The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

2:00 AM

That's better.

Trying this again

RikerW

Still a tourist?? :(

quartata

@RikerW I love tourist

RikerW

shrugs

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Q: Spoonerise words

Given two words, spoonerise them by switching their initial consonant clusters. Fewest bytes wins. plaster man -> master plan blushing crow -> crushing blow litigating more -> mitigating lore strong wrangler -> wrong strangler The consonants appearing before the first vowel (aeiou) are switche...

Quill

"/a|e|i|o|u/".match("plaster") // null

wtf

quartata

2:08 AM

@Quill null = no matches?

oh i see.

that's weird...

Quill

regex101.com/r/bC1bZ9/1

yeah

El'endia Starman

@FlagAsSpam Not quite. In theory, I know how to do it, but in practice, doing it in a simple Python script doesn't quite work the same as doing it within a web server process, so I haven't quite figured that out. It's literally the only thing I have left to do with the online interpreter.

@Quill /[a|e|i|o|u]/

Quill

ty

El'endia Starman

The way you have it matches when the whole string is a single vowel character.

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman it's [aeiou]

Quill

2:11 AM

"/[a|e|i|o|u]/".match("plaster") // null

Doorknob

what language is this?

Quill

JS, the language of gods

Doorknob

/[aeiou]/.match('plaster')

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Yeah, just realized that.

Doorknob

I answered in vim, which is surprisingly suited to this challenge

Quill

2:12 AM

"/[aeiou]/".match("plaster") // null

Doorknob

I saw a bunch of things flashing in my terminal thing

quartata

god damn rng

Doorknob

turns out @quartata died

@Quill what are those random quotes doing there

quartata

@Doorknob yeah was typing fast

El'endia Starman

Oh wait, JavaScript?

quartata

2:13 AM

dwarf was right next to staircase and took two darts like a champ

lmao why

Quill

@Doorknob VM463:2 Uncaught TypeError: /[aeiou]/.match is not a function(…)

you know.... a string

El'endia Starman

RegExp('[aeiou]').exec("plaster")

Doorknob

@Quill oh, it's 'plaster'.match(/[aeiou]/) probably

I haven't JS'd for a while

quartata

My dart throwing speed has reached O(1)

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman what... what is that

El'endia Starman

2:13 AM

I did regexes in JS recently...

quartata

I no longer check my inventory to see which one is darts

I just hit t-a-<direction>

Quill

@Doorknob i cri erry tim

Doorknob

@quartata f

quartata

I'm proud of how fast I've gotten

Cyoce

Doorknob

2:14 AM

f "fires" whatever's in your [q]uiver

quartata

@Doorknob ...

I did not know this.

It feels more satisfying the way I do it, at any rate.

Like I'm using vim or something.

Doorknob

hahaha

quartata

Just pound out that 300j

I'm not sure honestly what is the breaking point for when you start to get good at nethack.

Cyoce

/<{\
\:<?>[+].

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Wrote it wrong, actually. Fixed it after looking at my code.

quartata

2:15 AM

I seem to have not gotten any better since I first started.

When do you actually ascend

What does it take

Doorknob

@Quill btw if you want the index of the vowel, /[aeiou]/.exec('plaster').index would probably do it (haven't tried it though)

@quartata what does it take?

quartata

I don't know honestly.

Doorknob

What do you mean?

quartata

When is that point when you start actually improving.

I always seem to hit around lvl 10 and die immediately.

Quill

@Doorknob have another tear

Doorknob

2:16 AM

@quartata To what, usually?

quartata

Sometimes I get lucky.

@Doorknob Random junk.

Always something unlucky.

Very rarely do I get much farther than that.

Doorknob

@Quill you may also want to look into RegExp#test for more tears

@quartata such as...?

quartata

alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=quartata

ignore the prayer deaths

Doorknob

I was about to say...

also why do you eat rotten corpses

quartata

that usually meant I failed my "no pet deaths" conduct

Doorknob

2:18 AM

also why do you attack shopkeepers

quartata

@Doorknob because I failed my "no pet deaths" conduct and was lazy

Doorknob

#quit

quartata

That doesn't permanently quit, does it?

