The Nineteenth Byte

@cairdcoinheringaahing my sister also has a midlands accent, and we grew up in the midlands! Maybe there's something ingrained in the human brain to reject the midlands accents because of how utterly disgusting they are

caird coinheringaahing

@user ~~Because I can pronounce the letter "t"~~ because I'm a posh southern twat :P

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you distinguish between "look" and "luck"? If so, you're a posh southern twat like me :þ

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hmm, so they call you a "posh souhern wa"? :P

A username

8:05 PM

I can pronounce the letter t, but nothing else.

caird coinheringaahing

I can't take you seriously if you pronounce "Nottingham" either "No'-num" or "notting-HAM" :P

user

@Ausername OMG my machine gun is the same!

2

caird coinheringaahing

(aka, midlands accent or American accent)

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Snottingham!

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Yes, those are two different words :P

pxeger

8:06 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing very specific subgenre of midlands btw

A username

Noothingharm.

pxeger

@Ausername Scottish with a lithp?

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Yeah, and a very specific subset of Americans as well :P

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing How would you say it?

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing What's the "right" way to pronounced it? Not-in-gum?

A username

8:07 PM

@pxeger Thure.

pxeger

oMG RoBIn hOOD!!!11!!

AviFS

Naughtting-hum?

caird coinheringaahing

"Notting-hum"

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing no h please

user

The g and h are pronounced separately?

pxeger

8:07 PM

Notting-um

caird coinheringaahing

But sort of not

There's like a ghost of an "h"

user

@pxeger This one makes the most sense to me

pxeger

the h is basically silent

@user because it's right :þ

caird coinheringaahing

The breathing out that happens when you speak an "h", but faintly :P

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I spray holy water on my computer every day so I don't need to pronounce it :P

A username

8:09 PM

You mean your kombucha?

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger You mention that green-tighted nonce to me once and I'll never talk to you again :P

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing nonce? I'll have you know Robin Hood contains far too little entropy to be used as a MAC

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing ROBIN HOOD ROBIN HOOD ROBIN HOOD hah

caird coinheringaahing

:P

A username

ROBIN HOOD ROBIN HOOD ROBIN HOOD hopefully we shut them up

pxeger

8:11 PM

@Ausername don't actually spam it though pls lol

user

Robin hood be robbin' the 'hood. There, now you can't speak at all because any message you send here is sent to me @caird

caird coinheringaahing

No, you misunderstand: I can kick people to not talk to them :P

pxeger

@user do you know his story? Because that's the exact opposite of what he did!

Redwolf Programs

In real life it sort of is though lol

A username

Hi redwolf

pxeger

8:12 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you mean, "take them for a long walk"?

user

@pxeger Robin Hood steals from rich, Robin Hood gives to poor, poor become rich, Robin Hood steals from previously poor rich people, Robin Hood robs the hood

Redwolf Programs

Robin Hood increases the entropy

pxeger

dubious logic there, but ok

A username

No long walks please, it's freezing here.

user

@pxeger The entire story's pretty dubious tbh

ngn

8:13 PM

@user poor don't simply become rich in that part of the world

pxeger

@Ausername well with a short enough plank, you won't have to worry about the cold

Redwolf Programs

If you're a somewhat strong swimmer you do :p

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Thoughts on changing the new asker modal to say "We host coding challenges, such as code golf or fastest code competitions, and related questions, such as code golfing tips" instead of "We host coding challenges, such as code golf, and related questions"?

A username

We host random discussions.

Redwolf Programs

I second that change ^^

pxeger

8:14 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Hey, stop ruining my terrible jokes!

caird coinheringaahing

(Anyone else is free to give feedback as well)

user

@ngn :(

pxeger

I maintain my stance that the word "recreational" needs to be right front and centre

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing +1

pxeger

"Coding challenge", poorly translated or misconstrued, could still be interpreted as "coding issue"

user

8:14 PM

@pxeger How it can be right and center?

A username

@pxeger What happened to left, back, above and below?

o/

hyper-neutrino

@pxeger "recreational coding challenges" in addition to the current proposed wording?

