The Nineteenth Byte

wizzwizz4

5:00 PM

9 mins ago, by wizzwizz4

@BusinessCat The SE API is borken.

betseg

@MartinEnder obviously you mod better

programmer5000

@Dennis Could you move some of the comments here to chat? They take a lot of unnecessary space.

wizzwizz4

@MartinEnder shouldiblamecaching.com

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg I read that as "obviously you mod butter"

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos No, that's "bot butter".

New Main Posts

5:02 PM

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Q: 'A' to Ä converter

I'm currently scanning (I lack a better word, I'm scanning them and then convert them to .txt files) a bunch of handwritten documents. Since I have a terrible handwriting the .jpg->.txt converter converts some of my unlauts to the "normal" letter encased by ' Task Write a program or a function...

Mistah Figgins

@WheatWizard looking forward to competing with my preexisting Del|m|t!

@MistahFiggins gl

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@KritixiLithos Nice.

@MartinEnder Yeah, it works now. The featured posts had been working for me, but those are broken now.

Today's gonna be interesting.

wizzwizz4

5:10 PM

@Dennis Oh no! Challenge leaderboards won't work either! :-/

mbomb007

If anyone here is working on a solution for that "zero the BF cell" challenge, I made a handy interpreter on TIO you can use:

tio.run/nexus/python2#fZG9boMwFIVn/…

Code goes in the code section, input in the input section. I like it.

Leaky Nun

@mbomb007 nice

mbomb007

Unbounded tape, unbounded cells.

No wrapping

betseg

@mbomb007 what is it

mbomb007

BF interpreter that you can use for this challenge

DJMcMayhem

5:14 PM

Hmmm. You know how some users talk about using golfing languages as a general purpose scripting language?

Well is it sad if I'm now using brain-flak as an everyday calculator?

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New Main Posts

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Q: Unrestricted Languages

One of my favorite types of challenges on this site are restricted-source challenges. These challenges impose a computer tractable restriction that the sources of potential answers must pass. I like these challenges so much I have been working on a golfing language designed to win at these chal...

restricted-source language-design

Kritixi Lithos

I use Retina as a general purpose string replacement tool

Dennis

But Retina isn't a Turing tarpit. :P

Business Cat

@KritixiLithos Same, easiest way

Sometimes I use CJam for some simple batch calculations

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos Same. I've used it at work (and for work, too).

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Business Cat

5:19 PM

I've used it to generate SQL statements from raw dumps

Kritixi Lithos

The most recent use of it was to format the testcases in a challenge into a format that I could use for my submission (in a language that was not Retina)

Riker

@mbomb007 what's your job, broadly speaking (IT, infosec, etc)? I assume programming related?

@DJMcMayhem very, given that brainflak doesn't even have a builtin for multiplication

Kritixi Lithos

The team spirit userscript borked (the scoreboard at least)

Riker

lol

DJMcMayhem

@Riker haha :P

FWIW, I was using {([{}]{}<>)<>}<> to find the differences between consecutive ASCII values

wizzwizz4

5:26 PM

35 mins ago, by wizzwizz4

@BusinessCat The SE API is borken.

Riker

@DJMcMayhem oh, cool

tha'ts easier than math :P

Kritixi Lithos

I'd use Java in that case

Business Cat

I'm not sure why I use Java for anything

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Poke

@BusinessCat because it's the best language ever

Fitbit Evidence Used in Murder Investigation

DJMcMayhem

@Poke citation-needed

Dennis

5:31 PM

@ETHproductions Vectorizing operators cannot perform casts. If an operator has an ldepth of 1, the vectorizer makes sure it will be invoked only with flat arrays as left argument.

Poke

@DJMcMayhem TIOBE Index shows it's the most widely used. Although that doesn't strictly mean it's the best, I feel comfortable extrapolating.

mbomb007

@Riker developer

Riker

ah ok

mbomb007

was chat down for anyone else just now?

Riker

yes

mbomb007

5:35 PM

I couldn't get here for a few minutes

Riker

flag fest

mbomb007

Also, someone answer this in Minecraft

Riker

somebody flagged a bunch of stuff over in the russian SO chatroom (I think), chat went down/laggy for me at least

ETHproductions

@Dennis Ah, OK

Kritixi Lithos

@Riker I was able to star after having used up all my stars in another room

Riker

5:36 PM

o_O

lol though

that's ... a new bug

did the star stay?

