The Nineteenth Byte

Григорий Перельман

4:00 PM

@Downgoat I do

ETHproductions

@Downgoat meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com already redirects to the new URL, but IDK if it messes with the userscript

Mendeleev

@Downgoat I use it

ETHproductions

My browser doesn't have it turned on atm for some unknown reason glares at TamperMonkey

Downgoat

'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.

Mendeleev

anyone else getting ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS with HTTPS Everywhere at codegolf.meta.SE?

ETHproductions

4:02 PM

Hmm, TamperMonkey is borked in the latest Developer Edition of Firefox. Guess I'll just turn the userscript on in GreaseMonkey

...and there you have it, the userscript officially does not turn on at PPCG.meta.SE

Dennis

@Mendeleev Not me as I don't use HTTPS Everywhere (Break Everything would be a better name), but I've heard about other users having the same problem.

Mendeleev

@Dennis I actually haven't had much breakage. SE chat works fine, only problem is that some avatars don't load.

wait, since when does C++ have lambdas?

Dennis

That would already be a deal breaker for me.

ETHproductions

@Downgoat PPCG userscript should be fixed now

Oops... I enabled the main theme on meta

Dennis

I guess I can make talk.tryitonline.net redirect to HTTPS now.

Downgoat

4:07 PM

@Dennis btw, I believe you are part of the PPCG organization on GitHub, is it possible to move the PPCG-design userscript there?

Григорий Перельман

There's a PPCG organization?

Link pls?

Dennis

There's a link in this room's description. >_>

Григорий Перельман

Ooh

Dennis

@Downgoat I'll have to ask the others.

Григорий Перельман

I nver noticed chatiquette was a github link.

Oh right, I can't use GitHub right now because the connection I'm on mangles security certificates.

Dennis

4:11 PM

Can't you just visit the HTTP version?

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf that for me, please. As a lot of people can guess, I like using a particular language or two, or three, and I'm not into "golfing languages" (yet?), so it could happen that I do my best, find a clever solution to the particular problem in Ruby, or in C, then cut my variable names, wrap some...

ETHproductions

OK, really fixed the userscript, for real this time.

Григорий Перельман

Nope :|

Same security error

Oh, brilliant, I can't update my userscripts because they're hosted on GitHub

Jan Dvorak

?

Григорий Перельман

GitHub gives security errors

Mendeleev

4:18 PM

@ГригорийПерельман ssh?

Григорий Перельман

I don't really understand SSH. I just now it's the thing you can use to remotly control a computer?

Jan Dvorak

ssh = secure shell

DJMcMayhem

@Mendeleev since 11

Григорий Перельман

Eventually, after years of updates, C++ will reach it's natural resting place and become C#.

DJMcMayhem

I hope not. I'm not really a huge fan of C++, but there's a reason it isn't anything like C#

ETHproductions

4:24 PM

TIL about user-defined literals. The endless fountain of features that is C++ never ceases to amaze me

Григорий Перельман

C++ is a lot like C#. Isn't that why they called it C#?

DJMcMayhem

That's really cool actually

@ГригорийПерельман They're nothing like each other at all

Григорий Перельман

Well, it's closer to C# than anything else

DJMcMayhem

Other than C-style syntax

Jan Dvorak

One day they'll even have a garbage col... wait, they do???

Григорий Перельман

4:25 PM

(C doesn't count)

Matthew Roh

@ETHproductions Oh yes thats a thing

(btw noone uses it when the matter is not readability)

@ГригорийПерельман Two reasons why its named C#. 1. #(sharp) is half-up in music, while C is a note

Mendeleev

@ГригорийПерельман You can clone git repos through ssh

Downgoat

@ГригорийПерельман Try GitGoat :P /s

Matthew Roh

@ГригорийПерельман Reason 2: C# looks like ˋC++++ˋ

DJMcMayhem

@ГригорийПерельман No, not really. C# is very high level, extremely object oriented and garbage collected. C++ is much lower level, somewhat object oriented, and manual memory allocation. Plus a bunch of garbage with templates and STL

Григорий Перельман

4:29 PM

@Mendeleev Right, and I've tried that, but it is similarly borked.

