Poll : How much internet do you use everyday (on an average) and how much does it cost you?

Too much, N/A

^

@ATaco Rough estimate like 1GB, 2GB?

@Phoenix ^

I have no idea

IDK about most days, but I used at least 100gb today

I reinstalled windows and had to get all my programs and stuff back

100GB? That's huge.

Rainbow Six Siege + UltraHD Texture Pack is 80gb by itself

I think I used about 15GB today, streaming, downloading games and stuff

I use huge amounts of data

Another ~40 gb goes to Visual Studio

I also have a 1TB datacap on my home connection

Doom was 20GB

I just play CSGO, FTL, Dig or Die and Minecraft :O

Because those run on Linux

So you guys would be paying big amounts of money.

@Arjun Not really no

@Phoenix I'm actually on Windows rn

@Arjun I'm not the one paying for my internet, but my parents pay a flat amount every month, not some amount for each gb used.

my friend told me that about a month ago, he bought the Valve complete pack for >$100

I just bought it for $5.66 today

Here in India, you get around 5 GB for $10. Is it cheaper there in US?

Is there a way to check how much data has been transmitted through your router?

(If I didn't completely screw up my ideas about everything)

say what

@Mendeleev what

@HyperNeutrino FUNNY LOL

@Mendeleev what

@Arjun You usually pay a flat monthly fee for unlimited or near-unlimited usage (Comcast has a 1TB cap in WA state afaik)

You pay for speed

@Mendeleev But how much? You must be having some idea.

I think it's around 100 dollarsish a month?

I might be way off

@Arjun ~70

Ok going to Comcast's website indicates 50 dollars per month for whatever their "default" package is

The fastest offer is 70

That's so cheap! They are looting us here in India.

wat

@Arjun India is rapidly developing afaik

@Mendeleev I got it for free because 16 years ago, at the launch of Flight Simulator 2001, everyone in my dad's development team got a copy of HalfLife to celebrate. 15 years later I finally opened the box, plugged the cd key into steam, and found it registered as the complete pack because apparantly it was a special edition half life.

@Phoenix Neat!

Yes, finding ancienet software keys is the best.

It's like being Indiana Jones.

Our basement has a bunch of them

Most of them only run on MSDOS though

@Phoenix Dosbox?

I just checked some US data plans. They seemed to indicate something else. google.co.in/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/…

Well, yeah, that exists, but playing Flight Unlimited at 144p isn't all that great of an experience.

@Arjun Yeah, because you found an article specifically about the cheapest possible plans

You can get as low as 20/month, but you'll be really limited and it will likely be slow.

@Mendeleev Yeah, true. Recently, Reliance released it's Jio plan, which gave around 4gb 4g data per day for its first three months for free. Then reduced it to 1gb per day for next 3 months (still free). Then made it 5$ for three months (1gb data per day 4g speed). And by the start of August, it will be $5 dollar per month (1gb data per month 4g speed). Fortunately, I have two Jio sims, so I get 2gb per day.

How do you live on 2gb a day

Easily.

What about downloading programs and such

Literally any game would put you over 2gb

@Phoenix Speed limiters

I don't play games much.

Sure, but downloading, like, anything is over 2gb

Any IDE is over 2gb

If you set it to 23 kb/s, you won't top out

Java, I think, is over 2gb

@Phoenix Nope. I downloaded both RubyMine and CLion today. Both were under 200MB.

@Phoenix ~150MB JRE, ~300MB JDK

Huh

@Mendeleev I must be thinking of Visual Studio

@Phoenix I program in JavaScript. Brackets - 50mb.

@Phoenix Visual Studio is 40GB

Which is obscenely large.

Why though?

Must be all that intellisense

Can't be

Jetbrains has better Intellisense

Right

What language do you use?

C#/F#/C++

Mostly C#, but I downloaded tools for the latter two.

@Phoenix I don't know about F#, but you would use Rider and CLion?

@Mendeleev That doesn't even include all the tools.

Notepad++ is just of 2.5mb. it's not ide though.

@Arjun Vim is about 20MB and with enough plugins, it is an IDE

@Mendeleev CLion yes, Rider not so much, Rider just flat out refuses to work with MonoGame for some reason.

@Phoenix Interesting

At least, the last time I checked, which was several months ago.

So you use VS?

Yep

@Phoenix They recently released their new 2017.1.3 version, you should update and try again

@Phoenix There are download managers though, which allow to pause downloads and download a program over a span of days.

I wonder...

Can you keep using Jetbrains products after the edu license ends?

Kinda

And can you renew the edu licenes?

It's called a "Perpetual License"

@Phoenix Define

If you don't have a license for a JetBrains product

You can use the last version you have had a license for for at least 12 months

So if you get a 12 month license, you get perpetual access to every version that was out the day you got the license.

ok, interesting

@Phoenix I'm talking about the free educational license

Applies to that too.

Oh

Perpetual License applies to everything

It's neat

Neat

Installing Rider now

I've always wanted to try C#

You can renew an education license if you still have your .edu email, or get a 50% discount for 1 year on a personal one.

@Mendeleev I actually would recommend Visual Studio if you're on Windows. It's really obvious Rider is an early access, a lot of features are missing and it borks occasionally.

Might be better now, I suppose.

@Phoenix I used other proof (non-edu email), would that still work?

@Mendeleev Prolly, not sure though.

I took a screenshot of my web gradebook

Also, Rider can't use the .NET Framework compiler, you have to chose between .NET Core v1.0 (1.1 not yet support), or Mono.

@Phoenix waht

nooo

I don't want to put 40GB of VS on my 80G disk with 17 GB left

Well, in that case, yeah Rider is the way to go >_>

Although the VS installer is highly modular

If you only tick .NET Console Development, and not all the other things, you can save a lot of space.,

yeah "want C++? Download this 20GB thing"

@Phoenix I would also want the Win APIs, right?

The full install comes with Python 2 and 3, Node.JS, git, some other things.

@Mendeleev I think those come with .NET Console Apps

@Phoenix Right

I can check quickly

Poll : Grindelwald or Voldemort?

@Phoenix How can you set Rider to use OTBS instead of Allman style?

@Mendeleev You don't

You can't set VS, either.

Ah nm found it

Wasn't there before >_>

Ahhhh!

There, that's better

switch(n) {
    case 1:
          statement
          break;
}

VS forces Allman on you, as a result, like all C# code is Allman.

I don't like it very much.

@Phoenix I really dislike Allman

Yeah

Our robotics team coach works at Microsoft, so all our Java code was allman too -____-

Of course, It could be worse

@ATaco JPython?

Whitesmiths is I think the worse that anyone actually uses

while (x == y)
    {
    something();
    somethingelse();
    }

Right Hand Brace

@Phoenix eww

I think there's also:

while (x == y)
{   something();
    somethingelse();
}

Yeah, Left Hand Brace.

If that exists, then yeah that's godawful.

And even:

while (x == y)  {
something()     ;
somethingelse() ;}

Well, left hand brace is almost that.

while (x == y)
{   something();
    somethingelse();  }

	while(x==y)
{		statement()
;		somethingelse()
;}

while(x==y){something();somethingelse();}

@HyperNeutrino Golfed style?

this is the only way to do it

@Mendeleev yes :P

How to set OTBS in VS:

@ATaco That's the ugliest.

while (x == y)
{something();
    somethingelse();
    }

You can disable it forcing indentation rules on you.

while
  (x == y)
    {
      ; something()
      ; somethingelse()
      ;
    }

But you can't tell it to specifically use OTBS