The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

3:00 AM

Tolerate = I've used them in some projects, and I don't hate them.

Calvin's Hobbies

@TheDoctor Whats the difference between 😁 and 😀? Is it like xD vs :D?

@AlexA. I disagree. You only like Julia and R.

Alex A.

To whomever feels 😞: I'm sorry :(

TanMath

Python and C++ is pretty much what I know

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Oh sorry, I forgot. Thanks.

TanMath

I know some good languages!

El'endia Starman

3:01 AM

My top two languages: Python and Blitz 2D/3D. The latter is what I used to produce all the images above.

Doorknob

My favorite language for quick and dirty scripts: Ruby. For big projects: it varies; sometimes C/C++, sometimes Python, maybe even Rust.

quartata

Rust is first on my list of languages I need to learn

TanMath

@Doorknob what is rust?

Doorknob

@TanMath rust-lang.org

TanMath

I want to finish learning Pyth, Seriously, and go on to learn CJam

phase

3:07 AM

@TanMath You don't want to learn O? I can see why...

Alex A.

:O

@Doorknob Rust seems nice but a little clunky, at least IMO. I haven't spent too much time on it, but any time I've tried to learn it I've found the syntax kind of odd.

TanMath

@phase i might...

Doorknob

@AlexA. What do you mean?

phase

@TanMath And I might try and find my GameCube memory card, but probably not.

TanMath

I was trying to lift your spirits up...

Alex A.

3:10 AM

@Doorknob It's been a while since I've looked at it so it's hard to come up with a concrete, illustrative example, but in comparison to the other languages I'm familiar with, accomplishing basic tasks in Rust just seems... clunky.

okay -_-

I'm sorry

strawpoll.me/6059013

@Doorknob From what I've seen of your Rust code, I do think you do it justice though. :)

Calvin's Hobbies

(sorry makers :P)

Doorknob

3:11 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies I'm gonna have to go with Seriously :P

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies I wish I could choose two...

Doorknob

@AlexA. ¯\_(:D)_/¯

El'endia Starman

Man, it's a toss-up between Seriously and O...

Alex A.

I like the name O

Doorknob

:O

El'endia Starman

3:13 AM

votes for Vitsy

Alex A.

No one has voted for my #2 yet

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. And O was it's name-O

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies O_O

quartata

Why isn't Rotor on that list :(

Alex A.

You want people to vote that its name is bad?

Calvin's Hobbies

3:14 AM

I think vitsy is ok namewise (@VoteToClose)

@quartata Forgot

quartata

@AlexA. No, not really.

Calvin's Hobbies

Rotor is not bad a name

Alex A.

Can I change my IP or whatever so I can vote again?

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. With TOR or something, yes

Alex A.

At least CJam doesn't have any votes

Sp3000

3:17 AM

What votes?

Calvin's Hobbies

strawpoll.me/6059013

@NinjaBearMonkey 'ello

NinjaBearMonkey

@Calvin'sHobbies \o

Alex A.

@NinjaB Oh-hoho-hello

Sp3000

"Worst name", oh ok. No need to vote here then

Alex A.

You like them all?

TanMath

3:18 AM

Mego is going to be angry!

El'endia Starman

Wait, Gol><> wasn't on the list!

Sp3000

I'd vote ESMin actually

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman I forgot that too ._.

El'endia Starman

I wouldn't have voted for it anyway. It's punny. :P

quartata

@Sp3000 hehe

undergroundmonorail

3:19 AM

of course, pb is such a good name that no one would ever vote for it. that's why it's not on there ;)

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000 That's....actually a good one to vote for.

Alex A.

I think it'd be easier for me to list the esolang names I do like.

Alien G

"Seriously" is an awesome name! If anyone asked something along the lines of "You actually made a language named "Seriously"?", then they'd get to reply with "Seriously"

quartata

30 rep away from 3k

Sp3000

Best names? I'd vote for Prindeal

Calvin's Hobbies

3:21 AM

:D

El'endia Starman

Prindeal? Haven't heard of that one...

Calvin's Hobbies

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Q: Print, Increment, Decrement, Alias - Interpret Prindeal

Prindeal (pronounced prin-dee-al) is a new esoteric programming language that only has four commands: print, increment, decrement, and alias. Despite its minimalism, complex mathematical operations can be done in Prindeal by cleverly combining the four commands. Your task in this code golf chall...

undergroundmonorail

hexagony is a great name

quartata

I have to say that Minkolang is actually a really really cool name

Probably my favorite

El'endia Starman

YAYYYYY!!! :D

@undergroundmonorail Agreed. Fantastic name.

quartata

3:25 AM

waiting for scrap tf be like zzzzz

Also, random 1 A.M thought of the day: Linus Torvalds thinks in Finnish.

