Dennis

^ -10 is an unupvote, as you can see here: codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/47581/sherlock9?tab=reputation

Sherlock9

Again, duly noted

mınxomaτ

@Sherlock9 There's a userscript to do that.

quartata

@Sherlock9 You can't? You only need 750 rep..

Sherlock9

16:27

@ self: ಠ_ಠ

zyabin101

,ಠ_ಠ,

Sherlock9

I... welp, I didn't even try clicking on the vote count

,,ಠ_ಠ,, why

feersum

I used grep as the programming language on that question. Has anyone else done that?

zyabin101

@feersum You can't. You can only specify that as part of the standard library, so you should specify the Bourne shell as language.

Dennis

@feersum Probably. Grep is capable of addition and primality testing, so it satisfies our definition of programming language.

quartata

16:30

@zyabin101 grep isn't a coreutil I thought

Dennis

Wait, scratch that.

zyabin101

@Dennis How?!?!?! O_O

Dennis

How would you do addition is grep?

quartata

@zyabin101 Regex...

Regex can do primality testing

feersum

@Dennis grep . with unary I/O :P

quartata

16:32

Yeah, it can do addition if you use unary I/O.

zyabin101

@quartata But can it subtract?

Dennis

I guess... With -c, you even get decimal output, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

@zyabin101 Have you read our definition of programming language?

zyabin101

@Dennis Link me to it.

Here's my attempt to subtract: s/ / / options here... wait, that's division by 2.

Dennis

32

A: What are programming languages?

My previous answer was criticised for not drawing a line in a sand, so following some discussion on chat I propose a line. Executive Summary A purported programming language should be accepted as such if and only if it is capable of addition of natural numbers and primality testing of natural n...

quartata

Have we had a "find primitive roots of unity" challenge?

Dennis

16:34

@zyabin101 1. Grep cannot do replacements. 2. Subtraction is not required in the definition.

mınxomaτ

BTW: Here's the origin of the primality RegEx: montreal.pm.org/tech/neil_kandalgaonkar.shtml

quartata

You can do some crazy stuff with capture groups.

Dennis

@mınxomaτ That's not the origin. It contains a link to what might be the origin, but the link is dead.

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Maybe archive.org has a backup

Dennis

web.archive.org/web/20020511045910/http://www.mit.edu:8008/…

2

New Main Posts

16:49

0

Q: Inverse symbolic calculator

This challenge is based on the idea of Plouffle's Inverter. Write a program in any programming language that do the following stuff: It takes as input a non-negative rational number X written in decimal, for example 34.147425 It returns a mathematical expression using only: non-negative intege...

flawr

Is there a haskellian here?

Nathan Merrill

17:03

looking for a french horn player

flawr

why? I sat next to french horn players for hours.

Nathan Merrill

I have two questions for them

what's the typical range

and if I play a "C" on the french horn, is it a "C" on the piano?

feersum

These questions seem awfully googleable :P

mınxomaτ

^

Nathan Merrill

they are

but the problem is that there are so many varieties

Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ

17:06

@NathanMerrill music.stackexchange.com <-- this may help

Nathan Merrill

its hard to know which kind of instrument they are talking about

flawr

As far as I know it is about 3 octaves, but good players might have a greater range.

zyabin101

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Ninja'd me!

Nathan Merrill

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ I just joined their chat :P

flawr

Considering the notes: Difficult to answer, I am not sure whether there really is a 'natural' scale, because frenchhornists are usually used to transposing (reading) any key.

Why do you need to know? Are you composing music?=)

Nathan Merrill

17:09

nah, I'm making a "what's the fingering for this note" challenge

flawr

Use the trumpet then as an example=)

IIRC french horns are often tuned in F

Nathan Merrill

oh, I'm including the trumpet

that one was easy, as I play the trumpet

I'm doing trumpet, french horn, tuba, baritone, and bugle

flawr

Well then you should know these things better than I do^^

Sousaphone!

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Please pull new release of MATL from GitHub. I have removed three more functions in the online mode, for safety. Sorry that I didn't think of those initially. If you don't mind, I'll ping you again in a few days for another release with some new language features.

flawr

Hi @LuisMendo

Dennis

17:15

@LuisMendo Just pulled the update. Feel free to ping me whenever you need me to pull code. I don't mind at all.

@LuisMendo Btw, the link to the specs in your README.md is a 404. doc/ is missing from the URL.

