The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

03:00

So today I learned about Area 51

Doorknob

only today?

quartata

Well I kinda always knew it existed

But I didn't quite get how it worked

Anyways, good proposals:

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Game Mechanics

Proposed Q&A site for anyone involved with designing, modifying, or implementing game mechanics for use in real-world applications.

Currently in definition.

123

Deep Web

Proposed Q&A site for deep web lovers. Mysterious levels above level 3.

Currently in definition.

41

Wikis

Proposed Q&A site for users, administrators, and developers of collaboratively generated content, better known as wikis.

Currently in definition.

Doorknob

quartata

First one is Zizouz's, amusingly enough.

@Doorknob Wait there's already an SE for that

I... wasn't aware of that.

Zizouz212

You all suck.

quartata

03:02

Hey...

Zizouz212

There is not already an SE for that.

Doorknob

an Stack Exchange

quartata

Zizouz212

Game Mechanics has some things for games, but there's a lot with gamification as well - implementation, design, testing and everything

quartata

I'm guessing he means this

Zizouz212

03:02

And then there is also this

Doorknob

@quartata yes I literally just linked that

Zizouz212

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Urban Planning

Proposed Q&A site for officials and professionals involved with building, designing, and sustaining towns and cities.

Currently in definition.

quartata

Yeah I think this is different though

Game Dev seems to be mostly programming questions

Game Mechanics (as I understand it) is... well.. mechanics

I think that's cool.

Doorknob

@Zizouz212 Yes, but gamification.SE failed miserably

Zizouz212

But why?

Doorknob

03:04

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zizouz212

It wasn't 'newbie' questions: it was just, no one was there...

Doorknob

maybe that tells you something about its viability as a full site

Zizouz212

But here's one thing: A lot was limited in those betas

And don't get me wrong, but the two of them together would probably benefit each other anyway

quintopia

is there a standard name for the "repeat until unchanged" combinator?

Doorknob

Pyth has an operator for it. Maybe check its doc.txt

quintopia

03:06

don't know what to search for

Doorknob

someone answered one of my questions with it once

/me finds it

Zizouz212

@quartata And gamification. I mean, look at SE (rep... badges... privileges... etc)

quintopia

i found one called "cumulative fixed-point" so i imagine he's just calling it fixed-point

Doorknob

u  <l:GH> <any> <none>    Apply A(_, _) until a result that has occurred before is found. Starting value B. A takes current value, iteration number as inputs.

doesn't seem to have a name :/

Oh yeah, "fixed-point" sounds right

El'endia Starman

In mathematics, a fixed point is one where f(x) = x.

quintopia

03:10

it greatly resembles the Y combinator, except the base case is explicit.

SuperJedi224

Goodbye

PhiNotPi

@all Poking y'all for Discord chat: discord.gg/0kCkPQ1A36APCuRN

quartata

@Doorknob Ah yes, that's the second mode of reduce Fry used in Alex-style addition

PhiNotPi

@Mego @AlexA. @GamrCorps ^^

quartata

Cool stuff

POLL: What would be a good name for a golfy version of Asymptote?

I thought that having a simple golfing lang for graphical-output challenges would be cool.

Sherlock9

03:18

@quartata Limit ?

quartata

I thought of that one. It's cool but it isn't... golfy like Pyth :P

Hmm

trichoplax

Asy

PhiNotPi

Totes

Ampora

@quartata Ass

trichoplax

Lim

quartata

03:20

@Ampora oh god no

@trichoplax These are possibilities too.

trichoplax

grolf

Will it cover 3d output?

Ampora

Or for a sense of irony, Intersection

quartata

@trichoplax Yes

Anything Asymptote can do, this will be able to do.

PhiNotPi

Any of these words which can be formed from Asymptote?
a, am, amp, amps, ape, apes, apt, aptest, as, asp, asymptote, at, ate, atom, atoms, atop, ay, aye, ayes, ays, east, easy, eat, eats, em, empty, ems, eta, etas, ma, map, maps, mas, mast, mat, mate, mates, matey, mateys, mats, matt, matte, mattes, matts, may, mayo, mays, me, meat, meats, meaty, mesa, met, moat, moats, mop, mope, mopes, mopey, mops, mosey, most, motte, my, oat, oats, ops, opt, opts, os, pa, past, paste, pasty, pat, pate, pats, patty, pay, pays, pe, pea, peas, peat, peaty, peso, pest, pesto, pesty, pet, pets, petty, poem, p…

quartata

I kinda like the ring of "Asp" actually.

Although it wouldn't be my first project named that....

Ampora

03:25

Symple (because Asymptote)?

quartata

Just realized that the new season of Downton Abbey started

What the fuck how did my brain think "Downton Abbey" and my hands type "asymptote"

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trichoplax

You've been staring at this far too long... ;)

quartata

...

trichoplax

Time to take a break :)

quartata

Yeah...

trichoplax

03:27

Have you ever repeated a word over and over to someone who's typing, so they end up typing that word?

