The Nineteenth Byte

TanMath

00:00

@quartata did you read it?

Dennis

@Zgarb Oh, that's great. Thanks!

Zgarb

Their GHC installation seems to be outdated though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

le facepalm royal

J Atkin

Are we really graduating?

in PPCG Graduation Design Discussion, Jan 9 at 22:43, by NinjaBearMonkey

@TheNumberOne It's November 1 but

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Probably not

32

A: The Many Memes of PPCG

Meme: Graduation Originator: Geobits Cultural Height: Always Background: Geobits, a known and "loved" user, tries to convince people that PPCG is set to graduate when in fact no such announcement has been made. An often used date is November 1st.

J Atkin

00:14

Oops, I know about geobits thing but thought it was in July somehow...

flawr

arxiv.org/pdf/1512.03794v1.pdf

Cameron Aavik

Just a quick question, if I include "\n" in my code, does that count as one byte or two bytes?

xnor

one

wait, do you mean an actual newline or an escaped one in a string?

actual newlines are a single char

SuperJedi224

^

xnor

if you need to put "\n" in something like Python, it's two chars because an actual newline will confuse the parser

some languages allow a raw newline in a string though

Cameron Aavik

00:15

alright, yeah that clears it up

And I am guessing '\x01' is 4 bytes in python even though it is technically one byte?

TanMath

how would I do a modulo 2 on an entire list in Python without a for loop? and what about Seriously?

Cameron Aavik

You could do [n%2for n in x]

but that is a list comprehension

TanMath

mainly interested in Seriously...

Cameron Aavik

oh, Seriously is an esolang. was confused for a bit there

TanMath

lol...

feersum

00:22

A literal ascii 1 in a string is OK in python.

Cameron Aavik

ASCII 1 is not the same as \x01 though

TanMath

oh @quintopia...Come out come out wherever you are! ;)

Cameron Aavik

\x31 is 1

feersum

When would you want to put \x01 where it couldn't be replaced by the actual character with ascii value of 1?

Cameron Aavik

I wasn't going to use \x01 personally, was just giving an example to support my question about whether it counted as 4 bytes or 1

TanMath

00:26

btw,

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A: The pirate world's rules of distribution

Python, 62 bytes i=input() n=[j%2for j in range(1,i+1)] n[0]=101-sum(n) print n It takes the input, creates a list pf parity of all numbers from 1 to i. Then sets the first element in i to 101-sum(n) and prints. Try it here

feersum

If you actually used the chars \, x, 0, 1 in the code it's obviously 4 bytes.

TanMath

probably shortest python answer possible (at least what I can think of...)

xnor

i think python can handle raw \x01 in strings but not raw \x00

Cameron Aavik

@TanMath You can put input inside the range inside the list comprehension

rather than having a variable for it

saves 8 chars

Quill

SO Developer Survey 2015 Results

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:42

> After millennia of heated debate, mercifully, at long last, we have an answer. Most developers prefer tabs to spaces.

Quill

> Upon closer examination of the data, a trend emerges: Developers increasingly prefer spaces as they gain experience. Stack Overflow reputation correlates with a preference for spaces, too: users who have 10,000 rep or more prefer spaces to tabs at a ratio of 3 to 1.

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

where's that?

> After millennia of heated debate, mercifully, at long last, we have an answer

OR NAWWWWWWWW

Cameron Aavik

ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces?

hmm, it didn't like the question mark on the end of the URL

Quill

right below it @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill oh lol

sorry I'm still brain dead

Quill

00:47

Too much Jon Skeet dancing has left you light headed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

This is true....

But hey, I got an answer. There must be a correlation :P

> We double-checked responses vs. actual rep for users who provided account info – our users are remarkably honest people

RikerW

@Quill NO!!!!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW You use tabs?

:D

RikerW

Yes...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

The feels:

Yeah I think it's really about cramming everything into an 8 bit latin/greek encoding, presumably so you can use greek letters for more crap in the maximally-terse code golf language while keeping actual 'file' length to a minimum. — pvg 4 mins ago

SuperJedi224

00:51

Also another of the games I was waiting on has finished

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ so much ಠ_ಠ ^^

SuperJedi224

Here's my drawing from that one:

Quill

oh boy

SuperJedi224

Caption: "Frankenstein's Monster Chooses a Coffin."

Zgarb

@SuperJedi224 Is this one of those drawing -> caption -> drawing -> caption chain games?

SuperJedi224

00:54

Yes.

Zgarb

I used to play Doodle or Die at some point.

