The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

00:11

Btw @BrainSteel, I have no idea how to do the toggling bit with the single and double quotes.

Is there another good punctuation candidate for brackets?

Also need something for < and >.

BrainSteel

Perhaps : and ; could work for brackets, but then I have no idea about < and >.

If you have some global is_open = 1 variable, every time you encounter an ' while parsing you can is_open = !is_open, and then at ", you if(is_open) { new_command = open_bracket;}else{new_command = close_bracket;}

Then you can iterate over your list of commands and match up the bracket types.

(my bracket logic starts on line 171)

Alex A.

Oh crap, a mod showed up. Act natural, everybody.

Sp3000

<(^.^<)

^^ natural (for this chat)

Alex A.

@BrainSteel Do you have a GitHub account?

BrainSteel

Yes, but it's never been used. I told myself I was going to learn how to use it one day...

Alex A.

00:23

There's a GUI version for Mac that makes things pretty easy.

BrainSteel

Oh?

Alex A.

@BrainSteel Oh.

BrainSteel

I'm on it :D Anywho, why do you ask?

Alex A.

Once I create a repo and push this to it, want write access?

BrainSteel

Yeah, I'll be glad to see if I can help!

ETHproductions

00:27

@AlexA. Whatcha working on?

Alex A.

@ETHproductions A programming language, trying to finish it before Martin posts his challenge at 7-8am UTC.

ETHproductions

Good luck!

Alex A.

Thanks! :)

BrainSteel

Ooooh, this GUI does help. I think I'm all set up.

Alex A.

Nice. I haven't set up the repo for this yet but I'll give you full access once I do

ETHproductions

00:34

I ought to learn Git and GitHub sometime soon

Alex A.

It's definitely a great thing to know.

GitHub has a little git intro that you can do as well which is helpful for learning.

ETHproductions

Alright, I'll make sure to check it out!

I'm planning put my language on there after I learn how to use these tools.

Alex A.

Oh yeah? What's your language?

@BrainSteel It'll be a bit before I set up the repo. I'm going to get some food and I want to get it into a usable state before I make it public and embarass myself.

(the code, not the food)

ETHproductions

It's an esoteric, stack-based language called 7.

BrainSteel

That's quite alright, I have some boring non-computer-based work to do.

ETHproductions

00:40

I talked with BrainSteel about it the other night, let me find you a link...

Alex A.

@BrainSteel Gross.

ETHproductions

@AlexA. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23442492#23442492

Alex A.

@ETHproductions Oh I remember reading that!

Sounds like a neat language. :) I wish you luck with it.

ETHproductions

Cool :)

Thanks! I'll try to work on it some throughout this week, and hopefully have v0.1 up by the weekend.

I have the main functions planned out; all I have to do is code them into the interpreter.

BrainSteel

I'll be back in an hour and a half or so. I'm going to publish that BrainF>>k interpreter later. The goal is to have it be able to parse several different BF-equivalent derivatives with different command line flags.

ETHproductions

00:46

Right now I'm trying to invent another solution to the Minecraft Mirrored challenge from a few weeks ago.

Encoding 6 base-6 digits into one Unicode character is a fun idea, but not working out...

According to the mothereff.in byte counter, ĀĀĀĄĄĀĀĀĀǀĀ膀Ő℀ᄀĈ㈠膀ƃπ脐⅂٨℀ⱈǀ脕脐݀鄀ƈ℔ĜƤĀ鄀䤄 is 89 bytes, so it may not even be worth it.

ETHproductions

01:26

Oh well, at least I shaved my second answer by 60+ bytes

Now 75+ bytes

Goodnight

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Rational Roots In this challenge you are to find all rational zeroes of a polynomial. The results have to be exact. I would suggest using The Rational Root Theorem. Input Input can be through function argument, command argument, or user input. Input will be a polynomial. The polynomial may...

undergroundmonorail

02:59

a good funtime activity is reading old meta posts re: issues that have since been settled and reading people's arguments for the losing side

Alex A.

:P

Do you have a favorite example to share?

undergroundmonorail

i haven't actually done it in a while, i don't know why i thought of it now

Alex A.