Anonymous

@TanMath Hard to be angry when I voted for it too

Anonymous

Seriously is seriously the worst name

Alien G

So... Been coding a TCP server for 2 weeks now and now that I have the main framework up, which allows me to send any type and length message and handle internet loss (blah blah), I have no idea what to build off of it. (Any suggestions?)

Anonymous

@Dennis y u no post full test suite with Pyth :<

Anonymous

@AlienG Cat Facts

quartata

3:28 AM

@Mego More to the point, why didn't he say "verify all test cases at once"

Alien G

@Mego Cat... whaaa?

quartata

I hate it when he changes his format

Anonymous

@AlienG google it

quartata

Dennis's formats:

Try it online.

Try this fiddle online or verify all test cases at once.

Doorknob

Yay I did a golf in Perl! \o/

quartata

3:29 AM

Try it in the online CJam interpreter: Chrome | Firefox

Anonymous

Clearly Dennis sold his account and the imposter is doing a poor job

quartata

@Doorknob \o/

Alien G

@Mego What's the point of re-making whats been made? ;_;

quartata

This one was "Try this fiddle online or this test suite" which isn't his standard

Anonymous

@AlienG By reinventing the wheel, you not only learn more about the wheel, but also get the opportunity to explore different design choices

Alien G

3:30 AM

@Mego Great, I'll get to know more about cats. ;P

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlienG Are you the first to make a TCP server?

Sp3000

Make CalvinFacts

phase

When the Random Page button sends you to the main page

Alien G

I've just been beat with logic.

Sp3000

"Calvin has so many questions that he repcaps at 12:01 daily from past question upvotes"

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Calvin's Hobbies

3:32 AM

I wish..

Alien G

Though the wheel was already invented, cars were still great.

Sp3000

"Calvin has so many gold badges that...

... hmm.

Calvin's Hobbies

he uses them as toilet paper

eww..

Sp3000

Maybe we need MartinFacts

Calvin's Hobbies

"Martin's first words were print('Hello, world!')."

Sp3000

3:36 AM

"Bees don't make honey combs the way they do because of efficiency, they do that because Martin hexed them and now they're in agony."

8

Doorknob

Martin's scarf was manufactured with only 4 lines of code.

8

(Then Dennis came along and made a copy in 3.)

TanMath

Nobody saw my chemistry answer or didn't like it?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob "Dennis is simply a bot of Martin's."

@TanMath its double the size of other python answers

Sp3000

DennisFacts: When Dennis makes a pizza he finishes cooking the base first, then once every half hour he adds a topping. You can always try Dennis' pizzas online.

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TanMath

@Calvin'sHobbies it was the first... I am obviusly asking for help to golf it down.. was that not obvious?

Doorknob

3:40 AM

@Sp3000 hahaha

TanMath

@Sp3000 you do not have anything to say?

Doorknob

@TanMath It's only been an hour. I suggest that you be patient instead of repeatedly posting in chat about it, which will probably only waste your time :)

Calvin's Hobbies

@TanMath undergroundmonorail was trying to help you

TanMath

@Doorknob ok...

Sp3000

@TanMath If I had to suggest anything, it'd be aliasing i.find('H') as a variable and using string formatting instead of +s. But since I'm still out currently, I can't test (yes I can ideone, but it's nowhere near as efficient)

TanMath

3:43 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies will it still work for the updated version of my code?

Alex A.

Sounds like you should try and find out ;)

Calvin's Hobbies

^

TanMath

i guess it would

worked

Doorknob

Why don't you try running it?

TanMath

@Doorknob huh?

Dennis

3:46 AM

@Mego Because it's very slow. I've included the output on my desktop, showing that it passes all test cases.

Alex A.

@Doorknob He just did and he said it worked

TanMath

I just did!

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pencils Wrapped with Rubber Bands graphical-output (code-golf or code-challenge) (From here.) Now, obviously, these are not bound with rubber bands, but if they were, they would assume a generally circular shape (I had difficulty finding such an image via Google). The reason this happens is ...

Doorknob

... why don't you run it, to find out if it works?

TanMath

@Doorknob ?

Doorknob

3:47 AM

oh, ugh, my wifi is horrible at night

like 10 messages just appeared at once

Dennis

@quartata That's a thing from the past. Stoopid bug haz fix.

Alex A.

> Stoopid

lal

Anonymous

@Dennis You beat me to it :P I'm running a verification also

phase

la stupidio a la Alex

Dennis

@quartata There's also Try it online! now, which I reserve for links to the Try it online! family of online interpreters.

