The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-01-05 (page 2 of 5)

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3:00 AM

So today I learned about Area 51

only today?

Well I kinda always knew it existed

But I didn't quite get how it worked

Anyways, good proposals:

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Proposed Q&A site for anyone involved with designing, modifying, or implementing game mechanics for use in real-world applications.

Currently in definition.

123

Proposed Q&A site for deep web lovers. Mysterious levels above level 3.

Currently in definition.

41

Proposed Q&A site for users, administrators, and developers of collaboratively generated content, better known as wikis.

Currently in definition.

First one is Zizouz's, amusingly enough.

@Doorknob Wait there's already an SE for that

I... wasn't aware of that.

You all suck.

3:02 AM

Hey...

There is not already an SE for that.

an Stack Exchange

Game Mechanics has some things for games, but there's a lot with gamification as well - implementation, design, testing and everything

I'm guessing he means this

3:02 AM

And then there is also this

@quartata yes I literally just linked that

51

Proposed Q&A site for officials and professionals involved with building, designing, and sustaining towns and cities.

Currently in definition.

Yeah I think this is different though

Game Dev seems to be mostly programming questions

Game Mechanics (as I understand it) is... well.. mechanics

I think that's cool.

@Zizouz212 Yes, but gamification.SE failed miserably

But why?

3:04 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It wasn't 'newbie' questions: it was just, no one was there...

maybe that tells you something about its viability as a full site

But here's one thing: A lot was limited in those betas

And don't get me wrong, but the two of them together would probably benefit each other anyway

is there a standard name for the "repeat until unchanged" combinator?

Pyth has an operator for it. Maybe check its doc.txt

3:06 AM

don't know what to search for

someone answered one of my questions with it once

/me finds it

@quartata And gamification. I mean, look at SE (rep... badges... privileges... etc)

i found one called "cumulative fixed-point" so i imagine he's just calling it fixed-point

u  <l:GH> <any> <none>    Apply A(_, _) until a result that has occurred before is found. Starting value B. A takes current value, iteration number as inputs.

doesn't seem to have a name :/

Oh yeah, "fixed-point" sounds right

El'endia Starman

In mathematics, a fixed point is one where f(x) = x.

3:10 AM

it greatly resembles the Y combinator, except the base case is explicit.

Goodbye

@all Poking y'all for Discord chat: discord.gg/0kCkPQ1A36APCuRN

@Doorknob Ah yes, that's the second mode of reduce Fry used in Alex-style addition

@Mego @AlexA. @GamrCorps ^^

Cool stuff

POLL: What would be a good name for a golfy version of Asymptote?

I thought that having a simple golfing lang for graphical-output challenges would be cool.

3:18 AM

@quartata Limit ?

I thought of that one. It's cool but it isn't... golfy like Pyth :P

Hmm

Asy

Totes

@quartata Ass

Lim

3:20 AM

@Ampora oh god no

@trichoplax These are possibilities too.

grolf

Will it cover 3d output?

Or for a sense of irony, Intersection

@trichoplax Yes

Anything Asymptote can do, this will be able to do.

Any of these words which can be formed from Asymptote?
a, am, amp, amps, ape, apes, apt, aptest, as, asp, asymptote, at, ate, atom, atoms, atop, ay, aye, ayes, ays, east, easy, eat, eats, em, empty, ems, eta, etas, ma, map, maps, mas, mast, mat, mate, mates, matey, mateys, mats, matt, matte, mattes, matts, may, mayo, mays, me, meat, meats, meaty, mesa, met, moat, moats, mop, mope, mopes, mopey, mops, mosey, most, motte, my, oat, oats, ops, opt, opts, os, pa, past, paste, pasty, pat, pate, pats, patty, pay, pays, pe, pea, peas, peat, peaty, peso, pest, pesto, pesty, pet, pets, petty, poem, p…

I kinda like the ring of "Asp" actually.

Although it wouldn't be my first project named that....

3:25 AM

Symple (because Asymptote)?