Ah, okay. It does sound amusing.

undergroundmonorail

off the top of my head: there used to be people who thought having any kind of bonus should make your question uneligible for code-golf and be posted as code-challenge instead

Alex A.

I didn't know that but the fact that some folks thought that doesn't surprise me at all.

undergroundmonorail

03:04

there used to be people who thought popularity-contest was good for this site. plot twist: i used to be one of them *shudder*

er

i meant code-trolling

popcon is fine

Doorknob

@undergroundmonorail I also used to be one of these people :/

It was a huge benefit though.

Alex A.

That tag brought a stupid amount of traffic to the site.

undergroundmonorail

to my own credit, even when i was okay with code trolling questions i remember thinking the name was stupid. at least i had sound mind in that regard

Doorknob

The analytics graphs show a huge spike right when code-trolling happened, and the numbers have consistently been ~10x higher since then.

Alex A.

^ better way of saying what I said

undergroundmonorail

03:06

i'm happy for the long-term results of it, but also glad we don't do it any more

Alex A.

halp can add 1 to 2 plz do

ned jqery

Doorknob

Alex A.

We have underhanded which I'm personally not a fan of. I think it toes the line of code trolling.

undergroundmonorail

i agree, but i don't think it's currently bad enough to do anything about

Alex A.

Oh yeah, it's not out of hand or anything.

@Doorknob This is exactly what I was thinking of. Lol @ bobince's badges

undergroundmonorail

03:09

@AlexA. i've seen that image so many times and never noticed that, haha

Alex A.

I also love the related questions

> Where are my legs?

undergroundmonorail

i remember one time someone posted a code trolling question that was literally just a bad SO question written by someone who was clearly new to programming

Alex A.

:/

undergroundmonorail

at what point does it stop being "a bad challenge" and start being "actual bullying"

Alex A.

When you post someone's honest (if poorly phrased or misguided) question as a challenge to be funny.

undergroundmonorail

03:12

i agree

man, why am i so mad about this thing that was resolved in may 2014

Alex A.

What, code trolling?

undergroundmonorail

yeah

this time i'll try blocking out all instances of the names :P

Dennis

Too late. :D

undergroundmonorail

Geobits

...

Alex A.

03:18

haha

Doorknob

slowly claps

Alex A.

On an unrelated note, my bread tastes like garlic. It is not garlic bread.

Dennis

Throw it out.

Geobits

On a scale from 1 to 933, how sure are you that it's not garlic bread?

Alex A.

I am 4 sure not garlic

@Dennis I just bought it today. And I like garlic bread.

And by today, I mean just two hours ago.

undergroundmonorail

03:21

@AlexA. garlic bread is, like, my favourite food. i could eat it for every meal. or just all day without even stopping

Dennis

If it's not supposed to taste like garlic, I wouldn't eat it anyway. Arsine tastes like garlic, for example.

Alex A.

@Dennis I don't know what that word means but sounds like it's similar to my last name.

@undergroundmonorail Thai food is best food.

undergroundmonorail

Alex is a descendant of the mathematician who invented inverse trig functions, Mr. Arcsine

Geobits

@AlexA. 4 is not very sure on a scale from 1 to 933.

Dennis

@AlexA. It's an arsenic compound. If you ate it two hours ago and can still work a keyboard, you're probably fine.

Alex A.

03:24

@Dennis I bought it two hours ago. I ate it just now.

Geobits

Give it two hours, then :P

Alex A.

So if I randomly stop typing, I may have gone to the hospital.

undergroundmonorail

@AlexA. I was quoting a movie but I will take that into consideration if I ever have a chance to eat Thai food

Alex A.

@undergroundmonorail Okay, two things. 1.) What movie? 2.) You've never had Thai food?

undergroundmonorail

1. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World 2. Mostly I just eat peanut butter

Alex A.

03:26

You should have Thai peanut sauce.

It's like peanut butter but incredible.

Also, chunky or smooth?

If I die from ass poisoning or whatever, I want that to be my final question.

undergroundmonorail

Smooth on a day-to-day basis but I can appreciate chunky once in a while

Geobits

Ass poisoning is easy to avoid. Eat with your mouth.