Alex A.

3:51 AM

@phase ಠ_ಠ

@Dennis Are you copyrighting "Try it online!"? So no one else can say that in their posts? :P

Sp3000

It's not "Try it online!", it's "Try it online!"

TanMath

alex-es-incorrecto

Dennis

My bad, it's actually "Try it online!".

Sp3000

Just like 99 and 99. Biiiig difference

Alex A.

alex-no-habla-español

Dennis

3:53 AM

@TanMath Tu español es incorrecto.

Sp3000

... nvm

TanMath

@Dennis no!

Anonymous

I wonder...

Anonymous

Darn

Alex A.

I really want to make an esolang called Try it online! now.

Dennis

3:54 AM

For context: shapescript.tryitonline.net | retina.tryitonline.net | hexagony.tryitonline.net

Sp3000

???

Oh right. That thing you made

Alex A.

All of the languages I make should have names that annoy PPCG users.

Doorknob

SpacesAreBetter

Anonymous

@AlexA. Seriously?

Anonymous

@Doorknob That's not annoying, that's correct

Alex A.

3:55 AM

@Mego That's on you, Mego. Don't pin that mess on me. :P

Doorknob

:D

The truth seems to annoy alarmingly many people, however

undergroundmonorail

@AlexA. make a language called "Perl (+1 for -p)"

Dennis

@AlexA. ???.tryitonline.net is not going to happen.

Anonymous

@AlexA. Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby

Anonymous

@undergroundmonorail and it's just Perl with the -p switch always on

Sp3000

3:56 AM

@Doorknob Second best name vote

Alex A.

@Dennis D: because of the URL? On GitHub it's qqq.

@Mego lel

Anonymous

@Dennis qqq.tryitoline.net

Alex A.

@undergroundmonorail lal

Dennis

tryitonline.net/??? could work...

undergroundmonorail

i want to try making an online interpreter for pb but i can't even make a good offline interpreter for pb in a language i actually know ;P

Anonymous

3:58 AM

Just follow my plan for Seriously:

Alex A.

@Dennis If you wanted to include ??? for some reason (it's not good I don't recommend it) then I recommend two things: Use BrainSteel's C interpreter, use qqq in the URL.

Anonymous

1. Make a bad language with a name sure to inspire puns
2. Write a poor interpreter
3. Get other shmucks to write the docs for you
4. Optimize it at some point maybe
5. ???
6. Profit!

Alex A.

@undergroundmonorail Probably because it's written in Python with tabs and Python standard indentation is 4 spaces.

Dennis

@AlexA. Yeah, qqq is the saner choice. Why would you recommend against including the language?

Alex A.

@Dennis It's shit

At least BrainSteel's version works :P

Anonymous

4:00 AM

@Dennis Your 23-byte Pyth answer fails some of the test cases :P

Anonymous

Specifically the ones that were written to fail with floating-point imprecision issues

Dennis

Yes, it does. The 24 byte version rounds to 7 decimal digits.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman The solver is still churning away at that hard problem from last night. Up to n=259247741 now, and still going.

Anonymous

I should've added a test case that breaks when rounding is used :P

Doorknob

The square root of a square thing? Or something else?

Anonymous

4:03 AM

The syzygy thing

Dennis

What is a colorama module and why do I need it?

El'endia Starman

@Mego That's better than what I got, right?

Anonymous

9, [860, 680, 660, 669, 112, 323, 285, 259, 613, 793]

Alex A.

@Dennis It's for colors and you need it for seeing colors with your eyes

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman No, it hasn't found a solution yet. Your solution was 361 million or so

undergroundmonorail

4:05 AM

colorama lets you do ANSI colour codes on windows

El'endia Starman

@Mego Yeah, that's what I thought.

Anonymous

It should hit 361 million around 3 am (5 hours from now) at this rate

Anonymous

For a total of like 27 hours of runtime

Alex A.

@Dennis Colorama lets you do ANSI color codes on Windows

El'endia Starman

Oh, it's counting up?

Anonymous

4:06 AM

Yeah

El'endia Starman

And hasn't found a solution yet?

Anonymous

Yep

El'endia Starman

ahhhh, okay

Anonymous

Easier and better to count up than down

Dennis

@undergroundmonorail Oh, your interpreter has colors?

undergroundmonorail

4:07 AM

yeah

Anonymous

Counting down involves division (which sucks) and keeping track of the best-yet solution (also sucks)

El'endia Starman

Gotcha.

undergroundmonorail

5

A: Draw the national flag of France

pb, 68 bytes cw[Y!52]{cccw[X!26]{b[77]>}ccccw[X!52]{b[77]>}cw[X!78]{b[77]>}<[X]v} Wow, a challenge that pb is actually kinda good for! Those are few and far between. When I was writing the spec for pb, I included coloured output mostly as a joke. The language was named after a "paintbrush", w...

