The Nineteenth Byte

Mendeleev

9:01 AM

I have successfully installed Arch Linux

Again

On the replaced SSD

Lembik

dear math people.. if I write d|x-y as in d divides x - y, do I need brackets?

Adám

@Lembik I suppose |, being a form of division, has precedence over -.

@Lembik It is exactly confusion like that which APL prevents by not having an arbitrary precedence order.

hmm.. thanks

I'm back

@Adám Why is APL?

9:09 AM

| and % have higher precedence that ±, hence you need to write d|(x-y) or (x-y)%d=0

V. Courtois

@Lembik what do you mean?

Lembik

@Mr.Xcoder thanks

@V.Courtois about which part?

I made two points

V. Courtois

x) i thought the "reply" would notify

the second one

Mr. Xcoder

@Lembik The pleasure's on my side.

Fatalize

Math is not a programming language, if it's clearer to use parentheses then use them

Lembik

9:10 AM

@Mr.Xcoder :)

Fatalize

and in that case, it clears any possible confusion

Adám

@Mendeleev Why is APL? ‽

Lembik

@V.Courtois oh right.. you say there are two parts to your challenge

but you don't mention the part where they have to sample according to the pmf they just made

Mendeleev

@Adám Is a joke. Don't kill me please

Mr. Xcoder

@Fatalize I answered @Lembik because I had some trouble in the past with this confusion

V. Courtois

9:11 AM

@Mr.Xcoder is that so? but "If (sum of all numbers since the previous lennyface) is equal to zero or negative, you must do as if the numerator is equal to 1 in f's definition." and "positive AND negative integers"

Mr. Xcoder

@V.Courtois Why ping me?

V. Courtois

you just removed your question...

Mr. Xcoder

I did not..

What question?

Lembik

@V.Courtois I am asking you two questions :)

V. Courtois

@V.Courtois I see it doesn't have a negative score anymore :P

Lembik

9:13 AM

first, shouldn't you add in the part about doing the sampling

Mr. Xcoder

That was @Lembik

Lembik

second, do your probabilities actually sum to 1

V. Courtois

ooh

Adám

You cannot offend me (try!), but I just don't understand your question, even as a joke. Why is APL [in existence]? Why is APL [like that]? Why is APL [not like that]?
Why[,] is APL [different]?

Mr. Xcoder

@V.Courtois Yes, the sandbox post has 0 now, it doesn't have -1 anymore!

Lembik

9:14 AM

face1 -1 face2 -1 face3

what are the probabities in that csae?

V. Courtois

ahh ok @Mr xcoder

Lembik

please tell me :)

Mendeleev

@Adám What is the best way to lean APL? Why should I use APL?

V. Courtois

face1 -1 face2 -1 face3 => face1 1/3 face2 1/3 face3 1/3

Mr. Xcoder

@Mendeleev First get a keyboard for APL

V. Courtois

9:15 AM

ah*

it's not clear xD

Mendeleev

@Mr.Xcoder I use an Apple wireless keyboard. Is that a problem?

Mr. Xcoder

Else you won't be able to type anything unless you copy-paste

Lembik

face1 -1 face2 10 face3 -1 ?

what are the probs there?

Mr. Xcoder

@SIGSEGV Finally a new question of yours

SIGSEGV

@Adám What the heck is wrong with [people who don't use] you[r language correctly]?

V. Courtois

9:16 AM

face1 -1 face2 10 face3 -1 => face1 1/12, face2 1/12, face3 10/12

what i meant by 'it's not clear' was 'i don't say it well'

Mr. Xcoder

@SIGSEGV Are we allowed to print to STDERR?

SIGSEGV

umm

compile-time

Mr. Xcoder

ah, right

pfff

Lembik

@V.Courtois Right... please clear that up :)

V. Courtois

doin it

Lembik

9:20 AM

also my examples might be helpful

New Main Posts

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Q: "Hello, World", Even before it runs

Warning: This challenge is only valid for languages with a compiler. Make a program (which is perfectly valid code) that outputs Hello, World, even before runtime. How? Let me explain. Many languages have a compiler. Some operations are made in the compile-time, and others, in runtime. You...