Redwolf Programs

is...is TIO randomly renaming a CGI bin...

pxeger

hmm, I've never considered that before

Redwolf Programs

var quitURL = "/cgi-bin/static/${tio_cgi_bin_quit}";

pxeger

8:15 PM

@hyper-neutrino yes

caird coinheringaahing

> We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf or fastest code competitions, and related questions, such as code golfing tips

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms sauce?

hyper-neutrino

@pxeger github.com/TryItOnline/tryitonline/blob/…

Redwolf Programs

github.com/TryItOnline/tryitonline/blob/…

hyper-neutrino

oh wait wrong line#. redwolf's is right lol

Redwolf Programs

8:16 PM

> quitURL == "/cgi-bin/static/c5ba5a3ddf5ce434ee4017d5cbc9f9f2-quit"

Is it the same for y'all?

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms where and how is that formatted in though?

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms right now, yes

Redwolf Programs

Just pasted it in the dev tools

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms yes

some of TIO's web backend remains a mystery to me, so I can't work out how that works

hyper-neutrino

the thing is the API URL is still https://tio.run/cgi-bin/run/api/ and I think the TIO frontend doesn't use the API call so IDK if this works for quitting

Redwolf Programs

8:20 PM

Is the rest of the wrapper using the API?

DLosc

@DLosc Maybe I need some advice on writing explanations. The more I tried to explain this, the more confusing it sounded. :P

hyper-neutrino

I believe so

Razetime/dzaima's TIO function uses the API

Redwolf Programs

And the API has no quit function?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino In which case, I suggest we change the modal to read "We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf or fastest code competitions, and related questions, such as code golfing tips" with links to code-golf, fastest-code and tips

hyper-neutrino

well, IDK if it does, APLgolf doesn't have one

pxeger

8:22 PM

Just use ATO, where there's no quit button at all so you don't have to worry!

hyper-neutrino

lol

pxeger

(but when the quit button arrives, it will be well-documented!)

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing should we link to the question list or the tag info

Redwolf Programs

TIO kinda scares me lol

caird coinheringaahing

I think to the question list, as there's plenty of easily accessible info available from there

Redwolf Programs

8:24 PM

A lot of the front end JS is obscure hacks that work reliably but really don't look like they should

hyper-neutrino

Requested changes have been applied.

caird coinheringaahing

In which case, I think it should be ok to ask @Catija to escalate it to PubPlat, as there's been no other feedback aside from literally that sentence

hyper-neutrino

Yep, seems like it. If there's any other feedback, you have until Catija sees this / when the change gets pushed to speak :P

Catija

... I already did the second part, right?

So it's just the bulk of the content that I need to have the devs change, correct?

caird coinheringaahing

Plus disabling the third bullet point

@Catija Yes, looks like it

Redwolf Programs

8:34 PM

I used dev tools to try to see what it would look like:

Catija

But were y'all still wanting me to ask if we could remove all of the bullets if possible?

Redwolf Programs

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Yeah, I think we were asking for some kind of "Could you remove all if possible, otherwise just the third" request?

hyper-neutrino

... what happened to the space between "objective" and "scoring"?

Redwolf Programs

That was my fault

I was editing the html by hand lol

hyper-neutrino

8:35 PM

do we need to golf it for smaller screens?

Catija

... did y'all write all of the stuff in html? That's sweet.

hyper-neutrino

Yeah, I converted it from Markdown into HTML cuz I figured the modal needed to be in HTML when the devs applied the change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

I think there's too many links

You get hit in the face with ten of them, so it doesn't emphasize the ones that are especially important to click.

hyper-neutrino

Also you missed the "Welcome to" at the start :P

caird coinheringaahing

We don't need a link to Stack Overflow

Redwolf Programs

8:37 PM

The code golf, fastest code, and tips ones don't seem particularly necessary, and linking to SO doesn't seem needed

Catija

... so... I'll just come back when y'all have ... decided again. :P

caird coinheringaahing

*facepalm*

I swear, we'll have it done by 2022 :P

Catija

Hey, I'm not in a hurry.