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Doorknob

out of context quote of the day?

Geobits

Just sayin'.

Alex A.

It's important advice.

PSA: Food goes in your mouth, not your ass.

BrainSteel

03:32

Scribbles undergroundmonorail in the list of smooth-peanut-butter-loving-uncivilized-monkeys

Geobits

Smooth is more refined. If anything, chunky is the unfinished product, suitable for uncivilized folk.

BrainSteel

It's just the right amount of unfinished, mind you!

Geobits

It's like beta peanut butter.

undergroundmonorail

undergroundmonorail.tumblr.com/post/108101996009/…

3

BrainSteel

Beta software has a kind of rustic charm to it!

Geobits

03:35

Note: I didn't star that for the terrible song joke. I did it for the page title ;)

undergroundmonorail

it's a good page title

Alex A.

Hm. Is Dik Fuk your actual name?

BrainSteel

Are you truly a dongsmasher? Take us through a day in the life of the dongsmasher.

Geobits

I imagine there's lots of dongsmashing, but other than that it's a mystery.

Alex A.

He rides the underground monorail to Dongsmash, New Jersey.

undergroundmonorail

03:38

the origin of dik fuk the dongsmasher if anyone is curious

the spelling is different in that video though

Geobits

See now I'm confused. You're an enemy in a game? Did you have to do motion capture of dongsmashing?

undergroundmonorail

this is all correct

Geobits

So I guess I can just buy the game to find out about it. Cool.

Alex A.

03:52

When we were in elementary school, a friend of mine tried to convince me that "OK" stood for "Oll Korrect," which apparently was the old English way of spelling "all correct."

He's in prison now.

undergroundmonorail

huh

i'm glad i never lied about etymology, didn't realize they'll jail you for that

Alex A.

It's a serious offense.

Geobits

etymonline.com/index.php?term=ok

He should appeal.

Alex A.

WHAT.

undergroundmonorail

"old english" is still clearly false though

Alex A.

03:58

(To be clear, he is in prison, but for non-etymological charges)

Geobits

A minor technicality. He should still appeal.

Alex A.

Given that his reasons for being there are entirely unrelated, I think the appeals court wouldn't consider his case.

undergroundmonorail

worth a shot

Geobits

Yea, what else does he have to do with his time in prison?

BrainSteel

He went to prison for knowingly buying smooth peanut butter, didn't he?

Alex A.

04:02

Some weird stuff that I don't really want to get into...

Geobits

Oh, the chunky stuff.

Alex A.

@BrainSteel He only likes smooth from what I remember growing up.

BrainSteel

That's where it all went wrong...

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Q: Counting from 1 to an Integer... In Hexadecimal

Intro: This is a twist on a previous question of mine: Counting from 1 to an Integer... in Binary. Many of this question's rules and that question's rules are the same. Here is the intro from that question: I remember, when I was a kid, I would get a calculator and keep on pressing the + ...

code-golf

Geobits

Dave had a chunky peanut butter sandwich. While eating it, a chunk of peanut lodged in the space between his teeth. While using a toothpick to remove it, he stabbed himself in the cheek. The blood from his wound caused him to slip and fall. As a result, he couldn't pick up the kids from soccer practice. His wife tried to call, but went unanswered. Enraged, she filed for divorce on the way home. They have a stepfather now. Don't give your kids a stepfather; eat smooth peanut butter.

Alex A.

04:08

What... the hell

Doorknob

Found the DirecTV employee...

BrainSteel

The blood from his wound caused him to slip and fall Which cheek did he stab, exactly? ;)

Geobits

It was a serious stab wound. Not pretty. Blood pouring out of his mouth and everything.

BrainSteel

His wife needs to calm her 'tude.

Geobits

It was merely the last straw in a broken marriage, but still could have been avoided by using the proper peanut butter.

BrainSteel

04:11

Ah, the plot thickens...

Geobits

There were a couple extra lines to fill in some blanks, but the message was too long and I didn't want to break it into two. You got the abridged version.

undergroundmonorail

Devil's advocate: If it's a broken marriage, it's probably for the best if they go their separate ways. It sucks in the moment, but.. rip off the bandage, dawg

Geobits

^ Very good advice

Kinda ruins the peanut butter argument, though, so I deny it.