Doorknob

yes it does

quartata

Oh.

Doorknob

2:19 AM

anyway, if you wanna improve then keep going even when things don't go your way :P

Cyoce

Anyone know if Detour is taken as the name for a(n most likely esoteric) language?

quartata

trying again

this time closing chat because i think it might be causing my lag issues strangely

ballesta25

@Cyoce, not as far as I can tell

Cyoce

Okay, I just want to be really sure so I can avoid what happened last time

ballesta25

You duplicated a name before?

Cyoce

2:23 AM

Yeah

Ok, after a search I have determined that an answer with a language entitled "Detour" has not been posted

I'm going for it

$ git init!

quartata

that just happened

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

get git

quartata

I'm not even going to try to justify what I just did

I...

I think I'll play another game for a while.

Obviously it's been a... while... since I've played this.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I just did no hw.

Cyoce

the repo is up! Nothing in it yet, but it is ready to receive such program, much code!

Calvin's Hobbies

2:32 AM

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ The favorite question star isn't showing up in the userscript anymore for me, yellow or grey (using latest Chrome, userscript version 2.1.0)

3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

We'll give you stars to compensate.

Calvin's Hobbies

um ok

Another flockdraw type thing: cosketch.com/Rooms/sqnofhs More shapes but fewer colors

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies 100% less flash, so I can actually use it

Calvin's Hobbies

Actually it has way more features, like undos and pasting images

Doorknob

... it's probably better that you stick with flockdraw, considering my immediate reaction to being able to draw things :P

woah

Calvin's Hobbies

2:47 AM

oh god

RikerW

Yay Martin images!!!

:P

Calvin's Hobbies

I'm so sorry @MartinBüttner. I didn't expect this

Cyoce

<T>[+].
{/;<

Fibonacci (12 bytes)

TanMath

Please help me golf:

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A: Spoonerise words

Python 2, 364 bytes Please help me golf this! Anyway, at least I am the first Python answerer. And I hope I can beat Java, if there ever is a Java answer! i=raw_input().split() f=l='' for j in 'aeiou': if i[0].find(j)!=-1: if f: if f>i[0][0:i[0].find(j)]:f=i[0][0:i[0].find(j)];break els...

Is there a simpler way to do this in Python?

Cyoce

***Golferization: Incoming!***

Quill

2:51 AM

this is why we can't have nice things

quartata

Funny, I can't see the alex picture on my screen

Calvin's Hobbies

got overwritten by martins (or did it?)

Doorknob

@Quill clearly I closed the tab too early

RikerW

@Calvin'sHobbies I am working on my martin challenge, so I used the image...

:P

Doorknob

I can't believe it's not Büttner?

Cyoce

2:52 AM

@TanMath Is there a reason you need raw_input().split()? Could you just use input() and require the input be separated by commas?

TanMath

@Cyoce will that be allowed?

Calvin's Hobbies

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Cyoce

I don't see why not, as the spec says "given two words", not "given one phrase"

It does not seem unreasonable to me that two words can be inputted separately

anyway, here are some non-questionable improvements:

You should definitely be able to say I=i[0] then replace occurences of i[0] with I

TanMath

@Cyoce I guess...

Could I use regex to do this?

like what would the expression be?

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Q: Cops V. Robbers "What's the Language?"