Doorknob

If this were SMBC, the alt-text drawing thingy would be a giraffe hooker fluttering her eyelashes.

trichoplax

Whoever designed the human brain didn't focus on separation of concerns

BrainSteel

Human brain: Terrible parallelism. 6/10

quartata

Race conditions and deadlocks all over the place. What a terribly designed program.

BrainSteel

I'd speak to the manager.

quartata

03:31

Yeah.

El'endia Starman

You'll get to meet him sooner or later, don't worry.

quartata

I'll bring my "Introduction to Parallel Programming" book

We lost the documentation on quantum mechanics. You'll have to decode the regexes yourself.

Relevant

quintopia

hmm...what about a binary fixed-point combinator: apply two binary functions to the output of those two functions until they output the same value (like is done with the arithmetic-geometric mean)

Nathan Merrill

@TanMath I'm 24 :P

Alex A.

@Doorknob 2.5

FlagAsSpam

03:56

@quartata The post was locked at 5 AM yesterday for me.

quartata

@FlagAsSpam What?

Wow

Why did they lock it

FlagAsSpam

Because they didn't want anymore answers/votes. :P

Alex A.

@quartata You have the key to my heart

quartata

dafuq

Alex A.

FlagAsSpam

04:10

Letting your mouse hover over the image that Doorknob posted results in this.

quartata

All xkcds have alt-text like that.

Alex A.

^

FlagAsSpam

I did not know that.

Also - I just woke up at 4AM. ಠ_ಠ

trichoplax

@FlagAsSpam Hours of free extra day!

Alex A.

Hours spent miserable and tired

FlagAsSpam

04:18

I fell asleep at 1900 yesterday, so it's fine. :D

trichoplax

That's 9 hours sleep - no problem...

FlagAsSpam

Yeah, man. xD I can't sleep any longer than that.

Alex A.

In the absence of alarms I can sleep indefinitely. I once slept from about midnight until 4:00 PM.

I once slept through a bunch of alarms and missed a flight for my aunt's wedding. (I still made it to the wedding though)

El'endia Starman

Longest I've ever slept in one stretch was 17 hours.

That was after being awake for 31 hours, if I recall correctly.

RikerW

04:34

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why did you ping me?

quintopia

@El'endiaStarman that's an awful long sleep for a comparatively short waking period. Were you also sick?

BrainSteel

Psst... Looking for opinions on my sandbox post.

Alex A.

What in the hell, 0 is truthy in Ruby?! >:O

BrainSteel

@AlexA. O_o

Ampora

Sleep. Hahaha... A normal day for me is 20/4 with a skipped day about once a week now

El'endia Starman

04:39

@quintopia No. Two hours of wakefulness for one hour of sleep is a pretty good general rule of thumb. 31/17 is not far off from 2.

Alex A.

@BrainSteel I KNOW RIGHT?!

trichoplax

@AlexA. I remember offering some golfing advice in a comment on a Ruby answer only to find out it was invalid due to truthy 0

BrainSteel

@AlexA. That's wronger than tabs.

Alex A.

Eh. I would take truthy 0 over tabs for indentation any day.

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trichoplax

Indeed.

quintopia

04:41

@El'endiaStarman I don't think that formula remains true in exceptional situations.

BrainSteel

I would take either over smooth peanut butter...

FlagAsSpam

Looks very phallic... :/ — Beta Decay Apr 30 '15 at 17:10

Alex A.

@BrainSteel ಠ_ಠ

Dennis

If 0 is truthy, what the spaces is falsy in Ruby?

quintopia

@BrainSteel Watch Mathematica have a circle-intersection-area builtin :P

Ampora

04:41

@BrainSteel ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

> what the spaces

trichoplax

Truthy 0 I can get used to, but tabs don't make sense unless the separators between words are also tabs

BrainSteel

@quintopia I've got a note about that being disallowed somewhere in there :D

Dennis

trichoplax-is-wrong

Alex A.

@Dennis nil and I don't know what else

BrainSteel

04:42

OH NO, dennis-is-wrong

Alex A.

Dennis couldn't be right forever.

We always knew there would come a time.

trichoplax

We're clearly both wrong for expressing arbitrary opinions we know will be strongly opposed :)

RikerW

alex-is-still-wrong-though

Dennis

alex-is-the-wrongest

BrainSteel

poor-alex

Alex A.

04:44

@trichoplax No, anyone whose opinion supports the use of tabs is objectively wrong. :P

RikerW

alex-will-always-be-wrong

trichoplax

@AlexA. Oh yes, I remember now

BrainSteel

he-cant-help-it-guys

RikerW

sorry-alex-but-the-truth-hurts

@AlexA. ^

trichoplax

Nothing hurts, but it's truthy

FlagAsSpam

04:45

Nope. Nopity nope nope.