BrainSteel

Peanut Gruel really made him evaluate his life, and he arguably became a better man because of it.

Alex A.

@BrainSteel I'm testing the code now. I'm about to run the first test and I'm expecting it to crash and burst into glorious flames.

BrainSteel

04:22

We can only hope that the next flames be slightly less glorious.

Alex A.

Hmm

Thread 1: EXC_BAD_ACCESS

:/

BrainSteel

Did you try to write to a NULL?

Alex A.

I don't know what that means.

Unrelated: Using 3 spaces as an indent is what killed the dinosaurs.

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BrainSteel

You usually get an EXC_BAD_ACCESS when you try to write to memory that you don't have permission to write to. Since many pointers are initially initialized to NULL (something you definitely can't write to), this happens to me because I fail to allocate things.

Alex A.

XCode flagged this: if (*env.ip == '\'')

So that shouldn't be writing anything, right?

BrainSteel

04:32

What is env.ip initialized to/set to?

A read can cause a bad access too, I believe.

Alex A.

typedef char CELL;
typedef std::vector<CELL> instruction_t;
typedef instruction_t::iterator instruction_pointer;
typedef std::vector<CELL> memory_t;
typedef memory_t::iterator memory_pointer;
struct environment {
    memory_t memory;
    instruction_t instructions;
    instruction_pointer ip; // THIS RIGHT HERE
    ...
};

So env.ip is an iterator for a vector of chars. If the vector is empty would that cause a bad access?

undergroundmonorail

I don't know C\+?\+? but I would assume trying to compare the value of something you've never given a value could cause issues.

BrainSteel

My hunch is yes.

Alex A.

It should have a value somewhere in here

As I mentioned before, most of this is being used from a BF implementation I found on GitHub and I don't understand C++ very well.

BrainSteel

Somewhere, you should allocate memory to env.ip. By default, it is probably either garbage or NULL, neither of which probably have read/write privileges :P

Alex A.

04:37

Inside the struct: environment : memory(3000) { clear(); mp = memory.begin(); }

also void clear() { instructions.clear(); ip = instructions.begin(); }

BrainSteel

Somewhere when you start interpreting, it looks like you should have some line like env.ip = env.instructions.begin(); (line 200 in that github repo)

That likely allocates/initializes the memory, so should get rid of the bad access.

Alex A.

That's in there

BrainSteel

Hrrm... Is it loading the file properly?

Alex A.

I... have no idea

whether it is or how to check

BrainSteel

It looks like some kind of stream.is_open() call to check if the file loaded in C++. (line 59) Sorry, I'm mostly guessing at things from my little knowledge of C++ and the repo.

Are you initializing env.instructions with the data from the file?

Alex A.

04:47

Hmmmmmm I don't know :|

Do you have XCode?

BrainSteel

I do, yes.

Alex A.

If I put the entire .xcodeproj and everything on GitHub, want to try it out?

BrainSteel

Yeah, I'll be glad to take a look!

Alex A.

<3

Give me a few minutes, will git it up there (heh heh, git pun)

BrainSteel

I thought I was done with Martin's Quiz challenge, but I just noticed how terribly broken my code is. Ah, darn.

Alex A.

05:06

@BrainSteel ok

BrainSteel

What line is the crash?

Alex A.

187

Called at 254

which is called from main at 70

BrainSteel

Ah, I think I understand. The code you have that labels the opening and closing quotes seems fishy to me.

I think it fails to find an "open bracket" and goes too far into memory it's not allowed to read.

Alex A.

Oh, okay. How fix

Peter Taylor

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Q: Factor a polynomial over a finite field or the integers

Without using any built-in factoring/polynomial functions, factor a polynomial completely into irreducibles over the integers or a finite field. Input Your program/function will receive some prime (or zero) number n as input. The field/ring is the finite field of that order (ie $\def\Z{\mathbb ...

code-golf math polynomials abstract-algebra

BrainSteel

05:14

I think I have an idea. Let me try some things real quick.

Alex A.

Okay. You have push access fyi

BrainSteel

Do you have some test file I can use?