Kritixi Lithos

But now I can't star again

Riker

lol

DJMcMayhem

@Poke Really? I would have expected JavaScript to be the most widely used

Kritixi Lithos

I think either someone unstarred my star, or the message became unstarred or something else completely weird

I remember seeing a yellow star

Riker

prolly it was canceled by the system

Poke

5:38 PM

@DJMcMayhem tiobe.com/tiobe-index

wizzwizz4

@Riker /the system/a trolling mod/

Riker

no prolly the system

2 mins ago, by Kritixi Lithos

@Riker I was able to star after having used up all my stars in another room

that's why I think it would be

Kritixi Lithos

in Contact, 13 mins ago, by Kritixi Lithos

I got a "You have fully used your vote allowance for today" several minutes ago, but recently I just starred a message

I noticed that when I tried to star something else, but got that vote allowance message and then noticed that I already starred something recently

Leaky Nun

@MartinEnder halp retina encoding is ruining everything

Martin Ender

if you let me know what the actual problem is I might be able to help...

Kritixi Lithos

5:42 PM

Wait, the message I starred was still starred until a few seconds ago, then someone removed it because the clue died (it's a game we're playing)

Leaky Nun

@MartinEnder see the last line

Martin Ender

this seems to be a problem with how TIO encodes the stream, not Retina's issue, but I'll look into it

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

quine codegolf How many times will you have to golf a quine? For this challenge, you must create a programme which takes an integer and outputs it's source many times. Rules This is codegolf, the programme containing the least amount of bytes wins. If you submit a function, the function m...

mbomb007

@Poke The top languages are declining in popularity. Which language do you think will take their place?

Kritixi Lithos

@DJMcMayhem How does Vim add the ¨ to the letters?

Poke

5:49 PM

@mbomb007 Go

and maybe python

Kritixi Lithos

I wonder if an esolang will ever make it up there

Wheat Wizard

Scratch is there

Poke

@KritixiLithos ActionScript is on the list

Wheat Wizard

so maybe

Poke

under Other programming languages

and it's basically an esolang

Adnan

5:52 PM

@KritixiLithos Isn't php an esolang

Kritixi Lithos

> Alice

@Poke Isn't it something that was used long ago in browsers but no longer now because it could harbour viruses or something?

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Oh, it's still used.

Poke

@KritixiLithos It is an OOP language that was used with Flash

Business Cat

ActionScript is Flash

Poke

welll

i wouldn't say it is flash

Kritixi Lithos

5:54 PM

@Adnan Oh yeah, definitely. PHP seems to be one of those languages that was created as a joke, like LOLCODE

Leaky Nun

oh hell, I hit the rep cap again (I got +215 today because of an accepted answer)

ais523

what language are you getting most of your rep from?

I've discovered that Jelly is surprisingly good for rep regardless of whether your answer is heavily golfed or not, and regardless of whether it's even beating other languages or not

my guess is that people find it impressive because they don't understand it

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Fatalize

^ that's true of many things in life

Leaky Nun

I would have gotten 88 rep from my question upvotes if I hadn't hit the cap

Kritixi Lithos

@LeakyNun I am not proud of the answers that got me my rep caps

Leaky Nun

5:59 PM

J: 10 rep
Jelly: 20 rep
Brachylog: 10 rep
Java: 20 rep
Python: 40 rep
Javascript: 50 rep

Kritixi Lithos

2 were from a 3-byte Vim answer, and 1 was because people voted a clearly badly written polyglot of mine

Martin Ender

@ais523 in absolute terms, probably Retina. in relative terms, it's probably Hexagony

Leaky Nun

it's less about the language, and more about the challenge

but again, 1 day is a small sample size

Kritixi Lithos

Languages that have something in common with the challenge generally accumulate a lot of upvotes (like giving a Hexagony answer to a challenge about hexagonal grids)

wizzwizz4

@LeakyNun 88...? Did you edit 4 times, or downvote twice, or downvote thrice, or other, or µ=└eJ♀, or EOF?

Leaky Nun

6:00 PM

@wizzwizz4 1 downvote

90/5 = 18 upvotes

to my questions

wizzwizz4

@LeakyNun I thought a downvote stole 1 rep.

Leaky Nun

@wizzwizz4 downvote to my question

wizzwizz4

@LeakyNun Oh. :-/ I feel stupid now.

Leaky Nun

@wizzwizz4 it's mea culpa

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos :h i_<C-k>

A builtin I guess

@ais523 V by a lot. It's probably 75-80% of my rep

And then maaaaybe 10-15% from Brain-flak

Poke

6:03 PM

This may come as a surprise to some of you but most of my rep is from Java.

Kritixi Lithos

I never get much rep from Java or Processing

Poke

Oh I don't usually get a lot

betseg

Mine is C

user165474

Most of my rep comes from Python, probably.

user165474

Because that's pretty much the only language I use.

user165474

6:17 PM

I've used bash once (got 200 rep in like 2 days :P) and I used to use Java

Adám

I get just about all my rep from APL, which is on the The Next 50 list.

