The Nineteenth Byte

mınxomaτ

3:02 PM

Probably going to get a Steinberg interface. As for a mixer ... Yamaha I guess. Well you get what you pay for.

Gabriel Benamy

sigh

my job is a mess

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata can a unicorn horn heal you or just cure status effects?

damn, nvm. apparently it can't, and I'm dead.

El'endia Starman

@GabrielBenamy Yours and Poke's, it seems. :P

Gabriel Benamy

I'm a "developer" but I'm pretty much just supposed to work on what I'm told to work on, and I also have to deal with all of the customer implementations and setup calls, as well as all of the trainings, help desks, and data migrations, so I don't have time for any real development work on things that would make the system easier to use, both as a programmer and as an end-user

Anonymous

So you need IT grunts

Poke

3:25 PM

@El'endiaStarman It got downgraded in like 30 seconds, luckily... but that still means everyone got emailed about it first, haha

Gabriel Benamy

For this challenge‌, since TrumpScript isn't allowed to run on windows, could I just submit a trumpscript answer that always prints false

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

probably

Downgoat

No because it has to print true on windows. If it doesn't do that, it doesn't fulfill that part

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh, true

Gabriel Benamy

I guess that makes sense

TuxCopter

3:31 PM

> Code that fails to run/compile on a platform doesn't count as a falsey value.

El'endia Starman

@TuxCopter That was probably intended for languages that only work on Windows.

Downgoat

Non-falsely =/= truthy

Fatalize

3:49 PM

Is the term of "free family" well-understood in the anglophone world or is "linearly independent set of vectors" better?

Nathan Merrill

can I say neither?

Fatalize

*Assuming you know linear algebra :p

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> anglophone

that's probably the best term for english speakers I've heard

Downgoat

BRB painting all my phones red white and blue so I can call them anglophones

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Nathan Merrill

you aren't all that far off from roots, I imagine

does "fon" mean speak in latin?

flawr

4:00 PM

@ConorO'Brien a little bit, why?=)

Nathan Merrill

just looked it up, its "sound"

and its phon

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr just out of curiousity, do you work at a college/university/other school teaching?

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize Assuming those phrases are synonymous (in linear algebra), I've never heard the former.

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ o_O someone blew my cover, yes

=)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

just asking because you seem pretty good at explaining stuff, better than other teachers I've seen

flawr

4:05 PM

Oh, I'm very pleased to hear that=)

Well actually I don't have much experience, as I have yet to finish my degree, it's just a part time job=)

And I did some private tutoring for a few years before. But it is really something I like doing=)

(most of the time=)

I should stop ending every line with =)

Damnit, I did it again...

TuxCopter

That's a good idea =)

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flawr

Let's do it this way from now on (=

Nathan Merrill

I don't understand why (= is any better than (:

I mean, my eyes aren't lines that go up and down

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr ah, okay

redstarcoder

^^^ Opinion

Nathan Merrill

4:08 PM

if anything, they go left and right

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TuxCopter yes this is good idea

put a space

TuxCopter

let's use ¦) from now

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

.... why

redstarcoder

Left+right

It actually looks like the =) is blinking

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr for math, I assume?

Downgoat

4:09 PM

@flawr This one you ended with just = because that paren is close paren not smiley mouth :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

any particular branch of math?

The IAU ban came after the 'redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom' incident.

Downgoat

> Asia Dolphin-Training Convention

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yaeh

and I'm quite impressed about every american furry convention

Downgoat

:O I just saw best solution:

> Hello I am a goat [which are 100x better than sheep :)]

Fatalize

@El'endiaStarman Hmm ok. I found a MO question that used the term (it's a direct translation from what we use in French), so I assumed it might exist, though I was definitely under the impression that if it did it wasn't common.

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What do you normally use instead of anglophones?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:12 PM

english-speakers/english-speaking countries

english-speak(ers*{1}|ing) <optional added direct object>

Fatalize

anglophones is 5 bytes shorter than english-speakers

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

true

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yes mostly, sometimes also a little bit of physics, but only on lower levels, as I don't knot too much about it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah, okay

flawr

@Downgoat it is a complete set of parenthesis with a smiley, just golfed a little bit (-:

redstarcoder

4:14 PM

@flawr any quantum physics?

flawr

@redstarcoder Is that what you cal "lower level"?

redstarcoder

See I wasn't sure :')

I haven't gone to school really, not post-secondary anyways :p

flawr

No usually just a little bit of basic mechanics/thermodynomics/electronics.