Thanks! (I'm still figuring out git, this may get a little bit sloppy)

Alex A.

I'm bad at git, so it's probably already pretty sloppy :P

@BrainSteel Kind of, but I made it by drinking beer and typing a bunch of profanity, so I'd rather not post it.

BrainSteel

Hahaha, that sounds so honest. For one thing, are you sure that it's valid code?

Alex A.

Not at all!

I made it by find-and-replacing a BF hello world program

then adding words between the punctuation

BrainSteel

05:19

Okay, let me see if I can hack something similar together real fast.

Alex A.

Sounds good

Reto Koradi

@AlexA. I didn't look at the whole code. But what you're doing with the iterators looks risky. Iterators on vectors don't remain valid when you push additional elements into the vector. So the iterators stored in the struct might be invalid after you add elements to the vectors.

BrainSteel

^ That might be somewhat the source of the problem, but it looks like the original interpreter has that bit too. I think, for a project of this size, and what seems to be going on, it isn't a monumental problem. It looks like the iterator is only set after all elements are added.

Alex A.

@RetoKoradi For backstory, most of the code is used directly from someone's BF interpreter and I don't really know or understand C++ very well. What I've written may be the best thing ever or actually be setting orphans on fire, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

BrainSteel

Hmm... It stopped crashing, but now it hangs. I'm going to need a couple more minutes :P

Alex A.

05:28

Take as many minutes as you need. Thanks so much for your help!

BrainSteel

Aha! I think I've got it

Alex A.

:D :D :D

BrainSteel

Annnnddd... I forked instead of branched. Gimme a second :P

Alex A.

:P

haha "1 fork"

BrainSteel

Okay, I legitimately can't find the damn branch button.

Alex A.

05:39

Hm.

BrainSteel

I'm sure not being able to find this button inspires all kinds of faith in the code I just wrote.

Alex A.

I have faith in your code. Certainly more in yours than in mine!

I just realized that I don't have GitHub Desktop. I was going to open it up and also look for the branch button

BrainSteel

Oh boy. I am just embarrassing myself all over the place.

Alex A.

Okay, downloading desktop

BrainSteel

I think I made a pull request.

Hey, it looks like I did something!

Alex A.

05:47

I merged your request!

BrainSteel

Hooray! If you put ......",;........-'";! in a file, it should print "0"!

Alex A.

Does it ignore words and junk that isn't punctuation?

BrainSteel

Ummm... Maybe? I think so... :P

Yes, confirmed.

Alex A.

:D

Did you know that you're SUPER AWESOME?!

BrainSteel

Daww, thanks :D It wasn't much, really. Do my comments make some kind of sense?

Alex A.

06:04

A lot

All of the sense

BrainSteel

Hooray! I'm glad I could be of service :)

Alex A.

Service? You're co-creator.

Also, idk why but it works great for me in XCode but it won't compile using g++ on the command line. (Probably all matter of linking nonsense that I have no idea how to do)

Now we just need to make an esolangs page for it and we'll have met all of the criteria necessary for it to be included in Martin's challenge tomorrow!

BrainSteel

Wonderful! And nobody will know... :P

Alex A.

We've create an open-source platform-restricted programming language! High five!

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BrainSteel

High-five!

It shouldn't be too platform dependent.

Ooo ooo and it's Turing-complete.

Alex A.

06:14

Yes!

BrainSteel

And I just finished my solution to Martin's challenge! It's only 708 characters long!

Alex A.

Is it in this language????

Oh wait, you can't tell me what language it's in because that's the challenge.

BrainSteel

Hahaha, it's not in our new language. That honor is yours :D

Alex A.

A gem from the Esolangs Sandbox: In the Examples section, there is a hello world program and two bullet points: "buy more" and "die".

BrainSteel

Hahaha, wonderful. True poetry.

Alex A.

06:24

@MartinBüttner Guess what??? There is now a programming language called ???! You can find it on my GitHub and on Esolangs.

Martin Büttner

congrats :D

BrainSteel

By golly, it happened. And at only 1:25AM.

Martin Büttner

would be helpful if the esolangs page linked anywhere

Alex A.