Adám

@Mendeleev Best way depends on the audience. In general, I'd say going through Mastering Dyalog APL (or some other quality Book) while having an interactive APL session at hand (not TIO) and keeping a browser window open with the APL chat room, is a pretty safe bet.

At least that's how Martin Ender learned it.

V. Courtois

f(l)=(sum of all numbers since the previous lennyface)/(sum of f(u) for each lennyface u in the list)

Mr. Xcoder

Can anyone help me understand PeterTaylor's comment: "You should floor the densities, such that you don't have to handle decimal precision errors" ?! sgn(sum(m)/count(m) - sum(n)/count(n)) = sgn(sum(m)*count(n) - sum(n)*count(m)) so it can be done exactly and entirely in integers."?

This is the post we were talking about:

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Compare the densities of my numbers SANDBOX Test case suggestions Relevant tags Formatting / Wording Improvements I/O suggestions You will be given two positive integers N and M, your task is to compare their densities. How to determine how dense a number is (e.g: N=267)? ...

Lembik

poor @SIGSEGV

sorry your question is being murdered

Lyndon White

9:31 AM

@Mr.Xcoder can you explain where is confusiong about it?

SIGSEGV

;-;

Lyndon White

What is the best way to ask for help with a proposed challange?
When it is in the really vague stage?

Should I discuss it here and then once it is what I think is good put in in the sandbox for a bit til it is properly neat and clear?

Or should I just go straight to the sand box

Right now I'm not sure if my proposal is best served as codegolf or as a popularity contest.

SIGSEGV

(I meant the latter)

Lembik

@LyndonWhite I discuss it a little here.. then people say "For the hundreth time, sandbox it!" then I do that

then I discuss it here again :)

but pointing to the sandbox

:)

Lyndon White

So I should skip the first part and go straight to the second?

SIGSEGV

9:36 AM

"Sandbox it"

Do it

V. Courtois

'what i did, and sandbox helped me quite a lot

SIGSEGV

Just do it

Ignore the former option

gogogogogogo

to the sandbox

good

whew

Lyndon White

Cool

Makes sense, otherwise main chat would be nothing but people sandboxing via converstation

SIGSEGV

Oh no

My comeback is always bad

this was the second time

mınxomaτ

"Fatal Error: Your start menu doesn't work. Sign out and we'll fix it". Guess what, it's not fixed, every time I try to open my start menu now, I get signed out. God damn it Windows....

SIGSEGV

9:46 AM

8 or 10?

mınxomaτ

10

Mr. Xcoder

@LyndonWhite I talked to them and understood what they meant. Sorry for disrupting you

Lyndon White

np

Erik the Outgolfer

@mınxomaτ it's easy to escape that ₩indo₩$ hell...

mınxomaτ

It isn't if you need to work for MS. Privately, I'm all Linux.

Erik the Outgolfer

9:51 AM

oh you work there? yeah they pay goooood

I suppose

because I dunno how well they pay regular workers...

Dada

@Mr.Xcoder Python is compiled (to bytecode) before being interpreted, so it falls in the category of "languages with a compiler".

(in reaction to this comment)

Erik the Outgolfer

umm...I think that "bytecode" is actually some form of cache

also I think op disallowed errors

Dada

yes, the answer isn't valid, but not for the reason given by Mr.Xcoder

what do you mean "some form of cache" ?

Erik the Outgolfer

well, it's still the python interpreter running the program, not some executable by itself

Dada

indeed, but it's compiled nevertheless (not to native code, but still).