Anonymous

Counting up is just modular multiplication, which is ezpz

undergroundmonorail

this is basically the only good use of coloured output i've ever had :P

Anonymous

4:10 AM

@undergroundmonorail ahem

Anonymous

37

A: Draw the national flag of France

Python 2, 47 bytes s="[3%smF";print(s%4*26+s%7*26+s%1*26+"\n")*30 Contains unprintables - here's a hexdump (reversible with xxd -r): 00000000: 733d 221b 5b33 2573 3b31 6d46 223b 7072 s=".[3%s;1mF";pr 00000010: 696e 7428 7325 342a 3236 2b73 2537 2a32 int(s%4*26+s%7*2 00000020: 362b 7325 312a...

Anonymous

Or did you mean specifically with pb?

undergroundmonorail

i meant with pb :P

Anonymous

Ahh

Anonymous

Thought you were dissing my answer

phase

4:11 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Trump needs your help to stop the Starman! A man from the stars has come to Earth! Luckily the president of the United States, Donald Trump, has an infinity-sided dice. Using this dice, he can conjure up a number which you, the mayor of Podunk, must use to determine who should be sent to stop th...

Donald Trump and Earthbound, what more do you want in life?

TanMath

you are a trump fan?

El'endia Starman

@phase ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

@phase Neither of those

El'endia Starman

(I hope it's clear why I'm being disapproving.)

phase

@TanMath maybe just a tad

@El'endiaStarman it twas not

Alex A.

4:13 AM

@phase I can't tell if you're just trollin' as usual...

@El'endiaStarman Clearly you just hate Earthbound. :P

phase

@AlexA. This is a real challenge that I've been thinking of for a while :P

El'endia Starman

I am not a bad guy!

I swear!

phase

But is the idea about Lucas/Fibo numbers good?

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman i believe you...

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Trump needs your help to stop the Starman! A man from the stars has come to Earth! Luckily the president of the United States, Donald Trump, has an infinity-sided die. Using this die, he can conjure up a number which you, the mayor of Podunk, must use to determine who should be sent to stop the ...

El'endia Starman

4:16 AM

So, basically, it's FizzBuzz but with Fibonacci and Lucas?

TanMath

@NewSandboxedPosts you too slow

phase

@El'endiaStarman Not really.... or at all..... I have no clue how you conjured up that idea in that skull of yours...

7 is a prime number but is a Lucas number

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman You should try answering syzygy, it's about time for someone other than Dennis to post an answer :P

TanMath

@Mego Dennis is the fasted golfer.. So what if he answers it first?

@phase already working on answering your challenge!

phase

@TanMath I haven't even posted it yet :P

Alex A.

4:27 AM

You have +1/-1 on it

TanMath

@phase yeah.. sandbox can give people an advantage on answering the questions.. I bet it will be posted..nice question.. not that hard to code the fibonacci part, the lucas part is a bit difficult

phase

@AlexA. I noticed that :P

Dennis

Hm, I thought clicking a man from the stars would lead me to a PPCG profile...

Alex A.

:D

I thought so too

phase

oh darn changing that right away

Alex A.

4:28 AM

I figured it would lead us to a chat star troll

TanMath

@Dennis me too.

Alex A.

(You know, or to El'endia Starman)

Doorknob

make it a localhost link xD

2

Alex A.

ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

Seriously has a serious advantage for the Fibonacci bit, but the Lucas bit removes any sort of advantage

TanMath

4:29 AM

@Doorknob hahaha!

@Mego you plan to write an answer in Seriously? once I get the algorithim for the lucas part, I could work on one...

Anonymous

@TanMath Probably. I need to use my own language more

TanMath

@Mego wat?! thou capricious homo sapien!

Alex A.

In what way is Mego capricious?

TanMath

@AlexA. mego was first like "more people should use my language! seriously use it!" now he is like "I need to use my own language! nobody else!"

Alex A.

Well, "more people" doesn't have to include himself. :P

TanMath

4:34 AM

@AlexA. huh?

Alex A.

He could say that he wants more people to use it but that doesn't necessarily imply that he wants to use it himself.

phase

@TanMath What language are you writing it in?

Anonymous

I want more people to use my language. More people also includes me, because I barely use it.

TanMath

@phase python...

phase

@TanMath sounds radical

El'endia Starman

4:35 AM

@Mego Only problem is that I am far more interested in it as fastest-code than code-golf... :P

TanMath

@Mego but if you are going to use it for code golf challenges, who will? you already wrote an answer, so for that challenge, somebody else cannot...