I've never made an esolangs page, I have no idea what info should be in there.

I just wanted to get it published before you post your challenge.

BrainSteel

You may want to put a link to the github repo.

Martin Büttner

06:25

@AlexA. anything you want, but without a link it's going to be essentially impossible to find the interpreter

Alex A.

People would want to find it? :P

BrainSteel

This is the programming language for the ages. Imagine what you get when you put Shakespeare's works in...

(Probably an infinite loop)

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. you could also add it to the language list esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list

Alex A.

Okay, I'll do that. Editing the language page right now.

@MartinBüttner Also, FYI, currently it only works when you run it in XCode on a Mac. I haven't yet figured out how to compile it from the command line without a bunch of errors I don't understand. u_u

I'm sure it's some kind of linking thing but as I've stated many times this evening, I do not understand C++. Haha

Martin Büttner

what's also really helpful is that your language is entirely undocumented :D

Alex A.

06:33

Hell yeah it is!

BrainSteel

It may have been hastily thrown together at the last minute.

Sp3000

The only question is how long it'd take to get cracked :P

BrainSteel

Man, g++ really doesn't like our code.

Alex A.

Yeah :|

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 if either Alex or BrainSteel uses it, not very long :P

@Sp3000 oh yeah, I forget that you do that...

Reto Koradi

06:35

@BrainSteel What's the problem? C++ normally carries over from compiler to compiler fairly easily if you don't do anything crazy.

Sp3000

I'm pretty sure mine won't be that hard though :P

BrainSteel

I'm pretty sure mine isn't very hard either, but it was tons of fun to make!

@RetoKoradi I am not sure. I think g++ and OS X are duking it out.

Alex A.

There must be some linking thing that XCode does implicitly that would otherwise have to be done explicitly when compiling from the command line.

Sp3000

It'd be funny if we used the same language :P

BrainSteel

I'm sure we'll know when we see each other's code :D It's certainly possible.

Reto Koradi

06:38

Link errors only? For stuff that is from the standard library? Try -lstdc++. That's what you get for using Xcode.

Martin Büttner

It is time...

Sp3000

drumroll

BrainSteel

These aren't link errors, I believe.

Alex A.

Oh

BrainSteel

Hooray!

It is rejecting it based on what I presume to be OS X code that is included.

I'm too tired to think clearly on it right now :P

Huh. clang doesn't like it either.

Alex A.

06:41

I like it.

Reto Koradi

Weird. Xcode is just the dev environment. It will still be compiled with clang. What kinds of errors?

BrainSteel

We wrote it, so we better like it!

It's 4 compilation errors.

I really hope I'm reading this right.

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Q: The Programming Language Quiz

Welcome to the Cops-and-Robbers edition of The Hello World Quiz! (If you've never played the quiz, feel free to try it out for a minute or 30. You don't need to have played it for this challenge though.) The Cops' Challenge Choose a programming language. Valid languages must have either a Wiki...

code-golf hello-world obfuscation cops-and-robbers

Alex A.

@NewMainPosts That was quick

BrainSteel

Alrighty folks, tonight was lovely but I absolutely must sleep. Class at 8:30 tomorrow (today) morning. Good night all!

Alex A.

06:48

@BrainSteel Brutal. Have a good first class of the semester! Thanks for doing ??? with me!

BrainSteel

:D Of course!

Sp3000

@MartinBüttner Is it just me or does your have unprintables?

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 it doesn't

Sp3000

Hmmm my thing says there's an \x03 in there

Martin Büttner

@PeterTaylor I went ahead with posting the challenge, because a) There is now already a ??? language, b) It would have been cracked anyway, c) It doesn't really trip up the snippet if you just link the language name to the esolangs page. I'd still be interested in what you came up for it though. ;)

Reto Koradi

06:53

@AlexA./@BrainSteel Easy to fix. In both places, where you declare streams, you have std:..stream variable = std::...stream(...). That requires a copy constructor for the stream, which does not exists. Simply change it to std:...stream variable(...). This isn't Java. ;)

Alex A.

@RetoKoradi It's that simple? I'll try that soon, thanks!