So no quantuum-anything.

redstarcoder

Ooh that's like highschool

Well I'm sure you know a lot more depth than that

I just mean the general coverage :p

flawr

@redstarcoder Yes sure, that is about it=)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:17 PM

> Slow worm A, traveling 3 metres per hour (mph), leaves Westford heading toward Eastford, 260 miles away. At the same time Slow worm B, traveling 1 mph, leaves Eastford heading toward Westford. When do the two worms meet? How far from each city do they meet?

flawr

@redstarcoder Perhpas a little bit, but I'm not really comfortable teaching anything where I don't have big enough background.

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ metres per hour is mph? what

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ This heavily depends on the topology of the space they move in.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ye

@KritixiLithos m-p-h? M etres P er H our

redstarcoder

@flawr I'm hopefully going to be studying electronics today (with this) and I'm really excited, I'll ping you if I get stuck :D

flawr

4:19 PM

I mean what else could mph possibly mean...

Kritixi Lithos

And then you say the distance is 260 miles and not metres

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

they just have a really long way to travel

poor worms, americas is a bit big for them

Anonymous

@flawr Moose per herd

flawr

@redstarcoder OOOOOh arduinos are so cool! I do have one too, but I keep killing all of the components... (I've been too lazy to turn the power off and on again.)

Kritixi Lithos

What is the average mph in <insert country where there are mooses>?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:21 PM

alaska is a country

it's bigger than many

we officially renounce it as a state

@KritixiLithos default speed limit is 55 miles per hour in alaska

@Pavel .... how does that relate at all

Downgoat

@Pavel problem is once state is state you can't unannex without doing a civil war

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I don't like trump either, but there's a line between insulting a state just because many people there like trump and not liking trump privately

redstarcoder

@flawr hehe I'll try to not do that then, which one do you have?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat CIVIL WAR DECLARED

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 55 miles per hour moose per herd?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:22 PM

yeah

Anonymous

@Pavel How many times do we have to say "please limit political discussion in here" for you to get the message?

El'endia Starman

@Pavel I'm fairly sure this runs afoul of SE's Be Nice policy.

flawr

@redstarcoder uno and nano. The uno is great for developing/playing around, the nano requires soldering but it is smaller and cheaper.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos each moose moves 55 miles per hour when in a herd

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ also in California/Washington too

Kritixi Lithos

4:24 PM

@El'endiaStarman You repeated your message...

Anonymous

If you don't have anything nice to say, go clean something

ArtOfCode

342

Q: If you're gonna talk Politics, you must respect those who disagree

This is sort of a follow-up to two past discussions: Toward a philosophy of Chat Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to "be nice" to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)? Over the past year, there's been an uptick in discussions of politics in chat. JUST LOOK AT THIS CHART! ...

Anonymous

That's how the saying goes, right?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ArtOfCode was that addressed at us or him

El'endia Starman

@KritixiLithos WiFi is acting up here.

ArtOfCode

4:24 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ At the now-suspended author of the now-deleted message

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman mine too, it might be another chat thing

or just my sucky wifi

@ArtOfCode thanks for clarifying

redstarcoder

@flawr nice! I was going to get an Uno but I saw this clone of the Mega 2560 for cheaper and got it. Soldering is definitely something I need to practice more so maybe the nano is a good idea too.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I soldered a breadboard to my hand once!

i still have a scar

flawr

@Mego I think many people think it is "If you have anything to clean, go say something not nice.".

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos what's your average herd size for moose?

redstarcoder

4:26 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ that sounds painful! How?