Erik the Outgolfer

10:00 AM

yet only syntax errors appear at "compile time" and I don't think there's any errorless way to output anything

Dada

and the python interpreter could be called, more accurately, the python bytecode intepreter.

maybe it's true in Python; I'm not familiar with the language well enough

but for instance, in Perl (which is compiled to bytecode, same as Python); you can execute code at compile time

Erik the Outgolfer

in Python you're already in runtime afaik

Dada

A compile-time warning could do. (but maybe Python's compiler doesn't issue any warnings)

(about some ambiguity, some unitialized values, some unreachable code.. there are a lot of good reasons to issue warnings, and if the compiler show something like "warning: near XXXX", then you could arrange for XXX to be "Hello, World" and it's won)
(but once again, I don't know if Python's compiler issues warnings for such things)

Erik the Outgolfer

python compiler doesn't issue warnings at all

it looks like it's doing everything in runtime

and the bytecode stuff you refer to aren't python bytecode but cache

New Sandboxed Posts

10:26 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Create The Correct Path Which would be better code golf with shortest code and being able to run on at least two operating systems or code challenge and scoring by how many operating systems it can run on? (code-golf OR code-challenge) file-system Given an input create a program that when ran ...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Lorum Ipsum Generator Lorum Ipsum is placeholder text used when preparing layout without wanted to have content already filled. One of it's key features over using some arbitrary text is that it is nonsense. It isn't even valid latin (though it is close). This prevents anyone being shown the la...

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0

Q: Draw a probability road

Background I'm conducting a probability experiment. I have a collection of live rats, and I'm going to assign each rat a probability as a percentage integer from 1 to 99 (inclusive). The experiment will last 10 weeks, and at the end of each week, I'll roll a 100-sided die. Any rats who have a hi...

code-golf ascii-art probability-theory

Adám

@mınxomaτ Yeah. I miss my Win7 Start menu. 10's explorer is flaky, and the Start menu doesn't anyway isn't a proper Explorer instance, so I cannot interact with the files it shows (e.g. to drag them into an email), as I only get .lnk files.

New Sandboxed Posts

10:58 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Draw a Probability Road code-golf ascii-art probability-theory Background I'm conducting a probability experiment. I have a collection of live rats, and I'm going to assign each rat a probability as a percentage integer from 1 to 99 (inclusive). The experiment will last 10 weeks, and at the end...

mınxomaτ

@Adám I would like to work at all right now. Nothing fixes this error. This was introduced by the cumulative update 1703 and/or the recent 'urgen' flash player fix.

New Main Posts

11:45 AM

0

Q: Compress a sparse matrix

Compress a sparse matrix Compress a sparse matrix using Compressed sparse row (CSR, CRS or Yale format). These are all the same form of compression (ignore new Yale). Input may be any 2d data structure (list of lists, etc): e.g [[0 0 0 0], [5 8 0 0], [0 0 3 0], [0 6 0 0]] And the output ...

code-golf number array-manipulation matrix

2

Q: It was just an input-bug

Continuing my It was just a bug challenge: Input: A string consisting of printable ASCII characters without white-spaces nor new-lines. Output: First turn the input into a palindrome by reverting the input, and adding it before itself, excluding the middle character (i.e. with an input 123456...

code-golf ascii-art

Lembik

12:05 PM

how long should you leave a question before accepting an answer if it has lots of answers?

Mr. Xcoder

~5-7 days

Lembik

thanks :)

and what if it has only 1 answer?

Mr. Xcoder

~3 weeks

Lembik

I love the clarity of your answers :)

thanks

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/129431/… needs more answers

it's not so hard

especially since isaacg has explained how to do it :)

hmm.. tempted to pose a discrete log challenge

New Main Posts

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Q: Counting from 1 to n without any consecutive numbers

Goal You are given an integer n. You need to count from 1 to n without any consecutive numbers. Your program must output how many combinations can achieve this. We will call f(n) the function that takes in n and output the numbers of valid combinations. Example For n = 6, a possible solutio...

code-golf

Dada

12:20 PM

@Lembik Or you could not accept any answer, that might be even better.

