The Nineteenth Byte

TùxCräftîñg

11:00 AM

(for example utf-8 as encoding)

Destructible Watermelon

code .en code (en cod ing)

such rendundacy

wow

also not working

TùxCräftîñg

o_O

Destructible Watermelon

code doesn't have encoding

TùxCräftîñg

>>> len("é".encode("utf-8"))
2
>>> len("ᴇ".encode("utf-8"))
1
>>> len("ಠ".encode("utf-8"))
1

wot

python iz borked

Destructible Watermelon

oh, that is what you meant

mınxomaτ

11:04 AM

Also recent news: The IoT botnet that made even Akamai sweat (600Gbps) now clocks in at over 1Tbps.

Instead of Google or Akamai, it hit OVH's infrastructure this time.

Destructible Watermelon

also, how do I make a codepage like jelly's, where chr(255) is one byte?

how do I even just use jelly's codepage

TùxCräftîñg

jelly_chr=lambda n:jelly_codepage[n]

jelly_ord=lambda c:jelly_codepage.index(c)

where jelly_codepage is a string with the jelly codepage

code_page  = '''¡¢£¤¥¦©¬®µ½¿€ÆÇÐÑ×ØŒÞßæçðıȷñ÷øœþ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~¶'''
code_page += '''°¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁺⁻⁼⁽⁾ƁƇƊƑƓƘⱮƝƤƬƲȤɓƈɗƒɠɦƙɱɲƥʠɼʂƭʋȥẠḄḌẸḤỊḲḶṂṆỌṚṢṬỤṾẈỴẒȦḂĊḊĖḞĠḢİĿṀṄȮṖṘṠṪẆẊẎŻạḅḍẹḥịḳḷṃṇọṛṣṭụṿẉỵẓȧḃċḋėḟġḣŀṁṅȯṗṙṡṫẇẋẏż«»‘’“”'''

@DestructibleWatermelon

Destructible Watermelon

yeah, how to make a file that has the damn numbers you are using

TùxCräftîñg

hex editor/write a small utility to encode/decode files

Destructible Watermelon

...

TùxCräftîñg

11:07 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

gtg

Sp3000

The fun part about polyglotting this challenge is getting... things... to... compile...

Destructible Watermelon

I really want to know how to use 256 possible chars

Sp3000

I think if you use codecs.open(..., encoding='latin1') that might work (after importing codecs)

Destructible Watermelon

is it bad form to ping someone while they aren't here for advice

specifically Dennis so I can ask how he does it?

Sp3000

It should be fine, if you understand that you'll need to wait for an answer

Destructible Watermelon

11:18 AM

yeah, I know that

@Dennis, could you give me advice about how to make a codepage like jelly's, that has one byte per char (with 256 possible chars)?

TùxCräftîñg

bck

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleWatermelon Called Koopá'd

With an accent

Or just like Koopád

Maybe Kappád for more meme points?

TùxCräftîñg

^

κappád < even better

betseg

Call it BS

Like my username

if i get 10 more updoots i will have 1337 rep

mınxomaτ

Found my new hobby: SDaaS - Sarcastic Developer as a Service.

Qwerp-Derp

11:34 AM

@TùxCräftîñg Why

TùxCräftîñg

cuz the first letter is a greek kappa

Qwerp-Derp

Oh yeah

But I was thinking of this Kappa

hang on

TùxCräftîñg

ik

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ Wait people will pay for that?

mınxomaτ

@Mego Nothing. They get the service if they want or not and I get to keep all the fun.

Qwerp-Derp

11:38 AM

@TùxCräftîñg Ah...

betseg

devnull-as-a-service.com

Qwerp-Derp

@mınxomaτ So, give us a rundown of SDaaS.

TùxCräftîñg

@betseg wtf

Anonymous

:(

Anonymous

I'd like to be paid for my sarcastic remarks

mınxomaτ

11:39 AM

@Mego Well, Linus seems to be the SDaaS expert.

Qwerp-Derp

"Hello, this is SDaaS. How can I help your VERY important issues?"

"Uh, yeah... your issue DEFINITELY requires URGENT help."

mınxomaτ

Sure your call is important. puts in queue again

betseg

^^^^

mınxomaτ

I'm inclined to pull a Linus every time a particularly idiotic Issue is opened on GitHub.

TùxCräftîñg

devnull-as-a-service.com/one-less-to-go.sh

o_O

Qwerp-Derp

11:41 AM

Just out of curiosity... how do you guys think a question about Jelly/{insert obscure golfy lang here} code on SO/Code Review will be received?

TùxCräftîñg

> wtf iz dis lang

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp aaJ (as a Joke)

Qwerp-Derp

@TùxCräftîñg "It's not even ASCII! What is this, I don't understand"

TùxCräftîñg

lol

Qwerp-Derp

Should I give 50 rep to whoever puts up a Jelly/Jolf/Golfy Lang question on Code Review for the giggles?