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Others at work are also experiencing Internet slowness.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hm, okay

flawr

@redstarcoder Well I recommend using the nanos for projects where you're not going to remove it anymore and you don't have to fiddle around anymore, it is not really made for reusing. For prototyping just stick to the uno or similar ones where you can just plug some wires in!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@redstarcoder by dripping solder onto my hand where it contacted the breadboard

flawr

But soldering is really fun once you get the hang of it!

redstarcoder

4:27 PM

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I'm glad I can save money when I want to build lots of little things that I keep

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't think there are moose in Denmark

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos THIS JUST IN: According to wikipedia, moose do not form herds

redstarcoder

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ah I'll try to not do that

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> Unlike most other deer species, moose are solitary animals and do not form herds.

so in alaska there is an average of 1 mph

Kritixi Lithos

I think that is also the worldwide average

flawr

4:28 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ if they don't form herds, wouldn't it be 0 mph ?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hmmm

but you can also think it's 1 moose in it's on herd

redstarcoder

Yeah I've never seen multiple moose at once. I guess you could say one is a herd

If you're ... bending the rules

flawr

You know, when I first heard the word moose I thought they were talking about this:

Until they started talking about hunting.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

@flawr THIS JUST IN: proof that swiss people are addicted to chocolate

quartata

Understandable mistake.

flawr

4:31 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No way, chocolate is just staple food.

quartata

Chocolate mousse is best moose

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr ah, okay

flawr

@quartata Agree! Also the most animal friendly.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr checks freezer do you want 2 gallons of chocolate ice cream that's been sitting here for a week

redstarcoder

@flawr my Swiss family loves chocolate. Specifically from Switzerland though, it's just better.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:32 PM

not sure how well you can mail chocolate though

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 2 gallons???

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's probably gonna take another 2 weeks. (at least)

Sherlock9

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Post offices don't like perishables

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:/ figured

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ quantum teleportation

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr yeah, my dad really likes chocolate ice cream

flawr

4:33 PM

@redstarcoder There is also very good german chocolate!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos "the ice cream is both in your freezer and in flawr's freezer until it is eaten"

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Haha=)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I personally think chocolate ice cream tastes awful, but I'm fine with chocolate in ice cream

like brownie pieces and chocolate chips

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's like schrödingers icecream, you don't know whether it is eaten until you open the freezer.

redstarcoder

@flawr Oh yeah! I love german chocolate too! I haven't tried very much of it though

flawr

4:34 PM

@redstarcoder I have a picture from an ad I saw in germany for you (just have to find it, 1 moment plz)

Kritixi Lithos

I like chocolate ice cream, it's my most favourite kind of ice cream

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

very grammar much wow

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ you have to combine it with lemon & stracciatella

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ehhh it's just not chocolate

idk what kind of chocolate ice cream you have, but this one doesn't taste anything like chocolate

redstarcoder

I actually don't like chocolate ice cream either

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:36 PM

:D

well, I'm outta here to eat cinnamon rolls with chocolate frosting

see y'all

redstarcoder

@flawr it's both been eaten and hasn't been eaten until you check!

Kritixi Lithos

redstarcoder

^^^ Bye!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr protip: orange/orange-flavored stuff goes well with chocolate

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't like that mix at all =/

(I love oranges, and I love chocolate, but not combined )

quartata

4:38 PM

In my opinion, there's no need to specify the boss's gender in this problem, nor the gender of your candidate. Defaulting to a boss/candidate being male is a symptom of our unconscious gender biases, which really do a lot of harm in STEM fields. — Greg Martin 11 hours ago

@Pavel called it

flawr

redstarcoder

I absolutely love orange with chocolate. 10/10

flawr

"Our contribution against an unbalanced diet."

quartata

although it wasn't on the issue that I suspected

Kritixi Lithos

@flawr Ritter Sport hazelnut flavour is my most favourite

Lynn

4:40 PM

@LuisMendo One thing I’ve learned about networking and telecom: the relevant section of Wikipedia is freakin’ abysmal.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr ah, okay

Lynn

So many stubs, so many errors, so many unclear explanations.

redstarcoder

@quartata I think it's ludicrous that anyone cares about the gender they chose their vague fictional character to be

quartata

@redstarcoder I mean, I don't disagree with the intent of the comment. My only point was that of course someone would complain about something in a politically themed challenge that hits HNQ.

redstarcoder

Especially in this context ...

Dennis

4:41 PM

@flawr That seems to be missing the sugar-less flavors or did they stop making those?

redstarcoder

@quartata yeah it's an entire other can of worms in politics, but yeah it would be the thing that'd happen

flawr

@Dennis I have no idea, perhaps they would not fit into a balanced diet.

Dennis

Hm, fair point.

flawr

I don't really know ritter sport chocolate, I just got them the very few times I've been to germany.