@Mego plus.. I am going to say the sacred word...dibs!...there, I said it!

Alex A.

There can be multiple answers in the same language

TanMath

@AlexA. not very likely

Anonymous

^^

Anonymous

I doubt our approaches will be identical

Alex A.

4:36 AM

Why not likely?

phase

not very likely = like every question

Alex A.

I routinely see multiple Python, multiple CJam, multiple Pyth...

TanMath

@Mego you agree with me?!

Alex A.

It wouldn't be very fun if once someone used a language for a challenge, no one else could use it.

Dennis

Sometimes I post more than one answer in the same language.

different approaches == different answers

Anonymous

4:38 AM

@TanMath No, I was agreeing with Alex. You messed up the carrot

Alex A.

@Mego FTFY

phase

@Dennis oh now that's just cheating. Somebody's going to call the cops, and their name may rhyme with CosineEnglish.

Anonymous

@AlexA. I fixed it myself

Alex A.

@Mego I edited your post to add a second caret... Did we do it at the same time? o_O

Anonymous

@AlexA. Yes

Alex A.

4:39 AM

Huh

Ok

Anonymous

You got the edit in first

Dennis

Now it just looks like an emoticon. If anything, you should have moved the carrot to the right.

Anonymous

so I got ninjo'd

Anonymous

But I was the last edit, so mine is the one that matters :P

Anonymous

I appreciate the help btw :P

Alex A.

4:40 AM

:P

phase

I've been waiting kirby to fix a bug in O that I never told him about, and I got upset for a second that he hadn't worked on it.

Anonymous

Now go answer my challenge

Anonymous

@phase Are you my gf?

phase

@Mego Gorilla friends 4 lyfe

Anonymous

Yeah that too

phase

4:45 AM

I'd answer it but it looks really complicated

Anonymous

@phase I want to believe the silence in the chat is just all of us holding back smartass remarks

quintopia

womwomwom

which challenge?

Michelfrancis Bustillos

cricket*cricket*

Anonymous

@quintopia Mine

quintopia

is it the rainbow one?

Anonymous

4:57 AM

I haven't posted a rainbow challenge

Anonymous

It would be neat if there was a way to see all of the questions a user has posted. That would make it really easy to figure out which one I was talking about.

quintopia

yeah i'm struggling. i only know the "showcase your language" one

Anonymous

That isn't a challenge, that's a mystery

Anonymous

It's such a mystery that I may not even remember what the special string is

Sparr

I got about ten examples into the pyth documentation and gave up.

It's just too hard for me to keep all the one-letter functions in my head

phase

5:01 AM

@Sparr same

Sparr

I wonder if I could write an update to the web interpreter that would let you hover over a character in the source and show you its docs AND its parameters, highlighted in the code

Anonymous

Probably

Sparr

would require writing a partial interpreter in javascript, I think

Anonymous

Nah

Anonymous

Just $('#character').hover(function(){showDocs();});

phase

5:05 AM

woah you can do that?!

JS seems like fun, but any time I code it it turns out like garbage.

Anonymous

@phase jquery magicks

Anonymous

You'd have to do some trickery though to be able to distinguish individual characters

El'endia Starman

@Sparr My Minkolang online interpreter has something very similar.

Anonymous

@Sparr stackoverflow.com/a/21114339/2508324

Sparr

@Mego I'm more interested in highlighting the parameters

Anonymous

5:13 AM

Meh

Sp3000

At least Pyth isn't too hard to parse, comparatively speaking

Anonymous

Yeah, PN is easy

Calvin's Hobbies

@Sp3000 Does pyth/cjam have preset fraction variables? e.g. 1/2, 2/3

Anonymous

You don't even need a full interpreter, just recognition of operators and order of operations

Sparr

don't some functions have optional parameters?

phase

5:17 AM

Strings don't need closing quotes in O anymore

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies Nope. CJam has no float variables, Pyth has only two numeric ones (0 and 10).

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Think they would be useful in a golfing language?

Sp3000

@Calvin'sHobbies Gol><> does whistles

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies Seriously is about to :P

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies From time to time, but not very often. Most of our challenges don't use floats. CJam has 18 predefined numeric variables, but I'd rather have 10 more one-char operators.

Anonymous

5:23 AM

Actually, Dennis has a point

Anonymous

I just need to make more one-char operators :P

phase

I had a funny idea for a shirt that had the ACDC logo but it had OCD with the C missing on the end.

Anonymous

Have funnier ideas

phase

thanks for letting me down easy

Anonymous