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6:03 PM
The problem with this is that every time there's a bug I have to wait for a new answer
 
just make a new language and add it to the hello world showcase each time, ez
@ChartZBelatedly max (for us at least) is 365 days, 9999 is the max chat suspension in hours
 
What information do you guys think should be included in my userscript for new questions and/or answers?
Definitely question title for both, user's name and reputation, maybe a short snippet of the text?
 
Oh, good idea
 
How many upvotes and downvotes the question has, perhaps
 
6:14 PM
It should be basically instant, so no time for any to be registered
Unless you mean for new answers
 
Oh ok
@RedwolfPrograms Wouldn't it be the same for new answers too?
 
Well the question the answer is on's votes
 
Oh I see
@RedwolfPrograms I wish English were a graphical language where you could draw arrows showing what the 's applies to
I sometimes find myself using parentheses for operator precedence reasons when using "and" and "or" :P
 
I use curly braces: Well {the question the answer is on}'s votes
 
That makes sense
 
6:18 PM
Eww not curly brackets
Well (the question the answer is on)'s votes
 
It gets harder with more complex clauses
 
only do this step if {{you don't have a toaster} and {you plan to grill cheese}} or {you know what you're doing}
 
Angle brackets, come on: Well, <the question the answer is on>'s votes
 
I wish English were as easy to parse as some programming languages :(
@pxeger Beautiful
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Brainflak it, use different brackets for different depths :P
 
6:19 PM
@ChartZBelatedly But you have a limited number of brackets, right?
 
Not if you use all of Unicode
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I was trying really hard to think of a reasonable example. The theoretical cheese grilling tutorial has now intrigued me though
 
the obvious solution is to make english a prefix language or a stack-based language
 
I wonder what that step could be
 
Nonono, operator precedence works fine
 
6:20 PM
Perhaps using an iron for grilling the sandwich?
 
We don't need tacitness
 
CMV: English should be like Java.
 
but tacti makes everything better
 
@hyper-neutrino toaster user has not plan cheese grill contains user expert and or
 
Verbose yet regular and easy to understand.
 
6:20 PM
Hmm, yeah, tacit english.
 
I support tacit english
 
support tacit
 
It's almost as bad as postfix
 
possessive possessive possessive the answer the question the votes
 
6:20 PM
support tacit
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI postfix excellent is true assert
 
Or, even better: (support tacit)(I, English) to quantify arguments
 
Adjectives: monads
Verbs: monads or dyads
 
English should have named clauses like variables, so you can refer to them later (configurable pronouns, basically)
 
Nouns: nilads
Pronouns: variables
It all makes sense!
 
6:21 PM
this is J
 
Yeah, this is just J lingo :P
 
and of course we implement dennis' chaining rules for jelly :P
 
i is happy with tacit english
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Wait clauses and nouns are different things I'm dumb
 
tacit english will is good
 
6:22 PM
@RedwolfPrograms I is happy that your English doesn't use weird verb conjugations, but I is not happy about the tacitness ⍨
 
arguably all nouns are named
 
@pxeger Shorter names
Like import long noun as foo
 
We should all switch to Toki Pona
 
what's the J name for Jelly's quicks
 
120 word long dictionary
@hyper-neutrino Adverbs, I think
 
6:23 PM
@ChartZBelatedly I love it
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Idea: implement vim's "Nth most recently copied item" registers ("1, "2...) in English
 
@hyper-neutrino Modifiers?
@pxeger Not scalable for larger sentences of an infinite size.
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI and when do you plan to use those
 
exactly
 
@ChartZBelatedly Toki pona's more of an auxlang, though
 
6:24 PM
italian has e.g. "sono (am) eccitato (excited)", which means the same as "Io (I) sono eccitato"
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I wrote a challenge about it :P
 
Anyone here watch conlang critic / jan Misali?
 