Kritixi Lithos

Ritter sport is also sold in Denmark (but it is cheaper in Germany)

Dennis

4:44 PM

Me neither. Finding food I remember fondly from Germany is a rare occurrence here. Haven't seen the sugar-less variety in quite some time, and I can't have sugar...

Lynn

@GregMartin this is obviously a reference to the past US election being allegedly rigged by Russian intelligence. While I also find it of bad taste, it targets specific people rather than specific genders, and the candidate gender being specified remembers us that there was a candidate of the other gender nominated to the election. Although I appreciate your efforts to fight sexism in the STEM fields, I don't think this stackexchange in general and this question in particular really needs to be involved. — Aaron 2 hours ago

“You can fight sexism in STEM, but actually please don’t bring it up if it’s off-topic” >_>

flawr

@Dennis Oh no, some sort of diabetes?

Dennis

Uh huh. Type 2 to be specific.

Lynn

(The big ol’ problem is it’s always off-topic. Or, in places where it’s on-topic, everyone’s already aware of these sexist biases! The only way to “fight sexism” is to talk about it in places it’s not being talked about yet. Shrug. I agree with Greg’s comment, too, of course.)

quartata

@Dennis :(

flawr

4:50 PM

@Dennis Do you like dark chocolate?

Sherlock9

Good point. However, off-topic discussion in the comments isn't great. We have a chat for a reason.

Dennis

@flawr I do. It's hard to find here though.

flawr

@Dennis Ah right, you live somewhere in south america IIRC, right?

Lynn

Uhh okay, “sexual dimorphism explains the gender gap in certain fields” has got to be the most thinly-veiled way to say “no, see, women are just too dumb for STEM leadership” I’ve ever seen

Sherlock9

@Lynn, can I ask you a question about one of the esoteric languages you used to work on?

Dennis

4:55 PM

Yep.

Lynn

Sure!

Pavel

@El'endiaStarman Sorry, won't happen again.

Lynn

If it’s gs2, I apologize in advance. :D

Sherlock9

Whatever happened to gs2?

Exactly :D

Lynn

I think it’s kind of a mess, oops. But it exists, as the weird hodge-podge of useless built-ins and bizarre syntax it is.

Pavel

4:57 PM

Is it on tio?

Lynn

It is!

Sherlock9

Yes, it is

Lynn

05AB1E/Jelly do everything I wanted to achieve with it, but far better

Anonymous

No love for Actually :(

mınxomaτ

Currently.

Dennis

4:58 PM

@Lynn I won't argue with that. I don't think calling the boss Vladimir is sexism though. It was supposed to hint that the boss is Russian, and all Greg's comment achieved was to start a conversation that will eventually have to be nuked by a mod.

Lynn

So I stopped working on it. It still has some useful quirks!

Pavel

Actually is hard to use.

flawr

@Lynn Where can we find it?

Anonymous

@Pavel It's not hard at all once you get used to the stack-based nature

Pavel

Pretty much every Actually program I've seen is just because it has a one-byte builtin for something 05AB1E and Jelly don't have.

Lynn

4:59 PM

github.com/nooodl/gs2

Sherlock9

Alright, the other thing I wanted to ask about is only tangentially related to gs2. Back when I was trying to learn it before I found PPCG, there was a guy in an IRC channel who helped me out. Username started with an m, but I don't remember more than that. Do you remember them?

quartata

mauris?

Anonymous

@Pavel Feel free to take a look through my answer history (and Sherlock9's, and quintopia's). There are a significant number of more-involved programs that we have written, that don't boil down to a one-byte builtin.

quartata

Because that's @Lynn :P

Lynn

Sounds like mitchs (skilled golfer who is far better at gs2 than me), or mauris (my old handle).

Pavel

5:01 PM

It might have to do with the fact that whenever I see a golfing language I get scared and go find something that's at least somewhat guaranteed to display properly.

Lynn

(mitchs is Mitch Schwartz on here)

Sherlock9

@Lynn mitchs! That was it!

Lynn

I don’t remember teaching anyone gs2 on IRC though, so—yeah

Sherlock9

I wasn't on the IRC very long

I was asking about writing the Josephus function in gs2 (typical early Sherlock9), and he gave me a piece of advice that actually fixed parts of my internal philosophy

I was asking "How would you write this" (i.e. Can you help write this for me) and he said (I'm paraphrasing) "Half the fun of golfing is in figuring it out yourself"

Martin Ender

@orlp are you watching the Ori run?