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing I guess it's better to spend ages making it perfect than have to keep trying to ask for little changes (or just be stuck with them) :p

hyper-neutrino

We could even just remove the SO mention at all; most things that get posted here by confusion are actually objectively terrible on the whole network

there's a reason migration is quite uncommon and most things I migrate get rejected anyway

Redwolf Programs

8:40 PM

And then maybe we can either golf the first paragraph by a ton or break it into two

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm sure it'll be sooner than that. Six to eight weeks, probably.

hyper-neutrino

breaking it into two would worsen the height issue though

would it be less overwhelming to link "Welcome" and not the entire phrase "Welcome to Code Golf & Coding Challenges Stack Exchange" ?

Redwolf Programs

It's better than a massive wall of text

caird coinheringaahing

I think we can also remove the links for code golf, fastest code and tips (as Redwolf said)

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Would just removing the "Stack Exchange" part shorten it enough?

caird coinheringaahing

8:41 PM

The terms are generally pretty self explanatory

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms I mean they can see the URL :p

caird coinheringaahing

^^^

Redwolf Programs

Could we golf "This is a site for competitive coding enthusiasts. We host recreational coding challenges, such as..." a bit? Some of that sounds redundant.

Maybe "This is a site for competitive coding challenges such as..."

caird coinheringaahing

"Welcome to Code Golf & Coding Challenges Stack Exchange, a site for competitive coding enthusiasts. We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf and fastest code competitions, and related questions, such as code-golfing tips"?

hyper-neutrino

we could remove the first sentence entirely and I think it would not lose too much meaning, I think

like the "this site is for..."

caird coinheringaahing

8:44 PM

So "Welcome to Code Golf & Coding Challenges Stack Exchange! We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf and fastest code competitions, and related questions, such as code-golfing tips"?

EliteDaMyth

i feel "such as" is over used

we can end at and related questions.

caird coinheringaahing

I think it's good to include the tips bit, as there's often been debates about what non-challenges are ok here

Redwolf Programs

^^^

caird coinheringaahing

Changing the second "such as" to "like" might work

Redwolf Programs

We could reword a bit I think

hyper-neutrino

8:45 PM

we could use e.g.

caird coinheringaahing

^

Adám

CMQ: What is your score here? (No cheating!)

Redwolf Programs

I think removing the last comma could help a bit, it sounds a bit run-on

caird coinheringaahing

Maintenance planned for 30/06/2021, at 01:00 UTC (29/06/2021 21:00 US/EDT)

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Redwolf Programs

> We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf and fastest code competitions, as well as related questions like requests for code golfing tips.

I think the use of both "challenges" and "competitions" sounds a bit off

What about "...recreational coding competitions, like code golf and fastest code, as well as..."

hyper-neutrino

8:49 PM

@Adám 13

pretty much all of the ones I got wrong came down to not knowing exactly how numerical conversion works on things that aren't numbers

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám 12

Adám

I thought I didn't know any JS at all, and I got 16.

hyper-neutrino

TBF I may have been thrown off by knowing some of JS and thinking some things would be extra weird but they weren't

e.g. I thought !!"" would give true because I thought it was something weird like !![]

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I know just enough that I second guessed basically everything :P

Redwolf Programs

17

hyper-neutrino

8:52 PM

I didn't actually know that + and == coerce numerically so much; had I known that, I probably could've gotten a lot more of them correct

like I put true + false as "truefalse" because I didn't think they'd coerce to numbers or that JS could do that, cuz it seems too logical

Redwolf Programs

The conversions for + and - were a bit too heavily focused on

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Me too.

dzaima

@Adám iirc i got 16 (i failed on all the null ones)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms That works

Redwolf Programs

What I have so far (assuming I've copied the suggested changes correctly):

It fits on a 768p screen now!

It also looks much cleaner IMO

hyper-neutrino

8:56 PM

*challenges, not questions

*must, not much

you can just copy-paste the source from the meta post

that way we can make sure it looks correct and so I stop trying to correct typos that aren't there :P

Redwolf Programs

TBH I think we should remove the last sentence about non-challenge questions, we probably shouldn't be suggesting those to any user that hasn't already been around long enough to know better

caird coinheringaahing

We've had multiple users post their first question as a well-received tips question

Aaron Miller

I'm working on a 2D extension of BF, and I'm trying to decide if I want the program edges to wrap, or act as EOF. What do y'all think?