Lembik

ah ok

but then I feel bad for people who love to have their answers accepted

Dada

the competition shouldn't be over all programming languages, but rather between "comparable" ones (ie. python vs JS vs ruby for instance), so it's better not to accept any answer

Mr. Xcoder

Omg, trying to solve "It was just an input bug", I got this:

0        9        8        7        6        5        4        3        2        1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        0
0       9       8       7       6       5       4       3       2       1       2       3       4       5       6       7       8       9       0
0      9      8      7      6      5      4      3      2      1      2      3      4      5      6      7      8      9      0
0     9     8     7     6     5     4     3     2     1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9     0

Mayube

@Mr.Xcoder it was only a bug 2: golflectric boogaloo

Mr. Xcoder

I changed on character, I got this:

Mayube

12:29 PM

@KevinCruijssen

Mr. Xcoder

0        9        8        7        6        5        4        3        2        1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        0
0       9       8       7       6       5       4       3       2       1       2       3       4       5       6       7       8       9       0
0      9      8      7      6      5      4      3      2      1      2      3      4      5      6      7      8      9      0
0     9     8     7     6     5     4     3     2     1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9     0

Mayube

@Mr.Xcoder now it's just the original It was just a bug

Mr. Xcoder

No, It's palindromic

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder one character removed from my solution

Mr. Xcoder

The link again

New Sandboxed Posts

12:51 PM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Abbreviate a rename After you commit a rename, git reminds you but tries to avoid showing the full source and target path. It does this by splitting the path into components, extracting identical leading and trailing components, then using them to abbreviate the rename. (Other output that git pr...

New Main Posts

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Q: Regex, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock

Warm up: Regex, Paper, Scissors This is the challenge I originally wanted to post, before realising that some very short solution exist. Nevertheless, it can be an interesting problem to think about in preparation for the actual challenge below. Write three regexes R, P and S such that they mat...

code-golf regular-expression

totallyhuman

Oh noes regex golf

Business Cat

1:33 PM

Wow 4 upvotes in 1 minute :O

dzaima

was just about to say that

Lembik

hi.. which languages have a function for discrete log? I want to pose a discrete log challenge

Fatalize

^ probably Mathematica

Lembik

ah yes

it seems sympy in theory except I can't get it to import

Fatalize

what would the challenge be asking for?

New Main Posts

1:52 PM

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Q: BASKETBALL FRVR?

You might already be familiar with the game: Basketball FRVR in facebook. There are two types of score you can make: A virgin-shot:(we call it so in our country :D) When the ball enters the basket without touching the rim or A stale shot: When the ball enters the basket, but after touching the...

code-golf combinatorics

Martin Ender

@Lembik many languages have base conversion, and discrete log is really just base convert + length

Lembik

@MartinEnder that has confused me slightly. Discrete log is computationally hard

but base conversion is easy

much of cryptography relies on the hardness of discrete log

Wheat Wizard

Could anyone explain this sequence? I want to make a challenge out of it but I'm having trouble explaining it.

Martin Ender

@Lembik then I'm probably thinking of the wrong concept

Lembik

@MartinEnder ok np

Martin Ender

2:02 PM

I thought you just meant integer logarithm

Lembik

say I know r and r^i and I want to compute i but we are working modulo for some large q

Martin Ender

ah okay, yeah the modulo part would make that a tough problem

Fatalize

My guess is that Lembik's challenge will have another one of those time limits

Lembik

@Fatalize you are guessing well

@Fatalize do you hate the time limits?

Fatalize

I don't like them, no, but I was saying that here because it explains why you think it'll be a difficult challenge

Mayube

2:07 PM

@Lembik We generally prefer 1 indicator of the validity of a submission

Fatalize

because otherwise the formula itself is very simple, and you can just brute force

Mayube

"Your program must do X, your score is based on Y", not "Your program must do X and Z, your score is based on Y"

Fatalize

well it could be a fastest-time challenge, in that case it's perfectly fine

Lembik

@Mayube the shortest code that is reasonably fast.. is that really bad?

or.. the shortest non-naive solution

@Fatalize thanks

I personally just don't find code-golf for brute force solutions very interesting in general

of course we can all like different things!

Fatalize

I am biased againt time-based challenges, so my opinion is definitely not representative of all people here

dzaima

2:13 PM

maybe restricted-complexity?