Lynn

5:04 PM

@Dennis Oh, I didn’t see the question before the name got edited out (I think maybe Greg didn’t either?)

Sherlock9

That's been my philosophy to programming ever since

Anyway, thanks for the help. I don't think I've ever seen a Mitch Schwartz in TNB, but I'll try to thank him if he shows up.

Dennis

@Lynn No, the name is the reason Greg posted that comment.

Martin Ender

oh, the run got moved up by an hour. guess I'll have to watch the recording in a bit then

ASCII-only

@Sherlock9 He's (was?) in here quite often, he's still in the ping list so you can ping him if you want

Sherlock9

@MitchSchwartz Thanks for the advice! See the above messages for the story. Have a good day :D

Lynn

5:08 PM

Mitch Schwartz, Realm of Existence

3.6k 12 19

code-golf string math array-manipulation decision-problem fastest-code ascii-art

Sherlock9

Ah, thanks!

Rainbolt

I need your help solving one of the hardest problems in programming: naming something. I have a function that inserts a date into a list if and only if the date does not match this other date. The two dates and the list are provided as arguments. I need names for the dates. The best I've come up so far is "toBeInsertedIfNoMatch" and "toBeMtachedAgainst" which is pretty awful but gets the point across.

El'endia Starman

dateToInsert and excludedDate?

flawr

dataIntoListOnlyIfDateDoesNotMatchDateInsert()

El'endia Starman

Or excludedDate, perhaps.

flawr

5:17 PM

@El'endiaStarman I just saw this vid and you might enjoy it!

betseg

> This video is not available

ಠ_ಠ

TuxCopter

> IF IT'S NOT WORKING ON A MOBILE DEVICE, TRY A COMPUTER.

Anonymous

@flawr That doesn't seem verbose enough

flawr

class DataIntoListOnlyIfDateDoesNotMatchDateInsert implements DataIntoListOnlyIfDateDoesNotMatchDateInsertFactory

betseg

Aug 18 '16 at 18:06, by Releasing Helium Nuclei

> PowerShellAssemblyLoadContextInitializer.InitializeAndCallEntryMethod()

PowerShell is more verbose

Rainbolt

5:27 PM

When did you guys become so verbose? It's not like you...

Anonymous

@Rainbolt For sarcasm purposes

betseg

Code golf right?

flawr

We have to have some place to realease all the unneccessary verbosity that we usually suppress when golfing.

It's just for our mental health.

Anonymous

Like a pressure release valve

Anonymous

Where the pressure is caused by loads of saved bytes

Pavel

5:30 PM

Still less verbose than org.apache.commons.lang3.text.translate.UnicodeUnpairedSurrogateRemover

Kritixi Lithos

I wonder how many bytes the whole PPCG community has saved in golfing

TuxCopter

A lot

Luis Mendo

@Lynn When I studied Telecomm Engineering it was 6 years, tightly packed :-)

Lynn

What exactly was 6 years?

Luis Mendo

@Lynn The university studies. Engineering is (or used to be) 6 years in Spain

Lynn

5:34 PM

Ahh, yes

Luis Mendo

You study computing , right? So I assume you only have some general courses on telecomm

Lynn

Yeah, one, very general, very bad course :(

It tries to cover lots of topics, and as a result, does a poor job covering any topic

Pavel

I wonder, if you took every submission on PPCG, excluded the ones that just say "too long to fit here, but it's a billion of any character in lenguage," how much disk space would it take up?