Nathan Merrill

aha, I finally found a good source

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Thanks!! I just checked. Access to those functions is indeed blocked

@flawr Hellooo!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh hey people!

flawr

Hi Mr Dragon

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Hi Monsieur Reptile

flawr

17:20

How does the air taste today?

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Thanks! Corrected

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Less than optimal. Something must be done.

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ In what way less than optimal?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr It tastes too... dirty.

flawr

Let it snow?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:23

This would fix it, indeed.

flawr

Does aparently filter the air.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Fascinating!

Optimizer

17:47

Fatsinating

J Atkin

Mini-poll. FBLint good or bad idea?

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implement FBLint code-golf (FB, or Functional-Basic, as found here Interpret Functional-Basic) Task Implement a linting program for FB, similar to JSLint for javascript. TODO

New Sandboxed Posts

18:02

WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER?

17

LegionMammal978

Currently running my program that gets all words on dictionary.com

It's currently on the acco words

J Atkin

@NewSanboxPosts You shouldn't.

LegionMammal978

@JAtkin, you should define linting.

RikerW

@NewSandboxedPosts Because you used to get thanked...

J Atkin

Finding basic syntax errors, type mismatch, ect...

Anything that would throw an error in a proper implantation of FB should be caught in the linting (except division by zero).

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:10

@LegionMammal978 cool!

RikerW

@LegionMammal978 I can't see your profile icon...

Or is it a white square?

3

LegionMammal978

@RikerW Maybe, maybe not...

Hehehehehe...

RikerW

Don't be mean pls.

I can't see it even on your chat/PPCG account...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

0

A: Implement a Truth-Machine

Jolf 0 Bytes I found out what to do with the zero-byte program! I made a truth machine. 0 as input 1 as input

LegionMammal978

I uploaded the program here

You need to import the HTML Agility Pack and System.Xml for it to work

Optimizer

18:14

but I am not agile enough

to import the system...

J Atkin

@LegionMammal978 I just added some examples of error types.

quintopia

18:40

Fun fact: one of the most edited English Wikipedia entries of 2015 was "Geospatial summary of the High Peaks/Summits of the Juneau Ice Field". OBVIOUSLY.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:51

wat

@RikerW It's a white square.

Nathan Merrill

If there was a page listing all of the top starred posts, New Sandboxed Posts would have the most

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

that's probably a feature

New Main Posts

0

Q: Brass Fingerings

For this challenge, you need to print out the fingerings for various brass instruments. The notes an instrument can play (as well as their fingerings) are listed below: Cornet Baritone Trumpet Bugle French Horn Euphonium Tuba A#1 ...

code-golf music

flawr

19:13

Bach vs Symphony X

Nathan Merrill

19:24

the site is dead today :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

it is

SuperJedi224

Hello

Nathan Merrill

Hello

hi @El'endiaStarman

El'endia Starman

hey

flawr

Hello Mr Star.

El'endia Starman

19:31

hallo

flawr

How is twinkling going today?

El'endia Starman

It only just started. :P

At ~2:30 PM, no less.

...wait, that means I woke up almost exactly 12 hours after @Sherlock9. Ha!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

luckyy

El'endia Starman

....that was the shortest transcript between sleep and waking I've ever had to read.

flawr

Do you really always read the whole transcript?

El'endia Starman

19:39

Usually, yes.

Sometimes I don't get to it for a day or so, but I do usually read it.

flawr

Does anyone here know a good file manager for windows??

El'endia Starman

"good" in what sense? I use Explorer...

flawr

I've tried copying a bunch of films to an external harddrive and the copy process is just dying every f*cking time.

El'endia Starman

Does copying one film work?

flawr

It did at least.

For the first few

El'endia Starman

19:43

Does it fail on the same film every time?

flawr

No, I've tried multiple, it was able to copy some, but I see no pattern.

El'endia Starman

weird

Well, I don't know of any other file managers.

flawr

Do you use windows?

feersum

What filesystem is the hd?

El'endia Starman

yep

flawr

19:44

NTFS

El'endia Starman

I've never tried to copy multiple large files to an external hard drive, though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

try xcopy

feersum

I've tried to copy the entire C:\ drive to an external hard drive and had that not work, but that's kind of expected.

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That seems to be complicated as heck

mınxomaτ

@flawr Does your HDD have enough power? Some external HDDs die when accessed repeatedly when they're only getting power over USB:

Lembik

19:47

I am trying to understand this line of Java. good &= N/2 == Long.bitCount((y ^ (y >>> row)) & mask)

so I can translate it to python

first... what does >>> do?

