The Nineteenth Byte

Calvin's Hobbies

03:00

Did something happen to the recent controversial attribution meta post? I can't seem to find it.

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies It's no longer featured, but it's at about -250 total score

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. But it wasn't even on the last page of questions sorted by votes

Alex A.

-248

Q: A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required

Update: January 15, 2016 Thank you for your candidness, patience and feedback. We're going to delay the implementation for now - we'll be back soon to open some more discussions. Important context for those arriving from reddit and slashdot links: The status quo is not "public domain", att...

Quill

lol, erry tim they do PSAs, they get flooded with DVs

Alex A.

> erry tim

@Quill Well yeah, when they propose nonsensical things like this, they're bound to get downvoted.

:P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

03:06

Why are there no robot assassins in this story? I was told there'd be robot assassins. What kind of half-rate dystopia doesn't have robot assassins? Are you gonna tell me that all the killer robot companies got sued out of existence and the future will have no roving killbots at all?! — Shog9 ♦ yesterday

Calvin's Hobbies

The sidebar widening went alright

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

There's one thing SE has done right considering major changes.

quartata

comments section on the mit thing is cancer

Alex A.

@quartata ikr

quartata

> code golf is just a joke site

flamewar mode activated

Alex A.

03:09

?

Was I not civil?

quartata

Did you reply to it? I did not see

Alex A.

@thegrinner As for Code Golf, that's just a joke site, right? — TylerH yesterday

@TylerH As a moderator on Code Golf, I can tell you that while we like to have fun, we are most certainly not a "joke site." We have some incredible solutions to intellectually stimulating problems. I invite you to join the community and see what we're all about. — Alex A. 6 hours ago

@AlexA. I already have an account there, I just haven't seen anything other than "What's the smallest way I can write this" with 50 different languages in the answers, usually with Brainfuck winning with something like @(&*)&@#$(*&@)(@$. — TylerH 22 mins ago

@TylerH The objective of a code golf competition is to solve the given task with the shortest code possible, so what you describe is pretty typical (though that isn't valid Brainfuck code :D). But I fail to see how solving a programming challenge with the shortest possible code constitutes a joke site. — Alex A. 5 mins ago

(FWIW he actually doesn't have an account here)

Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ

On the SE API. Our questions per minute shows up as zero :/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

People are just asses when it comes to talking about us ;_;

Alex A.

We're not well understood

quartata

03:12

i wish he would actually learn what bf is instead of spouting something so inne

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah I think it's really about cramming everything into an 8 bit latin/greek encoding, presumably so you can use greek letters for more crap in the maximally-terse code golf language while keeping actual 'file' length to a minimum. — pvg 2 days ago

@AlexA. You were a perfect gentlemen ^_^

quartata

fwiw that guy is probably not representative of what the se network thinks of us

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ well, even 10 questions per day is like 0.007 questions per minute

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh wonderful, thanks for telling me, that's good to know.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata This may be true, but it's happened before ^^^^^

Alex A.

03:14

@quartata No, but we aren't well understood by a lot of the network. Things like Stack Egg and code trolling really hurt.

Calvin's Hobbies

I guess the Area 51 goal has some James Bondy subtext

quartata

hm

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. blame-caching

Alex A.

uh... ok

Oh wait I get how that makes sense now

quartata

maybe when we get some of those community ads people will stop spouting inane bs and actually learn a bit about what we are

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

03:15

:D

quartata

i dont even know an esolang with greek letters

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

JOLF

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

sorry

Alex A.

@quartata APL, despite seeming esoteric to some, isn't an esolang, though it does use some Greek letters.

quartata

true

undergroundmonorail

i forgot se chat doesn't like ?1 at the end

Calvin's Hobbies

03:18

Sure it's not just lack of !?

!https://i.imgur.com/krExLOy.png?1

quartata

also i am still cringing at the bf comment. one look at the wikipedia article for bf would make it pretty clear it isnt a golfing lang nor does it use &

ah well dont feed the troll

undergroundmonorail

@Calvin'sHobbies i didn't even know you could do that

i just let it auto-onebox when it sees the file extension

Calvin's Hobbies

! in front of a url does magic

El'endia Starman

@quartata None of the characters he used are used in BF.

quartata

@undergroundmonorail ! forces oneboxing which is necessary sometimes

TanMath

03:20

5

Q: Parse RNA into codons

Introduction RNA is the less famous cousin of DNA. Its main purpose is to control the production of proteins in cells through a process called translation. In this challenge, your task is to implement a part of this process where the RNA is split into codons. This challenge is thematically rela...

code-golf string parsing

Calvin's Hobbies

!BOX

TanMath

can somebody help me write regex for finding the start and stop codons?

