The Nineteenth Byte

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Anonymous

@TheDoctor # coding: cp437

Anonymous

5:10 PM

I really should just refactor the Seriously interpreter so that it expects a list of bytes as input

@El'endiaStarman No looks cool though

Anonymous

That'll help a lot in the python 3 transition

I have 52 github repos

Anonymous

Btw I got the offer today to make Seriously a new-layout repo, I did it

@Mego i think that's just the style of the page, not per-repo

Anonymous

5:13 PM

@TheDoctor It is per-repo

Haskell is cool and lets you do all sorts of neat stuff:

fibonacci :: Integer -> Integer;
fibonacci 0 = 0;
fibonacci 1 = 1;
fibonacci x = fibonacci(x-1) + fibonacci(x-2);
main = do i <- getLine; print(fibonacci (read i :: Integer));

Anonymous

Or not

Anonymous

Huh

Anonymous

It said it was per-repo

(before anyone asks why I'm starting with 0 1 it's really starting with an index of 1 not 0)

So the "first" Fibonacci number here is 1

5:15 PM

@Mego not for me

Anonymous

> Or not
Huh
It said it was per-repo

Anonymous

Maybe I just misread it

Try it online

just go to another repo and see if it stays

Anonymous

5:26 PM

Trying to support both Python 2 and Python 3 is a nightmare

Anonymous

Especially when I'm not used to all of the string intracacies of Python 3

@Mego Why bother?

I mean, most people have both versions. Just pick one.

Anonymous

@quartata Because I plan on eventually moving all the way over to python 3

Anonymous

But until the python3 branch is stable, I'm still developing in 2

Hm

5:32 PM

Hello, everyone!

Anonymous

Hi Alex

9 hours ago, by Sp3000

Hi Alex

Anonymous

We're not original in our making fun of Alex

Lazy evaluation is actually a really interesting idea; however I think it would be nice if (like OCaml does I believe) Haskell provided a "force" method that turned it off for a certain call

Does anyone know if Haskell has something like that?

phase

Why is this 128 bytes? Each of these characters is below 255 mothereff.in/…

5:38 PM

@phase UTF-8?

Not using unsigned bytes for some reason?

phase

Does UTF-8 have different characters for bytes 127-255?

Anonymous

128-255, yes

Anonymous

Bytes 128-255 in UTF-8 aren't single characters; they're either invalid or act like pointers to other tables

Anonymous

For example, C2 A9 in ISO-8859-1 is Â©, but is © in UTF-8

Anonymous

5:49 PM

C2 "points" to the Latin-1 table (aka bytes 128-255 of ISO-8859-1) in UTF-8, and the next byte, A9, yields ©

Anonymous

So in UTF-8, only ordinals 0-127 are single bytes; the rest are interpreted as prefixes to multiple-byte sequences

@Mego Why don't you point us to a Wikipedia page, it will be much easier :)

Anonymous

Because this is a simplified explanation of what the Wiki page says

Feb 1 '11 at 0:22, by sepp2k

Haskell is stupid. It's function names have too many different letters.

Just felt like going through the transcript for some reason

Feb 3 '11 at 22:51, by Juan

Ok, I give in, this weekend I'm learning golf script

Feb 3 '11 at 22:52, by Juan

It's driving me nuts seeing all those answers that best mine and not knowing how any of them work

s/golf script/Pyth/g

Anonymous

s/Pyth/CJam/g

Anonymous

5:58 PM

s/CJam/gs2/g

@Mego This isn't true, gs2 is actually really simple.

Pyth (to me at least) makes no sense though.

Anonymous

s/gs2/<all the new golfing esolangs coming out of the woodworks now>/g

Anonymous

Vitsy/Seriously/O/Rotor/5-blocks-on-anything-but-Firefox/Gol><>/TeaScript/Japt

Feb 9 '11 at 3:31, by gnibbler

my golfscript for graham's number runs fast enough (just) but is still longer than Python :(

Those were the days...

Anonymous

The glorious days of Python superiority

Anonymous

6:01 PM

And then Pyth was made and some wept while others rejoiced

Anonymous

Fast-forward to Seriously, it's weeping and puns all the way down

Nah, CJam came first

Still funny to think that there was a time where Python could beat the standard golfing lang

Anonymous

Rarely happens now

This was 2011 after all

A time where gnibbler still had his vocal cords

Anonymous

It's a shame about his accident

Anonymous

6:04 PM

Nobody knew llamas like larynxes

:'(

Whoa a wild SE employee appears

Anonymous

sets coffee trap

Jan 28 '11 at 4:38, by Chris Jester-Young

tap tap tap Anybody here?

Wow that was a long time ago

Anonymous

You should not have tapped on the chat

6:06 PM

@quartata Yeah, I am user #3 after all. And no, wasn't an employee back then, either.

Anonymous

Look what (eventually) happened

@ChrisJester-Young I know...

Doorknob

I remember when this chatroom used to get like 5 messages at most every day, sometimes none. It wasn't even called The Nineteenth Byte back then :P

sniff our greatest pro-tem snapped up by the jaws of our cruel dictators

Awwww....