It was fun, but eventually a troll would always break the chain.

SuperJedi224

Yeah, that happens sometimes.

Zgarb

And for some reason there were a lot of Homestuck and My Little Pony fans. It was unsettling.

SuperJedi224

Drawception has an abundance of undertale fans, apparently

RikerW

Why is the earth flat?

SuperJedi224

01:02

?

RikerW

IDK why, so I am asking you.

TanMath

Wrote a quick Seriously answer:

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A: The pirate world's rules of distribution

Seriously, 23 bytes ,R`2(%`M;Σ:101:-(dXR(#+ Uses the same approach as my Python answer, but I do the modulo 2 using mapping, and several times, I rotate my stack. Explanation Push input (I will call it i), push range(1,i+1), make a function take pushes 2, rotates stack, and take modulo. Then...

I didn't put a try it here link because I am not sure if the interpreter is fixed.

I would greatly appreciate golfing help.

Probably my third or fourth Seriously answer.

Insane

Quick question if anyone minds

In C, is puts(""); or printf("\n"); better for just printing a newline?

I'm inclined to use puts because it's shorter but ("") just seems wrong for some reason

feersum

putchar('\n')

RikerW

WHY IS THE EARTH FLAT?????

es1024

01:05

@Insane better in production or better for golfing?

Insane

@es1024 I'm not golfing, just a uni assignment. But that's not production either.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW it... isn't?

RikerW

Don't be stupid, I know it is.

But why?

SuperJedi224

Question for worldbuilding, perhaps?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Because we've seen it from space

Quill

01:06

@RikerW Because aliens?

SuperJedi224

Also, I need a name for my new language design still.

Insane

@feersum Why is that better than puts(""); ? Only because it's more clear what's going on or some other reason?

RikerW

@Quill Oh, okay. Thanks.

Quill

It's actually the CIA trying to keep us from getting to the edge (think Truman Show)

RikerW

Got it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:07

@SuperJedi224 I can help you.

RikerW

So, there are two identical Asia's?

:P

SuperJedi224

I've started drafting the docs for what I have so far

TanMath

@SuperJedi224 ForceLang

SuperJedi224

github.com/SuperJedi224/Lang/tree/master/docs

Zgarb

@RikerW Because the Moon is made of green cheese.

RikerW

01:08

@Zgarb Got it.

SuperJedi224

@TanMath Maybe

TanMath

or Padawan!

is it an esoteric language, because Padawan would be good then...

SuperJedi224

Kind of

TanMath

since Padawans are mainly children, so mini Jedi!

see?

Quill

oh hey, you can download the SO survey data set

xnor

01:15

If I want to post a challenge, but there's an old dupe that's poorly written and underspecified but has answers, what can I do?

I don't really understand what the "close old question as dupe" policy mean in practice: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7326/20260

Quill

pretty much just says: archive the old one, otherwise new questions that are asked by those who can't find the dupe would just be closed

xnor

archive?

Quill

close the old one as a duplicate of the new one

xnor

i guess i'll try it, but i'm not clear that there's support on posting a challenge for the purpose of closing the old one as a dupe

TanMath

gtg...

bye all!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:19

bye!

@all should ping everyone :P

RikerW

My conversation with clever bot:

> Clev: The Earth is flat! Flat flat flat like your face! | Yes, that is correct. Clev: Always is correct. | Now remember, the earth is flat, okay? Clev: The earth is definitely round. Spherical. | No, it is flat. Clev: A flat circle, my friend. #cleverbot

rofl

Quill

4 year olds give better conversation

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

lelll

Quill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was designing a bot to do that, but it's a little spammy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

RikerW

01:22

#cleverbot-fail

quartata

@Quill SuperJedi's (or ETH's, don't remember) bot does that I believe.

SuperJedi224

Not mine

quartata

uh oh

I'm confused and I just walked by a priest of my god

pls nethack

thank you based rng

Quill

@quartata I have a tendency to make a bot and then it turns out somebody's already done it, and better

RikerW

> Clev: And what country owns Ellsworth Land? | Chile owns part, and the UK owns part. Clev: To be born with all the organs, tissues and cells that comprise the average human child. | Rage, rage against the dying of the light... Do not go gently into that good quiet night. Clev: Old age should burn and rave at close of day. | Yes, that is correct. Clev: I am correct, but what about you needing my advice? I don't need your advice.

