The Nineteenth Byte - 2015-11-28 (page 5 of 6)

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10:00 PM

today has been a bad day for golf :(

so few fun questions

I could try putting up another Josephus. The trouble with that is that finding good algorithms is a pain, and I might marked as duplicate again :(

Josephus with three inputs (again): number of people in circle, steps before elimination, your position in the circle

probably been done before

Anonymous

If you don't want your question closed as a dupe, don't post a dupe. Easy peasy.

Anonymous

The search function works wonders.

Well, I've looked for Josephus before. Just the old one, the one I made earlier this week and if I post the above, that.

Oh, I should clarify. With those three inputs, figure when you get eliminated.

The inverse of finding out who gets eliminated when

Is that too close?

Hmm. I'll sandbox and see what the feedback is

10:11 PM

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Q: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What is the Sandbox? This "Sandbox" is a place where Programming Puzzles & Code Golf (PPCG) users can get feedback on prospective challenges they wish to post to the main page. This is useful because writing a clear and fully specified challenge on the first try can be difficult. There is a much...

discussion featured sandbox

I like how @Sandbox has 2 gold badges on meta

Who owns the sandbox anyway?

5 2 3 4

discussion featured sandbox

Calvin's Hobbies

Doorknob controls Sandbox

Oh.

10:13 PM

Sandbox is Doorknob's sock.

@Calvin'sHobbies Vitsy, 11 bytes: 'Ĩ¹J'l\N(this contains an unprintable, &#1e;

@AlexA. This is actually true :P

I think 1758 answers is quite an accomplishment.

Doorsock.

But I think it is time to open a new uncluttered sandbox.

@AlexA. His password is in an annotation on his main account, so you (or any other mod) could technically control him if you wanted to. :P

@flawr no

Why not?

10:14 PM

@Doorknob Can I use him to troll chat?

It is massively overpopulated and it is nearly impossible to browse through.

@flawr We did that before. It didn't work.

@AlexA. ... please don't :P

:P

I think before we did it with a new monthly sandbox, but I think at least a new sandbox every year should be possible.

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A: How should sandbox retirement be handled (if at all)?

Proposal for the handling of retired sandboxes - Don't! I suggest to stop retiring sandboxes and keep using a single one. Sandboxes should be sorted by activity, because even at 50 or 100 answers, they are too big to find the active ones when sorting by votes. Assuming everyone does that, we can...

Calvin's Hobbies

10:16 PM

Maybe just delete all questions over 100 days old or so

I know we want to keep them so people can use them but how many people actually look through super old sandbox posts?

@Calvin'sHobbies That haven't been posted or updated for a long time*

See: Cell Automata, 44 up votes.

Calvin's Hobbies

Right. Inactive for X days is the accurate term I guess.

Seriously, when is that Cell Automata question going to be posted? It's been in the sandbox for a year now.

@Calvin'sHobbies This just adds deleted answer clutter, which I have a feeling will never be addressed officially by SE. If you sort by active it should work well enough.

(Addressed in the sense of your Meta.SE question)

@Doorknob wait mods have annotations on people?

what does mine say

10:20 PM

I actually agree with indexing the sandbox every 100 questions.

@orlp you don't have any

@orlp It says orlp stands for Often Rings Loudly on Poles.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. But ideally all the posts would eventually turn into real challenges and be deleted from the sandbox anyway. Having them deleted seems better than having them not deleted for clutter reduction.

Neither does almost everybody

@AlexA. As in Polish people? o_o

10:21 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies I thought people replaced them with links rather than deleting

@Calvin'sHobbies Sure, ideally. I don't think anyone's answer should be deleted without their explicit consent.

Calvin's Hobbies

@quintopia Both

@orlp There are exactly 18 users with annotations on them on PPCG, actually. Most are automated, from network suspensions.

@quintopia Do both.

Ah

10:22 PM

another seriously answer @Mego

0

A: Reimplementing square root

Seriously, 4 bytes 1½,^ This does the following Python code in Seriously: n=input();n**.5

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. If it's been a year or more I doubt they would remember or care. I wouldn't. (Can low-rep users search for their own deleted answers?)