I do
 
@hyper-neutrino Speches when I will get a nobel for doing this
 
6:26 PM
the overlap in interests between myself and other Code Golf users is always astounding
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI you plan to deliver an entire speech as one single long sentence??
still not infinite smh 0/10
 
@hyper-neutrino Ye
 
@pxeger Yeah, a surprisingly large number of them enjoy golfing code, I thought it was such a niche topic!
 
@pxeger We're all part of the same hivemind, after all
 
I suppose we're all a similar demographic and very similar personality type
 
6:26 PM
@hyper-neutrino Right, it won't be infinite, but however many commands pxeger makes, I can make my speech need one more
@pxeger Not very similar, but somewhat similar, yeah
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI aren't the natural numbers unbounded as well though, so you could just use unlimited registers?
 
@hyper-neutrino May I introduce you to the prose of Proust
 
@hyper-neutrino Yup, for which you need unlimited commands
 
I think we should add a future tense to english
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI no, you make a command with an argument
 
6:27 PM
Get rid of will and replace it with a suffix
 
I say we construct language like prime numbers. There are "prime words" that make up all speech, then the rest of the words are constructed by concatenating prime words together
 
@RedwolfPrograms the will construct already is a tense. Do you mean like an explicit conjugation?
 
@pxeger That's better, then
 
@pxeger For past tense, we use ed. I like that. Let's do it with future, too.
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please don't give english more conjugation we don't need french 2.0
 
6:28 PM
@ChartZBelatedly Isn't that how everything works already? Some words are compounds words, others aren't?
 
It should sound futuristic. Maybe an o.
 
@RedwolfPrograms ending words with vowels isn't very English-y
 
@hyper-neutrino French is actually pretty regular
Compared to English
 
@pxeger No, just have an o in it
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI [citation needed]
 
6:29 PM
Not the whole suffix
 
@pxeger How about ⍥, then?
@pxeger My French teacher, who is totally not biased.
 
Actually get rid of ed and make it like will
Make english more synthetic! or whatever the term is
 
@RedwolfPrograms you mean I have ...? (although that has a slightly different meaning)
 
@RedwolfPrograms No, scrap it entirely
 
@RedwolfPrograms what you just suggested would make it less synthetic
 
6:30 PM
Time for a new lingua franca!
 
Yeah! Enough dwelling on the past! Only future tense!
Remove the past tense!
Remove the present!
 
@RedwolfPrograms Wait no that's not what I meant...
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI objection: english doesn't have genders, and you don't have like 13 tenses with conjugations for each, each of which has like 90% of the verbs being exceptions
 
@RedwolfPrograms uhh that's not great in context
 
6:31 PM
@hyper-neutrino I agree about the genders, and there are a few more tenses, but not those many exceptions
 
@hyper-neutrino there is no difference in gender in French verb conjugation ("only" tense, mood, person, and quantity)
 
minus the fact that the writing system makes it really hard to learn, mandarin actually has reasonably simple grammar overall, at least compared to like english (granted, not a very high bar)
@pxeger yeah that's true
 
@pxeger Well, in the past participle with etre, sometimes you need an extra e
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI English has more tenses than French
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI that hardly counts
 
@pxeger Oh cool
Ha, you hear that, HN? English < French
 
6:32 PM
one of my friends was trying to think about if any verbs in french change forms based on gender and he thought of "belle" as an example so............
 
should newer tags be edited into older questions?
 
Honestly, I'm not sure why I'm supporting French here, I hate it.
 
I support completely dropping all regulation of grammar for English. It'll simplify into something nice within a few centures.
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Uses of English verb forms wikipedia
 
@Wezl If they apply, yeah, I think
 
6:32 PM
ok
 
@pxeger which one has more conjugation forms though?
 
@Wezl Yes, but don't necro-bump
 
@RedwolfPrograms yeah like if i say "i is happy" you can infer what i mean; conjugation is an unnecessary burden on a modernized society. reject grammar, return to caveman speech
 
@RedwolfPrograms there is no actual "regulation" for English like there is in French (the Académie Français)
 
Well yeah, but there's boomers
 
6:33 PM
(i.e. edit for the sake of editing. If you're answering it, or it's recently active, go ahead and edit though)
 
One day, we will be the boomers :(
 
@hyper-neutrino depends on what you consider conjugation. Do auxilliaries like will, have count?
 
