@Neil crap I need to add that back in (although maybe for list - list)

How easy is JavaScript to learn? Discord bots are written in JavaScript, so I obviously must learn JavaScript...

If you know any other language, it's easy to start. But it's difficult to master.

mastery is not required to make a bot, i assume

Mastery is not required to make another language in it.

@SocraticPhoenix Discord bots are written in whatever.

I wrote mine in C#

Javascript is regarded by particular CS professors as one of those languages everyone should learn, regardless of if it's good.

@ATaco I'd expect CS professors to lean more towards C/++ as a necessary language.

They are obviously also on that list of languages someone should learn, but JS is definitely on that list too.

@Pavel Java?

javajavajavajava

@SocraticPhoenix Sure, but C# is better in every way, and if you know Java you already know C#.

HAAAAAAAA github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA

@Pavel Fite me Java is best (but I don't know C# so I have no right to an opinion...)

Ah

There's a Lua Module for the Discord Bot API. Shame it's for LuaJIT, but it's there.

@Mego ooh I sorta know Python...

Python is another language everyone should learn.

@SocraticPhoenix Basically, C# started as a Java clone, but then they kept adding features to make it awesome and the Java people didn't do that so much.

I know I'm going to learn C/C++ in college because I wanna do compilers and stuff

A discord bot would require a lot of networking-related calls, and C# is the only language with sane async syntax.

@Pavel u say that but have u used every language? (though java is just plain strange when it comes to threading synchronized and atomic and volatile and all that stuff I don't get).

C# is a pretty great language.

I know 9 programming languages, Python, Java, and the 7 I made myself xD

//C# Async
async Task<int> foo() { return 5; }
var bar = foo();
Console.WriteLine(await bar);

Oh right, var allows you to omit the type of a variable if the compiler can determin it.

Threading in general is so much simpler.

What is the difference between Groovy and Java?

@MDXF Slightly different syntax, more expanisve stdlib, some additional features.

@Pavel Syntax differences?

I recommend Kotlin over Groovy, it aims to do the same thing, but does it better.

@MDXF Slightly. int[] array = [1,2,3]

also kotlin can target jvm, javascript, or native, and has official android support

@Pavel Ah I see

@SocraticPhoenix Yeah Kotlin also has awesome operator overloading

@MDXF I really should learn kotlin

@SocraticPhoenix Or abandon the JVM entirely and use C#.

@SocraticPhoenix If you know Java that won't be hard

@MDXF I know some much Java that I understand how terrible it is, but still love it.... basically the point of no return

@Pavel But I know JVM Bytecode... I dunno assembly... and if I want (to make) a compiled language...

@SocraticPhoenix You don't need assembly to use C#

meh

You don't need to know JVM Bytecode to use java either, for that matter.

@SocraticPhoenix Yeah that's me with C, it takes forever to program things that would be simple in other languages, yet I love it's low-level-ness and ... everything else

I'll probably be forced to learn it eventually

Except memory management >.<

^ why i don't want to learn C/C++

It's not that bad once you get used to it. But finding memory leaks is insanely difficult sometimes, even with valgrind.

But I have never done memory management...

(.NET bytecode is called MSIL)

@SocraticPhoenix It's less confusing than you think.

@ATaco I assume so... I went into designing a practical programming language with a similar mindset (how does anything work), and came out with a functioning thingy... Thing is, I have to be forced to switch languages because otherwise I just do it the way I know how...

@SocraticPhoenix The key to memory management is: not malloc(size), but malloc(size * sizeof(variable type goes here)).

Only reason I learned python is because I had an internship in python...

despite saying that I wanted to learn python for at least 2 years before that...

@MDXF Or just calloc(size, sizeof(variable type goes here))

._. how did I never know that

I've even written my own implementation of calloc and I didn't know that

@MDXF You've been trolled by memory allocation! How does it feel?

>_>

It's basically just #define calloc(a,b) malloc((a)*(b))

TIL that The Common Language Runtime (C#'s VM) supports global functions and tail call optimization, though no CLR language actually uses these features.

MSIL is designed to be human writeable/readable, so it's possible write a function that uses tail-call optimization in it and then call it from C#.

@MDXF not if you do it properly

Define "properly"

@Pavel :| such a waste

@MDXF remembering to put in all your frees

@ASCII-only why? This means C# could easily support these features in the future.

@ASCII-only No, memory leaks as in printf("%p",pointer); causing a segmentation fault.

Or just using C++ and having no memory management

@Pavel A waste because no one uses them...

@MDXF also not doing things like that

Wait, is groovy interpreted?!?

@ASCII-only >.<

@MDXF it's JVM...

^

@SocraticPhoenix BRB writing .net language to use them.

Yeah but it doesn't have (or maybe it doesn't need) a main

@Pavel lol, really?

no

@MDXF who needs main tho

it's a TNB joke

@SocraticPhoenix compiled languages :P

@Pavel just make a Roslyn extension...

I wanna make a compiled language -_-

@MDXF the stuff not in a method is packed into a main by the compiler.

My favourite all time bug, "Why is this pointer NULL?", followed by "Why is this pointer 0xBAADF00D"

@Pavel Ah I see

@ASCII-only sure

Bitwise does that

except it's interpreted ._.

@MDXF luckily VSL is an exception

@ASCII-only well, as I said before, some sort of filtering would be nice

Odd

@Neil oh yeah forgot about that >_> sorry

so that I can write Filter([1, 2, 3], Minus(i, 1)) for a similar result

@SocraticPhoenix yes, actually. I've been working on it for a few weeks, it's called Safire due to the ruby-like syntax

The only problem I have with python is how u run a script... if __name__() == "__main__" or whatever it is is evil

@Pavel kewl

(obviously in reality the list and function wouldn't be hardcoded like that)

@SocraticPhoenix It's also dynamically typed. I am going through extreme amounts of pain in order to make var foo = Console.WriteLine work, since methods and Delegates (lambdas) can't be assigned to variables of type dynamic without a ton of magic.

And it's the worst kind of magic, reflection magic. stackoverflow.com/a/46782035/3553138

At least the CLR supports a dynamic type, JVM doesn't iirc.