TùxCräftîñg

11:45 AM

huh

XY+Z* => (X*Z)+(Y*Z)

Fatalize

@Qwerp-Derp There has been questions on LOLCODE and Brainfuck on CodeReview iirc

Qwerp-Derp

@Fatalize But those languages are Mainstream...

TùxCräftîñg

yes, but 'questions asking about golfed code are off-topic'

Qwerp-Derp

I want a question for like non-golfed Jelly code

And see how they fare

TùxCräftîñg

and i dont know how to not golf in jelly lol

Fatalize

11:47 AM

I don't even know if you can e.g. indent code in Jelly

TùxCräftîñg

there is no tab in the codepage

and space is a operator

Qwerp-Derp

What about CJam or Pyth?

Fatalize

@Qwerp-Derp No, because this will incite people to ask useless questions on CR just for reputation

Qwerp-Derp

LOL, true

But just for the kicks, should I put up 50 rep for the first person to post a valid question about CJam/Pyth/Jelly/whatever on Code Review that gets positive rep?

TùxCräftîñg

thhis is not the purpose of bounties

and no

Qwerp-Derp

11:53 AM

:(

OK...

Now, back to Gitbook... do any of you guys know how to put custom syntax highlighting into Gitbook?

mınxomaτ

AFAIk you would need to get your language into highlight.js

Qwerp-Derp

What, like actually make a PR?

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp highlightjs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/language-requests.html

Qwerp-Derp

Ah.

But like, other than me, no one uses Logicode at all.

mınxomaτ

Then you have to write the implementation.

Qwerp-Derp

11:56 AM

It seems, kinda... unnecessary.

mınxomaτ

The link above leads explains that very well.

Qwerp-Derp

Yeah, true

mınxomaτ

Well, if you want it. If not, why ask? I didn't expect anyone to have a LC plugin ready to go either.

TùxCräftîñg

sy.rb:75:in `proc': tried to create Proc object without a block (ArgumentError)

monadic_s proc do |a|

@Ruby u dont see the block?

mınxomaτ

IMO languages defs for highlight are pretty easy (certainly easier than the codemirror defs).

I don't get why more of these JS highlight things use CJSSHS. Sure it's terribly convoluted and confusing to no end, but pretty easy to write.

Anonymous

12:01 PM

> terribly convoluted and confusing to no end ... easy to write

Anonymous

Those things don't go together

mınxomaτ

Once you've used it, you'd understand.

It's like sneezing a bunch of RegEx into a JS file and it magically works.

Qwerp-Derp

So, do I just clone highlight.js in to my laptop, make a syntax highlighter, test it out on my laptop, and if it works, put it in, and then do a PR?

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp Read the checklist: highlightjs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/language-contribution.html

Anonymous

But then you have 2 problems

mınxomaτ

12:03 PM

It tells you step by step how to contribute. Linked at the end of the lang def docs, which you should read in full.

Anonymous

I actually have no interest in creating a syntax highlighter for any of my languages. Seriously and Actually would not benefit from syntax highlighting.

Anonymous

The only possible benefit would be highlighting strings

Fatalize

Brachylog would

I just requested syntax highlighting in TryItOnline :p

Anonymous

I think my next project for Actually will be a Python-targetting compiler

Fatalize

Actually, what about that new code page?

Anonymous

12:11 PM

Hmm?

Anonymous

Oh, the custom code page with actual mnemonics?

Anonymous

That's going to be a long way off :)

Fatalize

yeah that one

Because the box symbols don't seem very good for mnemonics

Qwerp-Derp

So wait

@mınxomaτ Do I make a JSON object for highlight.js? Or what?

TùxCräftîñg

XY*f function taking 2 arguments and returning it product

Anonymous

12:16 PM

On the other hand, I have no idea what symbols would be better :P Maybe emojis

Fatalize

"emojis" please no

TùxCräftîñg

^

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp I don't know what you want. The docs are comprehensive.

Anonymous

Anyone see any problems with this challenge that need fixing before I post it to main?

mınxomaτ

The lang def page tells you the object format, the checklist tells you how to wrap it.

There is no "just" though. They expect a certain quality.

Fatalize

12:18 PM

@Mego Seems fine to me.

mınxomaτ

Example for a successful contribution: github.com/isagalaev/highlight.js/pull/1307

Qwerp-Derp

@mınxomaτ Ah, thanks!

TùxCräftîñg

flix.github.io interesting lang

Qwerp-Derp

Argh, I don't know any of the builtins

mınxomaτ

Then you probably shouldn't do this.

Anonymous

12:26 PM

@mınxomaτ That lang's site fails one of the biggest rules of site design: don't add images unless they are relevant

mınxomaτ

@Mego Yeah, I cringed a bit when I saw the site.

Fatalize

Path(x, y) :- Edge(x, y).
Path(x, z) :- Path(x, y), Edge(y, z).