I don't personally count those because you just need to remember one whole word, you don't need to think about how to change every single verb
 
We should just make all the tenses like that.
So you only need to remember the verb.
 
@hyper-neutrino You could argue the same about French; there are lots of patterns that are entirely consistent, even if there are technically more conjugated forms
 
6:35 PM
Just i am run, i did run, i has run, i will run, etc.
 
I swim, I past swim, I future swim, I future hoping swim, I past regretful swim, I past continuous swim
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI "past regretful" is a combination of a tense and a mood. Don't bring that into the mix as well!
 
@pxeger true, but there are a lot of exceptions, at least with most conjugations. at least, that's what i remember
 
@pxeger I meant more like "I would have swummed had I not been afraid of water"
 
is that not conditional?
 
6:36 PM
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI past conditional
 
and yes, it's swum there
Although in spoken American English, swam is generally accepted too
 
rather than following what J does and making everything tacit / using functions. make everything an object
 
OOP English
 
@hyper-neutrino English++
 
6:37 PM
I support that
 
verbs are just states of being, which are nouns
 
@hyper-neutrino Found the Java programmer
 
I am running, I (will be) running, I was running, etc
 
thing = new pencil; i.has(thing)
 
6:37 PM
assembled english
 
@pxeger englishtalk
 
assert thing instanceof pencil is probably more idiomatic I guess
 
@hyper-neutrino You mean shorthand?
 
assert this instanceof photograph; you.look(this); this.on(look, () => i.laugh())
 
just say a bunch of things in random order and use goto statements to indicate the order of what you're saying
 
6:40 PM
Nooooo I repcapped
 
Fun fact: Java bytecode has gotos, so you can make a JVM language with gotos
 
@RedwolfPrograms haha time to go and upvote all your posts out of spite
 
@pxeger This is hilarious
 
Hmm, I've been faking a new answer for testing reasons but I actually need to answer a real question now :(
 
6:46 PM
@ChartZBelatedly so I need to answer it, then edit its tags? :P
 
@Wezl as long as there's some reason to bring it back to the main page then it's fine, basically just don't re-tag a 5 year old post that nobody remembers just for the sake of retagging it
 
rats (at least it was 8 not 5 years :)
 
God mathjax is annoying at times :/
 
@ChartZBelatedly not least because its name is misspelt by one letter
 
the original name was mathjack but people complained about the missing "s" and they didn't realize they meant "maths" and instead made it "mathjack-s" which was later renamed to "mathjax" (/s)
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7:03 PM
I'm so close to finishing ash and I've been procrastinating all day lol
Okay, so I added a filter to keep certain types of activity from showing up in my userscript (mostly edits), but now I'm not sure if it's working or not because they don't show up in my userscript
 
Why does this have your old username in the title? Muscle memory? Pavlovian conditioning? — pxeger 16 mins ago
I'm going to wait to leave a comment answer to this @pxeger, because in ~an hour, it will no longer be my old username :P
 
ok lol
 
no Lil Chart Z? :(
 
You'll be caird again?
 
7:18 PM
wait, (assuming you even wanted to) i could've just changed it back earlier, i think lol. not that there's a point anymore really
 
Honestly I don't care about having my rep be a multiple of ten for now, I just wanted a screenshot with 10000 instead of 10006 or 9996 :p
 
why not just photoshop or inspect element it
 
well, you can always bounty 50 rep and try again, and if you miss the 10k mark again, just keep trying :P
 
Why bounty 50 rep when you can delete your account and start anew?
 
Why delete your account when you can change your name, move to another country, learn another language, and join a different stack exchange?
 
7:30 PM
Why change your identity when you can build a time machine, go back in time, and replace your younger self?
 