Redwolf Programs

But I think those users would be in the group that knows about those already

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms But it is needed to dismiss the numbered points, no?

Redwolf Programs

9:00 PM

Suggesting them to users who don't know enough about the site that they need to read the modal probably isn't a good idea imo

@Adám Not that one

Adám

ok

Redwolf Programs

> A list of acceptable non-challenge questions can be found in this FAQ.

^ The sentence I'm talking about

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms I think I recommended that and it got rejected in the past. Or maybe I didn't include it and someone said to add it. I can't remember.

Redwolf Programs

Plus if someone wants to write a tips question, that's probably not even the FAQ that'd be recommended to show them

hyper-neutrino

well, it's to list out all non-challenge questions, not to guide them on how to write tips

Redwolf Programs

9:03 PM

And to me that doesn't seem particularly useful to a new user

They're probably here to either write a normal challenge or (maybe) write a tips question

user

9:18 PM

@AaronMiller Wrap?

Befunge does that, at least

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller EOF is the unusual choice. Wrap or reflect are the most common options

Thoughts on finalizing the modal to this?

Has Redwolf's suggestion to remove the FAQ on non-challenge questions. Other than that, it's the same as the current draft

Redwolf Programs

I thought we'd decided on a ton of other changes to it

Like removing the SO paragraph

And the rewording in the second/third sentences

caird coinheringaahing

Yep, I just copied the current draft (though that was up to date) gimme a second

Updated

Gist makes it look shorter than when its on SE or in the modal :/

Redwolf Programs

Oh, were we still keeping part of the second paragraph?

hyper-neutrino

yes, because we get SO spam all the time

caird coinheringaahing

9:26 PM

Yes, we should absolutely make it clear that help is off topic here

Redwolf Programs

Maybe we should merge with the third paragraph to save space

Without that sentence at all it just barely fits on 768p

hyper-neutrino

I don't like that idea because I want the second paragraph to especially stand out, and the sandbox tip should be a distinct section

caird coinheringaahing

Added a bit

I like having it stand out, even if it is slightly larger

Redwolf Programs

True

I think it looks good now

Maybe change "here" to "on this site"

caird coinheringaahing

Idk "here" rolls of the mental tongue more than "on this site"

Redwolf Programs

9:29 PM

For me it's the opposite, but that's probably just because of the "e"s lol

caird coinheringaahing

Ok. I think we've given it ~~far too much~~ plenty of discussion, can we finalise it as this?

AviFS

9:44 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Parts of this edit are more controversial than others, but I do think there's a bit of cruft that can be cut:

>
Welcome to Code Golf & Coding Challenges! We host recreational coding challenges & related questions including code golf, fastest code and code golfing tips. All challenges must have an objective scoring criterion, so the winner can be fairly chosen.

*Questions about help with general programming-related issues are off-topic here*.

Please post your challenge as a draft to our Sandbox for Proposed Challenges first for feedback. That way it’s polished and the best it can be, before it gets officially posted and the challenge begins!

Edits:

Welcome to Code Golf & Coding Challenges! ~~We host recreational coding challenges, such as code golf and fastest code competitions, as well as related questions like requests for code golfing tips.~~ We host recreational coding challenges & related questions including code golf, fastest code and code golfing tips. All challenges must have an objective scoring criterion, so the winner can be ~~appropriately and~~ fairly chosen.

caird coinheringaahing

Remember that markdown doesn't work in multiline messages

AviFS

Questions about help with general programming-related issues are off-topic here. ~~and will be closed.~~

Please post your challenge as a draft to our Sandbox for Proposed Challenges for a few days first for feedback. ~~Doing so allows you to correct potential issues before posting to the main site.~~ That way it’s polished and the best it can be, before it gets officially posted and the challenge begins!

I'm less sure about the whole sentence replacements, but what do you think of the bytes I golfed :P

Redwolf Programs

The first full sentence change is actually quite nice imo

AviFS

Namely: "appropriately and" + "and will be closed."