Kritixi Lithos

I think most of my rep is from various esolangs

Leaky Nun

Why am I asking a question if I cannot gain any rep from it ;_;

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Q: Parity of sum of other elements

Task Given an array of positive integers, replace each element with the parity of the sum of the other elements. The array is guaranteed to have at least 2 elements. Definition Parity: whether a number is odd or even. Example For the array [1,2,3,1]: Replace 1 with the parity of 2+3+1, i...

code-golf array-manipulation

Mistah Figgins

6:35 PM

@KritixiLithos most of my answers are in befunge, but a big portion of my rep is from a hexagony answer in an answer-chaining challenge

BTW, is there a way to distinguish between a command line argument of "" and no command line argument?

And if so, can you do it in the context of TIO?

ETHproductions

@MistahFiggins TIO passes the arguments exactly as-is. (I asked Dennis this question about Japt)

Poke

@MistahFiggins Try it online!?

Riley

6:50 PM

@Adnan How hard would it be to make 05AB1E cycle through input when trying to pop an empty stack? E.g.
Input: 1 2
Program: ++++
Result: (((1 + 2) + 1) + 2) + 1

Mistah Figgins

@Poke cool, thanks!

ETHproductions

@Poke What? Try it online!? ;P

Adnan

@Riley you mean when the input is empty?

that's actually a great idea

Riley

Another example: this could be O^È instead of DO^È.

Also, is there a pop and discard?

Adnan

that would be \

bruh

Riley

7:08 PM

@Adnan Thanks. I couldn't find it because I was only looking for commands that said pop a...

betseg

@Poke ?

Poke

7:23 PM

@betseg Passed an empty string to the program

Mistah Figgins

Wait, can you then just make a language that is Lenguage but with empty command line arguments instead of characters?

betseg

i mean, why not use std::endl instead of \n :P

Poke

@betseg I golfed it :P

Riker

7:53 PM

@DJMcMayhem V is only 4th place. pls fix

DJMcMayhem

Oi

I don't know if I can

And I'm already way too distracted by PPCG in general lol

Emigna

8:16 PM

@Riley Like this :)

Bernardo Meurer

8:49 PM

Heya

Anyone knows Rust around here?

Stephen S

This seems too small for Sandbox, but would a challenge to print int max (2,147,483,647 , 2^31 - 1) be too simple?

Adám

@StephenS Huh?

ETHproductions

@StephenS We already have one for printing 2^63 - 1, so it'd probably be closed as a duplicate.

Stephen S

@ETHproductions ok, thanks :)

ETHproductions

My bad, it was 2^64 - 1:

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Q: Hack into a Lottery

You've recently made an account on a dodgy gambling site, where for a fee of 25 dollars, they will pay you back a random amount between 0 and 50 dollars. After getting around 5 dollars twice, you decide to prove the site is a scam. After accessing their external firewall with the default password...

code-golf number kolmogorov-complexity restricted-source

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8:57 PM

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Q: Do-nothing Polyglot

This challenge requires you to write a polyglot which contains a comment in as many languages as possible. The comment must say This is a polyglot comment. The program must do nothing at all. Besides comments, your code may contain no-ops from the language(s) you are using, if it helps incorpo...

code-challenge polyglot

Stephen S

@ETHproductions kinda hard to find that searching, but you're definitely right that it's a dupe

ETHproductions

Yes, a lot of times I know I've seen a certain challenge before, but it takes me a very long time to find them...

quartata

9:11 PM

@ConorO'Brien Left it running for three hours and came back to it, it was at ~3900 and the numbers were getting really small

There were several numbers that were close in the 600 range but overall I don't think there is such a number

Sorry

Riker

@NewMainPosts this is arguably the dumbest challenge I've seen

almost counting the avocado post

ETHproductions

@Riker The sandboxed version was on the right track, but this version is just completely and utterly stupid

Riker

yes

ETHproductions

Makes me want to re-sandbox it and work out the kinks

Riker

is it possible to close this as too broad?

DJMcMayhem

9:19 PM

@ETHproductions I don't understand why the sandbox version is better

trichoplax

It's deleted now

ETHproductions

@DJMcMayhem It's not that it's better, it's that the OP knew it still had a ways to go (source) before being a good challenge. Christopher basically took it and posted it nearly verbatim

trichoplax

The 7 downvoters seem to have gotten the message across. It's gone now.