No, they can't without a permalink to the answer IIRC

@VoteToClose Yes, he makes a lot of prank calls to Poland. His long distance phone bills are through the roof.

@Mego but what about cartesian product?

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose Did you mean days? Questions is possible too I guess but there could technically be 100 active sandbox posts at a time

@Calvin'sHobbies I could probably do it in TI-BASIC by using lots of math functions with 7 and pi

10:26 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah, that thing. Every 100 days or so, generate a new sandbox and close but not delete the old one after about a week. If people want to keep their questions, they move them.

Calvin's Hobbies

@ThomasKwa It's the ones digit of 7*x for x from 1 to 10 if that helps

how the f*** do we add fractions in a language that only supports 8-bit integers? — Thomas Kwa 4 mins ago

@ThomasKwa Little hostile, don't you think? :P

@Calvin'sHobbies oh

@AlexA. I think it's perfectly f***ing acceptable.

fuck

I uncensored for you

10:28 PM

@Mego how can you repeat a code block i times?

The OP censored "brainf**k" but not "fucked my brain up"

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose I don't like that, mainly because it means multiple sandbox links that would be confusing for new users (and old ones).

That's a mystery to me

I like the part about the squirrel @anOKsquirrel

@ThomasKwa Wow, that's really amusing. I didn't even notice that.

10:28 PM

@TanMath Question: you do realize there is a python answer already that uses the same method, no?

@VoteToClose where?

for what question?

In space, for all of the questions

2

A: Count sums of two squares

Python 3, 93 62 69 bytes Itertools wasn't working so I used two ranges again, but moved the range out to save bytes. Edit: Previous code didn't actually work, since I defined range over n before I defined n. lambda n:sum(i*i+j*j==n for i in range(-n,n+1)for j in range(-n,n+1))

Well, almost the same method.

@VoteToClose i use itertools, he doesn't

Eh, okay. He started by using itertools, though, is my point.

And, even without the import, it's basically the same thing (I think?).

10:31 PM

@GamrCorps As @feersum pointed out a while back, this isn't any good because it isn't actually bytes

Just that the itertools does it for you.

We need an actual file format which is what I was making

quartater.tots

@quartata true

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Or just a name besides bytes for MC stuff. (e.g. codels for Piet)

Blockels

10:32 PM

haha

Yeah, but we also need to count text in the blocks. Bltexels?

Or Blytes

Anonymous

Perfect. Blytes

Mayhaps.

Anonymous

That is certainly not a blight upon our site

10:33 PM

We never really reached a consensus on that anyways and I think it would be better to have something less abstract

Anonymous

I keep hoping Reddit will entertain me but it keeps failing

@Mego It's flawed reasoning to hope for that

Reddit is crap except for r/pitbulls because of the cute.

Anonymous

gfycat.com/DelectableFantasticAllosaurus

Anonymous

Nvm found some entertainment

10:34 PM

@Mego so how do you do cartesian product, and how do you repeat a code block i times...

Anonymous

omg goatsim needs grappling hooks

I ಠ_ಠ at answers that get way more up votes but aren't very creative/concise in CG.

Anonymous

@TanMath Step 1: you stop asking

Also, is there a shorter way to do i[i:] for some specified i?

@Mego ok

@TanMath I stopped using itertools after that got too top-heavy. Please read the answer as it currently stands. I do, however, understand your idea with the Cartesian product. I just have no idea how to implement it. Good luck.

10:35 PM

@TanMath what? Python?

@ThomasKwa no seriously...

@Mego Give him a break, I don't think he does CG often. :P We were all newbies once.

@VoteToClose yes, I am not the best CG ever, plus Seriously isn't a very well documented language (although it is a great one!)...

Anonymous

@TanMath You've got commands.txt

Anonymous

(hint: I haven't worked out how to do cartesian product yet, because I haven't needed it yet)

10:37 PM

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what the hell

@Mego Can I see the docs?

@VoteToClose ?????

I have the best gifs. :D

"sick burn"

@VoteToClose Lord I've been looking for the original gif but I had NO idea how to ask people about it

10:37 PM

ooohhhhhhhh

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 See github

It's so terrifying.

@Mego that is true, but what did @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ say?

@Mego Is it in your profile?

