The Nineteenth Byte

10:00 PM

Anyways I agree

@NathanMerrill I'll write it up tonight. IMHO Unary answers to a code golf competition violate the competitiveness clause in our help center.

TanMath

@Dennis really? I said "direct translation of ES6 answer"

Nvm, you are right...

Nathan Merrill

@Dennis yeah, I think I disagree with you on that. I'm all for the transition in "shortest answer in my specific lanauge"

so, if two users want to try and get the shortest Unicorn answer

quartata

@Dennis what about code bowling or popcons? They would be OK for that right?

Nathan Merrill

they can go and do that

Dennis

10:02 PM

@NathanMerrill But Unary is just a BF encoding. The shortest Unary answer corresponds to the shortest BF answer.

TanMath

fixed...

Dennis

@quartata Of course! They are competitive in those contests.

Nathan Merrill

@Dennis I'm not sure how unary works, but wouldn't changing certain characters in BF change the length of unary?

therefore, different equal-length BF answers could have different lengths in unary?

RikerW

Wow, only 2 pages of chat in 2 hours? That is sloow. :P

Nathan Merrill

yeah, I said that earlier :P

its a saturday

RikerW

10:08 PM

lol

It is so slow, I have mowed 3 lawns+weeded 2 more in this time.

I have no life on saturdays.

Nathan Merrill

does anybody?

quartata

sounds like a job which implies a life if you ask me

RikerW

IDK to both of you.

Now, to plant another peach tree...

feersum

Actually @RikerW is trying to earn credits in the latest social gaming craze Suburbiaville.

RikerW

@feersum Wat?

No, actually planting trees + yardwork.

:P

quartata

10:12 PM

why do you have multiple lawns

RikerW

Cause magic..

J Atkin

Off topic: Does this look like a good challenge idea?

RikerW

Actually front, back 1+2.

@JAtkin We are actually the off topic ones...

@JAtkin Well, sethbling can do that in minecraft...

BASIC Programming Language in Minecraft

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J Atkin

Well, I'm off your topic... So

RikerW

Attributted to @GamrCorps

flawr

10:14 PM

What fingers are your controlling your mouse with?

Dennis

@NathanMerrill Yes, in Unary, the length is the program. But the Unary translation of a BF program of n bytes will always be shorter than the translation of a program of n + 1 bytes.

RikerW

@flawr On trackpad right now so.... :P

bai to you, hai to peach. :P

TanMath

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A: Pronoun operation

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Downvote!

RikerW

Last though, wtf is wrong with strawpoll? I voted and almost 300 people agree????

flawr

@TanMath Please stop spamming!

RikerW

10:16 PM

@TanMath Dude, stop pls.

The next time I might end up flagging.

flawr

^

RikerW

Sorry mods, but I think that counts as spam.

@Dennis formal opinion?

flawr

@RikerW That is really strange, I just made that poll!

Doorknob

definitely not spam

RikerW

Okay.

Won't then.

Still, stop though @TanMath.

3

flawr

10:18 PM

^

RikerW

^

:P

TanMath

Sure!

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh, thanks dude.

@LegionMammal978 ಠ_ಠ

Dennis

@RikerW Spam means something else as far as SE is concerned, but it's certainly disruptive. Also, chat flags gets broadcast to the entire network.

RikerW

Okay.

Sorry mods.

Dennis

10:20 PM

No need to be sorry. You asked, we answered.

RikerW

Wow, still procrastinating. :P

I really do have no life.

flawr

@Dennis Is there a difference between the two types of flags you can submit, when clicking on the arrow to the left of each message?

"flag as spam/offensive" vs "flag for moderator" ?

RikerW

^^

mınxomaτ

Dennis

@flawr The first kind gets broadcast to 10k users, the second only to moderators.

RikerW

10:22 PM

My cat is actually doing that right now....

Now she is laying across my arms.

flawr

Say hello to her for me.

RikerW

My fingers are free though.

Nathan Merrill

@Dennis across the entire chat network?