Anonymous

I expected to see generic statements about synergy and workflow optimization, not a programming language overview

Fatalize

Looks really close to Prolog

Anonymous

@Fatalize There's a reason for that :P It's exactly Prolog's syntax

Fatalize

12:28 PM

Not exactly

TùxCräftîñg

> A logic and functional programming language for the implementation of static analyses.

mınxomaτ

I'd rather have a table-styled HTML page if it means more info about the lang per screen cm².

Fatalize

In Prolog things that start with a capital letter are variables

TùxCräftîñg

every logic lang have near the same syntax

Anonymous

True

Anonymous

12:29 PM

I forgot about that from the very quick intro to Prolog I had 2 years ago :P

Fatalize

Seems like it's the complete opposite here for some reason

Anonymous

Probably because it inherits from the functional side of the language :P

Anonymous

Should I post the golfed version of my challenge's reference implementation as an answer? Golfing it is very trivial.

Fatalize

as an answer?

Anonymous

Yeah

mınxomaτ

12:33 PM

Well, I wouldn't expect upvotes for that.

Anonymous

Golfing the reference implementation solely consists of removing whitespace,shortening variable names, and converting it to a lambda

Qwerp-Derp

@Fatalize Is Flix basically the same as Prolog?

Urgh all the images

Fatalize

@Qwerp-Derp No. I was just reading quickly the paper that introduces the language

Qwerp-Derp

Oh

Fatalize

"FLIX is less expressive than Prolog, but ensures that every program terminates"

betseg

12:41 PM

@bot plz post the question

Fatalize

Flix is basically Datalog + some functional stuff

and Datalog is a subset of Prolog

betseg

@bot where r u

TùxCräftîñg

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Q: Multiple-Key Sorting

Given a list of indices and zero or more lists of integers, output the lists of integers, sorted in ascending order, with the key priority from the first input. Example Let the keys input be [1, 0, 2], and the lists input be [[5, 3, 4], [6, 2, 1], [5, 2, 1]]. Those lists need to be sorted by th...

Anonymous

@TùxCräftîñg That's entirely unnecessary. We have a feed for that (though it seems to be running slowly right now). I can't fathom what would cause you to read this and somehow think that other people's posts are exempt from the "It already has, or soon will be posted by one of the feeds in the room" guideline.

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betseg

12:57 PM

Reading Martin's comment, i think i can promote this

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A: When was this language released?

5 years #define q/*-[>+<-----]>--.++++++++..------.[-][ print('2015'if len(pow.__doc__)==157else'2010');a="""*/ main(c){c=-4.5//**/ -4.5;printf("19%d",90-c);} #define w/*] */""" 1989 and 1999: C89 and C99 The single line comment // was added in C99, so a C89 compiler would read that code as c...

Look at C comments and Python docstrings, i haven't seen this before.

TùxCräftîñg

@betseg you can save 1 byte by using the docstring of len codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/94823/53745

El'endia Starman

@Mego Agreed.

mınxomaτ

"The Night Manager" is really amazing.

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg i didn't want to copy him and wanted to do something quickly, so i selected pow

TùxCräftîñg

k

betseg

1:11 PM

Using bin.__doc__ now, saving a byte. Since this isn't code-golf i won't thank you on the answer muhahahahahaha

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Insert Random Squares Here graphical-outputrandomcode-golfRelated challenges. < Insert sales pitch here > The Challenge Given a width and a height, output an image filled with random squares. Input Your program/function is given a width and a height in pixels. E.g.: yourProgram <width> <h...

;_;

Wat

^

Caching?

1:16 PM

No, clearly he started the quarter with negative 11 reputation

betseg

@trichoplax then why not 10?

Rainbolt

Are you asking how it is possible to gain 11 rep?

Because there are many ways to do that

Answer upvote + undownvote

betseg

Noting in the history makes 11

Rainbolt

Get accepted answer, then get two downvotes on a question

@betseg Right, but your history is probably current, and the screenshot you took a few messages ago definitely is not current. It's reporting your quarter reputation from some time ago.

betseg

> 1,177 all time reputation

Yup. Caching.

TimmyD

1:23 PM

Diggity dang. The multiple key sorting is something that PowerShell is actually good at, but it doesn't seem to be working how I want it to.

TùxCräftîñg

Sy> P
π
Sy> Pv
3.141592653589793

symbolic calculation ftw... ?

Rainbolt

@MartinEnder Is "biro" really the common name in the UK for a what we call a "ballpoint pen" in the US?

The Google doodle for the day made me wonder

betseg

Where are you? I don't have a doodle

Rainbolt

I'm in the US

TùxCräftîñg

i also have it in france

Martin Ender

1:31 PM

@Rainbolt I think so. It's the word we learned in school. I can't actually say whether that word is commonly used in the UK. I think most of time people just use the very unspecific word "pen" unless you're talking about a specific type of pen (and I don't think I've had that sort of conversation...).

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