Mayube

@Fatalize right but then that's still "Do X, scored with Y", it's just that now Y is time taken instead of code length

Lembik

@dzaima it's definitely a variant of that but not exactly that

maybe we could have a new tag

@Mayube to be fair, write code that is correct according to my spec scored by length is also Do X, scored by Y :)

@dzaima the issue that I don't want to specify the complexity. Just the rough maximum running time on real inputs

Mayube

@Lembik but you're asking "Do X and Z, scored by Y", where X is complete a task, Y is code length, and Z is "it must complete in under X time"

Lembik

@Mayube right ... but you could say it is do X (the spec includes the max running time) scored by Y which is code length

it's a question of what you think a spec is

specs often have many parts

but it's just a matter of taste. You don't have to want to answer those questions but many people do it seems

and if we had a more appropriate tag that would be even better

speed-golf :)

I should say it's not just me asking this type of code-golf question

there a number of advantages of this over fastest-code for example

in particular, it allows more languages to be competitive

dzaima

The problem with that idea is that there has to be some one person who has to test all the submissions and compiled & optimized languages have a big advantage

Lembik

2:33 PM

@dzaima why do they have an advantage?

see codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/129716/…

TIO is really helpful for this

fastest-code on the other hand does have the problem that one person has to run all the code

dzaima

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Q: Is TIO acceptable for fastest-code questions?

I like to ask fastest-code questions. However, I don't want to run everyone's code on my PC, partly because I only have access to a slow Windows laptop at the moment and I can't imagine I could even run most code in most languages. Is it acceptable to ask people to include a TIO link in their...

discussion

Lembik

that's my question!

why have you posted it?

dzaima

oh

lol

Lembik

:)

dzaima

well someone's gotta be able to test if it succeeds to do it in the time limit

Lembik

2:35 PM

but for the "code-golf but it can't be too slow" questions TIO is great

@dzaima right but because clever solutions are normally way under the time limit TIO tells you

for most of the answers

you win some and you lose some with every type of question of course

V. Courtois

Maybe you can just tell them it can't exceed 3s or sth.

Lembik

@V.Courtois that's what I do

V. Courtois

^^

Lembik

or I quite liked it when I just said it had to complete on their computer

dzaima

then the person with a supercomputer and jelly knowledge would win :p

Lembik

2:42 PM

@dzaima what factor slower is jelly than C?

@dzaima but actually no... a brute force solution is often never going to finish on any computer no matter how fast

2^100 operations ain't happening, for examplle

Business Cat

Jelly is written in Python which is written in C, so a fair bit

Adám

@Lembik Define C.

Lembik

@Adám No :)

Not until you define define

maybe one day we will have a Timeit Online tool

Mayube

@BusinessCat and C is written in Assembly :)

Adám

@Lembik If you mean the C code that gets run by Jelly, then they have the same speed. If you mean the same algorithm (without unnecessary checking done by Python), but coded straight in C, then considerably, but not a fair comparison. If you mean C written for the same task, by a good C programmer, but with no access to the Jelly or Python code, then C may actually be slower, because the programmer cannot optimise like the Python interpreter does.

dzaima

2:47 PM

isn't C written in C?

or was that C++?

Lembik

@dzaima you mean gcc?

Mayube

@dzaima go write a python interpreter in python, before python exists, and get back to me on that ;)

Lembik

gcc is in C afaik

dzaima

I don't know lol

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Q: How was the first C compiler written?

Is it true that the first C compiler was written in C itself? Then, how was it executed and compiled? Or, was this compiler written in assembly language?

c assembly compiler-construction

Shaggy

'Lo, all :)

Mayube

2:49 PM

usually when writing a compiler we use either assembly language, or another programming language, and it's common that after first compilation, the compiler is rewritten in it's native language.

huh...

Adám

@Mayube The Dyalog APL interpreter is partially written in Dyalog APL.

@Mayube Yes, you can then use the sub-optimal compiler to make a new compiler.

dzaima

I see no advantage of speed-golf over code-golf and restricted-complexity or fastest-algorithm anyways, except that well-optimized languages get no bonus and noone has to test the submissions

Step Hen

@Mayube Pretty sure Java's written in itself

Shaggy

I'm beginning to feel bad for this guy! codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/46762

The amount of notifications he must receive from comment pings across the network!

Step Hen

@Shaggy You have to be a part of the conversation to get pings

Shaggy

2:54 PM

@StepHen That's not nearly as funny :(

Step Hen

@Shaggy Sorry to burst your bubble

New Main Posts

3:13 PM

2

Q: What is the standard scratch?