Why go through the trouble of building a time machine when you can kill your past self with a tachyon beam and wait for space-time to expode, then wait for the dust to resettle into a new universe?
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Why move to another country when you can start your own company involving cryogenics and get rich so you can preserve your body until mankind meets aliens so you can go to their planet and start another company to move human minds to alien bodies so you can become an alien while preserving your experiences and join a Code Golf site on their planet? :P
@RedwolfPrograms Wow, that got dark pretty quick :P
 
Yours jumps down in extremeness quite a bit and now mine looks extreme :p
 
Well to be fair it was only supposed to escalate a little bit, but you two sniped me because mine was so long.
 
@hyper-neutrino Nah, I figured I might go for Lil Chart Z in a few months, I prefer having a consistent username
 
7:36 PM
fair enough, lol :P
 
7:47 PM
Okay, I think I've almost finished my userscript
 
8:04 PM
Apparently Noodle9 answered this 18705 days ago, according to my userscript
:|
 
hmmm, that seems a couple minutes off
 
Completely rewrote the spec for this, it's now much longer and in-depth. Any feedback?
 
Ohhhhh, I forgot JS uses milliseconds for dates but everyone else uses seconds
Gotta love how JS is special and different
Truly revolutionary
 
Feb 28 at 1:17, by caird coinheringaahing
idk the physics behind it, but time has been on some hardcore drugs for the past 18 months
Maybe it was some weird time dilation thing? :P
 
I don't make mistakes, the rest of the universe just doesn't do what it's supposed to :p
 
@Adám done
 
Thank you.
 
8:49 PM
I just wrote my first truly inefficient code golf answer (other than Hexasweep)!
I have absolutely no idea how to figure out the time complexity though, due to the complexity
 
9:21 PM
@att Interesting edge case: -550/261
What does it mean if the third term is positive?
 
@RedwolfPrograms come use Brachylog with me
 
Looks like ChartZ Belatedly is back to card coin hearing-whatever :P
 
att
it's just multiplication by 10^whatever
so 2107279693486590038314176245' * 10^1 = 2107279693486590038314176245'0
 
@att So does that mean that the second list would never be {0}?
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Indeed I am :P
 
att
9:37 PM
Right, especially since y can have leading 0s it was easier to do it like that than to have to insert a dot
Should be able to work it into {x}'{y}.{z} with a little effort
 
I've no doubt your approach would be better than mine: https://tio.run/##dVJRb5swEH4Ov@IGU/ZQk0BZJzUrEVu2Sp06aer65lrIIQ6xBHZmHI0O@bdn5wRpedmLfYe/@@67@2i53YmWW1nx4/HXQVtBVclgkcN3vTk0gg6OBJNhI2sCPYG9/u0ghyfBmy@ylrajisF8BsPAy7IksC4fZWcXw61zBKrSwWLp3zBZY@4@BpOHLVVwBwkB5MzjM3F@G/cMH18boZB@JWQjVU3Tq0eharujiGIExqRnHjr0qAselBW1MKOWe6PbMfQVcAX3jdbm8vsw9CjG93HMAz5rjUOqZTKd9m/yIXHYJ03OCOY74MTxhQoXsCDQB4sqf1qDIp@NbOk5/KalggI1dcJYGkxWO254ZYXpLgD0WZ8TmBcQpQzulhC@C/31P9A180rCWYhnlEEMaYAqn0R9aLj52u@N6Dqpfevw5WX2NmQwDYL9SSNuGyuWft0omkYpwZVwa4UqVlp1liv7yRj@SnFyAlGGvAkbsRE7ESltWt7IPwLpIpiPZpM1@u2Ij6pTtEGzY282
I'm not particularly good with mathematica :P
 
9:54 PM
I need someone to post an answer or something so I can test my userscript again :p
I had a really awesome idea for how to golf something and then it turns out I missed a few tiny things that ruined it and made it way longer :/
 
10:13 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing okay Lyricly no need to bring the esoserver over here :p
 
att
10:28 PM
The possibility of the decimal point being to the left of the quote could run into a weird situation with something like -1/900 = 1' /100 since .01' is different from .11'
 