Just realized that the new season of Downton Abbey started

What the fuck how did my brain think "Downton Abbey" and my hands type "asymptote"

4

You've been staring at this far too long... ;)

...

Time to take a break :)

Yeah...

3:27 AM

Have you ever repeated a word over and over to someone who's typing, so they end up typing that word?

If this were SMBC, the alt-text drawing thingy would be a giraffe hooker fluttering her eyelashes.

Whoever designed the human brain didn't focus on separation of concerns

Human brain: Terrible parallelism. 6/10

Race conditions and deadlocks all over the place. What a terribly designed program.

I'd speak to the manager.

3:31 AM

Yeah.

El'endia Starman

You'll get to meet him sooner or later, don't worry.

I'll bring my "Introduction to Parallel Programming" book

We lost the documentation on quantum mechanics. You'll have to decode the regexes yourself.

Relevant

hmm...what about a binary fixed-point combinator: apply two binary functions to the output of those two functions until they output the same value (like is done with the arithmetic-geometric mean)

@TanMath I'm 24 :P

@Doorknob 2.5

3:56 AM

@quartata The post was locked at 5 AM yesterday for me.

@FlagAsSpam What?

Wow

Why did they lock it

Because they didn't want anymore answers/votes. :P

@quartata You have the key to my heart

dafuq

user image

4:10 AM

user image

Letting your mouse hover over the image that Doorknob posted results in this.

All xkcds have alt-text like that.

^

I did not know that.

Also - I just woke up at 4AM. ಠ_ಠ

@FlagAsSpam Hours of free extra day!

Hours spent miserable and tired

4:18 AM

I fell asleep at 1900 yesterday, so it's fine. :D

That's 9 hours sleep - no problem...

Yeah, man. xD I can't sleep any longer than that.

In the absence of alarms I can sleep indefinitely. I once slept from about midnight until 4:00 PM.

I once slept through a bunch of alarms and missed a flight for my aunt's wedding. (I still made it to the wedding though)

El'endia Starman

Longest I've ever slept in one stretch was 17 hours.

That was after being awake for 31 hours, if I recall correctly.

4:34 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why did you ping me?

@El'endiaStarman that's an awful long sleep for a comparatively short waking period. Were you also sick?

Psst... Looking for opinions on my sandbox post.

What in the hell, 0 is truthy in Ruby?! >:O

@AlexA. O_o

Sleep. Hahaha... A normal day for me is 20/4 with a skipped day about once a week now

El'endia Starman

4:39 AM

@quintopia No. Two hours of wakefulness for one hour of sleep is a pretty good general rule of thumb. 31/17 is not far off from 2.

@BrainSteel I KNOW RIGHT?!

@AlexA. I remember offering some golfing advice in a comment on a Ruby answer only to find out it was invalid due to truthy 0

@AlexA. That's wronger than tabs.

Eh. I would take truthy 0 over tabs for indentation any day.

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Indeed.

4:41 AM

@El'endiaStarman I don't think that formula remains true in exceptional situations.

I would take either over smooth peanut butter...

Looks very phallic... :/ — Beta Decay Apr 30 '15 at 17:10

@BrainSteel ಠ_ಠ

If 0 is truthy, what the spaces is falsy in Ruby?

@BrainSteel Watch Mathematica have a circle-intersection-area builtin :P

4:41 AM

@BrainSteel ಠ_ಠ

> what the spaces

Truthy 0 I can get used to, but tabs don't make sense unless the separators between words are also tabs

@quintopia I've got a note about that being disallowed somewhere in there :D

trichoplax-is-wrong

@Dennis nil and I don't know what else

4:42 AM

OH NO, dennis-is-wrong

Dennis couldn't be right forever.

We always knew there would come a time.

We're clearly both wrong for expressing arbitrary opinions we know will be strongly opposed :)

alex-is-still-wrong-though

alex-is-the-wrongest

poor-alex

4:44 AM

@trichoplax No, anyone whose opinion supports the use of tabs is objectively wrong. :P

alex-will-always-be-wrong

@AlexA. Oh yes, I remember now

he-cant-help-it-guys

sorry-alex-but-the-truth-hurts

@AlexA. ^

Nothing hurts, but it's truthy

4:45 AM

Nope. Nopity nope nope.