Luis Mendo

@Lynn Yeah, that happens

I did have some general courses in programming and computer architecture. I must say, really good ones. Except we were taught Modula-2 as programming language

TuxCopter

taught*

Luis Mendo

5:35 PM

Now they teach Java

Lynn

I’m drowning in acronyms too, haha

Luis Mendo

@TuxCopter Thanks, corrected :-)

Anonymous

@Lynn Make sure to say ALOHA to your professor

Anonymous

If their eye starts twitching or they get a 1000-yard-stare going, you did good

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

how do I match a string followed by anything but another string with regex? i.e. match "xyz<any 3 char string that isn't abc>"

Luis Mendo

5:36 PM

Yes, telecom people love acronyms. Sometimes the same acronym ends up with two differente meanings :-)

Lynn

Hahaha

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You can do it using negative lookaheads: xyz(?!abc)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

epic, thanks

Wheat Wizard

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ [a-zA-Z]{3}(?![^a-zA-z]{3})

flawr

@LuisMendo Mathematicians hate acronyms. Thats why they use words of the everyday language in a totally different context with a totally different meaning. That is way better than using those cryptic acronyms.

orlp

5:39 PM

@MartinEnder nope, was sleeping

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@WheatWizard ah, a generalization

thanks

both help

orlp

@flawr clopen set says hi

Lynn

@flawr I mean, I agree with them… I can memorize words far easier than acronyms

Martin Ender

@orlp I'm like halfway through now. it's really entertaining but I also just played Ori last week, so I'm not sure how interesting it is if you haven't played it (it's a reverse event order run)

Pavel

Yeah, fuck acronyms.

Luis Mendo

5:40 PM

@flawr "Mathematics is the science that uses easy words for hard ideas." -- Edward Kasner"

flawr

@Lynn Hm that is an interesting thought.

orlp

@MartinEnder I've seen that before

flawr

I could imagine that this is true for many people, but I've never thoughta bout it that way.

Luis Mendo

@Lynn Nah, you get used to acronyms. They are just words, only golfier

Lynn

I may or may not have been mentally pronouncing GPRS as jeepers

What amuses me in mathematics is the abundance of words for “a bunch of things, like, together, y’know”

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Luis Mendo

5:42 PM

@Lynn In Spain, when speaking in English, people tend to mispronounce GSM like GCM. I hate it

Anonymous

@Lynn "but not too much together, that's something else entirely"

Luis Mendo

@Lynn Like set, collection, family etc? Well, sets are literally the foundations of Mathematics, so no surprise they go by different names

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Pavel dude, chill on the language and hate please

Luis Mendo

Or at least abbreviate: YFA

Lynn

Yeah. And group, class, bag, bundle… there’s probably more

flawr

5:46 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I fist put a mental comma in the wrong place, and was very confused.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ha lol

@Pavel you're going to get flagged again

@flawr #justmentalcommaproblems

Lynn

I guess often you come up with a structure and have no clue what to call it and then you get nice terms like Building (mathematics)

orlp

@Lynn when the together things has some order or structure you get graphs, trees, dictionaries, mappings, etc

Anonymous

@Lynn The first sentence of that article is 70% nonsense to me

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> building (also Tits building, Bruhat–Tits building, named after François Bruhat and Jacques Tits)

flawr

5:48 PM

I think many of those words might appear as synonyms, but I think many of them are used to express a different things.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that's a very creative name

Lynn

“An n-dimensional building X is an abstract simplicial complex which is a union of subcomplexes A called apartments such that…”

What an analogy. Oh god, there’s chamber too.

flawr

@Lynn I'm not sure if it is the same in english, but I also like the map / atlas combination in differential geometry:)

Lynn

Ah, yeah, I’ve seen those terms (but I have no clue what they mean)

flawr

Simplified: A map is something that "maps" a subset of R^n to a subset of a (possibly) more complicated structure in R^m

with some "nice" properties

And if you want to cover this whole structure, you need multiple maps

i.e. an atlas. (for instance you can smoothly parametrize a sphere locally with a piece of R^2, but not the whole sphere, so you need multiple parametrizations)

Lynn

5:52 PM

@LuisMendo Come on, the word “station” was too long and you had to call them STA?!? :)

Anonymous

I swear, mathematicians put more emphasis on being "clever" than coming up with useful names for things

Luis Mendo

@Lynn I didn't know that one. But yes, sometimes the over-acronymize things. Like the OSI layers: RLC, MAC,... The now call the pyisical layer "PHY" (?!)

Lynn

A ring without identity is sometimes called a “rng” cause it lacks the i-dentity

Pronounced “rung”

Yep, we write PHY.

El'endia Starman

@Lynn That's probably one of my favorites. :P

flawr

@Lynn Haha, so cool, I've never actually seen this one=)

orlp

5:54 PM

@LuisMendo PHY stands for PHY Happy Yay!

Luis Mendo