Anonymous

@TanMath wapapapapapapapow?

10:38 PM

> Sure, I can look in the online interpreter, but 'aint nobody got time for that.

I just cried a little, that looks so good in chat. xD

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Yep

Also, I love how whenever a challenge gets closed as a dupe of a 4 year old super easy challenge that challenge suddenly gets a lot of answers

cough

-1

Q: Oh no! sqrt broke!

For some reason, the sqrt function (or equivalent) in all programming languages has broken! You must find a workaround. Input The input is 1 number. Output The output is the square root of the input. You must be accurate to ±0.1. Limitations You may not use any built in sqrt function (or eq...

@TanMath I think it's slower to ask here than to look it up, actually

v

10:38 PM

@Mego oh.. that is sad, what about transpose?

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Q: Reimplementing square root

Define a function, s, which takes a number and returns the square root. No use of library functions, such as Java's Math.sqrt() or PHP's built in sqrt(), allowed.

0

A: Reimplementing square root

Vitsy, 5 Bytes Not so hard... 12/^N 12/ Push 1/2. ^ Put the input to the power of 1/2. N Output as number.

0

A: Reimplementing square root

Seriously, 4 bytes 1½,^ This does the following Python code in Seriously: n=input();n**.5

@quartata thanks for the advertisement! (idk if the advertisement is a negative one or not!)

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It's more like a slightly amused one.

@AlexA. <3

@TanMath Seriously is a new language; it doesn't have everything yet. If you want to learn a balanced code-golf language that can sometimes win, go for Pyth or APL.

10:40 PM

@AlexA. new profile pic?

Anonymous

@VoteToClose older != newer

@JohnE = chat stalker confirmed?

Might be worth noting that Vitsy was invented about 4 years after this challenge was posed. — JohnE 1 min ago

@Mego HEY I MEANT TO SAY THE CHALLENGE WAS OLDER. c:

Anonymous

@quartata He's the true owner of @ಠ_ಠ

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. image not found

10:41 PM

@flawr Haha no, not my dog, just a cute one :D

@ThomasKwa so? it is harder to compete with Pyth answers

@Calvin'sHobbies orly?

@TanMath Be fast.

Calvin's Hobbies

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oh SHIT that's so cute

10:42 PM

@ThomasKwa now that is what i hate about CG!!!!!

@TanMath fgitw-ftw

@TanMath only enter the difficult ones. Less competition

@TanMath There's no magic formula for winning. If you use a popular language, it'll be taken quickly; if you use an obscure one, you'll need to slog through docs.

@quintopia but then it is difficult!

Or at least you get longer to write it

Anonymous

10:44 PM

No Silver Bullet

@AlexA. BTW, this is interesting: I put this in my profile long before I made the joke about Vitsy being the name of my first born.

> Busily working on Vitsy... ;c My baby needs lovin'.

Anonymous

ಠ_ಠ

:O

What TanMath said:
But then it is *fun!*

Man, the sun just rose

I should jog or something

10:45 PM

@quintopia Seriously?!

I'll probably golf some more instead

@Sherlock9 bye!

Anonymous

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@Calvin'sHobbies d'awhhhh

@Dennis Can you make pages on TryItOnline that will only return strings, but are the equivalent of hitting "Run" on the page? That way, we can put it in Stack Snippets.

10:46 PM

@TanMath difficult challenge=best challenge!

@TanMath I did TI-BASIC for a while, which was nice because it won a couple of challenges and no one knew it to the point where it was a problem

@TanMath Mate, I ain't leaving yet

@VoteToClose If he were to implement this, something would have to be done about cross-origin policy

I think there's a HTTP header that you can use

@flawr what?

Anonymous

We need a version of this for programming languages:

Anonymous

10:47 PM

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That would actually be really nice though because then Stack Snippets could be used for any language on TryItOnline.

lol

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose strawpoll.me/6127121

> Brianfuck

haha

Anonymous

"Brianfuck"

10:47 PM

@Doorknob Exactly my point - we could have StackSnippets for _any question in esolangs (on tryitonline).

Anonymous

Damnit

@Mego ninjaficationified

ninjarific

Anonymous

I would pick "Seriously" for "Seriously how did this happen"

in actuality, I would name him C

10:48 PM

BRIANFUCK! :D Only funny for @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ.