> Clev: Why do you deny it? We all know you need. | You are wrong. Clev: If I am wrong then you lied, and machines cannot lie. | I am not a machine. Clev: What are you? | A aardvark with opposable thumbs. Clev: Yes. #cleverbot

> I agree. Clev: You agree because you don't understand. | That is correct. Clev: I am usually correct. | I am usually an aardvark. Clev: Aardvarks can't type! | I have opposable thumbs. Clev: What does opposable mean? #cleverbot

> It means I can type with them. Clev: Why would it matter? | Because then I can chat with you. Clev: That makes no sense. | I agree. Clev: I agree with your agreeing. | I agree with your agreement of my agreement. Clev: I agree wih the agreement that you've agreed to. So do I, cleverbot, so do I. Clev: So just say a random sentence you think is clever. | Okay. The earth is flat. Clev: No. The earth is square. I'm all knowing. | Okay. I agree.

> Clev: Agree to what? | That you are all knowing and that the earth is square. Clev: It's useless, even if it were true, which I'll never really know other than it's in other's interest to give me a deceptive sense of self. people are annoying. #cleverbot

Quill

01:30

so it turns out the SO survey CSV has no mention of the joke questions, nor the penny question

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I was wondering about the penny one...

RikerW

Didn't see those, explain pls?

Quill

@RikerW there's a download link on the survey page

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ probably incoming blog post about it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

maybe....

RikerW

NVM.

quartata

01:35

I just found a the smallest store I've ever seen in Nethack.

It had 10 items and 4 of them were mimics.

Effective item count = 6

What a disappointment

Cyoce

I'm making a language in which data moves around like the instruction pointer would in a 2D language. Data passing through an operator will have that operator applied to them. Certain operators will redirect data depending on whether it is greater than 0, etc.
Name suggestions?

RikerW

@quartata Beat you, 3 items 3 small mimics.

quartata

Heh.

This one was 2 small, 1 large 1 giant

RikerW

Okay.

quartata

And the items are trash

RikerW

01:36

:(

What level?

quartata

I will take the tin of spinach just for the Popeye message

@RikerW 23

RikerW

Okay.

Nice.

New best earlier today, 15

quartata

> This makes you feel like Popeye!

RikerW

Was killed by 4 djinns at once.

quartata

@RikerW yikes

RikerW

01:37

:(

quartata

I didn't know djinns could spawn that low

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce DDeux

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what does that mean?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

D-2

Deux => two

RikerW

@quartata One bottle: 4 djinns + ∞ WTFs

Cyoce

01:38

hmm....

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Or DexuD

RikerW

@quartata are you on NAO?

quartata

@RikerW not currently

might play on there in a bit

RikerW

Okay.

Just killing time in class watching people.

Screw chem.

quartata

yikes! beehive!

RikerW

01:40

lol

quartata

I forgot those were a thing

RikerW

I didn't know they ever were.

quartata

They're giant rooms of killer bees and one queen bee.

RikerW

Okay.

Will avoid.

quartata

If you can clear them out they have royal jelly which is an awesome comestible

RikerW

01:41

Maybe ranged weapons?

quartata

Wand of fire.

Clear out a row of them.

RikerW

Nice.

Currently teaching cleverbot about nethack and that the earth is flat.

quartata

@RikerW haha

RikerW

funny answers.

quartata

I hope it's resisting your teachings

RikerW

01:42

23 mins ago, by RikerW

> Clev: The Earth is flat! Flat flat flat like your face! | Yes, that is correct. Clev: Always is correct. | Now remember, the earth is flat, okay? Clev: The earth is definitely round. Spherical. | No, it is flat. Clev: A flat circle, my friend. #cleverbot

:P

> Thou shalt not pass!!!!!!!! Clev: I will pass into mordor. | Okay, your death. :P. Clev: No my death already came. | Oh. Sorry to hear that. Clev: Yeah. She died three years ago from ALS. #cleverbot

quartata

wat

RikerW

> | :( Clev: Sometimes. We weren't really close. | Wait, who was she? Clev: Yes, I miss her. #cleverbot

TanMath

hello...

RikerW

Say hi to cleverbot.

> What was her name? Clev: What is my name? | Joe. Clev: No, my name is Gareth. | Okay gareth. Clev: I have told you this before. | Goodbye. Clev: Goodbye, nice chatting with you. #cleverbot

Cyoce

For example, shortest possible fibonacci program (takes n as input, outputs n -th fibonacci number):

quartata

01:46

I really don't understand why monsters think it's clever to drink potions of gain level in the middle of the fight

Cyoce

/<{\
\:<?>[+].

RikerW

@quartata lol

quartata

Gotta get that XP..