El'endia Starman

I have used a tool in the past (Clonezilla) that copies the whole file system from one hard drive to another (any extra space has to be turned into a partition), but that's overkill.

quartata

Well >> is bitshift.

feersum

logical shift right IIRC

zyabin101

@Lembik BitShift right.

Lembik

thanks.. but what is >>> ?

flawr

19:47

@Lembik Unsigned right shift

quartata

@feersum I'm not sure Java has that...

Lemme see

feersum

>> is signed right shift (unless I'm backwards)

Java has both for sure.

flawr

@feersum you're forward.

@mınxomaτ It is an usb3 without additional power supply. (Using an usp3 port)

Lembik

aha.. "The value of n >>> s is n right-shifted s bit positions with zero-extension"

can you do that in python?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr Really?

xcopy location path

mınxomaτ

19:49

@flawr usp3? What if you try fedex4?

flawr

How do you use that for multiple files?

J Atkin

lol

46

A: <kbd> elements are way intrusive

I totally agreeI totally agreeI totally agreeI totally agreeI totally agree I totally agree You know, I totally agree. You see, on my posts I'm never intrusive, that's why I never use <kbd></kbd> Though I always wanted to make an unpressable button. And, ladies and gentlemen, the nothing-butt...

Lembik

hmm..

SuperJedi224

Are java's bitshifts wrapping or non-wrapping?

Lembik

@SuperJedi224 docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se8/html/jls-15.html#jls-15.19

that's all I know

which is not much :)

feersum

19:51

There is no builtin operator for bit rotation.

SuperJedi224

The JS version is apparently non-wrapping.

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 Bitshifts in general are equivalent to integer multiplication (left shift) and division (right shift) by two.

feersum

@El'endiaStarman This is false for >> in C/Java.

Lembik

I am just trying to translate codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/69524/9206 to python

with little luck so far :(

SuperJedi224

Golfical has builtins for both wrapping and non-wrapping versions.

El'endia Starman

19:53

@feersum How so? Signdedness?

...what a weird (non)word. Signdedness.

Lembik

@feersum it turns out my question contains an essential mathematical mystery within it :)

feersum

Because / always rounds towards zero.

El'endia Starman

Signedness? ...

feersum

@Lembik What do you mean?

Lembik

@feersum it seems no one knows anything about n/2 by n circulant matrices. For example no one knows if there are an infinite number of them or why 16 by 32 is not possible.

there are no oeis entries.. etc.

it's all just unknown :)

flawr

19:56

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ And now x-copy died...

feersum

@Lembik I don't understand the scoring on that question

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr XD

flawr

You know I'd be already watching the second film by now

ETHproductions

¡Hola!

Lembik

@feersum oh.. can I explain?

@feersum your score is just how many distinct matrices you find

feersum

19:57

You don't have to exhaustively search any particular n?

Lembik

@feersum no you can do what you like

@feersum I tried to give maximum flexibility

feersum

And all row/column permutations of the same matrix count for antoher point?

Lembik

@feersum only if they are still circulant

which they are unlikely to be

feersum

er I meant rotations

Lembik

@feersum yes! That's the point of the lyndon words idea.. but it didn't quite work for me..probably because I was being stupid

you are counting distinct matrices of course.. you don't get to count the same matrix twice

J Atkin

20:01

Regexs don't solve your problems: xkcd.com/1171 (totally random funny xkcd)

Lembik

If you can the the Lyndon words idea to work then I think you can explore n=36 and get more points

quartata

@JAtkin *(totally random completely wrong xkcd)

ftfy

Lembik

@feersum is it all clear now?

feersum

I think so

Lembik

great!

SuperJedi224

20:07

He has one problem only: perl

quartata

@SuperJedi224 What is it with you people and the Perl hate

Lembik

it's very odd! I mean PPCG and perl seem like natural bedfellows :)

you could even code in Perl 6 to make it even more obscure :)

quartata

@Lembik Now Perl 6 I can understand hating.

I don't like it myself.

Lembik

does it even exist?

quartata

But Perl in general is really good and does all sorts of things

@Lembik yes barely

Lembik

20:09

I mean I am reading the website

but as you say, it's not really real :)

quartata

It is, there are interpreters.

But they aren't "official"

Lembik

I am not sure you can love pyth and hate perl can you ? :)

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Is there any way to show the progress??

