The Nineteenth Byte

Mendeleev

9:05 AM

Oh nooooooo

Jim

@Mendeleev Clearly one of my favorite games

Mendeleev

Doesn't everyone love FTL?

Mr. Xcoder

FTL: Faster Than Light

FTL: Faster Than Light is a top-down roguelike space ship simulator created by indie developer Subset Games, which was first released for Microsoft Windows, OS X and Linux in September 2012. In the game, the player controls the crew of a single spacecraft, holding critical information to be delivered to an allied fleet eight sectors away, while being pursued by a large rebel fleet. The player must guide the spacecraft over eight sectors, each with planetary systems and events procedurally generated in a roguelike fashion, while facing rebel and other hostile forces, recruiting new crew, and...

Okx

oh i though it meant free to lose

:P

Mr. Xcoder

How often do the mod elections take place?

Okx

9:21 AM

yearly

Mr. Xcoder

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Q: When do moderator elections take place?

I'm really confused on this. I have no idea on several things: When do elections begin? Is there a set time each year? Do elections actually take place each year? Can I vote? Where do I vote? Etc. Can someone please help me?

Thanks anyway, googled

Adám

@MartinEnder OK, I've removed "regex" since PCRE is the grandfather of all the advanced regexes.

I still think .NET is missing. No C# derivs?

Martin Ender

@Adám well, if anything then Perl is...

Anonymous

→ 4 messages moved to Trash

Adám

9:37 AM

@MartinEnder Perl is the parent of PCRE on the chart.

Mendeleev

@Jim IMO FTL has the best soundtrack of all the games I've played

Anonymous

@Mendeleev But Bastion and Transistor

Mendeleev

@Mego Have not played those

Anonymous

I highly recommend both. Great storytelling, gameplay, and soundtracks.

Martin Ender

@Adám right, the point is that Perl's regex syntax inspired most modern regex flavours (including PCRE), not PCRE (obviously)

@Mego this. although their narration is even more impressive than their soundtracks.

still need to revisit and finish Transistor though

Anonymous

9:42 AM

@MartinEnder I like the narration, but I'm very much a music guy, so personally I think the soundtracks are their best quality.

Okx

wait, you're not a penguin?

Martin Ender

well, I guess I'd also consider myself "a music guy" at least in terms of enjoying and appreciating it (not so much in terms of making music myself). I was just really impressed by how well the narration flows even if it responds to player choices.

Jim

@Mendeleev I agree

Mendeleev

@Jim yay

Anonymous

@MartinEnder The last level of Bastion had really good narration

Martin Ender

9:45 AM

that ending was phenomenal. best game ending I can think of.

Anonymous

Also I didn't realize at first that the same guy narrated Bastion as Rucks also narrated Transistor. Completely different styles.

Mithrandir

@MartinEnder I ran out of YouTube links. Got any suggestions that I can drop into the Practice Room? :P

Mendeleev

All I know about Transistor is that it's about a sentient sword

Martin Ender

suggestions for?

@Mego oh, just noticed that the release of Pyre is only a month away... maybe that'll motivate me to get Transistor done by then

Mithrandir

Good music. To add some variety to what I listen to.

Anonymous

9:49 AM

@Mendeleev It has very different gameplay mechanics compared to Bastion, but it's fantastic

Mithrandir

The Practice Room

General discussion for music.stackexchange.com

3

Mendeleev

@Mego What's the genre?

Martin Ender

@Mithrandir I mostly listen to post-rock (i.e. mostly instrumental rock), and some math rock and hardcore. some post rock gems that come to mind: youtube.com/watch?v=MAEJ6pX8-W0 youtube.com/watch?v=dne11-PA3JQ youtube.com/watch?v=SBOVkptjJhE

flawr

@MartinEnder do you know year of no light?

Mayube

@MartinEnder hardcore like hardcore rock? Or the genre hardcore?

Martin Ender

9:53 AM

@flawr I do, but I've only ever really gotten into Ausserwelt

Mayube

Xcoder and Mego are the only people on the starboard...

feersum

I clicked the middle one. How is it supposed tob e related to rock?

Martin Ender

@Mayube the genre hardcore/post-hardcore.

Mr. Xcoder

@Mayube And feersum as well

Martin Ender

@feersum how is it not?

Mayube

9:54 AM

interesting, quite a contrast to the other styles you listed

@Mr.Xcoder oh yeah missed that one, nevermind then

feersum

Ah well the first 2 minutes just sounded like an air conditioner.