Somebody edited the esolangs page for ??? and claimed that it isn't Turing complete

Reto Koradi

One of them should be std::istringstream stream(line). The other std::ifstream infile(filename). At least with clang, your code compiles for me with this change.

The beauty of templates is that you get about two pages of error messages for a couple of small issues in the code.

Alex A.

Thanks, I really appreciate your help!

@RetoKoradi Compiles with g++. Works great.

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 I didn't put that in there :P (and if I did, I'm sure SE would strip it?). anyway, I don't think it should affect the validity of the code

Sp3000

Hmmm k

Also 4 min crack pumps fist

Alex A.

07:02

Someone who knows things: Is ??? not Turing complete?

BrainSteel said it was, I have no idea, and some guy on esolangs claims it isn't.

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 how...

Sp3000

Hint: Avoid making your Hello World looking like anything on this page

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. the loss of nested loops? I don't see why you couldn't have nested loops

Alex A.

@MartinBüttner Yeah, I agree

Should I remove that from the page?

Martin Büttner

I've added something to the talk page

let's see if the author reacts

Alex A.

07:07

What's the talk page?

Martin Büttner

esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:%3F%3F%3F

@Sp3000 hm, the character distribution in your answer seems vaguely familiar...

Sp3000

(this isn't the one I spent hours on, in case you're wondering :P)

Man, Martin's one is like trying to find a needle in a haystack

Alex A.

In case anyone wants to see ??? in action, I uploaded a test program

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. beautiful

Alex A.

Oh, the same dude who edited the esolangs page posted an issue on the GitHub repo saying the same thing

@MartinBüttner Ninja'd! I was just about to press enter

Martin Büttner

07:22

:)

Reto Koradi

Woohoo, I cracked one, and wasn't even planning to participate. :)

Beta Decay

@RetoKoradi Well you've started now, so why stop? :)

Reto Koradi

@BetaDecay I'm afraid the other ones won't be as easy!

Alex A.

Could have sworn that FORTRAN 77 requires PROGRAM <name> before the program.

Martin Büttner

@BetaDecay I'm pretty sure it would work in MUF, but I haven't found an interpreter yet

Beta Decay

07:28

I think it's good etiquette to use PROGRAM @AlexA.

Alex A.

Right, but I thought it was required. I guess not.

Beta Decay

@MartinBüttner On Wikipedia it seems that notify is the command for print instead of disp

Or are there different commands?

Reto Koradi

@AlexA. Not official documentation, but: "A program can optionally be given a name by beginning it with a single PROGRAM statement." (idris.fr/data/cours/lang/fortran/F77.html#p4.2)

Alex A.

Hm. Okay.

Reto Koradi

@BetaDecay Looks like I might have lucked out by picking 77. Seems like earlier versions required a STOP at the end of a program.

Alex A.

07:43

@RetoKoradi Anything >=77 would work I think

Reto Koradi

@AlexA. Probably. I'm pretty sure the fixed format is not required anymore in Fortran 90, but it most likely still works. I actually did a project in Fortran 90. Wasn't even that bad.

Alex A.

Yeah, I kind of like the newer Fortrans.

Free-form input and no need for all-caps

Reto Koradi

Not even mentioning fancy features like dynamic memory allocation. ;) Not having to compile the size of your data into the code was a big step forward.

Sp3000

That didn't take long. My Javascript bet was right :P

Alex A.

I should go to bed. All the ??? excitement has kept me up about 2 hours later than normal.

Goodnight all.

(Except @Sp3000, good morning to you.)

Sp3000

07:55

Afternoon now, almost evening :)

But bye

Optimizer

08:24

Martin Büttner

@BetaDecay ah, I figured out your second cop... shot myself in the foot with "Every user only gets one guess per answer." though :D

Sp3000

08:41

Least we now know it's not too hard :)

Martin Büttner

btw, I posted another one in case you got bored of trying to crack the first one :P

Sp3000

You should spend more time cracking mine :P

isaacg

08:56

Here are some impressive golfs: wildmag.de/compo

Martin Büttner

@Sp3000 I had prepared a Prelude one, but it was already massive before obfuscating it so it would have been near impossible to obscure the relevant characters with a jumble of random ones.

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