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9:00 PM
why don't languages support nesting of multiline comments XP
 
Lua does
 
@NathanMerrill I had to support that in Tiger for my compilers course back in college. It wasn't too difficult, but I think some language designers consider them superfluous.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TanMathDo-nothing Polyglot Challenge This challenge requires you to write a polyglot which contains as many types of comments possible. The comment must say This is a polyglot comment. The program must do nothing at all. Besides comments, your code may contain no-ops from the language(s) you are usi...

 
@TanMath Honestly, I have no idea what to say to that but I find it hard to believe. You complained that their answer was based on yours although it was significantly different. And now, looking at them side-by-side, your code is virtually identical to theirs, and you claim you came up with it independently, although you've only edited it in 30 minutes later.
 
Please tell me what you think...
@MartinBüttner If that was the case, how come I did not reduce it to 108 bytes?
 
9:07 PM
Because you forgot how they got the last four bytes.
 
@MartinBüttner so what if I edited 30 min later?
@ThomasKwa yeah...I just know that I was thinking of using .get(,) after hearing back from @AlexA. and boom! An answer using that was written
 
In cases where user intentions are relevant, its up to the moderators to be the judge, and we need to accept their decision, otherwise it becomes a food fight
 
@NathanMerrill but no decision has been made!
 
not saying you shouldn't present your case @TanMath, but I think that Martin is being fair
 
whatever... if you guys want me to show attribution you guys go edit it...
 
9:14 PM
link to the other challenge?
 
I feel there is no reason to do so...
 
Link to the two things in discussion?
pls?
 
@RikerW one of them is deleted
 
Okay.
 
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A: Atbash Self Palindromes

TanMathPython, 156 112 bytes a=map(chr,range(65,91)) s=raw_input().upper() print ''.join([dict(zip(a,a[::-1])).get(i,i) for i in s])==s[::-1] Basically, it makes a dictionary of the translation with uppercase letters and the input is capitalized (if everything were lowercase instead, that would add 5...

 
9:15 PM
You don't have sufficient reputation to see deleted posts, so you'll only be able to see TanMath's.
 
now I know why people call me controversial...
 
How much money would it cost to execute, in person, Mornington Crescent's hello word program? esolangs.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent
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That's actually a very interesting question
 
I wonder if the rates on the Tube vary by time of day
Probably
 
9:18 PM
lol
Somebody should try. :P
@TanMath why does it matter if the other one was deleted?
 
I'll take a screenie
 
@ThomasKwa thanks.
What amount of rep is needed?
to see deleted posts.
 
1k I think
 
@PhiNotPi Likely not possible, as there are some instructions requiring you to take the same train twice.
Train? Is that the right word for that?
 
9:21 PM
Looks to me like TanMath said "You stole my algorithm." and the guy said "Hmm, guess I did." delete
 
I'm not sure what Londoners call the actual vehicle.
 
So it is the same except for the deleted one is python 3 and different var names?
 
The discussion here is regarding whether TanMath knowingly use someone else's code without attribution after downvoting the post and telling the poster that it used his same algorithm. That prompted the user to delete his own post.
@TimmyD The Tube
 
Why would the user delete his post if he wasn't guilty?
 
Idk. They didn't want a downvote?
 
9:22 PM
Is timwi from the UK?
 
Yes
 
We should get him to do it. :P
Or at least see how much it would cost.
 
the prices have got to be online
 
googling now. :P
 
@Rainbolt Granted, TanMath didn't accuse him of stealing the algorithm but rather of using the same algorithm. The user could very well have come up with it independently.
(It's the pretty obvious algorithm in this case)
 
9:23 PM
Yeah.
 
@Rainbolt For a brand-new user coming onto a site and making a first post, that is an amazingly loaded question.
 
@AlexA. no... the deal is he has the same algorithm, just golfed down more... typically people comment on an answer helping the answerer on how to golf the answer down but this guys posted a seperate answer
 
He may not have seen your answer.
And there's nothing stopping someone from posting their own answer when they could have offered advice to someone else.
Similarly, there's nothing obligating someone to offer advice.
That said, it's a kind thing to do, particularly if you've seen someone's answer and can identify small improvements.
 
Do we make people attribute small improvements?
Like comments saying "You could do this better"
 
I think ThomasKwa brought that up a while ago?
The same language answer thing.
 
9:26 PM
ok... what do you guys want me to do??!!
 
Just do what is right. If you borrowed than attribute; if you didn't then don't.
 
I didn't so I am not attributing. However, some people do not agree...
 
They want me to attribute
 
@AlexA. they do, but if you have an Oyster card your rate is capped at the cost for a day travelcard anyway. the question is how many zones you need to travel through (quite a few, because I used Heathrow in the code... there might be even something further out on the Metropolitan line), and more importantly how many days it would actually take to do the trip.
 