2

Mr. Xcoder

@feersum True ^

Martin Ender

@Mayube yeah I guess, although I've found that there's a surprising amount of overlap both in terms of bands and of fan bases. the biggest post-rock oriented festival I know (in the UK) also has equal amounts of bands from those three genres

Adám

I need a .NET collection for an example, what would be a simple (shortest?) way to get one?

CMC: Return a .NET collection.

flawr

@MartinEnder I just ordered that album, the other one I really like is tocsin

Mendeleev

9:56 AM

@Adám Ruby: ->{'a .NET collection'}

Martin Ender

@flawr I don't think I've heard that one. I think I'd listened to Vampyr, but I only just found out that it's a live album.

Mr. Xcoder

@Mendeleev Loophole.

Martin Ender

I might have listened to Nord as well at some point

Mendeleev

@Mr.Xcoder is joke

Mr. Xcoder

I know :P

Mendeleev

9:57 AM

It's 3 AM here. I need to go to sleep.

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám Ninja'd

flawr

ah right

Mendeleev

@Adám I knew that.

Anonymous

@feersum You've summed up hardcore very well

Anonymous

@MartinEnder @Mithrandir I'm a big fan of all things progressive. Dream Theater is by far my favorite band.

Anonymous

9:59 AM

Pink Floyd is up there for me, too

Mr. Xcoder

Progressive like from smooth to hard?

Mithrandir

Looks like I'm definitely talking to people with very different tastes :P

Anonymous

@Mr.Xcoder Progressive as in "who needs consistent, normal time signatures?"

Martin Ender

I guess the only band I listen to that is primarily labelled as prog is Karnivool, but math rock and some hardcore also have a lot of overlap with prog rock/metal

messed up time signatures are the best

Mithrandir

@Mego oooh. Those are awesome.

Mr. Xcoder

10:01 AM

Sya, GTG

Anonymous

The Dance Of Eternity being very prog is practically a meme at this point

Mithrandir

@Mr.Xcoder o/

Uriel

@MartinEnder math rock (?)

Martin Ender

very technical, also lots of weird time signatures

Mithrandir

But even more strange is when you have more than the standard notes in an octave.

Like

Heal (31-ET)

►

Martin Ender

10:02 AM

can range from fairly soft stuff with emo/indie-like vocals to fairly hard instrumental rock

Anonymous

The Dance Of Eternity, fully meme'd

Kritixi Lithos

Do we have a challenge for printing A\nBC\nDEF\nGHIJ\n...?

Mayube

I'm more of an EDM guy myself, been into liquid DnB and japanese EDM lately

Okx

CMC: Do that ^

@KritixiLithos yes we do now

Martin Ender

@KritixiLithos should that last one be GHIJ?

feersum

10:07 AM

26 is non-triangular, so this challenge cannot exist.

Kritixi Lithos

yes... I messed up there

Adám

@KritixiLithos Something like ↑⎕A⊂⍨26↑∊1↑⍨¨+\⍳6?

Kritixi Lithos

@feersum okay then, how about the pattern repeat for 3 alphabets concatenated together? (26 × 3 = 78 which is triangular)

Martin Ender

@Mego you might like scale-the-summit.bandcamp.com/album/the-migration if you're into prog

feersum

Surely some language has a triangularly-sized alphabet.

Adám

10:10 AM

@feersum Hebrew.

Anonymous

@MartinEnder I've heard of them, but I haven't listened to them yet

Kritixi Lithos

@Adám no, the lengths of each run is only one more than the previous

throughout the pattern

Mithrandir

@feersum עברית?

Mayube

what's the smallest triangular number you can add to 26 to make a triangular number?

ah, 10

feersum

Which version of Hebrew alphabet has a triangualr number?

Mayube

10:13 AM

so if you start the alphabet triangle with ABCDE and go up from there, it'll work fine

ABCDE\nFGHIJK\nLMNOPQR\nSTUVWXYZ

Anonymous

@Mayube Alternatively, English alphabet + digits

Martin Ender

@Mayube 2

oh, triangular nubmer

Mayube

@MartinEnder 2 is not a triangular number

Martin Ender

nvm

Uriel

@Adám ⍪{⍵↑⎕A↓⍨+/⍳⍵}¨⍳8, IO 0

@feersum all of them, though 15.2 might not

Kritixi Lithos

10:15 AM

@Uriel try that for three alphabets concatenated together so that the end result will still be a triangle

Mendeleev

I just impulse bought a Steam Link. ;-;

Uriel

@KritixiLithos ⍪{⍵↑(+/⍳⍵)↓⎕A,⎕A,⎕A}¨⍳13?