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata lies

undergroundmonorail

@TanMath you've got a space after in that can disappear

El'endia Starman

@TanMath What are they again?

undergroundmonorail

03:21

@TanMath also before zip

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman AUG for start and UGA, UAA, and UAG for stop...

Calvin's Hobbies

What am I reading? oh codons

El'endia Starman

@TanMath For the former AUG is all you need and for the latter, U[GA|AA|AG], though I'm pretty sure that can be golfed.

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman gracias!

undergroundmonorail

i'm really excited about the new panic! album but i'm too lazy to actually buy it oops

El'endia Starman

03:24

Just wait for it to be uploaded to YouTube. :P

TanMath

what are you panicking about? :p

undergroundmonorail

:P

Alex A.

Discos

5

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman worshipping YouTube in my Jon Skeet shrine

Me getting the wrath of Jon Skeet now

RikerW

@TanMath you can shorten ['UGA','UAA','UAG'] to ''UGAUAAUAG'

It still works the same.

TanMath

03:26

@RikerW no...

will it?

undergroundmonorail

I haven't actually even read the question but

wouldn't that give a false positive for like

GAU

TanMath

^

ninja'd

undergroundmonorail

did you know: the '!' in Panic! at the Disco was originally just part of the logo. it wasn't supposed to be part of the name and, in fact, their second album doesn't have it on the cover. people just liked it enough to keep using it and now it's part of the name

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW Or UGA0UAA0UAG

TanMath

@undergroundmonorail like I care

undergroundmonorail

03:30

:o

El'endia Starman

@TanMath You're not the only person in this chatroom.

I, for one, appreciate the factoid.

quartata

@AlexA. does Julia have eval(

TanMath

ok...

Alex A.

@quartata Yes, but it applies to Expr, not strings.

quartata

Hm.

Calvin's Hobbies

03:32

so how is eval(2+3) different from 2+3?

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies In Julia?

TanMath

^

Calvin's Hobbies

if eval("2+3") is invalid

yes

Alex A.

You can do eval(:(2 + 3)), which evaluates the Expr :(2 + 3).

TanMath

@Calvin'sHobbies maybe it would be better for situations like x*2+3 with x as a variable...

Alex A.

03:34

@Calvin'sHobbies It's valid but it doesn't do what you might think; it just returns the string.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. How would you eval an arbitrary user input (i.e. string) expression?

Alex A.

You can, however, parse an Expr out of a string using parse. So eval(parse("2+3")) would work.

@Calvin'sHobbies ^

Calvin's Hobbies

oh

TanMath

is julia on ideone?

Alex A.

No

R is though

TanMath

03:35

is there a way for me to run julia code online?

@AlexA. so???

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Stop cheating on Julia

Alex A.

@TanMath I'm just saying it's there.

@Calvin'sHobbies I've been so unfaithful.

TanMath

@AlexA. ok...

maybe i should learn mathematica and julia...

Alex A.

What for?

TanMath

golfing! and just because...

Alex A.

03:37

Julia's not particularly competitive for golfing, nor does it tend to get that many upvotes.

quartata

I would not recommend buying Mathematica just for code golf

Alex A.

^

Calvin's Hobbies

a pi is worth it

TanMath

mathematica is free anyway...

undergroundmonorail

uh

i disagree

quartata

03:38

No it is not

TanMath

mathematica=wolfram language and wolfram language is free...

Calvin's Hobbies

Where?

Alex A.

Isn't Mathematica the only interpreter for the Wolfram language?

TanMath

wolfram.com/cloud

@Calvin'sHobbies ^ here

@AlexA. yeah, something like that...

quartata

very limited though

Calvin's Hobbies

03:40

@AlexA. They have a console version on the rasberry pi. Pretty much the same, just no fancy image support and stuff. (Though don't quote me on this, I don't know much about mathematica in general)

TanMath

^

just 5 dollars... on raspberry pi zero...

Alex A.