Cops and Robbers "What's the language?" This is remake of this. The only difference is you can write any program. var QUESTION_ID=69394,OVERRIDE_USER=48922;function answersUrl(e){return"https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/"+QUESTION_ID+"/answers?page="+e+"&pagesize=100&order=desc&...

code-golf

Cyoce

2:57 AM

var newtext = text.replace(/i\[0\]/g, "I");

then manually type I=i[0] at the top of the for loop

i[0].find(j)!=-1: can be i[0].find(j)>-1:

Quill

If only I could figure out .apply ;-;

a[0]=a[0].replace(d,e);
b[0]=b[0].replace(e,d);

Cyoce

i[0]=i[0].replace(f,l) #before
i[1]=i[1].replace(l,f)

i[:1]=i[0].replace(f,l),i[1].replace(l,f) #after

Quill

except it's JS, and i[:1] isn't valid

Cyoce

I'm talking to @TanMath about his python answer

Quill

WAT Oomg

Cyoce

3:01 AM

Apparently both doing regex

@TanMath you can also remove the 0 in i[0:…]

PhiNotPi

Space Will F*** You Up

►

^ a great video, watch it to the end

RikerW

rofl

Quill

goddamn

quartata

No one has noticed the stealth mode martin yet

Calvin's Hobbies

There's a save image button I just realized, though I'm not sure it's saving the most recent one -> cosketch.com/Saved/pRBdsl8Q

quartata

3:05 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies I think this is the best one

Although the Martin on the bottom is a little covered up

GamrCorps

After reading through the nominations for best of PPCG, I cannot believe my eyes to see that Dennis hadn't posted a challenge before 2015....

RikerW

GO MARTIN IMAGES!!!!

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I can't believe it's not Büttner!!! This is an image of our wonderful moderator @MartinBüttner. This is also an image of the same person, or is it? Your task is to determine whether a inputted image is @MartinBüttner in disguise... The input may be taken in any form. You will compare the ...

@GamrCorps Woah...

Quill

@Calvin'sHobbies the saving messes up the order

it's better to screenshot

quartata

ok now it's just all martin pictures

RikerW

cosketch.com/Saved/p0EfWxcl

quartata

3:07 AM

what am i doing with my life

RikerW

IDK.

bai

quartata

GamrCorps

Oh my....

quartata

Also the stealth mode martin is still there

@GamrCorps It's best when you view the image at full size

Quill

playing tic tac toe in quartata's profile image omg

GamrCorps

3:08 AM

@quartata why did you every suggest that

Calvin's Hobbies

I'm so sorry @Martin! (and @AlexA. to a lesser extent)

Quill

but his luscious hat is just so amazing

quartata

@GamrCorps I am literally uncontrollably laughing right now. I hope I'm not disturbing the neighbors

Cyoce

@TanMath you there?

GamrCorps

@quartata lol

quartata

3:10 AM

I think the best part is Martin's eye just peeking out of the bottom

That was me

Also stealth mode martin in the upper right corner

Quill

17 mins ago, by Calvin's Hobbies

new profile picture material

quartata

<- star this if you think Martin should make that his new profile picture

8

It's just too damn good.

Calvin's Hobbies

<- don't star this if you think Martin won't listen

9

quartata

>inb4 passes I Can't Believe It's Not Buttner

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I can't believe it's not Büttner!!! This is an image of our wonderful moderator @MartinBüttner. This is also an image of the same person, or is it? Your task is to determine whether a inputted image is @MartinBüttner in disguise... The input may be taken in any form. You will compare the ...

TanMath

3:15 AM

@Cyoce sorry, I went to post the regex based answer...

i am back...lemme do the changes...

Cyoce

Wait

@TanMath I have compiled all changes here

I do however suggest testing them

TanMath

@Cyoce thanks!

Cyoce

@TanMath Please give edit credit :)

TanMath

@Cyoce oh..I certainly will! I always do...

I will write "Thanks so much to @Cyoce for helping me golf the code"...

Cyoce

K

TanMath

3:22 AM

@Cyoce edited...thanks again!

quartata

Trying to figure out how to add monsters to nethack

Cyoce

@TanMath no problem

quartata

Not going so well since despite the ample comments the thing still is incomprehensible piles of C preprocessor macros

Cyoce

@TanMath you spelled my name wrong.

ty ty

TanMath

@Cyoce fixed...