@Mego ⍪{⍵↑(+/⍳⍵)↓⎕A,⎕D}¨⍳9

betseg

@Riker im generally online between 08 - 23 UTC

Kritixi Lithos

@Uriel you can drop the parentheses around ⎕A,⎕D and ⎕A,⎕A,⎕A

Adám

Really? No .NET guys in here?

flawr

10:21 AM

I'm more of a .ORG guy.

Anonymous

@Adám Oh, I missed your question. What kind of Collection are you looking for?

Adám

@Mego Anything. code-golf

Martin Ender

is the type of the collection's elements irrelevant as well?

Adám

@MartinEnder Pretty much, yeah.

Anonymous

A (C#) List<int> would probably be easiest: List<int> lst = new List<int>({1, 2, 3, 4, 5});

Adám

10:23 AM

@Mego I'd assume such a simple thing does not require the very latest .NET, right?

Martin Ender

how about "".ToList()?

Uriel

@Mego can you skip the first List<int> for var?

Martin Ender

yes

Anonymous

@Adám Of course not. 2.0 introduced generics.

Anonymous

@Uriel Yes, but I don't like to.

Martin Ender

10:24 AM

why not? o_O

it's visual bloat that adds no additional information

Adám

@MartinEnder Strange. My .NET string does not have a ToList method ⍨

Mayube

ToList() is provided by Linq

Anonymous

@MartinEnder I prefer having the types as part of the definition in strongly-typed langs

Adám

@Mego Something off here.I'm on 4.0 and can't create a list.

Anonymous

My inner C programmer won't let me use var :P

Mayube

10:26 AM

@Adám using System.Collections.Generic;

Anonymous

@Adám What code are you using? The code I posted above?

Kritixi Lithos

@Uriel I was/am trying a solution using the partition function provided by ⊂ with ⎕ML←3

Anonymous

@Mayube Also that

Uriel

@Mego well, c++ has auto

Anonymous

@Uriel Not when I first learned it :P

feersum

10:26 AM

It also has writing the type only once, period.

As in vector<int> lst{1,2,3,4,5};.

Anonymous

@feersum Yeah, C# could do with initializer lists

Mayube

@Adám Works in Mono

Anonymous

auto was introduced in C++11. I learned C++ in 2009, and didn't know anything about C++11's planned features, or the beta implementations (like C++0x).

Adám

@Mayube Yeah, turn out it is the type specification that made troubles.

@Mego It is in APL.

Anonymous

And that's not touching on auto's previous use as a storage class :P

Anonymous

10:35 AM

@Adám Then I can't help you :P I haven't found time to learn APL yet

Adám

Anyway, now I have a way to create an array. Thank you all anyway.

Anonymous

Glad to help

Adám

@Mego Never too late.

Anonymous

@Adám Oh, I intend to learn it. I've just been too busy with work lately to do any language learning or development.

Alex K Chen

def prop(a,b):
	for i in range(2,a):
		c= 1
		d=1
		if sq(i):
			while (d < b):
				e = (i*d*d)+1
				f = int(e**.5)
				if (e - f*f)==0:
					print(f,i)
					d = b+1
				else:
					d = d+1
		else:
			print("Square ****",i)

For b > 100000, why the python code magically stops at 60?

Kritixi Lithos

10:38 AM

@Uriel ehhh, I get this using partition, ⊃(⎕A,⎕A,⎕A)⊂⍨{1++/⍵>+\⍳78}¨⍳78

Adám

@KritixiLithos +\⍳⍵}¨⍳78

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Q: Triangular Dependencies

A triangular number is a number that is the sum of n natural numbers from 1 to n. For example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10 so 10 is a triangular number. Given a positive integer (0 < n <= 10000) as input (can be taken as an integer, or as a string), return the smallest possible triangular number that can ...

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Alex K Chen

@Mego (You know python, right ?) Did you see my above question ^^^ ?

Adám

@KritixiLithos (⎕A,⎕A,⎕A) → (78⍴⎕A)

Kritixi Lithos

thanks

Mayube

10:47 AM

Hmm, we have challenges such as largest number in 10 bytes. What about smallest positive real number in x bytes?

PhiNotPi

@Mithrandir repost alert! Lol

Mithrandir

Yeah, I do that when I like things ;P

Fatalize

@Mayube Everyone will find an answer for 1

Mayube

@Fatalize 0.1 < 1

Downgoat

@Mayube 1/MAX_INT

Mayube

10:53 AM

@Downgoat wouldn't work in all languages, wouldn't necessarily work if byte limit was 5, also I think you can get smaller than that

Downgoat

Actually i think CGFloat might have smallest number built in brb

CGFloat.leastNormalMagnitude

Doesn't work with such small byte limit though

Wait DBL_MIN works for 7 byte

Alex K Chen

Anybody knows python ?

Nobody knows python ?!