@RedwolfPrograms I don't but I do see memes about his anti-/h/ agenda
 
Anti-/h/ agenda?
 
he just doesn't like /h/
idk
as I said I do not actually watch him
 
sounds like something was taken out of context there
 
yeah probably
maybe it's specifically about auxlangs
 
10:33 PM
It's not a dislike of /h/ specifically, I think that's just the one that usually gets criticized because there are plenty of very widely spoken languages without it
 
h
 
I'd think their views on seximal would be more well known
Base 6 ftw
 
Is requiring answers to output accurate to 5 decimal places unreasonable when the input will have a max of 3 decimal places?
 
A little
 
Really? Are many languages going to struggle with 5 d.p of accuracy?
 
10:38 PM
Why require more than we'll be getting? Be consistent with the decimal places. If you want 5 of accuracy, give 5 of accuracy
 
Wouldn't giving 5 accuracy make it harder?
 
@Lyxal I'm drafting a fib-based challenge involving \$\phi^n\$, so giving \$x\$ d.p as input and requiring \$x\$ out seems a bit cheap
 
Have any of y'all had issues with the SE API not updating immediately?
 
Can't say I have
 
Set up some debug stuff, now I just need to wait for another question to get answered :/
Oh, okay, looks like tags will be updating in about four hours.
Do y'all prefer the spelling "gray" or "grey"?
 
Offend everyone equally :P
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI That is cursed
 
10:57 PM
@RedwolfPrograms grey personally, but I'm not bothered
 
I like gray more
 
always been partial to grey
feels more grey
 
Honestly, I don't think anyone cares.
 
grey does feel more grey, but gray looks nicer
 
Isn't a the american way?
 
10:58 PM
Do what you want, as long as you use æ somewhere :P
 
i think it's supposed to be yeah
 
CSS doesn't care.
 
It's more common, but not a standard
 
@RedwolfPrograms grœy
 
10:59 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing groey or groy? That's new.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing That looks like what color I'd describe gruel as
 
@RedwolfPrograms I personally prefer "variant of the colour when red green and blue are equal"
Then spelling doesn't matter
 
@Lyxal I prefer "variant of the color when red, green, and blue are equal"
 
guess imma going to answer another question today to test my userscript
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I knew someone was going to say that
I fully expected someone to do so
 
11:02 PM
Imagine an entire country not knowing how to spell "color" :p
 
Well, of course I had to correct your spelling of the word "color." :P
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I baited you to do so
 
@RedwolfPrograms Imagine a good part of the world not knowing how to spell it
 
Get predicted punk
 
@Lyxal So you claim, but what proof do you have that your mistake was intentional?
 
11:03 PM
Does pastebin have a max length?
 
@RedwolfPrograms I use "grey" to not get it confused with Gray code
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI "then spelling doesn't matter" - I realised that colour has two different spellings and thought "someone is going to pick up on the fact that colour also has two spellings. I'll post it anyway and see who points out the issue"
 
@Lyxal Tsk tsk, you just misspelled "colour" and "realised"
 
I'm off to go play some mobile Minecraft
o/
 
o/
Quick, rename the chatroom while they're gone! We must allow no bedrock players within our ranks :p
 
11:11 PM
? Rename this chatroom?
 
Unfortunately, none of us are ROs (yet), so we can't rename the chatroom :P
 
You probably will be soon, as will Bubbler
It looks like Redwolf and Lyxal will be voted in too
 
Then I propose "The Twenty Twenty-First Byte" because it's 2021 now :P
 
But is that 21 bytes long? :P
 
How about "Tenth Byte?" It has nothing to do with the year or golf, but it's shorter :P
 
11:16 PM
Incidentally "The Twenty-First Byte" is exactly 21 bytes long.
 
Let's rename it to that then :p
 
But TNB has to do with golf, right?
 
This is a bar people go to after golfing all day :P
 
11:16 PM
I'm joking
err...making a joke
 
Yeah, the 19th hole :p
 
I am not Jo King
 
It's good Lyxal isn't here :P
Quick, delete your messages before they come back!
 