RikerW

@flawr Stormy says hi back.

:P

Nathan Merrill

that's a huge amount of users that get notified at a flag

flawr

10:22 PM

stormy how cute=)

Dennis

@NathanMerrill Yes, all but SO and Meta SE, which have their own domain.

TanMath

^^

RikerW

Stormy Cat-Cat Shrodinger Wachtler.

flawr

Isn't this just overkill?

Nathan Merrill

what's the purpose?

RikerW

10:23 PM

bai now, to feed cat

Nathan Merrill

is it because most other chats are much less lively?

Dennis

@Dennis Also, deletion due to spam/offensive flags come with an automatic timed suspension. I think that's not true for mod flags.

flawr

Wanna try?

I'd volunteer.

TanMath

No!!

Nathan Merrill

only arqade and code review seems to be the other active chat networks (from rooms I've visited)

Dennis

10:24 PM

@flawr I don't like it at all, but that's how it is. Not all chat rooms as as blue as this one.

@flawr There ought to be 100 mods online right now that could act on the flag before I can. Not a good idea...

flawr

There should really be a flag that only affects members of the room.

feature-request

Dennis

I wish there was.

flawr

Do you think that proposal would have any chance?

quartata

@flawr status-deferred

Dennis

Probably not.

There's some discussion about it here:

294

Q: Toward a philosophy of Chat

TL;DR: The Problem This keeps happening in chat: Surprise at flags on vulgar messages. Language that would invariably get your comments deleted on the main site occasionally gets flagged and deleted in chat. Confusion reigns. Controversial topics leading to bickering and name-calling. Folks b...

Nathan Merrill

10:29 PM

I'd argue for a system that only notifies all mods and 10K users if there are less than, say, 10 users in a room

flawr

137

Q: Add escalation system to chat flags

The offensive/spam flags in chat are shown to every moderator from a parent site (on chat.stackexchange.com that is every SE 2.0 moderator, more than 200 right now) and 10k chat users as well. This is potentially far more users than a flag on an SE site itself is shown to. I don't think it is n...

feature-request chat flags

Nathan Merrill

oh, that's actually a better system

Dennis

Especially since it takes only one mod to act on the flag, the current system is kinda silly.

flawr

Yeah really.

Can you actually see some kind of flag history of the users?

Dennis

In chat? No.

Thomas Kwa

10:52 PM

Wow, that's from 2011. I'm surprised they haven't done something by now.

flawr

ressurect

Coloured peeps:

coloured colored chicks

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J Atkin

Are you normal? xkcd.com/242

Calvin's Hobbies

Pretty quiet in here..

Mini-challenge: Make Alex say "ಠ_ಠ".

flawr

LETS START SHOUTING THEN

@AlexA. Please say "ಠ_ಠ"

Calvin's Hobbies

@flawr standard loophole

flawr

11:07 PM

What

J Atkin

@AlexA. Please don't say "ಠ_ಠ"

Doorknob

... uhh Firefox just updated itself against my will >:(

Dennis

brb Editing Alex's last message.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis unfair loophole :P

Doorknob

@Dennis use of a language(/chat message) created before the challenge, disqualified :P

J Atkin

11:08 PM

^^^^ Reverse psychology

flawr

@Calvin'sHobbies Flag as loophole.

Dennis

But I'm, quite literally, making Alex say ಠ_ಠ.

El'endia Starman

Hey @AlexA., dogs suck.

^ that oughta do it.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Julia sucks too.

J Atkin

He's not here ;)

Dennis

11:10 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies That certainly managed to rattle all the chatters.

flawr

lool

J Atkin

Not me

flawr

illuminati-confirmed

New challenge: Make @ಠ_ಠ say "AlexA.".

Calvin's Hobbies

:26891211 How did you know we were talking about "ಠ_ಠ"? You were never actually pinged.

LegionMammal978

@RikerW What?

ಠ_ಠ

11:12 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies A "bot" looking for ಠ_ಠ

Calvin's Hobbies

Truly?