In golf, the standard scratch of a course is calculated using this formula: (3*num_of_3_par_holes + 4*num_of_4_par_holes + 5*num_of_5_par_holes) - difficulty_rating Your task is to calculate the standard scratch of a golf course, given these 4 inputs. You should take input in any standard for...

code-golf math number

V. Courtois

@NewMainPosts why r u so slow omg

dzaima

I wonder whats the longest it has taken to post a post

Poke

@StepHen the jvm isn't

Okx

What to do about this? codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/41637 the user is not in chat.

dzaima

ask mod to superping or whatever it's called

why does commenting take that much rep

Adám

3:22 PM

I thought you could comment ping anyone who had edited a post.

@dzaima To prevent spam.

dzaima

allowing answers from 1 rep is more spammy than comments (comments are way smaller in size)

Okx

If I start typing @Theh.. in the comment box, the name doesn't come up in white above as what would usual happen

Adám

@Okx It may still work, although now you've rejected the edit, it may not work anymore.

dzaima

reply anyway, the person might want to get the answer you know

Okx

Okay

Step Hen

3:25 PM

@Okx Little late now, but (IIRC) you could have replied in the edit reject comment

dzaima

^

Okx

oh :P

New Main Posts

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Q: Rectangular difference

In this challenge, you are given two overlapping rectangles, and you need to calculate the rectangles created by removing one from the other. For example, if you remove the red rectangle from the black one: You end up with one of the following two rectangle sets: You'll also need to handl...

code-golf

dzaima

@NewMainPosts that was fast

Step Hen

I think New Main Posts just posts all new posts every half hour or so, so if you post it at the right time you get in fast

HyperNeutrino

3:30 PM

It depends on when the RSS feed updates.

Nathan Merrill

I did get lucky :)

Martin Ender

3:46 PM

you could have tried a bit harder with the tags ;)

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Nathan Merrill

oh, I totally forgot about tags

Erik the Outgolfer

I can always try a bit harder with code-golf

Nathan Merrill

I typed in "code-golf" and then realized I forgot to put the "this is code-golf" in my post

which I then totally forgot about the rest of the tags

I really like the set partitions tag

I had no idea that existed

Erik the Outgolfer

at least we have tag master to help

Nathan Merrill

are these the same challenge:

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Q: Partial factorisations of a positive integer

A collection of positive integers d_1 d_2 ... d_k is a factorisation of a positive integer n if d_1 * d_2 * ... * d_k = n Each positive integer has a unique prime factorisation, but in general they also have factorisations in which some of the terms are composite. E.g. 12 = 6 * 2 = 4 * 3 = 3 ...

code-golf number-theory combinatorics set-partitions

25

Q: List all multiplicative partitions of n

Given a positive number n, output all distinct multiplicative partitions of n in any convenient format. A multiplicative partition of n is a set of integers, all greater than one, such that their product is n. For example, 20 has the following distinct multiplicative partitions: 2 * 2 * 5 2 * 1...

code-golf number-theory combinatorics set-partitions

there's a "related" in the comments

so clearly they aren't

but I don't see the difference

actually...the related is like a month later, so there may not have even been a discussion about it

Step Hen

4:10 PM

I just cracked something on the Cops and Robbers Polyglot thread, but I have no clue why it worked 0.o

Mayube

I'm apparently a hero in the office for writing a python script that reads a list of hosts, ssh's into each one, and runs commands from a txt file

New Main Posts

4:27 PM

0

Q: Print your answer

You must write code to print out your answer. The answer must include the following: Your code, byte count, name of language and the formatting style of TIO (H1 header for bytecount/language name, and formatted code.) Rules Code-golf rules. You may add other items to answer not included here. ...

code-golf quine

Christopher

I am jinxed. I thought I have a new idea. Found no dupes and BAM. dupe

@EriktheOutgolfer can you help reopen my challenge? I changed it to bowling so the answers will be different.