Dyalog APL is also free on Raspberry Pi.

TanMath

@quartata really?

quartata

Oh yeah I forgot they have a free RPi version

Alex A.

(Though a student version is free anyway)

RikerW

03:41

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh, yeah. Thanks.

El'endia Starman

Which, honestly, kinda confuses me. Mathematica seems like quite a large program to have on a tiny computer.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW My pleasure!

RikerW

^^

quartata

Wait Dyalog APL is on the RPi?

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman My girlfriend's mom has one of the first versions of Mathematica on a floppy disk. XD

@quartata Yeah

RikerW

03:41

rofl

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. haha, nice

quartata

whoa that means I dont have to use ngn like a filthy pleb anymore

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman don't underestimate the power of Raspi

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Now that you mention it.. "Disk Space: 8.8 GB"

Alex A.

@quartata I just got a student version of Dyalog. If you fill out an application for a student license, they don't actually check whether you're a student.

Calvin's Hobbies

03:42

Pretty sure my micro sd is not filled with all that

El'endia Starman

> Mathematica is optimized for the latest operating systems and hardware, so you can use any system you want.

...isn't that a bit of contradiction in terms?

RikerW

@AlexA. rofl

Alex A.

@quartata Also ain't nothin' wrong with ngn/apl

quartata

@AlexA. lol wat

RikerW

Barely know what APL is...

TanMath

03:43

^

RikerW

lol

I know it is like uber-golfy, but nothing else/

Alex A.

@RikerW It's true, though I am technically a student.

TanMath

v

RikerW

Of what?

El'endia Starman

"Mathematica works great on new stuff, so you can use old ones too!"

Calvin's Hobbies

03:43

@RikerW it's a programming language

RikerW

Wrongness?

Alex A.

APL (programming language)

APL (named after the book A Programming Language) is a programming language developed in the 1960s by Kenneth E. Iverson. Its central datatype is the multidimensional array. It uses a large range of special graphic symbols to represent most operators, leading to very concise code. It has been an important influence on the development of concept modeling, spreadsheets, functional programming, and computer math packages. It has also inspired several other programming languages. It is still used today for certain applications. == History == The mathematical notation for manipulating arrays w...

RikerW

@Calvin'sHobbies Thank you, Captain Obvious.

@AlexA. I know that much...

quartata

they dont check at all? that seems problematic

TanMath

rofl

Alex A.

03:44

@RikerW I'm in an online master's program.

Applied statistics

RikerW

Okay.

Alex A.

@quartata Whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It means folks get Dyalog for free.

RikerW

BTW, i head something about a stack egg here earlier?

Elaborate?

TanMath

my predictive carrots are bad...

El'endia Starman

Yeah, it was an April Fool's joke.

RikerW

03:45

It sounds like an easter egg or something.

Oh, okay.

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman what is it?

RikerW

What was it though?

El'endia Starman

A playable mini-game in the browser.

undergroundmonorail

april fools on stack exchange, every site got a tamagotchi thing that represented an SE site

TanMath

TanMath'd

RikerW

03:46

Aww..

undergroundmonorail

you voted on what you wanted to do

some regulars here misunderstood the point of the game

TanMath

when was this again?

RikerW

So I missed it?

El'endia Starman

Turns out, it was possible to force other sites' StackEggs to reset...

undergroundmonorail

and tried to "win" by screwing up other sites'

@TanMath april 1-n

@RikerW yeah

RikerW

03:46

Aww.

El'endia Starman

It was last year.

RikerW

That sounds fun...

So it was basicaly intersite code trolling?

quartata

no it wasnt

undergroundmonorail

@undergroundmonorail where did that -n come from

TanMath

@undergroundmonorail which year, 2015?

undergroundmonorail

03:47

yeah

RikerW

v

El'endia Starman

@RikerW Mostly Code Golf vs Code Review.

quartata

not fun

RikerW

lol prediction worked.

@quartata Are you sure?

El'endia Starman

Most sites kept to themselves.

RikerW

03:47

Sounds like fun.

So what was the intended easter egg?

El'endia Starman

It was, a bit.

undergroundmonorail

just to play on your own site's stackegg

RikerW

What was the stackegg?

undergroundmonorail

the tamagatchi

Alex A.

@RikerW Code Golf made it not fun by "raiding" the other sites, i.e. going onto the other sites and voting to "restart" the site.