Cyoce

3:25 AM

Oh yeah

And since this is python 2, you can mix spaces and tabs for indentation

1 tab = 8 spaces

TanMath

So?

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Q: Compressed days of the week

Given an input of a list of days of the week, output the shortest sorted representation of the list. The format of the input is a string consisting of one or more of the two-character substrings Su (Sunday), Mo (Monday), Tu (etc.), We, Th, Fr, and Sa. The input may not necessarily be given in so...

code-golf

Cyoce

every other nested control structure can be reduced by changing 2 spaces into a tab character

El'endia Starman

@quartata Uh, what? Huh? I thought Nethack already had monsters...?

quartata

@El'endiaStarman Add more monsters obviously

TanMath

3:27 AM

@Cyoce but that would be more bytes!

El'endia Starman

@quartata Ah, right. Totally wasn't hard enough already.

GamrCorps

So stupid me decided to run this cjam program up to 100 trillion lines of pascals triangle. Lets see how long it takes!

El'endia Starman

@GamrCorps ...generate every one of 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 numbers?

GamrCorps

quite possibly

El'endia Starman

Here's a tip: calculate how much hard drive space that would take.

GamrCorps

3:30 AM

I dont want to know

Doorknob

> 5000000000000000000 gb

GamrCorps

lol

Doorknob

it would be that big if each number were exactly one byte

which is definitely not the case

orlp

it's been a long time since I played it

but listening to the OST I realize world of warcraft still has the best sound design I've ever seen in a game

by a long margin

El'endia Starman

Hmm. B -> MB -> GB -> TB -> PB -> EB...and I'm not sure if Google's data servers have exabytes of information.

PhiNotPi

3:32 AM

I've heard some of the OST, it's really good.

El'endia Starman

@GamrCorps: You're trying to calculate more data than Google, Facebook, and all the world's governments have combined.

GamrCorps

yep

TanMath

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A: Spoonerise words

Python, 129 bytes import re i=input() f=re.findall('[^aeiou]+',i[0])[0] l=re.findall('[^aeiou]+',i[1])[0] print i[0].replace(f,l),i[1].replace(l,f) This answer uses regex as most of them do. Try it here

GamrCorps

good luck to myself

darn it, the console crashed.

Quill

@El'endiaStarman they've passed exabytes of data around, but they don't store that much

El'endia Starman

3:35 AM

@Quill Ah-ha, okay. Just wasn't sure if it was peta or exa.

I think the next level is yottabyte?

Oh, no, it's zettabyte, then yottabyte.

ballesta25

Karl Marx Gave The Proletariat Eleven Zepplins, Yo

So yes, zettabyte, then yottabyte

El'endia Starman

Did you come up with that? :P

ballesta25

No, I saw it in xkcd

RikerW

@TanMath Can you pls stopping publicizing your posts so much?

@ballesta25 My source for everything...

ballesta25

'Sailor Moon's head exploded once' and 'Some men have explosive orgasms' both work for the Great Lakes from west to east (Paddle-to-the-Sea order).

El'endia Starman

3:42 AM

Ahh, its been a while since I saw that one.

ballesta25

That's the one I actually use from those.

TanMath

@RikerW what is wrong with it? I do not mind if somebody else publicizes his posts...

Now I cannot post my sandbox post...

RikerW

Because other people mind...

It is like you are greedy for rep.

El'endia Starman

@ballesta25 Haha, cool. I just remember them directly. I just missed zetta... this time...

Cyoce

@TanMath No, a tab character is one byte

ballesta25

3:45 AM

I probably should have asked while Martin was around, but do you guys have any suggestions for designing a first programming language?

Cyoce

make it simple

ballesta25

E.g., should I start with an esolang?

El'endia Starman

@ballesta25 What do you want to do with it?