Matthew Roh

because # has 4 + inside

Jan Dvorak

C# is just a compressed version of C++

Григорий Перельман

@DJMcMayhem But is there anything closer to C++?

Matthew Roh

@ГригорийПерельман If I'd choose one, I'd choose D.

DJMcMayhem

^

Matthew Roh

4:31 PM

Yes, that language which noone uses

DJMcMayhem

I'm not really sure beyond that. There isn't a huge demand for high level languages that are hard to learn and have a bunch of low level memory issues

Jan Dvorak

@DJMcMayhem then explain PHP

DJMcMayhem

Maybe Go and/or rust, but I've never used either so that's mostly a guess

Matthew Roh

Well, any language closer to C++ than D?

(Maybe lua with extern C++ XD)

Btw, is C closer to C++ than D?

DJMcMayhem

Probably not, but I haven't used D so I couldn't say for sure

Jan Dvorak

4:34 PM

Nobody has

DJMcMayhem

From what I know, D tries to be largely compatible with both

Dennis

@Downgoat Too expensive.

Downgoat

App is free?

Jan Dvorak

Don't forget the cost of an Apple product

Dennis

That.

Downgoat

4:40 PM

@JanDvorak you can probably find iPhone 3S for like only $500

Erik the Outgolfer

> only

Jan Dvorak

That is a pretty awful price for an emergency phone with a github client

Dennis

I don't think @Downgoat meant $500. That phone is ancient. Also, terrible.

Mendeleev

@Downgoat iphone 4S for like $100

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, $500 for the next gen would still be a ripoff

Mendeleev

4:43 PM

@DJMcMayhem just get op3t

also, since when can you do this in C++?

#include <iostream>
#include <vector>
using namespace std;
int main() {
	vector<int> v = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
	for(auto i : v) {
		cout << i << endl;
	}
	return 0;
}

DJMcMayhem

A while I think. Maybe 11, maybe earlier

I use that all the time, it's very nice

Jan Dvorak

(1..5).map{|x|puts x}

ETHproductions

@Mendeleev which feature, specifically?

DJMcMayhem

for (auto I: v) I'm guessing

Mendeleev

Meta is completely broken for me.

@ETHproductions auto i : v

ETHproductions

4:45 PM

Huh, interesting

DJMcMayhem

@Mendeleev just kidding, I looked it up. It's definitely an 11 feature

Mendeleev

@JanDvorak puts *1..5

DJMcMayhem

Technically auto is also

Jan Dvorak

That would use commas, not newlines.

Mendeleev

@JanDvorak no

irb(main):001:0> puts *1..5
1
2
3
4
5
=> nil

Jan Dvorak

4:47 PM

Oh, right, sorry

Downgoat

@Mendeleev C++ has had enhanced for loop for a long time

Jan Dvorak

I was thinking puts [*1..5]

Mendeleev

irb(main):002:0> puts  [*1..5]
1
2
3
4
5
=> nil

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat if 6 years is a long time

3 mins ago, by DJMcMayhem

@Mendeleev just kidding, I looked it up. It's definitely an 11 feature

Downgoat

So essentially it's been there twice as long as I have been programming

DJMcMayhem

4:51 PM

Sure, but the language has been around for over twice as long as you've existed

Mendeleev

2 mins ago, by Mendeleev

irb(main):002:0> puts  [*1..5]
1
2
3
4
5
=> nil

Jan Dvorak

@Mendeleev huh... TIL

DJMcMayhem

At least I think. I don't know exactly how old you are

Mendeleev

AFAIK arrays get puts'd as separate lines

fəˈnɛtɪk

@Mendeleev and that's because Ruby treats them as an enumerable right? So it is effectively puts 1 puts 2 ... puts 5.