9:28 PM
@TimmyD not in effect yet
 
About 319.0 pounds.
 
@NathanMerrill Correct. Hence why it's still up in the air.
 
well, you don't have to attribute until it goes in effect
 
@AlexA. not quite, but he lived in the UK for a while (not in London though)
 
1 min ago, by TanMath
ok... what do you guys want me to do??!!
 
9:28 PM
@Rainbolt This is related to a discussion the moderators had regarding comments that suggest improvements. If someone mentions an improvement in a comment and it's incorporated into the post, the comment suggesting the improvement can be deleted if the user was credited. Otherwise the comment shouldn't be deleted.
 
That is just the rate for one journey, 2.90, times 110, the number of jouneys.
 
1 min ago, by TanMath
They want me to attribute
 
@MartinBüttner Oh, okay.
 
fine... I will atrribute to satisfy you guys...
 
@RikerW you can definitely do it in much less than that
 
9:29 PM
I think 319 is fair, because assuming you could fit 4 journeys in one day, it would cap at 6.40.
But some would be farther away, so I think 319 is a good estimate.
@MartinBüttner you are probably right. £150?
 
how big do you think London is :P ... you can definitely fit more than 4 journeys in one day
 
lol okay
 
it depends on the map of the world you are using
 
How many then? Maybe 6?
 
you could totally make london the size of the US
 
9:31 PM
I have never been to the UK.
 
going from central London to Heathrow (which is one of the longest Journeys in the program, I think) takes about an hour.
 
Okay.
@MartinBüttner where do you live?
 
near Munich
 
atrributed...happy?
 
but I spent the last four years in London
 
9:32 PM
@MartinBüttner Hey, I have family in Munich. :p
 
I don't :P
 
I have no idea why I needed to do this...
 
Do you read this in German?
I see english. :P
But SE has translation, so?
 
now that I did what you guys wanted me to do, stop annoying me sbout this topic!
 
@TanMath I'd have been happy if you either 1) didn't steal and didn't attribute or 2) did steal and did attribute. Since you did neither of those, no, I am not happy.
 
9:33 PM
@Rainbolt I didn't steal!
 
@RikerW does it? (apart from things like SO in Portuguese)
 
@TanMath Right. I believe you.
 
I thought so...
IDK though.
 
but some others guys don't
 
What does Dennis see? Portugese?
 
9:33 PM
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Q: Paint by numbers (without the numbers)

OliverGriffinYour task is to create an algorithm/programme which takes a black and white outline image (creative commons example images below) and fill it in with colour. For example: As you can see I am clearly an artist of a superior calibre when it comes to MS Paint. It is up to you how you section off ...

 
Thank you @NewMainPosts.
 
@Rainbolt Go ahead, go convince them if you can...
 
I think 8 journeys a day is fair.
So maybe around £75?
 
if you really tried, you could probably do 16 or more
 
Yeah.
I think 8 is fair, bc what about lodging?
ie hotel expenses.
You could sleep on a bench I suppose...
 
9:38 PM
some people live there :P
 
The bench? Yes. Hotels? Yes.
The wings of an airplane? No.
^ was random.
 
if i get 7 more downvotes, i will delete the answer... so I guess that will make everybody happy, yeah? go an downvote!
 
Dude, chillax.
IDC either way.
 
I was just googling personality disorders involving having to be the center of negative attention, and I realized I am narcissistic.
 
@RikerW yeah, but some people do!
 
9:40 PM
Just say that @Artyer had a similar solution, and that will be good.
Not attribution, just a shoutout.
 
@Rainbolt will that make you happy?
 
If you recite the two options that I gave you earlier that would make me happy, then I will tell you if what you are planning to do will make me happy.
 
@Rainbolt huh? be straightforward please...
 
What is going on?
 
I want to get this stuff done with...
@quartata Hello from the controversial TanMath!
 
9:42 PM
?
 
@quartata @Artyer came up with a solution to @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ's Atbash palidrome challenge.
 
@quartata i am so controversial, you see?
 
@TanMath as far as I can see, nobody really cares anymore. If you want it to be done with, simply stop talking about it
Do what you want with the post
 
@TanMath You might find yourself having an easier time if you made an effort to be less controversial.
 
The algorithm he used was the same as @TanMath, and @TanMath told him off for copying or something like that.
@artyer deleted his post.
 
9:43 PM
@NathanMerrill you sure? Then why are people still downvoting my post and upvoting @MartinBüttner's comment!
 
Then he asked if attribution would make me happy, and then I listed two very specific things that would make me happy. And that brings us here.
 
But his was golfier than @TanMath.
 
@Ampora how?
@RikerW by four bytes, huh?
 
IDK the byte difference.
 