@RedwolfPrograms YoU'rE nOt JoKiNg, YoU'rE rEdWoLf PrOgRaMs
 
Does it have anything to do with the Tavern? (TNB, I mean)
 
11:18 PM
In golf, the nineteenth hole is a slang term for a pub, bar, or restaurant on or near the golf course, very often the clubhouse itself. A standard round of golf has only eighteen holes of play. An alternate term for a bar is a "watering hole;" thus, by extension, continuing the day after 18 holes of golf at a watering hole makes the bar a "nineteenth hole." The concept is similar to Après-ski in skiing.The 19th hole on miniature golf courses is often a hole in which if a hole-in-one is scored, one receives a free game. == References in media == The golf stories of author P. G. Wodehouse, which...
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh dear, you've contracted...Lyxal-itis
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, I've heard about that, but I was wondering if there was another reference in there
 
Don't think so (at least not intentionally)
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI There's the Tavern on the Meta (MM's main chat room)
Most of the chat rooms are puns/plays on words :P
 
Yeah, that's what I was talking about
Right, IPS has a room called "The Awkward Silence"
 
-~1 is 2 right
okay it is
 
11:21 PM
-~x is x+1
 
Yep, always forget which way around it is
 
@RedwolfPrograms Have you seen this? :P
 
Ew gross, only 6 and no keybinds?
Halfway golfed JS code is very scary looking
 
@RedwolfPrograms Halway golfed JS code is very scary looking
 
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Halfway golfed JS code is very scary looking
 
11:27 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Halfway golfed JS code is very scary looking
 
@Bubbler Gotta agree with that, their pfp is very intimidating :P
 
Patch is harmless :P
 
That's what all dog and cat owners think.
 
Unless you're a tennis ball, in which case I can't help you :P
 
It's not so fun when their "harmless" pet chases you all the way to your car :(
@cairdcoinheringaahing How did you know? :P
 
11:29 PM
@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI i would love to see a cat chasing someone to their car tbh
 
My mate's cat is more of a dog than a cat :P Seen it full on play fetch with Nerf bullets :P
 
It was a dog, but a cat would still be scary.
 
@RedwolfPrograms depends on how many shades of it I need. for 256 it needs to be grey. for 50 you can get away with gray.
 
@RedwolfPrograms Is it possible to move the location of the Reception userscript text?
 
Where do you want it to be?
 
11:44 PM
Further across. I'll grab a screen grab to show you where/why
Found a new userscript which takes up the same space as the Reception one
 
Hmm, I'm not sure what that userscript will do that could mess up the DOM for mine. Would putting it farther to the left work?
Maybe between Active and Viewed?
 
Yeah, wherever's easiest
 
Try going into the code and changing order from 3 to 2. If it still doesn't work I'll need to make some more changes.
Looks like it's on line 14
 
Oh my, found another regex bug. This time in Java. It's still present in the latest version, Java SE 16 (2021-03-16). Do you make me up? - Try it online! - it should work with the ^ anchor removed, and it does in Perl and .NET, but not in Java. Quite bizarre. Same happens if I use a comma delimiter instead of newline.
 
@RedwolfPrograms Hasn't worked :(
 
11:49 PM
I guess I'll have to take a look at what the other userscript's doing at some point
 
Now that the question's got an upvote, it's changed to just be Roomba No
 
Oh nice, found a bug in my new userscript when caird posted that question
 
[drake no] posting questions or answers for fun
[drake yes] posting to help redwolf test his userscript for bugs
 
[drake yes with laser eyes] posting to hit 30k :P
 
My userscript is too fast lol
The API can't update fast enough it seems
 
11:57 PM
[whatever comes next] posting to get peer pressure badge
 
@RedwolfPrograms DJ Khaled: Suffering from Success :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing Only 3k to get onto page 1 of all time rep, then I will be on page 1 for 2 different categories :D
...And that's exactly how I thought the RO nominations would play out :P
 

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