Mayube

nobody knows python

nobody in the entire world

Alex K Chen

Mayube, mayube is true.

totallyhuman

I know some

Alex K Chen

11:04 AM

@totallyhuman What's happening here ?

totallyhuman

Stops at 60 what?

Alex K Chen

I mean it magically stops to produce any pairs after 60

But for b <10000 it works fine.

Adám

11:18 AM

@Mayube @Mego Here is a nice example:

      ⎕USING←'System.Collections'
      h←⎕NEW Hashtable
      h.Add¨('Product' 'APL')('Vendor' 'Dyalog')
      h
System.Collections.Hashtable
      ⌷h
 System.Collections.DictionaryEntry  System.Collections.DictionaryEntry
      (⌷h).(Key Value)
  Vendor  Dyalog    Product  APL

Lembik

hi

Mayube

heyya lembik

Lembik

I am thinking of a challenge that finds and copies code from ppcg answers

as I find it annoying to do by hand ;)

any suggestions for how to ask this?

I suppose it's too hard to get the code to find code in a particular language?

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Martin Ender

11:37 AM

@Mithrandir what's your taste then? :)

Mithrandir

@MartinEnder usually epic instrumental or Jewish music

Martin Ender

surely, post rock isn't very far from epic instrumental? :P

how about this then? youtube.com/watch?v=JbnhjsDI_ho

Mithrandir

Sorry, earbuds aren't available ATM

In a few

Lembik

hi @MartinEnder

Martin Ender

hi

Lembik

11:41 AM

do you think it's plausible for code to only extract code from PPCG answers? That is to be able to tell what is code and what is not?

I really want to ask a challenge about this :)

dzaima

@Lembik I did that yesterday with all my SOGL answers

Martin Ender

not 100% reliably. but just taking the first code block should work in >99% of the cases

Lembik

@dzaima Oh! I am not sure what SOGL means though

dzaima

@Lembik it's my golfing language

Mr. Xcoder

@Lembik SOGL is a programming language

dzaima

11:42 AM

ninja'd

Lembik

@dzaima so you wrote code in SOGL to tell whether an input text was code or not?

dzaima

no

I extracted all of the codeblocks with its code

Lembik

@MartinEnder I think I may give it a go as a challenge. Although another challenge that just tries to work out what language something is in might be good too.

@dzaima why did you do that? Was that part of a challenge?

dzaima

no, just wanted to see what are some commonly used function combinations to add 1-byters for :p

Lembik

ok :)

my challenge would need a language that can extract ppcg answers from the web

so may exclude the very esoteric ones

dzaima

11:46 AM

I was thinking about a challenge to find the most used character from a language

Mr. Xcoder

@Lembik So Python, JS, 05AB1E, Ruby and Powershell should compete

Lembik

@Mr.Xcoder cool.

dzaima

Jelly had internet access AFAIK

Lembik

and obviously Java/C etc.

Mr. Xcoder

Also Bash and PHP

Lembik

11:47 AM

and perl!

no one mentions perl any more :)

Mr. Xcoder

Wait, isn't Perl dead ? :P

Lembik

well... more dead than 05AB1E?

Okx

What about Assembly :(

Lembik

@Okx that sounds tricky!

Mr. Xcoder

@Okx You golf a web answer in Assembly and I'll give you 200 rep if you get it below 200 bytes.

Okx

11:49 AM

sorry no way

200 bytes?

Mr. Xcoder

Yep.

Joke :P

Okx

i will give you a 500 rep bounty if you get below 200 bytes :P

dzaima

SOGLOnline SOGL technically has internet access

Lembik

hang on.. is this assembly just to get a url?

as in wget in assembly?

Mr. Xcoder

@Okx Ok, I will steal JonSkee's rep from SO and will give you 500k if you get it below 200 bytes

Okx

11:50 AM

i will hack SE and give you 10 mil if you get it below 200 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

Should start learning assembly :)

Lembik

hmm.. so how hard is it to fetch a url in assembly?

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Download from where? If assume you want to download from a WWW, it is pretty simple task: Using sys_socketcall (eax=102) create a socket, then connect to the desired URL, then send a HTTP command: http_request db "GET /file_url HTTP/1.1", 13, 10, 13, 10 Read the socket by lines until you re...

just call curl or wget from your assembly code :)

Mr. Xcoder

@Lembik So about 2k bytes :)... Sounds easy

Lembik

hmm.. it's an interesting question

maybe actually a nice code-golf question in the end

but is there an assembly hello world?

I mean such a challenge

Mr. Xcoder

Not really

Lembik

11:54 AM

Not really in reply to which part ? :)

Mithrandir

@MartinEnder that's long

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