Anonymous

6:07 PM

It's just a matter of time before Doorknob gets hired :P

I'm not sure Doorknob can legally work in the U.S yet

Doorknob

^ :P

In a couple years I'm sure they'll be coming for him though

sniff

Anonymous

Once they figure out how a doorknob is capable of typing, they'll grab him

Anonymous

@quartata Wow I knew the rest of the country didn't like Texas but that's a whole new level

6:09 PM

@Mego And here I thought it was about child labour laws, but okay.

Anonymous

@ChrisJester-Young You guys have those in not-Texas?

It was, but Mego is trying to imitate Alex's sense of humor

And failing!

Anonymous

@quartata No I'm not, I'm actually funny

Anonymous

In Texas, from the moment babies pop out, they're expected to hop in the tractor and get to work

@quartata hah, I started reading about Haskell yesterday... That's about as far as I got...

6:12 PM

@MartinBüttner So far I'm pretty excited about Haskell actually

It looks like it doesn't completely suck

Anonymous

I tried to run a Haskell program once. It didn't work. That's the entirety of my experience with the language.

@Mego That means you aren't trying hard enough. You must learn you a Haskell for great good.

Now you're making me want to implement golfing-language-du-jour in Haskell.

@ChrisJester-Young So you can't use it after today?

Anonymous

@quartata Eventually.

6:13 PM

Better get cracking on it.

@quartata BTW remember that (very recent) time I best Ruby with Labyrinth? The answer now also beats Perl, Matlab, python and Julia and is tied with Vitsy and ESMin ;)

@MartinBüttner ooh

@quartata Lol.

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner I think you mean 5-blocks-on-everything-but-Firefox

@ChrisJester-Young Wow, I'm typing with very poor grammar today.

Fixed so the joke makes sense

6:14 PM

;-)

@quartata I think this is how Fibonacci numbers are supposed to be defined.

Anonymous

I had to google what "du jour" meant, but I laughed once I understood

@Mego yeah that

@MartinBüttner Yeah, but sometimes people get a little too computer sciencey and kill people who use stuff that isn't 0 indexed

I myself hated Octave for many years because stuff was 1 indexed

Anonymous

@quartata That's how I have fib numbers defined in Seriously :P

6:16 PM

It is though, if you consider the Fibonacci numbers starting at 0

Anonymous

@quartata Oh man you should try VB/.NET

Anonymous

Dim var As Integer(5) means create a 6-element array

@MartinBüttner It does depend on who you're talking to though. Some people start it at 1,1 not 0,1,1

@Mego what

I was trying to learn Visual Basic yesterday but now I think I'll just give up.

Why, why would it mean make a 6-element array?

Doorknob

@quartata Why would you want to learn Visual Basic? O_o

Anonymous

@quartata Dim var as Type(n) defines a variable var, an array whose elements are of type Type, where the maximum index is n.

6:19 PM

@Mego I see

@Doorknob Because one of the things on my bucket list is to learn all the .NET languages

C#, F#, VB and whatever else they've got in that hellhole

Anonymous

So the valid indices are in [0,n], whereas in every sane language they're in [0,n)

@Mego I guess that makes sense, if you're crazy.

'Tis a pity Mac users can't install Visual Studio

Anonymous

@Sock Mono

@Sock I'm on Linux.

The magic of Mono

6:21 PM

Mono?

@Sock Mono.

You know, that thing that'll probably get DMCA'd by Microsoft in 10 years or sew

Monopoly?

mono-project.com

@quartata sew?

Mono is a free and open source project led by Xamarin (formerly by Novell and originally by Ximian) to create an Ecma standard-compliant, .NET Framework-compatible set of tools including, among others, a C# compiler and a Common Language Runtime. The logo of Mono is a stylized monkey's face, mono being Spanish for monkey. The stated purpose of Mono is not only to be able to run Microsoft .NET applications cross-platform, but also to bring better development tools to Linux developers. Mono can be run on many software systems including Android, most Linux distributions, BSD, OS X, Windows, Solaris...

@Doorknob I like using weird words in weird situations

Anonymous

6:23 PM

@quartata To make things better, the System.Collections.Generic types act like sane types - List(Of String)(200) makes a list of strings whose initial capacity is 200 (not 201)

I just noticed something on the wikipedia page for Mono:

> Written in: C, C#, XML

> Written in: XML

> XML

Anonymous

Oh, and this all is breaking the behavior of previous VB versions, where Dim var(10) as Integer made a 10-length array (with indices in [1,10])

Anonymous

(earlier example should be Dim var(n) As Type)

So they pulled a Python 3?

Anonymous

?

Anonymous

6:25 PM

Sort of

@quartata ?????

Anonymous

Python 3 broke backwards compatibility to uphold the principle that there should be one correct way to do things

so no more??

Anonymous

(more functions, less statements, consistent behavior, and one way to "spell" something)

Anonymous

VB.NET broke backwards compatibility because Microsoft logic

6:32 PM

TIL you can add feeds to rooms where you are the room owner, and the "New Main Posts" bot is actually a feed

Interesting

Too bad the RSS feed is super slow

twoyearsagoILearned that, yes

mbomb007

@quartata The 0th Fibonacci number is 0. The 1st is 1.

And the -1st number is 1.

So it's correct to say that the first Fib number is 1, but by no means is the the start of the sequence, since the sequence in infinite in both directions.

Nathan Merrill

I'm surprised we don't have an "implement SHA-2" challenge

@quartata if it helps googling, apparently the opposite of lazy evaluation in Haskell is called strict.