I wouldn't call it controversy since it implies people care. I think drama is better.
 
9:44 PM
@Rainbolt so you do not like the idea...
 
@TanMath then shortened his post until it looked the same-ish as the deleted one.
@quartata That is the whole problem.
5 mins ago, by RikerW
Dude, chillax.
 
@RikerW huh? stop making things up!
I already had that idea...
 
It looks the same and is identical except for the var names.
 
It was just that guy posted it before me...
 
I didn't say that you copied, I just said it was almost the same.
 
9:46 PM
You make it sound like I was trying to copy him or something
 
Sorry.
Not what I meant to say.
Bai now.
 
@RikerW bye... pretty abrupt man!
ok... what should I do???
 
@TanMath Modifying your code to look almost identical to a just-posted code 11 hours after your original code was posted seems sketchy/controversial.
 
I guess I know one person who is not going to be happy... @Rainbolt
 
Like I said earlier, there are two options for making me happy:
1) Copy and attribute
2) Don't copy, and don't attribute
 
9:48 PM
@Ampora whatever... I did the attribution everybody (apart from @Rainbolt) wants me to do...
@Rainbolt I didn't copy!! but everybody wants me to attribute...
 
Don't copy and attribute is not on that list. Unhappy Rainbolt.
You caving in to peer pressure makes me unhappy. You know what you did, and nobody else does.
 
@Rainbolt obviously I have to listen to mods!
 
The attribution isn't the most important thing here. If I copy the source code of google, release a search engine called eridansgoogle.com, and say that the original code was by Google, I'm still going to get a cease and desist. Besides, for beginning programmers such as myself, it's good to see how one method (yours) can be shortened into another method (Artyer's).
 
@Ampora you are a beginner?
You make great challenges though.
 
@RikerW On a relative scale, I'm a beginner.
 
9:52 PM
@Ampora fine... based on what you say, I should delete?
 
I'm lousy at golfing fwiw
 
^ me too
 
@TanMath Not my place to suggest, but rolling back to the 156 version and trying to better that with original methods seems like a possibility. I'm not a mod, nor do I have definitive knowledge of what to do, but perhaps that idea should be considered. But don't delete.
 
Do we need a timeout for everyone to cool off here? This seems heated.
 
I think you should just put a shoutout for @Artyer in. Not attribution, just a shoutout.
@quartata Yes.
 
9:54 PM
^^ Agreed. Perhaps a change of topic would be appropriate.
 
@RikerW i did
 
Lets get a mod to kick/ban us all!!!
:P
@TanMath Okay, that should be good.
Good job golfing though.
 
Mods can in fact do timeouts
 
Yes, exactly.
 
@RikerW Glad you like my challenges. But keep in mind that for some of them I don't know how to code it and do it manually :P
 
9:55 PM
@Doorknob is my choice for kick/timeout.
 
room locks down entirely
 
@Ampora lol I can help if you need test cases or something next time.
 
@RikerW Yea! Let's just kick Doorknob!
 
lol
 
Kind of want to star that but I don't want to make Doorknob mad at me
 
9:56 PM
I ran out of stars yesterday and have to wait 2 more hourse to get new ones.
:P
 
I'm on mobile, and it's incredibly hard to moderate from here which is why I've just been watching.
 
you can run out of stars?
 
@Ampora Do it, it can't be any worse than me insulting perl. :P
 
@RikerW you from CA too?
 
@Doorknob Hey @Doorknob.
 
9:57 PM
You're dangerously close to getting a frozen room until I get home, though, judging from what I've been seeing
 
Yes.
 
@NathanMerrill only 20 is possible
 
@Doorknob Just do that if it gets any worse.
 
I know how to lighten the mood.
How did Helen Keller's parents discipline her?
Glue a doorknob to the wall.
 
@TanMath 20 per?
 
9:57 PM
I think we are fine now.
@NathanMerrill Yes,
 
@Doorknob freeze it!
@NathanMerrill day
 
NO!!!!
 
lets not freeze the room
 
UTC day
 
I don't want to lose my procrastination place!!!!
 
9:58 PM
I'm already frozen. Won't affect me none.
 
I am supposed to be cleaning out a binder.
@Rainbolt :P
 
idea: everybody go take a look at sandboxed posts
and comment/upvote
 
Okay.
 
Can we downvote, or are we only channeling positive energy here?
 
9:58 PM
Can I leave a comment on the sandbox thanking @Sandbox?
 
upvote only!
 
@Rainbolt lol
 
@RikerW no!
 
@Rainbolt The latter.
@TanMath to late, already decided. :P
 
Minigolf: Given two input strings of equal length containing letters and whitespace ONLY, convert the letters to numbers with A=1, B=2, etc Z=26, add the corresponding letters together, take mod 26, and convert back to letters
 

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