Oh wait nvm. (you can still help XD) I thought for some reason that gold-badge can perma close until another gold opens XD

Erik the Outgolfer

of course it can be reopened by vote...also asking people to reopen your challenge is somewhat like asking for upvotes...they will reopen it themselves if they see fit

also if you used the sandbox and no dupe was found there then you can use the titlebox and a "similar questions" thingy will pop up below and that's better than just searching

also I'm now more cautious with dupe close/reopen voting since I have hammer

and no now that this isn't code-golf I can't use gold powers anymore

totallyhuman

hey how much of an achievement is it to out-golf cjam

Erik the Outgolfer

what language?

Business Cat

CJam is one of the most verbose golfing languages

Step Hen

4:40 PM

@totallyhuman If you're using an ASCII-based lang it's pretty good

totallyhuman

aw ;-;

Erik the Outgolfer

@StepHen there's also pyth

Step Hen

@totallyhuman But if you're using another golfing lang that uses all 256 chars and all that, it's just that your lang does that better than CJam

totallyhuman

this

ofc the cjam code looks quite funky

i have no idea how it works

Erik the Outgolfer

well in ,,, it's quite an achievement imo

it was way fewer stuff than cjam afaict

Step Hen

4:42 PM

heh well I got 14 bytes with my ASCII-based lang, so ha

totallyhuman

at the moment, it does have a very low amount of features

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer I also have this problem now. Wonder if I could edit away the code-golf and then CV, if I'm not certain.

Erik the Outgolfer

that's abuse imo

like, well, questions are not your sandbox

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Why is it abuse? I'm lessening my powers.

Erik the Outgolfer

using questions as your sandboxes is still abuse though as I said above

totallyhuman

4:46 PM

question: i'm planning on introducing the syntax ~n where n is a number which will push the item at the index n

Erik the Outgolfer

and vice versa (editing the tag in) is one of the worst abuses you can do imo

totallyhuman

should it pop the item or not?

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer I don't understand what you mean by that. Who's using a question as a sandbox, and what does that even mean?

@EriktheOutgolfer Vice versa is of course terrible abuse. But that wasn't my question.

Erik the Outgolfer

well, what do you mean? you wanna change the tags and then cv or something with a valid reason?

or just testing?

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Not testing. Since my CV is a hammer, I'd sometimes want to record my opinion without hammering. By removing the tag, I can CV without hammering.

Step Hen

4:49 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Take off code-golf CV add it back

Adám

@StepHen Exactly.

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Q: Scoring in non binary language

How would you score a language based off of having 3 voltages 0v 2.5v and 5v AKA not binary but ternary. So how would this be scored?

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Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám that's unfortunately doing lots more stuff than just cv...

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer So?

Step Hen

@EriktheOutgolfer But it doesn't hammer :P

Erik the Outgolfer

4:51 PM

first of all it bumps question to front page...not so important(?)

Adám

Goldtaggers should have a way to non-hammer CV.

Erik the Outgolfer

there's also waiting until close (4) appears

Adám

Like a pop-up when CVing that asks "Do you want to hammer?".

Step Hen

@EriktheOutgolfer but what if there aren't any CVs, and you want to put it in the queue

Erik the Outgolfer

it doesn't get in the queue like that afaik

totallyhuman

4:52 PM

@totallyhuman anybody?

Step Hen

(ofc you could just meta it or ask chat or something)

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Not an option. I can't sit around like that. I have other things to do, but want to perform my civic duty now that I've noticed a bad post.

@StepHen Ask chat?

Step Hen

@Adám Whether or not you should hammer

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám again I haven't tried doing edit back and forth...

Adám

@StepHen Isn't that abuse? To let others tell me what to vote?

@EriktheOutgolfer I'd test it if there was a playground.

Erik the Outgolfer

4:54 PM

me too

@Adám I agree

they should vote themselves if they have the privilege if not they should flag to close (that's how it gets in queue)

Adám

Actually, there should be a mechanism that detects Goldtaggers that add their gold tag and then CV-hammer. In such a case the CV should be an ordinary non-hammering CV.

Mr. Xcoder

I can now protect questions ÷)

totallyhuman

> ÷)

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder Congrats, but I've never seen the need for that.

Step Hen

@Adám Well that's easy, just CV before you edit