Redwolf Programs

Everything in the first paragraph is pretty good imo, not sure about the rest

caird coinheringaahing

9:51 PM

Yeah, I like the improvement for the first bit. Not so sure about the Sandbox paragraph edits

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms Thanks! Yeah I thought that sentence could be friendlier

@cairdcoinheringaahing Me neither, not sure about the tone

I was trying to make it positive, but it's probably a bit too much

I just feel like people will think:

> But mine doesn't have any issues, I'll just post now

caird coinheringaahing

I went with "chosen fairly" instead of "fairly chosen", but the first paragraph has been changed

AviFS

Ooh, the first paragraph looks much better now, I think!

←+1

Do you see what I mean though, about the sandbox?

I feel like it's leaving out a lot of what we use it for

Redwolf Programs

I think maybe a mix of the two could be best

AviFS

To make challenges more interesting and more fun

I think a flavor of that in the tone would help a lot

Otherwise, it just sounds like their ideas have "potential issues" that "need to be dealt with"

And most people will operate under the impression they don't have "potential issues"

AviFS

9:56 PM

I also wish there were a way to mention languages

I feel like (tolerance of) esolangs are a pretty big part of CGCC, our culture and our interests

Redwolf Programs

The ask question page isn't a good place for that imo

AviFS

And it'd be super neat if that could somehow make an appearance and encourage likeminded people to participate

Redwolf Programs

Oh...we should probably point to the things to avoid

AviFS

/let them now we have them here

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms ...whoops

AviFS

9:57 PM

@RedwolfPrograms We have lots of golfers who hate esolangs and have left with elaborate messages in meta

And we have lots of esolang lovers who are not particularly golfers at heart

Redwolf Programs

But it's still not the best place for that

AviFS

I still think it'd be neat if we could give a nod in that direction

Redwolf Programs

The ask question modal should be as short as possible, and anything irrelevant to writing questions is noise

caird coinheringaahing

The answering pop-up is more relevant for that

(which its part of IIRC)

Redwolf Programs

Plus I think the things to avoid includes that

AviFS

10:00 PM

We host recreational coding challenges & related questions including code golf, fastest code and code golfing tips.

@RedwolfPrograms I mean we have:

so working in something like "We host submissions in every language"

feels doable with some thought

caird coinheringaahing

This still isn't the appropriate place for stuff about languages

The only language-specific questions we get from newbies are asking for coding help, and the odd one or two that are actual challenges change to be agnostic after a comment or two

Redwolf Programs

What happened to the "and will be closed." part of par. 2?

I think that was good

AviFS

It's not be optimal, but langs aren't mentioned in the name, logo, or anywhere else. So it may be better than having it nowhere

Redwolf Programs

It's not nowhere though

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms That was one of the parts I suggested we delete

But I'm not unhappy with having it

Just doesn't feel necessary

And a bit harsh/overdone

caird coinheringaahing

10:03 PM

Thoughts?

Redwolf Programs

It emphasizes that off-topic questions will be closed, and it's not just a policy that "you can sort of do what you want but try to stick relatively close to the topic"

AviFS

It's true, but we've already made clear that's not what we're for

And it's understood that things that fall out of scope are closed

Redwolf Programs

Not necessarily

We get users new to SE from time to time

AviFS

If you do have it, I suggest it's also bold

Redwolf Programs

^

AviFS

10:05 PM

It's a bit awkward to have part of a sentence unbolded

Esp. without even a comma

Though I wouldn't recommend a comma

caird coinheringaahing

That might be the easiest modification to make :P

AviFS

thumbs up

I want to emphasize that it looks amazing and is great

Wouldn't complain if we ended up with this one bit

Redwolf Programs

I think it's good now.

I'll get a screenshot

AviFS

Also, I feel terribly complaining about a change you made for me

But this bit:

Doing so allows you to correct issues ~~you might otherwise miss~~ before posting to the main site.

That you added presumably for me to make it more positive-- I would take it out

To the point is better, and I don't think couching it that way adds much

Redwolf Programs

(There should be a paragraph break at the end of that)

(So it'll look slightly different "IRL")

caird coinheringaahing

10:08 PM

I added it because I agree "potential issues" could cause confusion, so that should make it clear that there's potentially problems that the OP might not have seen (aka, why we have the Sandbox)

rak1507

'so the winner can be chosen fairly'? we don't choose 'winners'

AviFS

Haha, this reminds me of an old joke I don't remember very well

rak1507

or at least, it's discouraged to

caird coinheringaahing

We do, but that doesn't really do anything

AviFS

But the point is, we'll never totally be happy with anything :P

caird coinheringaahing

10:09 PM

But also, it provides some basic justification for why we have a scoring criteria

Redwolf Programs

That's the whole point of an objective winning criterion :p

ninja'd

rak1507

just say 'all challenges should have an objective scoring criterion'

AviFS

Here's the joke this reminds me of:

caird coinheringaahing

Thoughts?