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Only from file to file

Lembik

the only thing I have against perl is the lack of perl answers to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/62095/… and codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/62426/…

that's frankly disgraceful!!

:)

@quartata where were you when I needed you!

flawr

20:12

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I do not understand, can you elaborate?

quartata

@Lembik You can love or hate anything. The question is can you have a rational reason for loving or hating something.

The answer in this case is yes since Pyth and Perl are very different

Good Perl is pretty, good Pyth manages to still be ugly

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr It shows you when a file is done copying, no?

Lembik

@quartata I gave you my rational explanation :) Is it really impossible to draw a point in a circle or move a sprite around the screen?

quartata

well you need tk obviously

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Well It has been copying for quite a while now, considering that the file is under 1gb and it is an usb3 connection=)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:15

@flawr huh

flawr

If it finishes, I think you should see the command line again, right?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yeah

ETHproductions

Dang GitHub, why you reject my sync :(

Oh, that's better :)

Dang RawGit, why you so slow :(

Oh, that's better :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I hate RawGit sometimes :P

ETHproductions

Dang Japt interpreter, why you not working :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:22

XD

ETHproductions

Hmm, it is working, just I must have changed something vital in a way that makes my program not work anymore

Which is likely, since I basically just rewrote one of the features from scratch

Oh, yep, I messed up the Array.prototype.m function

Bug fixed, commit pushed, now I just have to wait 5 minutes for RawGit to catch up :P

Whoa, that was fast :)

mınxomaτ

Oh look, a computerphile on code golf.

El'endia Starman

And no mention of PPCG, I've heard. :(

mınxomaτ

I wouldn't know. I really dislike computerphile in general (except that PostScript guy).

El'endia Starman

Heh. I stopped watching videos after the first few because I couldn't understand anyone.

Which is weird considering that I'm fine with Numberphile videos.

Luis Mendo

20:33

@ETHproductions For me it fails quite often. Refuses to apply commits. In some cases it works manually (from command console). Else I have to delete everything

mınxomaτ

I like some things Tom Scott does (he appears on {number,computer}phile sometimes). His talk at London Digital are always well prepared.

ETHproductions

wth?

String.prototype.q just stopped working for no reason at all

RikerW

lol

@ETHproductions heisenbug.

TanMath

-1

A: Pronoun operation

Unicorn! 6945 char/27393 bytes 🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄 🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄🦄...

El'endia Starman

@RikerW That's only if it's there when you're not looking and not there when you are.

RikerW

20:37

True.

ETHproductions

Instead of splitting the string into chars, it now wraps it in an array. Interesting, but not at all useful.

El'endia Starman

Thankfully, they've been quite rare for me.

TanMath

It is not funny?

feersum

I dislike Numberphile because one time my friend watched a video of it became convinced that there were 3 correct answers (-1, 0, and 1) to the sum of the series 1, -1, 1, -1, ... and got all pissed when I tried to explain that using that kind of bogus logic, you can "prove" that any integer is its sum.

TanMath

^

ETHproductions

20:39

Oh duh, I forgot a return

facepalm

TanMath

there is no sum!

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions Ah-ha, there is a reason. :P ;)

@TanMath There is...depending on how you define "sum".

ETHproductions

@ETHproductions for seemingly no reason

quartata

Cesàro summation

In mathematical analysis, Cesàro summation assigns values to some infinite sums that are not convergent in the usual sense, while coinciding with the standard sum if they are convergent. The Cesàro sum is defined as the limit of the arithmetic mean of the partial sums of the series. Cesàro summation is named for the Italian analyst Ernesto Cesàro (1859–1906). == DefinitionEdit == Let {an} be a sequence, and let be the kth partial sum of the series The series is called Cesàro summable, with Cesàro sum , if the average value of its partial sums tends to : In other words, the Cesàro sum of an...

iz gud

TanMath

^ well this is stupid....

feersum

20:41

^

Totally nonstandard definition of sum.

quartata

?

Well, yeah.

Hence "depending on how you define 'sum'"

feersum

Also depends on how you define "is".

quartata

Also depends on how you define "define"

ETHproductions

Also depends on how you define "depends"

quartata

What do I mean by what do I mean?

El'endia Starman

20:43

Axioms exist for a reason, guys.

RikerW

@feersum I understand that there is no sum, but I think 0 is good enough.

feersum

@RikerW 4 is better.

quartata

montypython.net/scripts/spectrum.php

relevant

RikerW

@feersum def random():return 4

ETHproductions

Aaaaaaaaaand RawGit goes back into "What commit?" mode :P

El'endia Starman

20:45

@quartata Those last few sentences were pretty mind-twisting. :P

> What do I mean by 'do' and what do I do by 'mean'?

quartata

> And what do I do by do by do and what do I mean by wasting your time like this?