Zach Gates

@trichoplax Nothing is truthy?

Alex A.

@FlagAsSpam Yes but they don't render as tags

RikerW

Not tagging.

Dennis

In Ruby, it is.

trichoplax

@ZachGates Only in Ruby - see a few minutes ago

RikerW

04:45

[tag:@AlexA.]

[tag:\@AlexA.]

Dennis

Tag pings. Great!

Calvin's Hobbies

Do pinks work in links @Ale

RikerW

Its the new stealth pinging.

Alex A.

It's not at all stealth

RikerW

Yes, that is true.

Alex A.

04:46

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes. That's by design though.

Calvin's Hobbies

It does highlight you, but did you get pinged?

RikerW

[tag:@-A-l-e-x--A-.]

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies If it highlights, it pings.

Alex A.

@RikerW The @, like apostrophes, kills the tag syntax

BrainSteel

04:47

alex-kills-tag-syntax

Alex A.

@Dennis ?

Sherlock9

Anyone up for voice chat?

Dennis

2 mins ago, by Calvin's Hobbies

It does highlight you, but did you get pinged?

Alex A.

I don't feel like exercising my vocal cords but my fingers are feeling agile enough.

@Dennis Right, but I don't understand what highlighting means here

BrainSteel

The red thing.

FlagAsSpam

04:49

7 secs ago, by FlagAsSpam

@AlexA. Do pings work in quotes too?

BrainSteel

@AlexA. <--- highlighted?

trichoplax

Save your vocal cords. Converse in a terse language

Alex A.

@FlagAsSpam Yes

@BrainSteel Yes

@trichoplax Ys

trichoplax

lol

Dennis

@AlexA. Hovering a message highlights the context messages in grey.

BrainSteel

04:50

Oh, that too.

Alex A.

@Dennis Oh, that highlighting.

trichoplax

"greylighting"

Sherlock9

Poking y'all for Discord chat: discord.gg/0kCkPQ1A36APCuRN

Alex A.

"lowlighting"

BrainSteel

"moodlighting"

trichoplax

04:51

"delighting"

Dennis

@AlexA. Objectively the best way to figure out if a given message has pinged somebody or not.

Alex A.

@BrainSteel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Dennis Agreed. I had forgotten about it. ;-;

BrainSteel

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

Something heinous: Testing for regular expression matches in Ruby returns 0 on match and nil otherwise. Even if 0 is truthy by some design fault of the language, why would you perpetuate this by returning 0 on a match?!

PhiNotPi

I guess discord isn't going to be a thing tonight.

Alex A.

04:54

Is anybody in there?

BrainSteel

By the way, why does the Australian Department of Defense publish papers on simple plane geometry?

Sherlock9

@AlexA. 0 is truthy in Ruby

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. Sherlock and I, but nobody we've poked has joined.

Sherlock9

@AlexA. Just me and Phi

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 I know, that's part of my rant.

Sherlock9

04:55

@AlexA. Yeah, it annoys the heck out of me too, on general principles

Alex A.

@BrainSteel Because the Australian government is well funded and allocates funds to further knowledge? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zach Gates

@FlagAsSpam Spanish ... ಠ_ಠ

trichoplax

We have this thing that makes our language different. Let's force everyone to use it

@BrainSteel Looks like they are well prepared for incursions from Flatland

Alex A.

lal

Zach Gates

lel

Sherlock9

04:58

@trichoplax I think it's bad, but in many of Python golfs, I couldn't just use 0 as a falsey as the program would interpret it as a num. I had to use something like (x<1)

Alex A.

Flatland

Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions is an 1884 satirical novella by the English schoolmaster Edwin Abbott Abbott. Writing pseudonymously as "A Square", the book used the fictional two-dimensional world of Flatland to comment on the hierarchy of Victorian culture, but the novella's more enduring contribution is its examination of dimensions. Several films have been made from the story, including the feature film Flatland (2007). Other efforts have been short or experimental films, including one narrated by Dudley Moore and the short films Flatland: The Movie (2007) and Flatland 2: Sphereland...

trichoplax

Actually, the abstract sums it up pretty well. The military use Venn diagrams

Alex A.

@ZachGates lul

Zach Gates

@AlexA. lil

BrainSteel

@trichoplax Wait, people make geometrically accurate Venn diagrams?

Alex A.

04:59

@BrainSteel Venn probably did

trichoplax

@BrainSteel Venn diagrams with military precision

BrainSteel

And then measure their area?

Zach Gates

It makes sense to use 0 as a truthy value, imo. It is an integer after all.

trichoplax

The military take things very seriously

BrainSteel

@ZachGates WAT

Zach Gates

04:59

@BrainSteel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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