Redwolf Programs

9.875/10

caird coinheringaahing

10:15 PM

Feels like 9.999.../10 :P

Getting asymptotically closer to perfect :P

AviFS

Sorry, here's the joke

Redwolf Programs

The 0.125 is for the word "here" because it's ugly :p

AviFS

> The bullets below apply to non-challenge questions only.

I'd change to:

> The bullets below don't apply.

Redwolf Programs

We have tips questions though

I think this had been debated already when it was added

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS We considered that, but they do apply to non-challenge questions

AviFS

10:17 PM

None that should provide details and any research

I know you did and I liked it much better

caird coinheringaahing

tips questions should provide some amount of your own "research" (aka your golfing)

AviFS

Challenge vs nonchallenge isn't immediately clear and a bit confusing

99.9999% of the time, new users will be asking a "challenge" question

Redwolf Programs

How about "only apply to tips questions"?

AviFS

And won't really know what nonchallenge questions are for a while, even with our short briefer

To make them think those bullet points have any relevance

And should be heeded to any extent over common sense and our other rules

I think is only misguiding and a potential source of confusion

To say "The bullets below apply to non-challenge questions only."

Makes it sounds much more useful and important

Until you realize non-challenge questions are 0.01% of our site

And again, it's highly unlikely they'll be asking one

On a site they found because it was called "Code Golf and Coding Challenges"

Thoughts?

(Why do I sound like an angry old man, haha)

Also, did anyone get a chance to read the joke?

caird coinheringaahing

I think that it has literally no downsides for someone posting a challenge ("oh, this doesn't apply to me") and is potentially helpful to someone posting a non-challenge, on-topic question

@AviFS Yes, I liked it :P

AviFS

10:22 PM

Honestly, it's easier to read the joke here:

eartstohear.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/fresh-fish-sold-here-daily

@cairdcoinheringaahing The downside being they don't realize it doesn't apply to me

The vast majority of people skimming this will not grok the difference between challenge and nonchallenge, or even that there is one

Redwolf Programs

And what harm does that cause?

AviFS

And are likely to end under the impression that those points are far more relevant than they are

caird coinheringaahing

Given that that bit is [status-completed], I doubt it's changing

AviFS

Put another way:

If you were writing it from scratch, would you ever have included those two bullet points?

Why/why not

caird coinheringaahing

Besides, the current modal doesn't even include the "this doesn't apply", so I doubt it causes too much confusion

AviFS

10:24 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Isn't this the current?

Redwolf Programs

There've been some changes

AviFS

Ah, well it doesn't sound like I'm convincing anyone, so I'll let it go

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Could you do a mockup of this draft?

AviFS

You guys still sure about adding "you might otherwise miss," though

I don't feel like it serves to make it more positive, and the longer the sentences the more likely people are to disengage

"Doing so allows you to correct issues you might otherwise miss before posting to the main site." is slightly hefty for a prompt people don't really want to read anyway

We went from 2 bullets to 3 bullets?

caird coinheringaahing

The 3rd will be disabled

AviFS

10:30 PM

Better stop making changes before it goes up to 4, haha

Redwolf Programs

I forgot to remove the third, sorry

AviFS

Oh, phew!

caird coinheringaahing

Otherwise tho, that looks great to me

Redwolf Programs

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Would you mind making this the final proposed wording?

lyxal

10:44 PM

very epic video

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing No cigar on taking out "otherwise miss?

caird coinheringaahing

Personally, I think that conveys the intent of the the Sandbox better with than without

Neil

@Adám 22 - I failed on the floating-point rounding one, I forgot that null converts to 0, and I didn't know that NaN++ works even though true++ is a syntax error

AviFS

Sounds good. Just checking that you saw

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