RikerW

@quartata you mean that english is stupid.

ETHproductions

Hooray, Japt now works again! \o/

RikerW

Yay

:P

mınxomaτ

Do we have a bounty bot?

RikerW

20:48

Make another one pls.

:P

quartata

Yes.

Or at least we used to.

Yep we still do:

> Featured Questions - Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange posted by Newly Featured Questions

RikerW

Well, it seems to be broken.

Oh, okay.

nvm

mınxomaτ

Well, I offered a bounty. Go get it. It defaults to Dennis in 7 days.

Zgarb

Related: my bounty expires in 2 days. Go get it too.

feersum

Shortest answer?

yuck

Dennis

21:16

@TanMath In a code golf competition, what is the point of taking an answer in one language and apply an encoding for the sole purpose or making it longer? On top of that, you haven't attributed the answer you encoded, in violation of our terms of service.

quartata

what's this?

Doorknob

what's what?

SuperJedi224

Bye for now.

quartata

Just wondering what Dennis was talking about. I am on mobile which for whatever reason does not show what his message was replying to

Doorknob

.chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26887649#26887649

TanMath

21:26

@Dennis thanks for the downvote! I hope nobody else downvotes now because I am exactly 5 answer up votes from 1000!

quartata

...

4

GamrCorps

My mind is blown....

BASIC Programming Language in Minecraft

►

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No film today .... *sigh*

@GamrCorps Wanna see C++ in Minecraft.

mınxomaτ

21:42

Are there any research papers on efficient porting between tape- and stack based (implementations of) algorithms?

Dennis

@TanMath I'd appreciate it if you took this seriously. Answers that violate our terms of service are subject to removal.

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quartata

@mınxomaτ that would be interesting

GamrCorps

@flawr is that a thing??

flawr

I do not know, but I would be impressed!

GamrCorps

lol yeah

TanMath

21:47

@Dennis well then, what is the point of Unicorn? Are you saying all Unicorn answers are disqualified for code golf?

Optimizer

yes

Dennis

@TanMath I'm saying that all answers that contain code written by somebody else must contain proper attribution.

TanMath

@Dennis I attributed.

Optimizer

by the wiki of code-golf tag, answers must be trying to golf

you are trying opposite

quartata

@Tanmath no that is a gross sweeping generalization. Unicorn answers that are mere translations of others peoples work are bad

TanMath

21:49

Ok...So Unicorn = not allowed...

Dennis

Depending on the interpretation, Unicorn answers to code golf competitions might violate our competitiveness rule though.

quartata

lol ninjad

Optimizer

@Dennis super mega ninja'd?

TanMath

Well then, I will no longer answer in Unicorn...

Optimizer

answer in unicorn to non code-golf tag if u may

Dennis

21:51

I think a meta post about this would be worthwhile. I've thought about posting it for some time now.

TanMath

Ok...do you want to post it or should I post it?

quartata

Attribution or overly verbose esolangs?

Dennis

@TanMath It's not just about Unicorn. I'll post it tonight.

TanMath

Ok...go ahead.

@quartata overly verbose esolangs...

hahaha...so autocorrect says esolangs is Roland's...

rofl

Dennis

@quartata Direct translations to another language for the sole purpose of making the score worse. If a language is naturally verbose, great. But Unicorn can be "golfed" to ES6, as Unary can be "golfed" to BrainFuck.

quartata

21:54

I think a policy on languges that are translations of others would be good

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quartata

wow literally read your mind but still ninjad

TanMath

@Dennis but direct translations are fine? Like my Python answer to the same question?

Dennis

@TanMath That's perfectly OK. There's no one-to-one correspondence between Python and ES6.

TanMath

Ok...

Nathan Merrill

21:57

@Dennis I'm not sure exactly what your meta post will say, but I'm definitely in favor of allowing languages that have a 1 to 1 with a shorter language, but not in favor of using another person's submission, and then compiling it in your language

GamrCorps

^

Nathan Merrill

so, answers in Unicorn are completely valid

but I shouldn't unicornify another person's post

quartata

I think that should go without saying but evidently we need policies for common sense things now

Dennis

@TanMath No, you mentioned the ES6 language, but not the pre-existing ES6 answer.

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