El'endia Starman

03:48

A playable mini-game that was like a mini version of the SE sites.

RikerW

@AlexA. Oh.

Alex A.

It was a network wide competition and we won by cheating.

RikerW

WTF?

TanMath

^

RikerW

Why did we do that?

Calvin's Hobbies

03:49

the code is out on github somewhere

undergroundmonorail

my understanding is that people here legitimately misunderstood the point, they weren't just trying to be jerks

El'endia Starman

^

undergroundmonorail

at the very least, that's what they said

RikerW

Okay.

v

ETHproductions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You can give it a shorter name if you like;)

undergroundmonorail

03:49

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@undergroundmonorail Yeah. We're very nice people!

Alex A.

Yeah, that ^^^^^

El'endia Starman

Yep, some CG people thought the point of the game was direct competition, including raids.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions Oh, I just forget the encoding ^_^

quartata

i wasnt around at ppcg then but i was a stalker at so/meta se and there was a big stink about it iirc

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

03:50

WTF IS WITH THE CARROTS IN HERE PEOPLE

(」゜ロ゜)」

RikerW

IDK.

quartata

hue hue

TanMath

what??

RikerW

Hey @AlexA.!

Why? :P

TanMath

why?

Alex A.

03:51

Because you're spamming carets.

El'endia Starman

@quartata Yep, I remember that.

TanMath

But the last one was funny!

Alex A.

None of them are funny.

undergroundmonorail

Weenie Man-The Countdown Kids

►

RikerW

v

^

TanMath

03:51

just delete the rubbish ones that didn't predict...

RikerW

^ agreed.

Calvin's Hobbies

can we get some celeries?

TanMath

no!

just carrots!

RikerW

@AlexA. permission for exponential caret growth?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Jolf now has an auto-assigning variable!

RikerW

03:52

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes.

TanMath

(and maybe some broccoli!)

quartata

or apples

undergroundmonorail

apparently peanut butter on celery is good but i'd rather have peanut butter on a spoon

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was expecting a rickroll...

quartata

fruit represnt

El'endia Starman

03:52

<- peanut butter cracker sandwiches! MMMMmmmm... ^_^

RikerW

(celeryman)

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman Oh man, I haven't had those in ages.

undergroundmonorail

i love peanut butter

phase

localhost.com

undergroundmonorail

i called my language pb but that's actually just a coincidence haha

quartata

03:53

peanut butter brush?

:p

undergroundmonorail

;p

Quill

holy shit I go for lunch, 277 new messages wtf

phase

@Quill this chat has a lot of those

El'endia Starman

@Quill This is one of the more active times...

ETHproductions

Wow, a computer keyboard is so much easier to use than the tablet one EDIT: fixed 156 typos (give or take 149)

undergroundmonorail

03:54

> lunch at 11 pm

El'endia Starman

> Wow, a compter keyborad is so muhc easeir to use than the tablte one

quartata

more importantly what did you have for lunch

undergroundmonorail

@ETHproductions and yet

Quill

> australia

El'endia Starman

I quoted the whole sentence because it was easier than quoting each individual misspelled word. :P

undergroundmonorail

03:55

> not a real place

quartata

@undergroundmonorail he is aussie

undergroundmonorail

@quartata common misconception there's actually no such thing

quartata

ninjad thanks shitty internet

Quill

@undergroundmonorail Australia's not real, it's only nightmare fuel

Alex A.

@quartata changes username to "shitty internet" for the purposes of capitalizing on this joke opportunity

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quartata

03:56

anyways seriously what did you have for lunch

Alex A.

@quartata Asking the important questions.

ETHproductions

Oooh, hello spidey runs away in terror

Calvin's Hobbies

Toastpoll: strawpoll.me/6550290

quartata

truly the most important question

lunch

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies 0, for I do not eat toast.

Alex A.

03:58

@Calvin'sHobbies Is this in one sitting or at once as in stacked on top of one another?

@El'endiaStarman Blasphemer

ETHproductions

I like my toast burnt to an imagination, thanks for asking

Quill

// map for multi-dimensional arrays
Array.prototype.mapMulti = function(fn) {
    var mainArray = [];
    for (var i = 0; i < this.length; i ++) {
        var result = this[i].newMap(fn);
        mainArray.push(result);
    }
    return mainArray;
};

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