ಠ_ಠ

Pops up in my RSS reader=)

Doorknob

The astute observer can also make an educated guess as to whose sockpuppet ಠ_ಠ is, although I won't tell anyone myself :P

(and no, it's not Alex)

Dennis

^

ಠ_ಠ

Who is this Alex you are always talking about?

Calvin's Hobbies

11:17 PM

Your doom

ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

LegionMammal978

Mini-mini-challenge: Who can read this challenge and type in their username first?

Doorknob

Dorknoob... whoops

Calvin's Hobbies

Apostrophes are hard

flawr

11:19 PM

Learning Haskhell is a pain.

Why can't they make some readable error messages??????

El'endia Starman

Starman El'endia

wait

Doorknob

@LegionMammal978 the answer, apparently, is "nobody"

LegionMammal978

@flawr, it's because of how <REDACTED>. Why didn't you know already?

El'endia Starman

Man, if only we had someone with the username "Nobody"...

Doorknob

Nobody, Germany

150 1 6

function popularity-contest

Dennis

11:23 PM

@LegionMammal978 their username

El'endia Starman

...man, if only Nobody was in chat...

Doorknob

@Dennis wrong, it's in their username first?

flawr

@LegionMammal978 lol.

Thomas Kwa

@Doorknob Doorknob can

I win

El'endia Starman

All hail the Knob of Doors.

flawr

11:24 PM

*Knob of Door

LegionMammal978

@Doorknob You are c <REDACTED> ect! For your efforts, y <REDACTED> u win <REDACTED>!

El'endia Starman

Who redacts a single letter?

flawr

Why isn't Door pronounced the same way as Doom?

El'endia Starman

Other than LegionMammal978, that is.

Doorknob

@flawr because English is weird

LegionMammal978

11:25 PM

@El'endiaStarman <REDACTED> does...

flawr

Doomknob

El'endia Starman

@flawr Different etymology, probably.

Well, if you want to say doom like door, that'd be dom, and vice versa would be doer, or dur, but dur would be said differently.

LegionMammal978

<RED <REDACTED> D>

quartata

@Doorknob Maybe I am not very astute, but I cannot think of anyone who knows Octave here who is also silly enough to make a sockpuppet

El'endia Starman

> door (n.) - Middle English merger of Old English dor (neuter; plural doru) "large door, gate," and Old English duru (fem., plural dura) "door, gate, wicket;" both from Proto-Germanic *dur- (cognates: Old Saxon duru, Old Norse dyrr, Danish dør, Old Frisian dure, Old High German turi, German Tür).

quartata

11:28 PM

maybe flawr?

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman I would assume "dom" is pronounced /dɑːm/ (IPA)

"dome" would make more sense

Dennis

dom son

El'endia Starman

> doom (n.) - Old English dom "law, judgment, condemnation," from Proto-Germanic *domaz (cognates: Old Saxon and Old Frisian dom, Old Norse domr, Old High German tuom, Gothic doms "judgment, decree"), from PIE root *dhe- "to set, place, put, do" (cognates: Sanskrit dhaman- "law," Greek themis "law," Lithuanian dome "attention;" see factitious). A book of laws in Old English was a dombec. Modern sense of "fate, ruin, destruction" is c. 1600, from the finality of the Christian Judgment Day.

Doorknob

but then, English isn't phonetically unambiguous so you can't really do things like that

Nathan Merrill

@Doorknob when I used to develop for Selenium (browser automation) I had to set a bunch of flags so that firefox wouldn't try to update while I was running my code

El'endia Starman

11:29 PM

@Doorknob Yeah, you're right.

LegionMammal978

I was trying to say that <<<<<<<<REDACTED>EDACTED>DACTED>ACTED>CTED>TED>ED>D>

Oh well...

El'endia Starman

@LegionMammal978 This is a terrible method of redaction. :P

flawr

@LegionMammal978 So meta.

LegionMammal978

11:55 PM