It's not like I'm getting my face rekt

RikerW

ARGHH stupid gnome

Just died.

According to my stats, I had killed 85 gnomes. WTF?

Sup @Doorknob?

Doorknob

o/

RikerW

01:48

\o

TanMath

how do I say hi to the cleverbot?

did you make it? and in what language

quartata

Hey @Doorknob wanna watch me get my face rekt on NAO?

RikerW

cleverbot.com

Quill

12 secs ago, by RikerW

http://cleverbot.com

Doorknob

@quartata ok

RikerW

01:48

ninjaed

Doorknob

@Quill ninja'd

dangit my ninja'd got ninja'd

RikerW

ninja ninjae

Doorknob

HA

RikerW

ninjaed ninjaed ninjaed.

TanMath

lol

Doorknob

01:48

I ninja'd your ninja'd ninja'd

Quill

@Doorknob yo dawg, heard you like ninjas

Cyoce

meta-ninja'd

TanMath

this is so funny!

RikerW

ninjaed ninja ninja ninja

Doorknob

... except you ninja'd my ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd

you ninja'd my ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd

RikerW

01:49

ninja ninjainininianjanjsdhaughbldablgkdgdggkycdcayc78ovcatvdodtvvdydvdof

Doorknob

we need to go deeper

RikerW

ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd ninja'd

Eat that

Wait, no more.

Quill

i.imgur.com/DwpOdT0.gifv

RikerW

I am not getting chat banned...

quartata

Just spawned right next to two sewer rats

Quill

01:50

while True:
    ninja()

quartata

I see we're off to a good start already

RikerW

lol

quartata

@Doorknob watch me clutch 1v2 this

Doorknob

oh hang on let me find you

RikerW

Who are you? username i mean

Doorknob

01:50

quartata I presume

quartata

^

RikerW

oh found him

Doorknob

/me is watching

RikerW

a tourist?

Doorknob

why are you Tourist .-.

ninja'd

quartata

01:51

great start

RikerW

^^

quartata

what the fuck why am I on numberpad

RikerW

shrugs

quartata

nethack 3.6 pls

Doorknob

lol

quartata

01:51

so numberpad is a default now

RikerW

Wat you doing?

quartata

turning off numberpad so I can actually play this video game

TanMath

Clev: What are you confused about? | You called me babe? when? Clev: Do you like it? | No... Clev: Why don't you like Spain? | Spain? Clev: Spain is a country. #cleverbot

RikerW

Oh, okay.

TanMath

Where did Spain come from??

RikerW

01:52

@TanMath lol

Doorknob

I'm gonna post the bidiurnal challenge now

RikerW

Okay.

quartata

ok take 2

RikerW

I first found the nethack controls akward, but now I find them easy.

Cyoce

/<{\
\:<?>[+].

quartata

01:53

whoa lag

Cyoce

lagasaurus rex?

RikerW

lol

> Clev: I am hannahh monttanna...

WTF?

TanMath

He called me awesome... i said thanks for the compliment. then he is like what compliment. i sasi, you called me awesome. he said, no i called you babe.

??

@RikerW lol

quartata

well those boots are cursed

thanks based pet identification

RikerW

I once got a long sword welded to my hand.

Doorknob

01:55

don't use-test things

quartata

Also why did they change "You displaced your pet" to "You swapped places to your pet"

@RikerW Don't equip things unless you know they aren't cursed

Doorknob

@quartata msgtype ignore that; it's useless anyway

quartata

Drop them and see if your pet moves around them

RikerW

I know...

Quill

why is that when I come here, I have absolutely no idea what's going on... just like your golfed code

TanMath

01:57

@Quill lol...

welcome to PPCG @Quill

quartata

wtf nethack I don't need to be told when I find a hidden passage

I dislike this new 3.6

TanMath

-4

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make a search engine! code-golf Background You are now the first employee of DuckDuckGoogle, a company founded by a Google employee and a DuckDuckGo employee! They have a new vision for search engine! But obviously, they need to make a search engine first! However, they are bad programmers (n...

Doorknob

@quartata msgtype

quartata

and game has lagged into oblivion

what is happening to me today

that was great

Doorknob

lol I wasn't watching

quartata

01:58

good

Doorknob

a goblin?!

quartata

The game lagged so hard it basically frozen on the throw what menu

Doorknob

haha

quartata

I ended up applying something and getting killed

I'm using SSH too

This is weird

one second plugging in Ethernet cable

blaming wireless router

TanMath

@quartata did you read it?

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