Cyoce

yeah

make it stack based

Each character does something to the stack

Then you don't need to worry about any complicated language patterns, just to get a hang of actually interpreting a language

plus you can then use it for golfing

ballesta25

I've been thinking I want something that allows 'sub-word' morphemes, which would mean multiple chars per word, but I was thinking stack-based.

Cyoce

3:47 AM

yeah

you can have ways of grouping characters that aren't complicated

El'endia Starman

@ballesta25 How do you mean?

ballesta25

Like how in lisp cadr, caddaddddar, and so on mean something specific

but they are implemented separately

El'endia Starman

ah, okay

Cyoce

you could separate commands with spaces or newlines, allowing any number of characters per command

ballesta25

I want to be able to express things like "println means print and add a newline" and have fwriteln mean fwrite including a newline

Cyoce

3:49 AM

Is that defined by the language or are those definable by the PROGRAMMER?

ballesta25

definable by the user

Cyoce

so like an alias

ballesta25

I'm thinking sort of macro-like

Cyoce

the syntax could be

El'endia Starman

That sounds quite lisp-like. So a lisp-styled stack-based language...that oughta be interesting.

ballesta25

3:50 AM

I guess I'm not sure how lisp macros work; I may have just re-invented them 60 years later

Cyoce

macro someMacroName {macroCode;moreMacroCode}

That shouldn't be too hard to parse

You can replace the braces with brackets or parens or whatever you think looks nice

Or you could use quotes if you don't want to worry about nesting

ballesta25

I might go for Forth/Factor syntax where it's whitespace to separate all tokens.

Cyoce

4 mins ago, by Cyoce

you could separate commands with spaces or newlines, allowing any number of characters per command

ballesta25

( Although it looks weird to have to leave space on the inside of parens ( like this ) )

El'endia Starman

Consider what you're going to do with strings with spaces inside them.

ballesta25

3:54 AM

Yeah, I suppose there should be an exception for "strings go until the closing quote" (with some escaping rules).

RikerW

Would a NAO user kindly advise me on how to get off the friggin' numpad controls?

ballesta25

Wait, you have numpad controls in NAO?

RikerW

Yes..

Cyoce

sourceCode = sourceCode.replace(/\(\w/g,"( $&").replace(/\w\)/g,"$& )");

ballesta25

I'd been using local since I couldn't get numpad to work...

RikerW

3:55 AM

I hate numpad controls cause I ain't got no numpad.

So I can only move with the numbers on the top of the keyboard...

ARGHH...

Doorknob

@RikerW hit o from the main menu

RikerW

Thanks.

ballesta25

I always make sure I have a numpad.

Doorknob

nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options

ballesta25

Which is why my laptop is so huge and heavy, but oh, well.

Cyoce

3:56 AM

I just keep my laptop in a backpack with my real keyboard

RikerW

Thanks @Doorknob, fixed now.

Calvin's Hobbies

it's freezing in here

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Nah, that takes seven days of no non-feed messages.

Calvin's Hobbies

it's cold in your heart

El'endia Starman

What heart?

Calvin's Hobbies

4:12 AM

the Christian one

@El'endiaStarman I so want to see if this chatroom will still be strong when I'm 90

Doorknob

Who knows what'll happen to Stack Exchange itself in that time? Stack Overflow has only even existed since 2008.

El'endia Starman

Facebook and Google aren't that much older...

Doorknob

Who knows what'll happen to them? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@DigitalTrauma surpassed me on the all time leaderboards yet again. This is an intense race :P

Calvin's Hobbies

Future of SE and PPCG poll: strawpoll.me/6531890

Doorknob

How could anyone not vote for the last option? ;)

Calvin's Hobbies

4:25 AM

It's what you think, not what you wish :P

TanMath

4:35 AM

@Cyoce so how would I use the tabs?

did @Mego come here today?

El'endia Starman

Picked the last one for the hilarity.

Remember, we must keep our plans secret until they are ripe...