ETHproductions

If I were writing that challenge, I'd disallow using the same comment syntax in multiple languages

There would need to be a lot of line-drawing, though, before it's perfectly clear what "the same comment syntax" means

Wheat Wizard

I don't think that the challenge can really be made interesting

trichoplax

9:23 PM

There doesn't seem to be any rule about how they can be combined, so it's just "list as many languages with different comment styles as you can"

ETHproductions

Right, in order to have any shot at being an interesting challenge, that would have to be changed

trichoplax

I'm suspicious of any challenge that starts with "do nothing"

DJMcMayhem

It's almost as dumb as my own dumb polyglot (deleted)

ETHproductions

I think I've set a new personal record for most downvotes cast in one day: Two :P

trichoplax

@DJMcMayhem According to the downvoters, the new one is 3.5 times worse...

Conor O'Brien

9:27 PM

@quartata hmmm, darn

I wonder if maybe there's a power of 2 or 3 that matches...

quartata

Possible

I'm rerunning it to get the closest one in that 600-750 range

trichoplax

Just so you know, I'm intrigued about what you are searching for

Conor O'Brien

a number that represents the number of OEIS sequences that contain it

trichoplax

So an N such that N appears in exactly N OEIS sequences?

Are you just counting the listed section of each sequence?

quartata

yes and for the purposes of sanity yes

Jan Dvorak

9:31 PM

@ConorO'Brien that sounds like a number sequence itself :-)

ETHproductions

Fun fact: I've only cast 5 downvotes on posts that are not currently deleted

Is there any way to see what deleted posts you've downvoted?

quartata

I'm assuming the search only checks the listed section

That's what I'm using

trichoplax

I can see deleted posts on main but in the downvotes section I'm only seeing open and closed posts, no deleted ones

Martin Ender

@Dennis Ah, completely missed this. Congratulations! Now do badges... :)

DJMcMayhem

I've cast 68 downvotes on non-deleted posts

Conor O'Brien

9:35 PM

@ais523 In all fairness, I do respect Jelly for that. Not understanding isn't necessarily a problem, and liking an answer because you can't understand it is quite understandable and not a bad thing, a la Longinus XXXV (last sentence. NB. that translation is kind of poor IMO, if you want to read a good translation, look for the one by G.M.A. Grube)

quartata

@ConorO'Brien I think the closest is 655 which has 648 results (distance of 7)

but it's still running

trichoplax

@quartata Just need 7 more sequences to be submitted...

Dennis

@MartinEnder Thanks! Your badge throne is more than safe though. :P

Conor O'Brien

100, 211, 322, 433, 544, 655, 766, 877, 988, 1099, 111010, 121111, ...

quartata

Oh I was wrong

717 has 719 results

2 off

Conor O'Brien

9:39 PM

and irreversible :/

quartata

Damn.

ETHproductions

@ConorO'Brien It took me about 5 minutes to understand what you meant... I must be getting tired :P

Conor O'Brien

oh haha. maybe you're not crazy like the rest of us :P

ETHproductions

How are you checking these numbers though? Is there an easily accessable database of OEIS sequences or are you just scraping the pages?

trichoplax

> OEIS is down while some PPCG people compulsively check for arbitrary patterns

10

Conor O'Brien

9:47 PM

@ETHproductions I think OEIS has JSON, but quartata has the script

ETHproductions

ah, JSON

Riker

@trichoplax codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/sequence/topusers

quartata

nnnnh Reddit is down

@ETHproductions scraping

trichoplax

@Riker Wow. I should upgrade that from "some"...

Riker

:p

@quartata web-beta.archive.org/web/20170502210511/https://www.reddit.com

quartata

9:52 PM

not good enough

@trichoplax You don't need to worry about that, they have some of the most ridiculous rate-limiting I've ever seen

It got better but

trichoplax

I guess they weren't counting on becoming a high traffic site

quartata

Unrelated but:

std::chrono declarations make me angry. Just standardizing a nanoTime() call would have been nice.

Tweeted by ID_AA_Carmack on April 19, 2017 at 4:57 PM

I'm not the only one who hates chrono

inb4 argumentum ad verecundiam

Geobits

10:18 PM

@quartata You need to distribute it into batches among the chatters. Everyone grab a chunk of a hundred or two at a time :P

Conor O'Brien

like the prime search I see

Adnan

11:30 PM

@Riley Added

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Q: Golf Me A Golfing Language (for great good)

Golf me a golf-lang In any programing language of your choice write me an interpreter (or compiler targetting a reasonable pre-existing binary) for a golfing language. You will be scored based on a combination of the length of the interpreter and the golfiness of programs in your (user created l...

code-challenge language-design

Riley

11:48 PM

@Adnan that was fast.

ATaco

Alright, I'm going to write a Brainfuck Webserver.

Or atleast, try to.

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