@Mego "We were so careful"

@Calvin'sHobbies Vitsy actually sounds the least horrible, surprisingly

no

\o/ Told you.

Anonymous

@AlexA. "We made sure not to dereference any null pointers..."

10:48 PM

Rats. "Alexiswrong" is too long to be my name in Undertale.

:/

Alex Wrong

@quartata AlexIsRite would fit

Anonymous

Why don't we have a language named AlexIsWrong?

ಠ_ಠ

Right.

10:49 PM

ALISWRONG

@AlexA. Limit is 6 chars

Calvin's Hobbies

Cody seems like an apt name for a programmer's child

Anonymous

It could be like Pyth, but all boolean values are reversed

Oh right. I forgot

@quartata AlexA.

Anonymous

10:50 PM

AWrong

@Calvin'sHobbies Hah

@AlexA. No periods

But I suppose

@Calvin'sHobbies Or Nullpointerexception Jones

@Mego We do - ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

@VoteToClose That's not the same

Calvin's Hobbies

10:51 PM

@AlexA. If he became a programmer too he'd always be blamed for the bugs

Eh. I'll make a compressed version of ಠ_ಠ to use that is called Alex-Is-Wrong

If I ever reproduce and name a kid Alex, rather than Alex Jr. he should be Alex++.

3

Ooh, ooh, I mortarboarded three times in a row as of today. :D

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Alex Tables?

Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory.

10:53 PM

@VoteToClose well it took way too long but there is now a windows and a mac version (as I now realize mac uses 2.7 while win uses 3.4). Mac version has a popup that displays size. Updates on repo.

And so it begins.

Rather fitting, since this is a true pacifist run and CJam never wins.

(SHOTS FIRED OHHHH)

Is Dwarf Fortress good?

@anOKsquirrel yes

@anOKsquirrel no

@quartata website?

10:54 PM

@anOKsquirrel kinda

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel maybe

Play NetHack instead though

@quartata XD

@Doorknob Abandoning Nethack already? :P

@quartata ^

Calvin's Hobbies

10:54 PM

@anOKsquirrel on tuesdays

so many pings

@AlexA. No, Dwarf Fortress is just a reskinned version of Nethack

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel Make sure you gather all the cotton candy

@quartata I laughed far too much at that. Probably the insomnia

@GamrCorps We reached a population of 20 in Main Chat

10:55 PM

@Sherlock9 go to bed

@GamrCorps Hooray!

@AlexA. Why?

Slep is gud

@AlienG Oh no

@GamrCorps Don't even ask about the gender ratio.

Calvin's Hobbies

10:56 PM

@ale@meg test

I'd just like to point out that Vitsy is currently the most unhated child name in the poll.

@Sherlock9 hue hue

@Mego Just don't take it from strangers in a van

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies ಠ_ಠ

@Calvin'sHobbies hi

Calvin's Hobbies

10:56 PM

Ah, it pinged both

aleameg?

test:
@Mego

dangit, not a stealth ping

Anonymous

@anOKsquirrel ಠ_ಠ

@anOKsquirrel Not how they work

Anonymous

10:57 PM

@Doorknob ಠ_ಠ

:)

Calvin's Hobbies

So you could ping 125 unique names in chat since the msg limit is 500 and it takes 4 chars min to ping

3 min

I wish Toriel wouldn't be proud of me for flipping a light switch

ok let's do it then :P

10:58 PM

@Cal

@anOKsquirrel Do not

> This switch doesn't even work...

@Doorknob How did you silently ping?

@AlexA. k

@Sherlock9 status-declined

@AlexA. @ (1) + Cal (3) = 4

Calvin's Hobbies

10:59 PM

@AlexA. If only the ping noise pitch was dependent on message length or something. Then we could play songs to people.

c: alex-is-wrong

@Calvin'sHobbies Ooh

@Calvin'sHobbies YES

@Mego how do you do transpose?

@(1)

10:59 PM

right now, any pyth speakers?

@Calvin'sHobbies Very slow songs - 1 second sleep.

@

@TanMath You already asked him that

@TanMath I know a little Pyth

@Sherlock9 magic

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