Calvin's Hobbies

I call Hawaii

quartata

@ballesta25 just so you know there is already a LISP golfing language called Arcyou. It is prefix however

I would get you a link but cannot find it

feersum

I don't see an option for 'Apocalypse shatters our modern world, but SE hangs on, and takes advantage of the new business opportunities by launching Hunting & Gathering SE'.

TanMath

Can I like write a README file on Github using SE Markdown? Are the two markdowns similar enough?

@feersum who would use it when most people are dead...

feersum

4:45 AM

@TanMath People who are still alive.

Calvin's Hobbies

@feersum Maybe that's tied into the last option

TanMath

@feersum but not all of them would know about SE. There are a lot of weird people (like those who do not know what SE is) out there!

Calvin's Hobbies

5:02 AM

SE isn't even on the list of SE's

Cyoce

@TanMath Just press tab in a code editor. In the post, however, type \t instead, then explain that \t means tab character.

Digital Trauma

@Doorknob this one has been rep-capping me for the past couple of days. Beyond that I'm not sure if I can keep up

TanMath

5:22 AM

@Cyoce so what is the point of using the tab? Like where can I use it?

Zach Gates

How could I convey the idea of using as few different characters as possible?

"Use as few distinct characters as possible"?

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates If this is for a challenge, I think this has already been done.

And won by Lenguage or Unary.

Zach Gates

It's part of a challenge. Certainly not the entire thing

El'endia Starman

Alright, that said, the way you phrased it is just fine, I think.

Zach Gates

Alright, thank you

Calvin's Hobbies

5:37 AM

@TanMath In place of indentation using spaces

Cyoce

1 tab = 8 spaces

Calvin's Hobbies

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A: Tips for golfing in Python

Sometimes your Python code requires you to have 2 levels of indentation. The obvious thing to do is use one and two spaces for each indentation level. However, Python considers the tab and space characters to be different indenting levels. This means the first indentation level can be one space...

Zach Gates

@Cyoce How do you figure that?

Cyoce

By testing

Dennis

o_O

Cyoce

5:40 AM

If you put 8 spaces on one line of an indented block and a tab on another line of the same block, you don't get an IndentationError

Zach Gates

58 secs ago, by Dennis

o_O

Calvin's Hobbies

@Cyoce Not really. Python (2 at least) allows variable space indentation.

Dennis

Python 2 is actually OK with that. Mind blown.

Calvin's Hobbies

e.g. these all work

def f():
\tdef g():
\t\tprint 6
\tg()

def f():
 def g():
  print 6
 g()

def f():
  def g():
    print 6
   g()

Dennis

def f():
	1
        2

Zach Gates

5:43 AM

There isn't a universal standard for tabs -> spaces

Calvin's Hobbies

@Cyoce Oh I see, you mean if you replace a whole run of spaces

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies This also works. Line 2 has a tab, line 3 has 8 spaces.

Calvin's Hobbies

yeah

Cyoce

@Dennis Yeah that's what I meant

Practical example:

for i in x:
 if y:
\tz()

here you have nested indentation without increasing bytecount for the second level

Zach Gates

In that case, a tab does not equal 8 spaces

Dennis

5:45 AM

@Cyoce I've known that for a long time. What I didn't know is that the tab acts like 8 spaces.

@ZachGates But it does.

This raises an indentation error:

def f():
 if True:
  if True:
   if True:
    if True:
     if True:
      if True:
       if True:
        if True:
	print True

(last line is tab)

This doesn't:

def f():
 if True:
  if True:
   if True:
    if True:
     if True:
      if True:
       if True:
	print True

TanMath

@Cyoce I see...that makes sense...

Hey @Sherlock9

@CameronAavik lemme introduce you to ideone.com

ideone is a free online interpreter for about 100 languages or so...including Python 3!

you go to the website, paste in your code, and put your input (if applicable), and then run! It runs the program for you! You can edit it afterwards and change the input and code. You can also fork code.

the usefulness of it over here is to show that the code works by including a working ideone link. Make life easier for your readers!

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