@trichoplax Nothing is truthy?

@FlagAsSpam Yes but they don't render as tags

Not tagging.

In Ruby, it is.

@ZachGates Only in Ruby - see a few minutes ago

4:45 AM

[tag:@AlexA.]

[tag:\@AlexA.]

Tag pings. Great!

Calvin's Hobbies

Do pinks work in links @Ale

Its the new stealth pinging.

It's not at all stealth

Yes, that is true.

4:46 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes. That's by design though.

Calvin's Hobbies

It does highlight you, but did you get pinged?

[tag:@-A-l-e-x--A-.]

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes

@Calvin'sHobbies If it highlights, it pings.

@RikerW The @, like apostrophes, kills the tag syntax

4:47 AM

alex-kills-tag-syntax

@Dennis ?

Anyone up for voice chat?

2 mins ago, by Calvin's Hobbies

It does highlight you, but did you get pinged?

I don't feel like exercising my vocal cords but my fingers are feeling agile enough.

@Dennis Right, but I don't understand what highlighting means here

The red thing.

4:49 AM

7 secs ago, by FlagAsSpam

@AlexA. Do pings work in quotes too?

@AlexA. <--- highlighted?

Save your vocal cords. Converse in a terse language

@FlagAsSpam Yes

@BrainSteel Yes

@trichoplax Ys

lol

@AlexA. Hovering a message highlights the context messages in grey.

4:50 AM

Oh, that too.

@Dennis Oh, that highlighting.

"greylighting"

Poking y'all for Discord chat: discord.gg/0kCkPQ1A36APCuRN

"lowlighting"

"moodlighting"

4:51 AM

"delighting"

@AlexA. Objectively the best way to figure out if a given message has pinged somebody or not.

@BrainSteel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Dennis Agreed. I had forgotten about it. ;-;

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

Something heinous: Testing for regular expression matches in Ruby returns 0 on match and nil otherwise. Even if 0 is truthy by some design fault of the language, why would you perpetuate this by returning 0 on a match?!

I guess discord isn't going to be a thing tonight.

4:54 AM

Is anybody in there?

By the way, why does the Australian Department of Defense publish papers on simple plane geometry?

@AlexA. 0 is truthy in Ruby

@AlexA. Sherlock and I, but nobody we've poked has joined.

@AlexA. Just me and Phi

@Sherlock9 I know, that's part of my rant.

4:55 AM

@AlexA. Yeah, it annoys the heck out of me too, on general principles

@BrainSteel Because the Australian government is well funded and allocates funds to further knowledge? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@FlagAsSpam Spanish ... ಠ_ಠ

We have this thing that makes our language different. Let's force everyone to use it

@BrainSteel Looks like they are well prepared for incursions from Flatland

lal

lel

4:58 AM

@trichoplax I think it's bad, but in many of Python golfs, I couldn't just use 0 as a falsey as the program would interpret it as a num. I had to use something like (x<1)

Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions is an 1884 satirical novella by the English schoolmaster Edwin Abbott Abbott. Writing pseudonymously as "A Square", the book used the fictional two-dimensional world of Flatland to comment on the hierarchy of Victorian culture, but the novella's more enduring contribution is its examination of dimensions. Several films have been made from the story, including the feature film Flatland (2007). Other efforts have been short or experimental films, including one narrated by Dudley Moore and the short films Flatland: The Movie (2007) and Flatland 2: Sphereland...

Actually, the abstract sums it up pretty well. The military use Venn diagrams

@ZachGates lul

@AlexA. lil

@trichoplax Wait, people make geometrically accurate Venn diagrams?

4:59 AM

@BrainSteel Venn probably did

@BrainSteel Venn diagrams with military precision

And then measure their area?

It makes sense to use 0 as a truthy value, imo. It is an integer after all.

The military take things very seriously

@ZachGates WAT

4:59 AM

@BrainSteel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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