Mendeleev

4:54 PM

@fəˈnɛtɪk AFAIK yes. The Ruby Enumerable mixin is very powerful.

Testing:

(•◡•)/

@ATaco Your userscript works

Mistah Figgins

@ATaco what happens if a number has an argument in TacO?

like this: @p14

Would it print 1 and then 4?

or just 1?

Downgoat

node.js & certified modules

Mistah Figgins

And sorry for being so damn pedantic, @ATaco, but it is Aperture, not Apeture

Also, what does @pp1 do? what arguments does p return, if any?

Jan Dvorak

The Wikipedia disambiguation page for Aperture doesn't link to Portal. Boo hiss.

Mistah Figgins

...Maybe I should try these online.

Mendeleev

5:05 PM

Idea: programming language where all numbers start with two, then you use operators mdas to modify it

Downgoat

Good News: Looks like GitGoat isn't crashing that much. Bad News: GitGoat is crashing a lot so something somewhere is very wrong

Mistah Figgins

Nevermind, all my questions were answered

Mendeleev

like the number 42 would be 2mmmm-2mm-2maa

ETHproductions

@Mendeleev I actually had an idea like that a while ago, called 7, where all you could do to manipulate data was add, subtract, multiply, or divide by 7

Wheat Wizard

Hey I was going to post a question from the sandbox. Could I get some last minute advice?

Mendeleev

5:06 PM

@ETHproductions Ehh

Wheat Wizard

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Escape You find yourself on a chessboard, as one does. You can see the exit but it is awfully far away and you would rather not walk all the way. Luckily some locals have offered you a ride. A knight, a rook, a bishop and a king are all willing to take you to your destination, but seeing how t...

Mendeleev

2 is more better-er

ETHproductions

I planned more and more features until it was practically a golfing language that could only use numbers :P

I never implemented it though

Downgoat

@WheatWizard in the second test case, is there a reason the two parts of the board are split?

Wheat Wizard

@Downgoat It is to show that knights can jump over gaps

ETHproductions

5:08 PM

@Mendeleev Interesting, but I'm not quite sure how it works

2mmmm = 32?

Mendeleev

no

2*2*2*2*2

Downgoat

@WheatWizard oh I see

Mendeleev

m = *2

Wheat Wizard

Should I make that clearer in the question body?

ETHproductions

exactly, that's what I thought

Mendeleev

5:09 PM

m = *2, d = /2, a = +1, s = -1

Basically the SIOC but starting with 2

ETHproductions

Oh, that makes more sense

Downgoat

@WheatWizard yeah, that would be helpful, additionally I think perhaps a test case describing one of these:

> If multiple pieces can make it to the destination in the same number of moves you must output all of the pieces that can get there in the minimum amount of time. If none of the four pieces can make it to the end you may output anything as long as it is distinct from all other possible outputs

fəˈnɛtɪk

@ETHproductions Isn't there already this

Downgoat

otherwise it looks great

Wheat Wizard

@Downgoat Ok will do thanks

ETHproductions

5:10 PM

> created toward the end of 2016

I thought of my version of 7 mid-2015

But yes, now there would be a name conflict if I tried to implement it

Anonymous

You could name it 7even and confuse people with the movie

Downgoat

btw @ETHproductions I was thinking about this yesterday, but will Crayon be based on drawing at a specific coordinate/location on the canvas, or more like Charcoal?

ETHproductions

Not sure what Charcoal's like, but your first description seems pretty accurate

Mendeleev

@Mego seveneven?

Jan Dvorak

Charcoal member here. We don't draw anywhere. We pick up trash using heavy weaponry.

Anonymous

5:13 PM

@JanDvorak Wrong Charcoal

Anonymous

Charcoal is also a language for doing ASCII art

Jan Dvorak